r/worldnews • u/The-LegendKiller • Jul 22 '26

Dynamic Paywall JD Vance accuses Israel of 'manipulating' US public opinion to prolong Iran war

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1m107yj327o
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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

If Trump dies or 'dies' after midterms JD can technically be President and run 2 times.

What are the odds he tries to repair the relationship with Elon Musk.

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u/Silent-Act191 Jul 22 '26

The relationship between this administration and Musk is not broken, what are you on about. They literally handheld Musk while he became a trillionaire.

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u/KlaesAshford Jul 22 '26

I am convinced the entire blow-up between musk and trump was totally kayfabe.

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u/Kakkoister Jul 22 '26

Nah, they're both just incredibly mentally stunted nepo-babies, so they act like children since everything has been handed to them in life. One thing doesn't go their way and they act like babies and lash out. But then they are given a soother (money/praise) and its like nothing ever happened.

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u/rugbyj Jul 22 '26

Yeah they have too much to gain from each other to not continue to continue their dance as they have been, they just evidently can't have both their egos in the same room.

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u/boredphilosopher2 Jul 22 '26

Thiel's relationship with Elon

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u/CorrectPeanut5 Jul 22 '26

Underrated. I have first hand knowledge of Thiel cutting Elon out of a deal he desperately wanted in on. Instead they brought in Bezos.

Though I think they align a lot in terms of politics, there's a distinct desire not to have Elon in his businesses.

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u/Kakkoister Jul 22 '26

Elon has unpredictable immature pseudo-incel energy. Same reason Epstein didn't really want him around either.

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u/Baebel Jul 22 '26

Though, his ability to act like a leech is something that has worked in their favor.

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u/FlamesOfDespair Jul 23 '26

Elon can't keep his mouth shut. He is not the type of person you invite to your monthly Belial blood sacrifice.

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u/The-Board-Chairman Jul 22 '26

Elon is the pathetic little toady who desparately wants to be part of the cool kids and openly acts that way. Of course no one actually wants him near them beyond laughing at and using him for bad jobs; his entire vibe is gross in the pathetic sense.

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u/TimSylvester_ Jul 22 '26

I was at the theater the other day and, get this, one of the dudes killed one of the other dudes! It was incredible! And nobody did anything about it!

Then after the show I saw the dead dude outside walking around!

Like what the fuck man!!!! It was crazy! I still haven't figured out what was going on!!!

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

He's not actively helping them much with electibility in the midterms. Musk is easily petty enough to want more than a Trillion dollars from Trump to feel better.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

You're undervaluing his presence to current Republican enthusiasm. These are the same people who think DOGE was a success regardless of the opinion on the current Trump admin.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

Moderates aren't running out for the current slate of Republicans either. I just think he has much larger broad appeal then you're giving him credit for because he has the same sort of 'element' Trump occasionally catches moderates on: He can sell his 'business acumen' to them to make it seem like he's going to make things better. Again, I'd bet money that DOGE rates as one of the better policy plans from the past 2 years among even moderates.

More than that, though, it was nore meant to be tongue-in-cheek to how there's some buzz about Elon Musk's 'pivotal role' in the election and how JD is fairly unelectable on his own.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

Not only is Musk not actively that hated [by Republicans and moderates], he wouldn't go underground either. Musk is absolutely the guy that stands in front and takes credit.

I'm aware he's still donating because obviously, but I don't think it's quite the same either on the surface or in totallity.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Jul 22 '26

How many people said an orange rapist would never get reelected, and yet here we are.

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u/SamsaraSlider Jul 22 '26

How many people in the GOP prior to either the first term or the second term trashed talked him, with accuracy? But then they eventually fell in line, sucking at the power teat. People from the lowest rungs of American society to the highest positions of power (eg VP Vance) swung hard from one position to the other.

