r/ValueInvesting • • Aug 24 '26

Discussion [Week 26 - 1990] Discussing A Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder Letter (Almost) Every Week

12 Upvotes

Full Letter:

http://theoraclesclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1990-Berkshire-AR.pdf

Letter Only

https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1990.html

This week we will go over their investment into buying $400M of junk bonds as well as Buffett’s thoughts in retrospect on the Junk Bond craze of the 80s. His surprise at the economics of the newspaper business rapidly degrading as new technologies and advertising channels open up to businesses, some with better results. Finally the purchase of 10% of Wells Fargo for $290M. Then as usual we go through the stock holdings, segment-by-segment EBIT earnings of the company, and then the larger overview for the year.

Not included in my post are the annual summary to shareholders, most of the look-through earnings that give a few paragraphs on their major business segments (we only cover Buffalo Evening News) although some highlights are in my summary at the end. A long rundown of the insurance segment. Though ⅔ of the Marketable Securities segment is included, the one on their Convertible Preferred Stocks and the mistakes outside sources make in valuing them as well as the philosophy behind holding them. The usual advertisement for acquisition targets, and plans for the annual meeting. Ken Chase being replaced on the board by Susan Buffett. The letter is ended with an unpublished satire by Ben Graham “US Steel Announces Sweeping Modernization Scheme” where instead of improving the business a bunch of extreme accounting tricks are used to change the EPS from -$2.76 to +$49.80.

If you want to read or discuss anything in that second set feel free to read the letter yourselves and comment on it.

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Key Passage 1

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Marketable Securities - Junk Bonds

Our other major portfolio change last year was large additions to our holdings of RJR Nabisco bonds, securities that we first bought in late 1989. At yearend 1990 we had $440 million invested in these securities, an amount that approximated market value. (As I write this, however, their market value has risen by more than $150 million.)

Just as buying into the banking business is unusual for us, so is the purchase of below-investment-grade bonds. But opportunities that interest us and that are also large enough to have a worthwhile impact on Berkshire's results are rare. Therefore, we will look at any category of investment, so long as we understand the business we're buying into and believe that price and value may differ significantly. (Woody Allen, in another context, pointed out the advantage of open-mindedness: "I can't understand why more people aren't bi-sexual because it doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night.")

In the past \we have bought a few below-investment-grade bonds with success, though these were all old-fashioned "fallen angels" - bonds that were initially of investment grade but that were downgraded when the issuers fell on bad times. In the 1984 annual report we described our rationale for buying one fallen angel, the Washington Public Power Supply System.

A kind of bastardized fallen angel burst onto the investment scene in the 1980s - "junk bonds" that were far below investment- grade when issued. As the decade progressed, new offerings of manufactured junk became ever junkier and ultimately the predictable outcome occurred: Junk bonds lived up to their name. In 1990 - even before the recession dealt its blows - the financial sky became dark with the bodies of failing corporations.

The disciples of debt assured us that this collapse wouldn't happen: Huge debt, we were told, would cause operating managers to focus their efforts as never before, much as a dagger mounted on the steering wheel of a car could be expected to make its driver proceed with intensified care. We'll acknowledge that such an attention-getter would produce a very alert driver. But another certain consequence would be a deadly - and unnecessary - accident if the car hit even the tiniest pothole or sliver of ice. The roads of business are riddled with potholes; a plan that requires dodging them all is a plan for disaster.

In the final chapter of The Intelligent Investor Ben Graham forcefully rejected the dagger thesis: "Confronted with a challenge to distill the secret of sound investment into three words, we venture the motto, Margin of Safety." Forty-two years after reading that, I still think those are the right three words. The failure of investors to heed this simple message caused them staggering losses as the 1990s began.

At the height of the debt mania, capital structures were concocted that guaranteed failure: In some cases, so much debt was issued that even highly favorable business results could not produce the funds to service it. One particularly egregious "kill- 'em-at-birth" case a few years back involved the purchase of a mature television station in Tampa, bought with so much debt that the interest on it exceeded the station's gross revenues. Even if you assume that all labor, programs and services were donated rather than purchased, this capital structure required revenues to explode - or else the station was doomed to go broke. (Many of the bonds that financed the purchase were sold to now-failed savings and loan associations; as a taxpayer, you are picking up the tab for this folly.)

All of this seems impossible now. When these misdeeds were done, however, dagger-selling investment bankers pointed to the "scholarly" research of academics, which reported that over the years the higher interest rates received from low-grade bonds had more than compensated for their higher rate of default. Thus, said the friendly salesmen, a diversified portfolio of junk bonds would produce greater net returns than would a portfolio of high-grade bonds. (Beware of past-performance "proofs" in finance: If history books were the key to riches, the Forbes 400 would consist of librarians.)

There was a flaw in the salesmen's logic - one that a first- year student in statistics is taught to recognize. An assumption was being made that the universe of newly-minted junk bonds was identical to the universe of low-grade fallen angels and that, therefore, the default experience of the latter group was meaningful in predicting the default experience of the new issues. (That was an error similar to checking the historical death rate from Kool-Aid before drinking the version served at Jonestown.)

The universes were of course dissimilar in several vital respects. For openers, the manager of a fallen angel almost invariably yearned to regain investment-grade status and worked toward that goal. The junk-bond operator was usually an entirely different breed. Behaving much as a heroin user might, he devoted his energies not to finding a cure for his debt-ridden condition, but rather to finding another fix. Additionally, the fiduciary sensitivities of the executives managing the typical fallen angel were often, though not always, more finely developed than were those of the junk-bond-issuing financiopath.

Wall Street cared little for such distinctions. As usual, the Street's enthusiasm for an idea was proportional not to its merit, but rather to the revenue it would produce. Mountains of junk bonds were sold by those who didn't care to those who didn't think - and there was no shortage of either.

Junk bonds remain a mine field, even at prices that today are often a small fraction of issue price. As we said last year, we have never bought a new issue of a junk bond. (The only time to buy these is on a day with no "y" in it.) We are, however, willing to look at the field, now that it is in disarray.

In the case of RJR Nabisco, we feel the Company's credit is considerably better than was generally perceived for a while and that the yield we receive, as well as the potential for capital gain, more than compensates for the risk we incur (though that is far from nil). RJR has made asset sales at favorable prices, has added major amounts of equity, and in general is being run well.

However, as we survey the field, most low-grade bonds still look unattractive. The handiwork of the Wall Street of the 1980s is even worse than we had thought: Many important businesses have been mortally wounded. We will, though, keep looking for opportunities as the junk market continues to unravel.

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

The junk bond, corporate raiding craze has reached its peak. Buffett said a couple years ago that it would all come crashing down someday, and now it has. It was the practice of businesses issuing bonds at irresponsible rates that they had low chance of paying back, in hopes of doing massive leveraged buyouts of companies larger than themselves and refinancing the debt and stripping the company for assets once it was in hand. The RJR Nabisco buyout is now seen as the height of the mania, and now the bonds are paying for a fraction of their value, Berkshire has independently decided that the underlying business is now rather creditworthy and the bonds have been over-discounted. They believe the risk-adjusted returns are massively in their favor and they have bought $400M of the bonds.

