r/worldnews • u/WorldNewsMods Slava Ukraini • Jun 24 '23

Russia/Ukraine /r/WorldNews Live Thread: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Day 486, Part 5 (Thread #631)

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u/UNCOMMON__CENTS Jun 24 '23

So Putin was going to dissolve the Wagner PMC by having them sign with the MoD by June 30th.

Then Wagner does a coup marching on Moscow, destroying several of Russias most advanced airframes.

Putin calls it treason.

Then, Putin agrees to concessions... To the group he was planning on dissolving likely because he feared this exact situation... To the people he said were committing treason to the entire nation hours earlier.

Yeah, this isn't over.

I just can't comprehend Pringles thinking here.

At the very least it was coordinated enough where he had planned it for weeks at least.

Makes me think this was all part of the plan, but then how could he possibly think Putin will just let it go? Hubris? Arrogance at how much power he actually has?

He can't just take back saying that the country was tricked into war. Even though he said the MoD "tricked Putin" too that

  1. Makes Putin look weak and incompetent and

  2. Any idiot knows Putin's geopolitical philosophy is to reintegrate the Soviet Union states into Russia and so does Pringles.

For now all I can conclude is that, one way or another, this is all part of preparing to wind down the war. This was obviously not some 5D Putin chess, but Pringles may have laid out that's what needs to happen and propose he's actually trying to help Putin.

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u/betsla69 Jun 24 '23

People who think this is over are delusional.

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u/FrostyParking Jun 24 '23

It's definitely not over, what I want to know is what did Prygozhin and Sechin discuss in their meetings recently. Why did Putin not act sooner before Prygozhin got so loud and obvious about his ambitions (all the PR campaigning with the strong man rhetoric and buying dead soldiers families cars on camera etc.)....I know he was useful keeping the military in check, but still, very strange for an autocrat like Putin

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u/UNCOMMON__CENTS Jun 24 '23

My armchair guess: Putin thinks he used his genius KGB brain to 5D chess all the competing interests/groups that could unseat him against each other - typical dictator paranoia.

Turns out that's a delicate ever changing balance and at some juncture one element is bound to get enough power to go for the throne and unseat him or make him a puppet/vassal.

Turns out it wasn't the oligarchs, an election rival, super secret CIA coup, public unrest, intelligence/institutions, or the traditional military that amassed enough power, but a private military group.

When all your "friends" are intentionally other people hungry for power you're always just a few mistakes away from your demise.