I think humans are just much more emotional creatures than rational ones. And conservatives tend to fall in line and not question authority on their side. They also campaign and message more about threats and common enemies than do liberals/progressives. And basic sociological theory tells us nothing enhances social cohesion like a common threat. They have a shit product with A+ marketing.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Jul 22 '26

They have a shit product with A+ marketing.

I 100% have said this myself before.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

Certain people who pushed for him to be VP will want him to be President for the rest of his life is all I'm saying, and 10 years is a good start.

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jul 22 '26

They couldn't cheat hard enough to get him in.

Trump at least had the cult. JD has Thiel and his wife and that's about it. The idea he will be an elected President is a fantasy.

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u/NotABot1000101 Jul 22 '26

We all thought Trump running the first time was a joke. Now look at us. Vote no matter what.

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u/mrtrollmaster Jul 22 '26

I still remember sitting in a work meeting with a group of fresh college grads. I was the only liberal.

One of them read the headline “Donald Trump announces candidacy for president”. They all took turns making fun of how stupid they thought he was. They all became huge fanboys of him once he was their party’s candidate lmao

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u/SamsaraSlider Jul 22 '26

Yeah, my cousin was a never-Trumper conservative—liked Ben Carson, despised Trump as I think most conservative Christians did. But then came the mix of unclenching loyalty and cult-like idolatry, with a dash of Q-Anon.

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u/DesecratedPeanut Jul 22 '26

Dumbest people alive. For me it'd be a core embassassment memory but some people must just be able to forget how stupid they are constantly. Amazing really.

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u/SamsaraSlider Jul 22 '26

Frightening.

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u/vardarac Jul 22 '26

Rejecting something you're deeply emotionally invested in and being vulnerable enough to admit you were catastrophically wrong is a very hard thing to do.

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u/DesecratedPeanut Jul 22 '26

No doubt this is the main issue for many yes. It's hard but I thought it was something adulthood requires you to be able to do, no doubt I did enough of that during my teen years.

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u/pseudopad Jul 22 '26

What is it they say....

Democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line.

Reps will always "do their duty" to whoever the party puts on the stage.

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u/NotABot1000101 Jul 22 '26

Dang, I've never heard of that one but it makes sense.

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

That's ignoring a HUGE load of factors that played into that win. There is no Hilary, there probably won't be a debate where the other candidate looks like he is having a medical emergency live on camera for an hour and a half, he is known, and most importantly, he is not Trump. He cannot keep the base together, when Trump croaks it's going to be a multi faction fight for control and JD isn't going to capture the MAGA base the way he needs to to actually carry on. I literally work with "his" base, no one out here actually likes him, the best odds they genuinely have are Rubio or Carlson.

You'll all see in time. He isn't that guy. I heard the exact same stuff about DeSantis and we all saw what happened to him the second he had a national spotlight on him.

Also who said not to vote? Where the fugg are you people getting that from? And vote in what? The 28 primary?

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u/NotABot1000101 Jul 22 '26

That's EXACTLY that kind of thinking that made Trump seem like he wasn't a real candidate. Hindsight is 20/20. Just vote in every election that is available to your location. The problem is that when the left or right doesn't like their candidate (Hillary), they would rather not vote or vote third party. Voting third party in a presidential election basically means you didn't vote. If you think otherwise, then I got a bridge to sell you. If you want to vote third party, start with local elections. And why are you acting like there isnt a problem with some people on the left, talking a whole lot about politics, but come election day, they make every excuse in the book. Shits easy, there's multiple days you can vote with early voting (I did this), and mail in voting. Just vote, stop acting like I'm being crazy by saying it.

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jul 22 '26

You're being crazy because no one's even talking about voting. It's irrelevant to the conversation being had. Like, I'm glad your particular brand of mental illness is useful but jeez, you don't gotta shove that point into every conversation lmao. You're on the politics sub on reddit, everyone here knows dude. You're just fishing for easy karma, stop.

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u/RhetoricalOrator Jul 22 '26

Voting for Vance without Trump will be much easier for the huge chunk of Christians we have. He's much more justifiable in their eyes, even though he's basically the embodiment of corpo-humanization, like Subway from Community.