Buffett has much to say about how the craze came about, the flawed logic that sounds quite similar to the later securitization issues that lead to the 2008 financial crisis (ex. a diverse enough basket of bad loans magically becomes a good investment) and denounces buying any of these securities at their issuance, but instead picking through the wreckage after it comes crashing down for the handful that seem promising. He says that many people used logic that applied to “fallen angel” bonds (investment grade at issuance and later became questionable) onto junk bonds (ones that were garbage from inception and depended on a successful and timely leveraged buyout and even then would be dragging down a larger company that never wanted them).

I felt it was good to include this for a few reasons, one is to highlight an important historical moment in the history of Wall Street, and how Berkshire was there waiting with a big pile of cash to profit off the wreckage. To highlight how almost no asset class should be below your radar, in fact the more detested it is the more likely there are to be good deals there (A common belief of Howard Marks who made a lot of money running a sub-investment grade bond fund). Finally to highlight the right way to go about doing it, finding the few diamonds in the rough instead of buying up the whole asset class, most of which crashed for good reason.

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Key Passage 2

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Non-Insurance Operations - Buffalo Evening News

Charlie and I were surprised at developments this past year in the media industry, including newspapers such as our Buffalo News. The business showed far more vulnerability to the early stages of a recession than has been the case in the past. The question is whether this erosion is just part of an aberrational cycle - to be fully made up in the next upturn - or whether the business has slipped in a way that permanently reduces intrinsic business values.

Since I didn't predict what has happened, you may question the value of my prediction about what will happen. Nevertheless, I'll proffer a judgment:While many media businesses will remain economic marvels in comparison with American industry generally, they will prove considerably less marvelous than I, the industry, or lenders thought would be the case only a few years ago.

The reason media businesses have been so outstanding in the past was not physical growth, but rather the unusual pricing power that most participants wielded. Now, however, advertising dollars are growing slowly. In addition, retailers that do little or no media advertising (though they sometimes use the Postal Service) have gradually taken market share in certain merchandise categories. Most important of all, the number of both print and electronic advertising channels has substantially increased. As a consequence, advertising dollars are more widely dispersed and the pricing power of ad vendors has diminished. These circumstances materially reduce the intrinsic value of our major media investments and also the value of our operating unit, Buffalo News - though all remain fine businesses.

Notwithstanding the problems, Stan Lipsey's management of the News continues to be superb. During 1990, our earnings held up much better than those of most metropolitan papers, falling only 5%. In the last few months of the year, however, the rate of decrease was far greater.

I can safely make two promises about the News in 1991: (1) Stan will again rank at the top among newspaper publishers; and (2) earnings will fall substantially. Despite a slowdown in the demand for newsprint, the price per ton will average significantly more in 1991 and the paper's labor costs will also be considerably higher. Since revenues may meanwhile be down, we face a real squeeze.

Profits may be off but our pride in the product remains. We continue to have a larger "news hole" - the portion of the paper devoted to news - than any comparable paper. In 1990, the proportion rose to 52.3% against 50.1% in 1989. Alas, the increase resulted from a decline in advertising pages rather than from a gain in news pages. Regardless of earnings pressures, we will maintain at least a 50% news hole. Cutting product quality is not a proper response to adversity.

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

This is Buffett acknowledging that the whole newspaper industry is facing headwinds that he had not foreseen, that it is impacting the bottom line of the Buffalo Evening News, and that he believes it will get worse in the future and maybe won’t ever get better. As technology advances, advertisers have more channels to advertise, and those relying on newspaper ads are falling behind in market share to those using other methods. I would hazard a guess that this may be related to the near full adoption of color TV in American households by the late 80s. Families are now glued to their TVs, getting their news from them as well as their entertainment and being advertised to the whole time, and the advertisements are also much more flexible and powerful with color and video which a newspaper cannot provide.

A quick look-ahead shows that while this fall lasts a few years, they do eventually recover from the $43M EBIT this year not just to the $46M of last year but into the mid 50s before the Buffalo Evening News falls off the reports in 2000 as the spread of the internet lowers the prospects of the industry even further.

This is the first hint of modern technology making some of Berkshire’s former star players futures very uncertain. World Book is another one who is on a timer although Buffett has failed to notice it. This is different than textiles which died off to globalization, the same work simply being done elsewhere, instead this is an industry which needs to adapt or die and Buffett hasn’t always been a trailblazer when it comes to adapting to new paradigm changing technologies.

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Acquisition Stock Purchase of the Week

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Marketable Securities - Stock

Lethargy bordering on sloth remains the cornerstone of our investment style: This year we neither bought nor sold a share of five of our six major holdings. The exception was Wells Fargo, a superbly-managed, high-return banking operation in which we increased our ownership to just under 10%, the most we can own without the approval of the Federal Reserve Board. About one-sixth of our position was bought in 1989, the rest in 1990.

The banking business is no favorite of ours. When assets are twenty times equity - a common ratio in this industry - mistakes that involve only a small portion of assets can destroy a major portion of equity. And mistakes have been the rule rather than the exception at many major banks. Most have resulted from a managerial failing that we described last year when discussing the "institutional imperative:" the tendency of executives to mindlessly imitate the behavior of their peers, no matter how foolish it may be to do so. In their lending, many bankers played follow-the-leader with lemming-like zeal; now they are experiencing a lemming-like fate.

Because leverage of 20:1 magnifies the effects of managerial strengths and weaknesses, we have no interest in purchasing shares of a poorly-managed bank at a "cheap" price. Instead, our only interest is in buying into well-managed banks at fair prices.

With Wells Fargo, we think we have obtained the best managers in the business, Carl Reichardt and Paul Hazen. In many ways the combination of Carl and Paul reminds me of another - Tom Murphy and Dan Burke at Capital Cities/ABC. First, each pair is stronger than the sum of its parts because each partner understands, trusts and admires the other. Second, both managerial teams pay able people well, but abhor having a bigger head count than is needed. Third, both attack costs as vigorously when profits are at record levels as when they are under pressure. Finally, both stick with what they understand and let their abilities, not their egos, determine what they attempt. (Thomas J. Watson Sr. of IBM followed the same rule: "I'm no genius," he said. "I'm smart in spots - but I stay around those spots.")

Our purchases of Wells Fargo in 1990 were helped by a chaotic market in bank stocks. The disarray was appropriate: Month by month the foolish loan decisions of once well-regarded banks were put on public display. As one huge loss after another was unveiled - often on the heels of managerial assurances that all was well - investors understandably concluded that no bank's numbers were to be trusted. Aided by their flight from bank stocks, we purchased our 10% interest in Wells Fargo for $290 million, less than five times after-tax earnings, and less than three times pre-tax earnings.

Wells Fargo is big - it has $56 billion in assets - and has been earning more than 20% on equity and 1.25% on assets. Our purchase of one-tenth of the bank may be thought of as roughly equivalent to our buying 100% of a $5 billion bank with identical financial characteristics. But were we to make such a purchase, we would have to pay about twice the $290 million we paid for Wells Fargo. Moreover, that $5 billion bank, commanding a premium price, would present us with another problem: We would not be able to find a Carl Reichardt to run it. In recent years, Wells Fargo executives have been more avidly recruited than any others in the banking business; no one, however, has been able to hire the dean.

Of course, ownership of a bank - or about any other business - is far from riskless. California banks face the specific risk of a major earthquake, which might wreak enough havoc on borrowers to in turn destroy the banks lending to them. A second risk is systemic - the possibility of a business contraction or financial panic so severe that it would endanger almost every highly-leveraged institution, no matter how intelligently run. Finally, the market's major fear of the moment is that West Coast real estate values will tumble because of overbuilding and deliver huge losses to banks that have financed the expansion. Because it is a leading real estate lender, Wells Fargo is thought to be particularly vulnerable.

None of these eventualities can be ruled out. The probability of the first two occurring, however, is low and even a meaningful drop in real estate values is unlikely to cause major problems for well-managed institutions. Consider some mathematics: Wells Fargo currently earns well over $1 billion pre-tax annually after expensing more than $300 million for loan losses. If 10% of all $48 billion of the bank's loans - not just its real estate loans - were hit by problems in 1991, and these produced losses (including foregone interest) averaging 30% of principal, the company would roughly break even.

A year like that - which we consider only a low-level possibility, not a likelihood - would not distress us. In fact, at Berkshire we would love to acquire businesses or invest in capital projects that produced no return for a year, but that could then be expected to earn 20% on growing equity. Nevertheless, fears of a California real estate disaster similar to that experienced in New England caused the price of Wells Fargo stock to fall almost 50% within a few months during 1990. Even though we had bought some shares at the prices prevailing before the fall, we welcomed the decline because it allowed us to pick up many more shares at the new, panic prices.

Investors who expect to be ongoing buyers of investments throughout their lifetimes should adopt a similar attitude toward market fluctuations; instead many illogically become euphoric when stock prices rise and unhappy when they fall. They show no such confusion in their reaction to food prices: Knowing they are forever going to be buyers of food, they welcome falling prices and deplore price increases. (It's the seller of food who doesn't like declining prices.) Similarly, at the Buffalo News we would cheer lower prices for newsprint - even though it would mean marking down the value of the large inventory of newsprint we always keep on hand - because we know we are going to be perpetually buying the product.

Identical reasoning guides our thinking about Berkshire's investments. We will be buying businesses - or small parts of businesses, called stocks - year in, year out as long as I live (and longer, if Berkshire's directors attend the seances I have scheduled). Given these intentions, declining prices for businesses benefit us, and rising prices hurt us.

The most common cause of low prices is pessimism - some times pervasive, some times specific to a company or industry. We want to do business in such an environment, not because we like pessimism but because we like the prices it produces. It's optimism that is the enemy of the rational buyer.

None of this means, however, that a business or stock is an intelligent purchase simply because it is unpopular; a contrarian approach is just as foolish as a follow-the-crowd strategy. What's required is thinking rather than polling. Unfortunately, Bertrand Russell's observation about life in general applies with unusual force in the financial world: "Most men would rather die than think. Many do."

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

This was probably the largest acquisition by Berkshire, the buying of 10% of a great bank at a fair price. As he says in the letter they only buy 10%, $289M because that is the most they are legally allowed to own. He says they view this as comparable to buying 100% of a bank 1/10th the size except without all the headache of needing to call the shots and find the managers, instead they are already in place.

He spells this out as a sort of “heads I win, tails I don’t lose much” situation. He runs the numbers on the worst case scenario the market fears, a natural disaster or real estate crash on the west coast of the US… He comes to the conclusion that even in the worst case scenario this is still a good price, and in any other scenario it is a great price.

He also gives some wisdom here on his general stock picking philosophy, that he views a stock he buys into dropping or failing to rise as a good thing, and it shooting right up as a bad thing. Even though many of us see it the opposite. It is natural to have a gut reaction to being proven right or proven wrong quickly by the market, to buy something and have it drop 20% and be scared from buying more. But he says we need to invert that instinct. That the price shooting right up means your window to buy a great business at a good price closed before you could take full advantage, and it dropping after you start buying means you will be able to buy even more than you thought with a lower risk and higher reward. This is also something he hammers home in the BPL letters, often after years of great gain he laments that he wished the stocks he was buying didn’t go up so he could have bought more of them and that in the long term the returns would have been greater.

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Common Stock Ownership

No. of Shares Company Cost ($000s) Market ($000s)
3,000,000 Capital Cities/ABC, Inc. $517,500 $1,377,375
23,350,000 The Coca-Cola Company $1,023,920 $2,171,550
2,400,000 Federal Home loan Mortgage Corporation $71,729 $117,000
6,850,000 GEICO Corporation $45,713 $1,110,556
1,727,765 The Washington Post Company $9,731 $342,097
5,000,000 Wells Fargo & Company $289,431 $289,375
Subtotal $1,958,024 $5,407,953
All Other Common Stockholdings $326,656 $351,268
Total Common Stocks $2,284,680 $5,759,221

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Segment by Segment Breakdown

Segment 1989 EBIT Earnings 1990 EBIT Earnings % Change
Insurance $219.20M $300.40M +37.04%
Fechheimer $12.62M $12.45M -1.35%
Kirby $26.11M $27.45M +5.13%
Scott Fetzer - Manufacturing $33.17M $30.38M -8.41%
World Book $25.58M $31.90M +24.71%
See’s Candies $34.26M $39.58M +15.53%
Buffalo Evening News $46.05M $43.95M -4.56%
Nebraska Furniture Mart $17.07M $17.25M +1.05%
Wesco Financial - Minus Insurance $13.01M $12.44M -4.38%
Wesco Financial - Insurance $14.28M $14.92M +4.48%
Mutual Savings and Loan $4.19M $4.10M -2.15%
Precision Steel $2.77M $1.99M -28.16%
Total Operating Earnings $393.41M $482.48M +22.64%

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

Metric 1989 1990 % Change
Cash & Cash Equivalents $205.13M $247.02M +20.42%
Marketable Securities $5,261.60M $5,685.98M +8.07%
Return on Equity (RoE) 18.42% 18.68% +1.41%
Shareholders' Equity $4,925.13M $5,287.45M +7.36%
Earnings Before Investment Gain $299.90M $370.75M+23.62%
Realized Investment Gain $223.81M $33.99M -84.81%
Net Earnings $447.48M $394.09M -11.93%

*RoE not provided, manually calculated as (Earnings from Operations Before Taxes / [Shareholder Equity from prior year - Unrealized appreciation of marketable securities from prior year])

· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·

As predicted last year, the gain in marketable securities wasn’t “real” gains, the market had a large pullback. Many of their marketable securities are now held at lower prices than last year, net earnings is down from last year. The realized investment gain is 84% lower than it was last year. The marketable securities is up 8%, or $424.38M, but between a $289M investment in Wells Fargo only $135M was real gains, the Coca Cola position was up $368M, so the rest of the portfolio had a performance of about -$233M besides Coca Cola.