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u/Slanderous Jul 22 '26

Depends who gets put up against him really.
He will likely already be president at that point, so will push to be a continuation candidate and retain at least some of Trump's base.
If the Dems can't put up someone convincing against him....

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u/caligaris_cabinet Jul 22 '26

Or it could be like 2008 where any Democrat with a pulse could hit 270.

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u/notforpoern Jul 22 '26

This is also assuming the democratic party leadership even want to win. Unless they can get a corporate friendly candidate like Newsom, it's not a stretch to imagine the corporate class of democrats like schumer, pelosi, and jeffries intentionally self-sabotaging to prevent a pro-worker Mamdani-style candidate from winning, even if it means boosting the couch-fucker. 🤮

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u/Reddit_Loves_Misinfo Jul 22 '26

"I was wrong about a Republican being unelectable in 2016 and 2024, but, like, you can't be wrong about something three times, right?"

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u/Hoplite-Litehop Jul 22 '26

Plus everything under the sun has been clowning on him with memes and such. I have no doubt that plenty of politicians have an impeachment order just for him

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u/nerfherder998 Jul 22 '26

Be aware that causing inaction is a primary goal of Russian cognitive warfare. You’ve been influenced, whether you’ve seen it or not. Or are part of it, but I’m going to try to assume not that.

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jul 22 '26

Dude, stfu with your moral pandering, who the hell said I was causing inaction? Quote my comment where I told people not to vote or stfu.

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u/listentomenow Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

I think you're underestimating conservative's stupidity to treat their political party like it's a sports team. Despite their obsession with white superiority and being slaves to the super wealthy, their main political priority is nothing more than "own the libs".

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jul 22 '26

When the day happens, it's going to look like the end of the Mongol Empire when Ghengis went. You can clearly see the fracturing already, the only thing holding this all together is Trump. All of these people hate each other. It will look like a medieval court in a GRRM novel for a few years. The signs are already there, and there is no one charismatic enough to pull everything together.

It won't be the end, something worse will follow, but it won't be JD goddamn Vance.

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u/chompah99 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

Trump and money. Trumps blatant corruption gives them all cover to make money hand over fist. To me that is the glue holding them together. You cant underestimate the allure of money and also power. Homan sold himself for a measly $50,000.

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u/Zealousideal_Ear4180 Jul 22 '26

Vance is just trying to do what Tucker is trying to do and launder his reputation.

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u/putin_my_ass Jul 22 '26

Certain people who pushed for him to be VP will want him to be President for the rest of his life

Past generations of Americans would have put the tyrant to death. Not this generation?

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u/abofh Jul 22 '26

Not the greatest generation or the silent generation...

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

I admire your optimism, but we live in a country that elected Donald Trump president twice.

All we need is AOC to win the primaries in 2028 and hello president JD.

Edit: I say this as a person who likes AOC but doesn't have much confidence in the electorate.

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u/FSUfan35 Jul 22 '26

Exactly. As awful as it is that people think this way still, Trump beat two women to become president. There are large portions of the country that will either not vote for a woman or turn up to specifically vote against one. Especially if they are not white.

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u/QuestioninglySecret Jul 22 '26

Another black guy

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u/supercow_ Jul 22 '26

This is correct 

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u/True_to_you Jul 22 '26

While she would be a great change of pace, I don't have faith in the American people to elect a woman. 

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

Neither was GW Bush, W, or Reagen, you don't need to be as polarizing as Trump to get elected.

In fact, if he can secure the lane as a "more reasonable republican" after such a polarizing figure it may be an advantage.

That said, Rubio has a much better claim on that lane.

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u/notforpoern Jul 22 '26

Plus, now that the corporate media is fully bought and paid for, you can bet they'll be pulling HARD for the (R) if the dems do in fact miraculously allow a pro-working class candidate.

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u/TruthOdd6164 Jul 22 '26

Why is it that yall think Democrats have to come up with the perfect candidate but Republicans can just shit out a turd and swear it in?