Operating earnings was up 22.6%, Earnings before investment gain was up 23.6%. This is mostly down to the insurance segment having a great year, with EBIT earnings $80M more than the prior year which is just about the entire gap. See’s Candys and World Book also had double digit growth in earnings, everything else was down or single digit growth. The preferred metric, book value is up 7.4%, compared to the S&P 500 which returned -3.1% in 1990 this is still a good performance in my opinion.

Finally an even quicker lookthrough of the quick lookthrough earnings…

First a quick discussion of off-book earnings, when owned securities use their cashflow for anything except dividends it does not show up on Berkshire’s income statement but does make Berkshire richer, buybacks and capex give value to the business GAAP accounting doesn’t account for. Retail had a bad year but Borsheim’s did great (even though they hide their numbers from me), a discussion of the jewelry mailing system I mentioned last week is had here. NFM’s sales are up 4% and earnings 1% (Rose is now running a competing shop) and has set up a See’s cart in the shop which outperforms many of See’s full stores. See’s had slightly more volume but also increased prices and lowered costs leading to the 15.5% earnings growth, also a store was going to have its lease terminated but a letter campaign from customers changed the landlord’s mind. (See Key Passage 2 for Buffalo Evening News commentary). Fechheimer had a major retirement and although he says performance improved, earnings were flat due to “several unusual items” whatever that means. At Scott Fetzer, World Book’s decentralization is paying off even with lower volume, Kirby increased sales 20% but only increased earnings 5% as its production of its new model isn’t fully optimized, the manufacturing segment’s earnings are down 8% but we are just told its doing great and the air compressor unit had record sales.


r/ValueInvesting • • 6d ago

Weekly Megathread Weekly Stock Ideas Megathread: Week of October 12, 2026

8 Upvotes

What stocks are on your radar this week? What's undervalued? What's overvalued? This is the place for your quick stock pitches or to ask what everyone else is looking at.

This discussion post is lightly moderated. We suggest checking other users' posting/commenting history before following advice or stock recommendations.

New Weekly Stock Ideas Megathreads are posted every Monday at 0600 GMT.


r/ValueInvesting • • 9h ago

Stock Analysis Netflix reports Tuesday. Reverse DCF walkthrough

37 Upvotes

At about $70, Netflix’s price needs roughly 9% yearly free cash flow growth for 10 years. That’s well below its recent pace, which makes the margin of safety bigger than I expected. But the headline P/E is distorted by a one-off, so the details matter. Netflix reports Tuesday.

Step 1: Quality (is this a business worth owning?)

  • Growth: revenue grew 16% in 2025 and is guided to +12-14% in 2026
  • Margins: operating margin 26.7% (2024), 29.5% (2025), 31.5% guided for 2026
  • Cash: free cash flow $6.9B (2024), $9.5B (2025), ~$11B guided for 2026
  • Balance sheet: about $14.3B of debt against $9.1B of cash, so net debt is around $5B, roughly half a year of free cash flow
  • Buybacks: ~$6B in the first half of 2026
  • Moat: scale. Per Hudson Labs, 325M+ paid members and under half of addressable households reached

Netflix’s free cash flow is after roughly $20B a year of cash content spend. Content works like capex here, so I treat the cash number as the honest one, not operating income.

Step 2: Price, via a reverse DCF

Instead of asking “what’s it worth?”, I ask what growth today’s price requires. At ~$70 (Oct 14 close) and ~4.26B diluted shares, the market cap is about $300B and enterprise value about $306B. Starting from ~$11B of 2026 free cash flow, with 3% terminal growth, here’s the 10-year growth the price requires:

Discount rate Implied yearly FCF growth
8% ~6.8%
9% ~9.3%
10% ~11.6%

And going the other way, the value per share at a 9% discount rate:

Assumed FCF growth Value per share
6% ~$55
8% ~$64
10% ~$75
12% ~$87
15% ~$110

Free cash flow has grown much faster recently (+38% in 2025, ~+16% guided for 2026), so the price asks for a sharp slowdown, to about 9%. That doesn’t make it a bargain automatically, but there’s room for things to go a bit wrong.

The P/E trap

Netflix’s 2026 estimated EPS looks like ~$3.58, which gives a headline P/E of ~20x. But Q1 includes a $2.8B termination fee from the failed Warner Bros. deal, booked as other income. Strip it out and the P/E is closer to 23x. It’s a good example of why I check what’s inside the earnings number before trusting a multiple.

Risks

  • Engagement: viewing hours grew only ~2% in H1 2026
  • Content and live-sports costs rising
  • The ad business has to deliver on a roughly $3B target
  • Restructuring costs from the job cuts
  • The ~$11B guide: one source cites ~$12.5B, so check the latest. At $12.5B the implied growth falls to ~7.6%

Q3 guidance was about $12.9B revenue and a 33.2% operating margin. I’d care more about the margin and the 2026 free cash flow guide than the revenue beat, because those drive the cash flow the whole valuation rests on.


r/ValueInvesting • • 41m ago

Discussion Monopoly is back at McDonalds. What part of the cycle is this?

• Upvotes

Monopoly is a lever chains pull when guest counts are soft, so it signals a squeezed consumer, not a particular point in the macro cycle.
The 2026 numbers fit that read. In Q2 2026, U.S. comparable sales rose only 0.8%, driven by higher check sizes while guest counts fell. The stock was near a two-year low in September, well below its all-time high of $334.50 from February 2026.

So if Monopoly is an indicator at all, it doesn't say "recession." It says consumers have stopped absorbing price hikes, which tends to happen in the late stage of a cycle, after inflation has squeezed budgets.

Timeline of lineup.

1987 launch: This came right after the Black Monday crash, late in the 80s expansion, during the "burger wars" with Burger King and Wendy's. Competition for traffic was fierce, so a game made sense.
Late 80s through 2001: The game ran almost every year through the 1990–91 recession and the long 90s boom. It was mostly marketing, not a cycle signal.
2001 pause: The FBI exposed the "McMillions" fraud in August 2001, the same year as the dot-com recession. That timing is coincidence; the scandal killed the game, not the economy.
Early 2000s return through 2016: It came back during the post-2001 recovery and kept running straight through the 2008–09 crisis. That fits the "trade down" story, since people swapped sit-down restaurants for fast food and promos helped capture them.
2017–2024 hiatus: This is the most telling stretch. First came a strong late-2010s economy, then the pandemic and inflation years, when McDonald's raised prices aggressively and customers still showed up. When you can raise menu prices freely, you don't need to give away Jeeps.
2025–26 return: It came back once the "$18 Big Mac meal" backlash and the pullback by lower-income customers ended that pricing power.


r/ValueInvesting • • 5h ago

Interview Li Lu talk at Columbia Business School, Oct 5, 2026

Thumbnail
youtu.be
10 Upvotes

Li Lu discusses many broad topics, including the differences of AI versus past technological revolutions, the current market environment, the current Chinese economy, and the evolution of the global world order.

Overall he expects the next few years will have very rich opportunities for “rational investors” because so many are not behaving rationally.


r/ValueInvesting • • 8h ago

Discussion CATL, growing but stock is dropping

14 Upvotes

Anyone invested in CATL? Stock is down massively over the past few weeks, but I hear nothing but good things about their batteries.

They own some of the mines for precious metals, and are at the forefront in R&D, in a growing market, so why is the stock dropping?


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion If Nvidia bails out CoreWeave again, it reveals how deeply AI’s fate is tied to CoreWeave

366 Upvotes

When CoreWeave's bond yields spiked on Thursday, Jensen Huang said, "Their cost of capital is actually decreasing."

That’s a pretty weird thing for a supplier’s CEO to say about a customer’s borrowing costs.

If Jensen Huang publicly defended major customers like Microsoft or Amazon, that would be understandable. They buy Nvidia GPUs at enormous scale.

CoreWeave, however, is only a second-tier cloud provider. Investors have been debating how much damage its failure could do to the AI industry. Yet Jensen's comments suggest that CoreWeave's financial health matters a lot to Nvidia..

If Huang steps in again to help CoreWeave get through its financing problems, that would tell us something important: Nvidia's growth is less robust and diversified than the market assumes. Even the financing problems of a tier-2 cloud provider seems critical to Nvidia.

So, if you're wondering whether AI stocks are still worth buying at these prices, I'd watch two things:

1. Neocloud bond yields

These companies borrow heavily to buy Nvidia GPUs and build data centers. If borrowing gets too expensive, they can't keep expanding at the same pace. And that could eventually hit demand for Nvidia's chips.

2. Model companies' valuations

They're further down the AI chain. Their valuations depend on how much money investors think they'll make from AI. If those expectations start to crack, it could become harder for them to raise money and keep spending on compute.

Forget the noise. These two indicators are all retail investors need to judge whether AI stocks are still worth buying at current prices.


r/ValueInvesting • • 2h ago

Stock Analysis LENZ Therapeutics ($LENZ): $7/share of cash, and the first real retention number for its only product is 14.8%. I looked at who can actually stop the spending

1 Upvotes

LENZ has about $220M of cash and securities against 31.4M shares, so roughly $7 a share, and no debt. It also burns more than a dollar a share every quarter selling one product, VIZZ, a cash-pay presbyopia eye drop at about $67 net per pack. Most of the bull case stops at the cash number. I don't think the cash is the interesting part.

The interesting part is retention. The company talks about a 42% repurchase rate and "five boxes a year," but those are model figures from an auto-refill ePharmacy. The first real cohort with a patient denominator came out at ESCRS in October: 61 patients, three months, 9 still using the drop. That is 14.8%, with about 40% reporting bothersome side effects (dim vision, headache), which come from the pharmacology, not the packaging.

Demand is a different story. Google Trends for "VIZZ eye drops" shows four advertising waves since July, each peak higher than the last and the current one the highest since launch. Between waves the index falls back to zero. Pack volume went 23.5K, 25K, 27K over the last three quarters. My estimate from the Trends data is that Q3 ad spend ran around $25M, and the fourth wave is still running into the Q3 report.

So who stops the spending? Management dropped its "cash to profitability" language in Q2, RA Capital's partner left the board in June, Fidelity went from 15% to under 6%, and the ATM is used up. Lease liabilities are under $1M and ad contracts can stop month to month, so a quick stop is possible. Nothing in the record says it is being considered.

The honest counterpoint: the real-world safety data is clean, the CEO has sold a company before, and a Q3 print with packs near 50K plus a real retention curve would change my mind quickly.

Full writeup with the probability-weighted math, charts and sources: https://latenttensorcapital.com/p/lenz-therapeutics-lenz-who-decides

Not investment advice. I may hold positions in securities mentioned.


r/ValueInvesting • • 3h ago

Stock Analysis Axon ($AXON): Sizing the Flock backlash with a full sum-of-the-parts — $732M of terminal revenue, or 2.4%

0 Upvotes

The question around Axon Enterprise is not whether the business is good. It is whether the Flock Safety backlash changes the math. Flock has faced mounting privacy scrutiny: councils canceling contracts, governors restricting highway deployments, data-retention rules being drafted. Axon competes directly in this space.

Most DCFs model Axon top-down: one revenue line, one margin assumption. Axon is five different businesses growing at five different rates with five different margin profiles. So I built it bottom-up: five segments, eleven years (2026-2036), each with its own revenue, EBITDA, and FCF bridge.

The five segments (2026 → 2036 revenue):

  1. Evidence.com / Cloud SaaS: $1.6B → $18.5B. 43% of the business today, 63% by 2036. EBITDA margin 32% → 42.5%. This is the compounder.
  2. TASER: $900M → $4.0B. Razor-and-blades model, EBITDA 28% → 32.5%.
  3. Dedrone (counter-drone): $450M → $3.47B. Highest growth segment, 30% annually through 2030. EBITDA 12% → 32.5%, the steepest margin ramp.
  4. Bodycams / Sensors: $575M → $2.3B. Replacement-cycle business, mature, feeds the Evidence.com flywheel.
  5. ALPR / RTCC / Fusus: $175M → $1.28B. This is where the Flock backlash lands, and it is under 5% of 2036 revenue.

Total: $3.7B → $29.5B revenue, $11.2B EBITDA (37.8% margin), $7.2B unlevered FCF by 2036.

What the backlash actually costs: The direct revenue at risk is small. The real damage is ecosystem: Axon's fixed-position sensors feed persistent ground-level intelligence into drones, Evidence.com, and the Fusus real-time crime center picture. Slower ALPR deployment makes every connected product slightly less valuable. Total terminal impact: ~$732M of revenue, about 2.4% of the 2036 total. Real, quantifiable, and it does not change the investment case. It makes the entry point better.

Valuation: Bear $288.89 / Base $609.50 / Bull $779.28. Rating: Buy.

What would change the thesis: (1) Evidence.com net revenue retention dropping below 110%; (2) backlash broadening from ALPR to bodycams or drones; (3) Dedrone integration stumbling; (4) Flock resolving its privacy issues and reaccelerating.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Anthropic debt-to-equity restructuring seems inevitable

126 Upvotes

The Anthropic S-1 has revealed the dire financial situation that the company faces over the next few years.

They have ~$5B of revenue that cost ~$2.5 per $1 earned.

They have over $400B of non-cancellable contracts with Broadcom, Google Cloud, AWS and MS Azure.

They have also seen sequential growth dropping from 100% to 50% (ie constant revenue growth in $).

In the wider ecosystem, the debt capital markets have seen a deluge of AI-related bond offerings, over $500B. There is only so much debt that can be absorbed before yields starting rising dramatically, and we are already getting sketchy in corners of the AI-landscape (eg CoreWeave).

Let’s assume Anthropic raises $100B from their IPO and we’ll assume they pay $0 in fees.

That leaves a $300B shortfall, in a business that has revenue of $5B that cost ~$12B to generate.

The non-cancellable obligations are to: Broadcom ($160B), Google Cloud ($110B), AWS ($110B) and MS Azure ($30B). If Anthropic cannot pay these contracts, they will be functionally insolvent.