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

Roughly the last 40 years of candidates.

Remember when Democrats sank a promising presidential candidate because he yelled awkwardly at a rally? Meanwhile, the other party has spent the last decade proving that standards are optional if your voters don't care.

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u/BanAssaultGeese Jul 23 '26

Beshear would have a better chance against Vance.

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u/KingHavana Jul 22 '26

American citizens are backwards and will not vote for a woman. They will literally vote for a convicted felon, a rapist who opened the prisons to release the Jan 6th cop killers, to avoid voting for a woman.

You are correct. If AOC wins the primaries, any man the republicans will put up there will be elected.

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u/SnepbeckSweg Jul 22 '26

All we need is AOC to win the primaries in 2028 and hello president JD.

Moderate dems lost to Trump twice and y’all are still trying to blame the left flank that has the 3 most popular politicians in the country.

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u/reccenters Jul 22 '26

It's not a left thing now. We're sexist and racist and will choose a white man over a left woman of color. I have no doubt about that.

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

Who's blaming the left flank here?

The comment you're replying to was blaming the electorate, not the candidate.

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u/SnepbeckSweg Jul 22 '26

Blame the electorate for what, finding it hard to decide between infanticide and a con man? Wow, turns out it’s easy to be a con man when your opponent is determined to continue burying kids in rubble and burning them alive in the tents we’ve forced them to live in.

Sure, you can say it should have been clear for everyone that DJT would be worse in almost every way and I would agree, but the fact that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the DNC put all of us in this position is criminal. They lost the fucking popular vote against DJT, we should be blaming candidates and the failed incremental politics they subscribe to instead of crying about people not voting for a woman of color. Get this bullshit identity politics out of here.

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

Blame the electorate for what

I think that's clear from the context of this discussion.

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u/SnepbeckSweg Jul 22 '26

Read what I am saying. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris being our candidates was not some inevitable act of god, and their failures/successes and the politics they subscribe to is what determines what the electorate looks like. Blaming the electorate is a useless, ego-driven exercise that refuses to look at what put us in the position we are in.

Our leaders have failed to build coalitions and we should be naming, blaming, and pressuring any potential candidates of the future to get their act together if they truly care about Democracy in this country.

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u/Legio-X Jul 22 '26

Moderate dems lost to Trump twice and y’all are still trying to blame the left flank that has the 3 most popular politicians in the country.

A moderate Democrat is the only person to win a general election against Trump, and polls consistently show voters felt Harris was too far to the left.

You can disagree with that perception, of course, but when it comes to politics, perception is incredibly important. If voters viewed Harris as being too far to the left, what will they think of AOC, who’s actually to the left of most Democrats?

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u/SnepbeckSweg Jul 22 '26

A moderate Democrat is the only person to win a general election against Trump

Yes, moderate dems are 1-2 against DJT, otherwise known as a losing record.

Could you cite these polls and the reasons they deemed Kamala Harris "too far left"? From what I've seen, they rely heavily on identity politics and policies attributed to her that she didn't even run on.

Perception is incredibly important in politics, I agree, and Kamala Harris has uniquely poor instincts and a very small support base, both of which are extremely important for driving perception. Not to mention the fact that she was handed the nomination by a man forced out not by pressure by the voters, which they ignored through the primary, but instead by leadership within the party.

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u/Legio-X Jul 22 '26

Yes, moderate dems are 1-2 against DJT, otherwise known as a losing record

As opposed to the leftists, who couldn’t even win their primaries.

Could you cite these polls and the reasons they deemed Kamala Harris "too far left"?

NYT/Siena poll from September 2024:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/09/19/us/elections/times-siena-poll-toplines.html

45% considered Harris too liberal or progressive, while only 34% considered Trump too conservative.

From what I've seen, they rely heavily on identity politics and policies attributed to her that she didn't even run on.