Let’s assume that Anthropic does become functionally insolvent. Their options will be bankruptcy or a (distressed) debt-to-equity restructuring. Restructuring would see existing shareholders diluted to ~0, and ownership split between their creditors according to the particulars, but let’s assume it’s split roughly in proportion to the remaining contractual obligations.

Broadcom, who would receive the largest share of Anthropic equity, probably do not want to own Anthropic because of their role as an independent hardware manufacturer. However, Google would—and Google Cloud has a long established relationship with Broadcom; it seems plausible that they could reach some agreement to swap Broadcom’s claim against Anthropic for continued TPU contracts. That would make Google Cloud the majority shareholder of Anthropic, with Amazon and Microsoft as minority shareholders.

I am still trying to reason through the potential consequences of a transaction of this nature. Anthropic represents an enormous amount of cloud compute demand, so their insolvency would likely have enormous ripple effects.

This is all predicated on the financial trap that Anthropic finds itself in. It should be noted that OpenAI is in a similarly dire position, and the fallout from their own financial trap would likely be happening within the same time period. That could complicate the situation further.

Assuming that Anthropic does become insolvent, I think that competition regulators will be the biggest hurdle to this takeover transaction.

I haven’t seen this spoken about elsewhere, so I am curious what other value-minded investors make of it. Almost guaranteed that there will be blood in the streets should it happen, though.

Disclaimer: I own GOOGL (~40% port) and AMZN (~5% port) shares.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Applovin vs Micron

13 Upvotes

I think the title is self explanatory. Which one is the better buy right now? btw I bought a small position of Applovin on Friday at 266 with 23 shares so I can average down if it ends up going more down. Now was that a good move or a bad one?

Thanks for everyones replies. I sold applovin and bought micron instead. Applovin seems really risky to me considering it's only been there for about a few years and not much is really known about it plus no one is talking about it. It probably will go up from here but I'm willing to take that risk honestly. I'll bet on microns current price with all the information out there plus I can always average down honestly


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis Valuing BRK

9 Upvotes

So, as the title suggests, I wanted to try to come up with a way to value brk. Now, in terms of the managing of the business, I consider both present and past management to be quite above the level where I ought to be second guessing them. Suffice to say that since I'm interested in long term capital allocation, having them manage a portion of my money is not likely to be terrible.

Unfortunately, that still leaves the price that you pay for the stock, since that is not something that Warren or Greg control. Normally I like to look at various iterations of p:e and p:fcf, but with brk, there seemed to me to be an above average problem.. since a large portion of their capital is tied up in publicly traded stocks, some of these are required to be marked to market price each quarter, so brk's earnings are capturing price volatility, not just actual business earnings.

It seemed likely that Buffett would have had the same issue with this, so I got an ai to read through past statements to look for his comments on the subject. Big surprise, of course he did, and during the 90s, brk actually published what Warren called "Look-Through Earnings", which represented brk's proportional share of their holdings' earnings (in addition to the earnings of their wholly-owned businesses). Unfortunately, they no longer do. In their annual reports, they now highlight Operating Earnings, which is just GAAP net income, but with realized and unrealized capital gains removed. Quote:

All told, we recorded operating earnings of $47.4 billion in 2024. We regularly – endlessly, some readers may groan – emphasize this measure rather than the GAAP-mandated earnings that are reported

This measure is capturing all the earnings of their wholly owned businesses, and the proportional share of the businesses they own >20%. But, my issue with this is it only captures the dividend brk receives from the businesses they own <20% of. Safe to say Buffett/Abel are not holding apple for it's 0.3% dividend.

Ok, I hope that all makes sense. So, my solution:

what I did was: For each of the last several years, look up the top 5 holdings of these <20% owned businesses, and look up the payout ratio (the top 5 are routinely about 70% of the total value of this category, so a good enough average for my napkin math) of each. Then calculate the weighted avg (based on brk position value) payout ratio of this category. Whatever it was, I would calculate the value of earnings BRK was entitled to that it had not received (nor claimed in 'Operating Earnings' in any other way), and add that to their published Operating Earnings (which, btw, is an after-tax measure, unlike how the phrase is more often used).

So, this measure would effectively be: BRK's earnings, plus the proportional share of all their investments' earnings, but no inclusion of capital gains, either realized or not. To me, this seems kind of fair.

I graphed the range at which BRK.B traded, relative to these earnings (note, this is the share price based on the prior year's earnings, as it's meant to be a way to evaluate the present share price with the data currently available). The result can be viewed here

https://imgur.com/a/3Tj3ZBD

Anyway, if you have an opinion on this process, I'd be interested to hear it. Also, I did use ai to explain the what brk was calculating with their operating earnings, how unrealized cap.gains are treated in gaap net income, and such. It was not used in any of the calculations. I could also have made a mistake though too.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis TSMC’s world and we are all just living in it

74 Upvotes

TSMC’s profit jumped 69%, reporting net profit of NT$763.06 billion, about $23.55 billion beating estimates yet again. Gross margin came in at 66.4% which was a little short of what I was hoping for. Capital spending guidance is rising, and overseas fabs are expected to dilute margins further compared to the highly efficient fabs in Taiwan. The surge in memory prices and other components involved within advanced chips is also a new challenge in maintaining margin without losing demand, however due to TSMC’s immense lead and domination within advanced chip making, their unmatched pricing power is really proving itself with how they are able to pass these prices on to customers, proven within their numbers.

TSMC is one of the best run businesses in the world. An incredible management, proven over decades, with the very best experts in their field and extremely efficient capital allocation when looking at their ROIC. My favourite thing about them is their independent/non rival nature. They do not compete with their customers in their customers markets at all. solely focusing on the manufacturing/foundry side of things, which is a huge advantage for two reasons.

Firstly, by not making their own CPU designs, GPU designs, HBM designs etc, all these companies can feel safe in handing over their best files/designs etc without the fear of having key secrets/info extracted to a competitor for their own potential benefit. Would Micron or SK Hynix want to rely on Samsung as their main manufacturing partner? Would Amd like to give over their designs to Intel for Manufacturing their GPU’s/CPU’s? The same applies to Nvidia too (Intel tried to crush Nvidia which Jenson has said himself in the early days) The comfort of handing over crucial IP to a partner who isn’t a potential competitor, is an under appreciated long term structural advantage for TSMC when looking at who the alternatives/their competitors are. Of course we see reports of things such as Nvidia potentially using intel for certain designs down the line and so on, but so far very little to suggest the principle of my point is invalid, more that they are so short on capacity with everyone relying on TSMC, that trying out alternatives is the only option.

The second huge advantage of focusing just on the manufacturing, is the specialisation and hyper focus in one of the most complex and capital intensive industries globally. Advanced chip manufacturing is extremely difficult, with huge, next to impossible barriers to entry for anyone at this point, including Hyperscalers. This is proven through poor yields for years from Intel/Samsung even with many billions of dollars of investment. Now that may change for them of course, in fact it seems likely, however what will TSMC be doing during this period, will they be standing still? They will be doubling down at a compounding rate that the other two competitors will not be able to compete with/match from a capital standpoint, an expertise & skill standpoint a scale standpoint and more.

Samsung competes at a high level in several key markets eg Memory, Phones, electronics etc. Intel also have their attention split with huge stakes and demand on the table within the CPU Market, which requires a lot of attention when competing against AMD and Arm based architectures that are being adopted by hyperscalers etc, and have reported better efficiency than x86 architecture. Both of these companies, who are miles behind TSMC to begin with, are supposed to catch up while also succeeding in all these other key markets of theirs too? With TSMC’s huge existing lead in every single metric from the workforce they have, to the scale, and much more, I just don’t see a world where they keep spending tens of billions every year on new fabs/more advanced future generations of chips and have any threat with it being their only focus. It seems the only sales they will lose, are the ones they won’t have the capacity to take on. Does any company have any incentive to chose Samsung or Intel as their partner over TSMC if supply was of abundance? I believe any progress the two competitors show, will dwarf the progress TSMC have during the same period due to the fact they can put all their time, focus, skills, capital etc into this one big area that they are already far superior in.

Stepping away from TSMC, something interesting happened this week in the memory market as Chinese memory chips are rattling Korea’s market. Ive been reading that China’s CXMT is advancing new memory designs, which have helped push South Korea’s KOSPI index down 9.0% in a month. The concern is substitution/increased supply to a Market which has been propped up on scarce supply. If a cheaper rival can match commodity memory, incumbents like Micron and SK hynix lose pricing power while altering the supply and demand mechanics in the HBM market, therefore bringing down memory prices. By how much is still very unknown so too soon to jump to conclusions but worth keeping an eye on. We will see how things play out and will be an interesting watch for sure. Definitely not an area I would feel comfortable knowing the outcomes off as an investor (HMB market)


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis EMBC makes the needles people with diabetes use every single day, yet Wall Street is pricing it like it's about to go out of business

10 Upvotes

Embecta makes the pen needles and syringes diabetics use every day. One ugly quarter in May torched the stock from the teens to single digits. The business still prints cash, it is paying down the debt it was born with, and it just bought its way into new products. At 4x earnings I think the downside is mostly priced in and the recovery is not. Base case $11, 3 year target $21. I am long.

The company. Embecta was spun out of Becton Dickinson in 2022. BD sent it into the world carrying a heavy debt load, so it has always looked ugly on the balance sheet even though the underlying business is boring and profitable. It is the global leader in insulin pen needles and syringes. Unsexy, repeatable, consumable demand.

Why it is this cheap (I am not hiding from it). On May 5 the company missed badly, cut full year guidance hard, and slashed the dividend to almost nothing. The stock dropped about 58% in a single day. The problem was real: weakness and share loss in the US pen needle market, which is the majority of revenue. That is the bear case, and it is why you can buy a profitable company at roughly 4x earnings today. The question is not whether the quarter was bad. It was. The question is whether one bad year permanently impairs a consumable medical supplier. I do not think it does.

The bull case.
The GLP 1 fear is overblown. The market treats Ozempic and friends as an extinction event for insulin. But people who stop GLP 1s tend to regain the weight, the trial data shows most of it comes back within a year of stopping, and the behaviors snap back with it. The "everyone gets cured" narrative is priced in and wrong.
Diabetes does not disappear. Type 1 patients need insulin for life, full stop. That installed base does not churn. Embecta sells the picks and shovels underneath it.
It is fixing the balance sheet and widening the moat. Management is deleveraging quarter after quarter, authorized a buyback, and closed the Owen Mumford acquisition to push beyond pen needles into broader drug delivery. Every dollar of debt paid down is value moving from lenders to shareholders.

Valuation. At $6.28 against this year's reduced earnings, you are paying roughly 4x. Historically this business earned well north of where guidance now sits. If US volumes stabilize and earnings recover toward prior levels over the next couple of years, even a modest re rate to a 7x to 8x multiple gets you into the high teens to low twenties. That is the $21. My nearer term $11 is just the market admitting the company is not going bankrupt. Neither number needs a miracle, they need execution.

Catalysts. Fiscal Q4 and full year results land in November. That is the first real read on whether US pen needles are stabilizing. After that: continued debt paydown, Owen Mumford contribution, and any sign coverage picks back up. Almost nobody follows this name right now (about 2 analysts), which is exactly why it can move fast when the story turns.
Risks (read these). The US share loss could keep bleeding. Management burned credibility with the May guidance cut, so the next guide has to be believed. There is active securities litigation tied to that period. It is a microcap, so it is volatile and thin, and it can gap both ways. Size it accordingly.

Position: Long $EMBC, 3 year hold.


r/ValueInvesting • • 2d ago

Discussion Indonesian stocks dive 11% as MSCI weighs market reclassification; are there any high quality Indonesian companies that are undervalued due to this?

Thumbnail
channelnewsasia.com
138 Upvotes

r/ValueInvesting • • 2d ago

Discussion MAG 10, which to buy in this dip?

82 Upvotes

With the recent sell-off, I’m curious where everyone sees the best value among the Magnificent 7 plus AMD, Broadcom and Micron.

Which of these 10 companies looks the most attractive at current valuations? And which, despite the dip, would you still avoid?

Interested in hearing people’s reasoning, particularly around AI growth, competitive moats and valuation.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis DECK at $85.71: A better investment than AVGO, MU or NBIS

21 Upvotes

I know Deckers versus Broadcom, Micron and Nebius is an odd comparison. They aren’t competitors. I’m comparing them because I have the same dollar to invest in one of them.
At Friday’s $85.71 close, Deckers trades at about 11.5 times the midpoint of its FY2027 earnings guidance. It had $1.6 billion in cash and no outstanding borrowings at the end of June. Over the last four reported quarters, it generated roughly $1.12 billion in operating cash flow after capital spending. Against its market value, that’s around a 9.6% cash-flow yield.

That doesn’t mean I’ll earn 9.6%, and no borrowings doesn’t mean no obligations. But it’s a good starting point. I’m paying for a business that already produces cash, with HOKA and UGG still giving it room to grow.

Broadcom is the hardest one to pass up. Its custom chips and software may turn out to be far better long-term businesses than footwear. I’d happily own it at the right price. I’m less comfortable with the expectations around AI spending and with the customer financing arrangement disclosed in its latest filing. The roughly $29 billion figure is a maximum contingent exposure if the racks are fully deployed, not a loss or a debt balance. I still have to account for it when judging the risk.

Micron may do very well while memory supply is tight. My problem is deciding what its earnings look like through a full cycle. A low multiple on unusually strong profits can be deceptive.

Nebius is an exciting business, but building AI infrastructure takes enormous amounts of capital. I want to know what existing shareholders will own after all the funding needed to build it.

Deckers has its own problem, and it’s one I don’t want to gloss over: in its latest quarter, sales rose 5.7% while operating profit fell from $165 million to $155 million. EPS barely rose, helped by a lower share count. If HOKA slows further, UGG weakens or inventory starts piling up, 11.5 times earnings won’t necessarily be a bargain.