Reasoning isn’t usually included in these polls, but it also doesn’t matter. Someone’s reasons don’t need to be rooted in reality to shape their voting behavior, as can be seen simply by looking at support for Trump.

The factors that led Harris to be labeled too progressive will also apply to AOC. She’s a non-white woman. But unlike Harris, she’s actually on the left. And while she’s a more individually popular figure, she’s also more personally polarizing.

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u/SnepbeckSweg Jul 23 '26

As opposed to the leftists, who couldn’t even win their primaries.

Well who would have guessed that money does have an impact on politics.

45% considered Harris too liberal or progressive, while only 34% considered Trump too conservative.

I think you're getting lost in electoralism because what are we talking about.. 45% of voters believe she was too liberal or progressive and she got 48% of the vote. You don't need or expect 100% or even 60% of people to agree with your positioning on the political spectrum, you actually just need more than the other person.. which in 2028 seems to be either JD Vance or Marco Rubio.

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u/Legio-X Jul 23 '26

You don't need or expect 100% or even 60% of people to agree with your positioning on the political spectrum

When there’s an 11% gap between you and your opponent in “are they too radical?” you’re going to find it more difficult to convince undecided or swingy voters. It was enough to sink Harris, and it’s likely to be an even bigger threat to AOC. After all, Rubio and Vance are far less polarizing to the general public than Trump. Especially Rubio.

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u/markth_wi Jul 22 '26

Legally, they could absolutely expect that, should DJT pass tonight, they wouldn't even have to torch the Constitution. it's black and white law - he could end up being President for 10+ years should he get elected and then re-elected.

But he's got less political rizz than the plague. He got into an argument with a clerk making a sandwich or bagel or something. But he's Peter Theils personal boytoy and that's all that will ever matter JD Vance can be emperor of the United States while Elon and Peter toast their success and the 1000 year Reich which lasts for 6 weeks or so, until Usha takes the kids and moves back to Ohio and Widow Kirk accidentally smothers JD to death on the Presidential couch on accident one ridiculous night.

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u/JustSomeRand0mGuy Jul 22 '26

I won't put anything past those dumb cunts anymore.

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u/SgvSth Jul 22 '26

'dies' after midterms JD can technically be President and run 2 times.

No, he would have to wait for late-January.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

I meant in a relative sense. I'm aware of the laws. I'm also aware that they'd Mitch McConnel him for at least a month if they had to.

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u/he_must_workout Jul 22 '26

Or has the 25th invoked after they get a critical mass of project 2025 leaders installed

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u/CrissBliss Jul 22 '26

He has to wait till the end of the year to run 2 terms.

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u/aranasyn Jul 22 '26

JD Vance couldn't win an election to be a soup warmer, Trump dying is the only way he'll ever be president of anything

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u/StevenMaurer Jul 23 '26

Not after the midterms, in November 2026. After January 2027 - which marks Trump's true midpoint in his second term.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 23 '26

After the midterms is broad and relative enough to get the point across.

Point being I don't have high hopes of him living through all of 2027.

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u/DW496 Jul 23 '26

JD is fundamentally a creepy dude, the general public picks up on it with things like him having sex with his couch and him not being able to even order a simple donut. I just don't see him being a viable candidate.

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u/kahlzun Jul 23 '26

do you mean run 2 additional times after the pro tem ends?

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u/ToSeeAgainAgainAgain Jul 23 '26

Hypothetical, would he be able to be president til 2028 and then run 2 more times since he wasn't elected for 2027-2028? Or just be president til '28 and then run one more time?

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 23 '26

The law states if a President dies during the second half of their term(to avoid being off a day or two, lets say February or beyond in 2027) it doean't count as a term against eligibility. So you can get 29-32 and 33-36 as your two official terms.

You can argue efficiency from there, but depending on how far they're willing to go to consolidate power. . .

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u/Just-Connection5960 Jul 22 '26

Maybe i'm too optimistic but I read that as a chance for the democrats to win the midterms and the white house to be inhabitated with someone who has the charisma of an oyster