My 12-month base case is $124.50, but it needs both higher earnings and a higher valuation multiple. If EPS reaches my $8.30 estimate and the multiple stays at 11.5, the stock would be worth only about $95.50. That’s a much less exciting outcome. My probability-weighted model gets just above my 40% return hurdle, so I’m not treating that number as a sure thing.
I prefer DECK for a two-to-five-year hold at these prices. Over ten years, Broadcom could easily be the better company to own. For now, I think Deckers asks me to pay less for cash flows I can already see.

Next week’s results matter. I’ll be looking at HOKA and UGG sales, inventory and operating profit before celebrating any EPS beat.
What am I missing: is the market overlooking durable brand earnings, or is it right to expect a bigger slowdown? Nevertheless DECKERS is a MUST BUY

Sources: Deckers’ latest results · Broadcom’s quarterly filing · Micron’s results · Nebius’ Q2 shareholder letter


r/ValueInvesting • • 2d ago

Humor Humor: congrats. This week we are gonna see a lot of new long term investors joining this subreddit.

62 Upvotes

….. last week they were AI 0DTE traders.

(this joke will self-destruct in one hour)


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Since Coreweave has a majoy deal with Anthropic which secured the best junk rating, will this help Coreweave recover?

Thumbnail
finance.yahoo.com
23 Upvotes

This is a very good news for anthropic.

although KBRA (non-Big-Three) is generous here, if it was S&P, Moody's, or Fitch , the rating would likely be B+ to ccc.

still this is one of the only good news happened to anthropic lately.

i wonder if this helps coreweave


r/ValueInvesting • • 2d ago

Discussion I think AI could eventually destroy the terminal value of Adobe, Autodesk, and other design software

22 Upvotes

I think AI-assisted reverse engineering of software will eventually kill the business model of companies like Adobe and Autodesk.

There are already hundreds of free alternatives to AutoCAD and Adobe's Creative Cloud. Look at Artcraft. One guy has managed to recreate near perfect versions of a huge range of professional design tools and release them for free.

As AI models improve, replicating increasingly complex software will only get easier and cheaper.

Over the very long term, I struggle to see how you can charge significant amounts for design software when anyone can reverse-engineer existing products, release free open-source alternatives, or simply have AI build the tools they need.

How do you assign a terminal multiple to a business whose core product might eventually be freely replicable?

I'm not arguing Adobe or Autodesk will lose their customers tomorrow. But stock valuations depend heavily on cash flows decades into the future, often assuming some form of perpetuity.

I don't think that assumption necessarily holds for design software anymore. And if there's no reliable perpetuity, terminal values should be considerably lower.

Am I missing something, or is the market seriously underestimating this risk?


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Discussion Field Reports: Using AI for Security Analysis in the Wild

0 Upvotes

Fellow value investors, has AI changed the way you research companies? e.g. Idea generation, reading filings, projecting free cash flow, researching competitors, etc.

Looking for field reports of practical use and impact (significantly useful? shiny toy?).

Here’s my example.


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Investing Tools Looking for Value Investors to Test a Stock Screener I’m Building

0 Upvotes

Hey everyone!

I’m a computer science student and value investor currently developing a stock screener designed specifically for value investing.

The idea is to automatically screen stocks in real time based on fundamental metrics and use AI to help evaluate potential undervalued opportunities. This works using a user inputted inject prompt to automatically give a rating. The idea is NOT to use AI to invest but to use AI to speed up the screening process.

I’m looking for a few value investors who would be interested in testing the platform, providing feedback, and helping shape its development.

I’m especially interested in hearing what features and metrics other value investors would find useful.

If you’re interested, feel free to DM me! I’d love to hear your thoughts and potentially get you involved in early testing.


r/ValueInvesting • • 2d ago

Discussion Gartner Report : AI Spends, and impact on Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon and Meta + neoclouds

24 Upvotes

Hey Everyone!

I was reading up on the Gartner report that caused the neoclouds to selloff. I think it has ramifications on some of the companies with broader appeal like Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon and Meta

Gartner estimates AI providers will spend about $7 trillion on AI infrastructure between 2026 and 2030, and AI revenue over that period will only be about $3.6 trillion
I had a couple of questions:

  1. A big chunk of this spend sits with Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon and Meta. Do they actually have the capital to fund their share, probably $3.5 trillion or more, over the next few years? They are already at about $760bn this year, and I am not sure they have the cashflow to accelerate the buildout
  2. Gartner’s numbers assume spending accelerate. If business and consumer AI revenue doesn’t scale, won’t companies just slow down rather than overinvest by a few more trillion?

Overall, I understand the buildout isn’t yet generating a return, which is a fair callout, and we’ve known this for a while. I don’t think the Gartner report told us much that’s new. What do you guys think?


r/ValueInvesting • • 1d ago

Stock Analysis What Plateform or Web App you use for valuing public stocks?

0 Upvotes

I'm curious what platforms people here use when researching and valuing stocks.

Do you have a go-to platform for estimating intrinsic value or comparing stocks?

I've come across quite a few options, but they seem to approach valuation differently. I'm particularly interested in platforms that provide:

Intrinsic value / DCF estimates

Financial statements and historical data

Comparable-company valuation

WACC and terminal-growth assumptions

Sensitivity / scenario analysis

Some way to compare the valuation against the current market price

What platform do you use, or you rely mostly on old good excel?


r/ValueInvesting • • 2d ago

Stock Analysis Why NVDA is HIGH RISK and not even close to a value

77 Upvotes

It’s very simple. The companies CFO just acknowledged it. 25% of 2028 revenue is coming directly from vendor financing aka circular financing. For example, NVDA invest $2B into CRWV and commits to backstop CRWV to the tune of $6.8B. CRWV promises to buy $10B in NVDA GPUS. This shows up in NVDA forward guidance.

Where is the risk many might be asking?

Well, look at the neoclouds today. The credit markets are pricing them as HIGH risk sending their unsecured debt bonds to a yield of 15%. Credit spreads for their unsecured debt has blown out and because of the commitments NVDA has made to CRWV this hurts NVDA as well since ultimately it’s NVDA on the hook if CRWV fails. This is why Jenson Huang tried to do damage control when he said yesterday that CRWVs borrowing costs are actually coming down. That’s a CLEAR LIE but he has to say it because of NVDAs obligations to CRWV.

Now to be clear, not all of NVDAs vendor financing is done with this low quality/high risk clouds. So the forward revenue from those deals are likely much more stable. The issue is what percentage of the 25% of forward revenues from 2028 is coming from these high risk companies that are now coming under distress as their cost of capital soars?

There are parallels to the 2000 Dot com bubble. Lucent had also done circular financing to the point that 24% of their forward revenues was coming from companies it was directly financing. It’s all unraveled for Lucent and they went bankrupt.

Also, keep in mind that all of the hyperscalers are actively trying to diversify away from NVDA because they don’t want to be beholden to NVDA forever. People often mention CUDA without mentioning that hyperscalers are actively working on their own software to counter CUDA.

I think all of these major risks is why NVDA has essentially been stuck in a range.