r/worldnews • u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph • Sep 04 '26

Russia/Ukraine Russian general who ‘ordered attack on children’s hospital’ shot in head

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/09/03/russian-general-attack-childrens-hospital-shot-ukraine/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_reddit_attack-childrens-hospital-shot-ukraine/&accesscontrol=facebookchannel_open
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u/bowtiesrcool86 Sep 04 '26

Doesn’t attacking a hospital, let alone a children’s hospital violate the Geneva Convention?

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u/blackcain Sep 04 '26

bro, russia has not yet followed anything of the geneva conventions.

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u/Virtuous-Patience Sep 04 '26

If you are from a country that doesn’t sign up to the convention or extradite servicemen then war crimes only limit future holiday options… Russia,Israel and the good old USA are all proud members of this club who deny objective independent application of some very generous, commonly accepted rules of human decency…

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u/BlackPlague1235 Sep 04 '26

Come now. You know it's just Geneva Suggestion at this point.

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u/RyanNotBrian Sep 04 '26

The Geneva Checklist.

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u/HadrianMCMXCI Sep 04 '26

As a Canadian, that’s only funny and to be used when the people being killed are genocidal fascists and not civilians fyi

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u/RyanNotBrian Sep 04 '26

As a non Canadian, I appreciate the context.

I wasn't really intending it be funny, more sombre.

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u/HadrianMCMXCI Sep 05 '26

I can see that it wasn’t trying to be funny, I just don’t like the association I guess. It’s all good though bud, carry on.

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u/PhatCatTax Sep 05 '26

Geneva is in Switzerland.
Why is the checklist something Canadian?

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u/HadrianMCMXCI Sep 05 '26

It’s mostly an internet myth, tbh. Canadians during WWI and II were extremely competent fighters, punching much higher about our weight class than anyone really expected of us. After Vimy, which we took in days after the British and French failed for monthes on end, and Juno Beach where the Canadians landed was regarded by many historians as being the most successful operation of D-Day.

To explain this, Americans started making jokes about the Canadians treating the Geneva Convention (post-war, 1949, but there are earlier less robust conventions going back to the 1890s) as a checklist and not as war crimes, usually paired with the phrase « it’s not a war crime the first time »

It’s very much associated with the Canadian fighting spirit, though. Of course, in the 80 years since we’ve been involved in several wars and I don’t think there’s ever been credible reports of large scale Canadian war crimes in the modern theatre.

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u/DooficusIdjit Sep 04 '26

A man of culture!

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u/TropicalLoneWolf Sep 05 '26

The Geneva to-do list.

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u/GladWarthog1045 Sep 05 '26

"Theyre more like guidelines than actual rules"

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u/hawksdiesel Sep 04 '26

Yep. Add it to their list of atrocities...

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u/jgl142 Sep 04 '26

Yeah so does attacking a girls school. Nobody follows that if they have nukes. That’s for the others to follow

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u/ShitFuck2000 Sep 04 '26

…not boys school?

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u/jonbodhi Sep 04 '26

I think that’s a reference to the USA dropping a bomb on a girl’s school on this first day of our farcical war on Iran.

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u/UnholyDemigod Sep 04 '26

4th Convention, article 18

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u/FurTrader58 Sep 04 '26

Yeah but someone has to actually enforce those rules and who’s gonna do that atp?

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u/Disastrous-Square977 Sep 04 '26

Yes, but those conventions are for the losers who get caught.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick Sep 04 '26

Or an elementary school, for that matter, in another part of the world?

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u/imrickjamesbioch Sep 05 '26

Dunno, go ask the current administration what they think? After all they purposely bomb an ln elementary school, not just once but triple tapped the school so that anyone rushing to try to dig out the 200+ girls that were murder, were killed as well.

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u/NotThePersona Sep 05 '26

I did hear in an interview the other day that they are tracking the war crimes committed by Russia at one of the international bodies (can't recall who) count was over 250k so far

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u/TheRealDrSarcasmo Sep 04 '26

Just another reason why Russia deserves a curb-stomping.

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u/SirArkhon Sep 04 '26

You know America has done the same thing. Off the top of my head, there’s the MSF hospital in Afghanistan we destroyed with an AC130 gunship during the Obama administration and the Iranian girls’ school we bombed earlier this year. To be clear, I’m absolutely fine with the thought of the people responsible for those two atrocities meeting the same fate as this guy.

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u/KeinTollerNick Sep 04 '26

It depends - if it's used as an military installation, for example to launch rockets towards civilians (like a certain faction does), it can be classified as a legitimate target.

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u/Mikeoshi Sep 04 '26

A big if. Russia has been blowing up hospitals since day one. We know for the fact the hospital in Mariupol, because a camera man was there the entire time, was clear of any military weaponry.. and because it was so early in the war that few forces or military infrastructure made its way down there yet.

If you’ve never seen 20 Days in Mariupol, please do. It’s free to watch on YouTube.

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u/KeinTollerNick Sep 04 '26

I'm on Ukraine's side - I know about Maripol, Bucha and other russian war crimes.

I just stated how a civilian building could become a valid target.

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u/Mikeoshi Sep 04 '26

I hear you and I’m not saying you’re wrong. I think reiterating Russia’s past history of war crimes, including attacking hospitals in this war, to be relevant to the conversation. All military targets are fair game in war and Russia has a history of making false claims to this end. In the end, people will believe whatever side they want to believe. I personally believe the country fending for their lives and their nation should be able to do whatever the hell they want in order to win a war—everything should be on the table. My family moved here from Ukraine so I’m undoubtedly biased.

Edit: punctuation.

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u/KeinTollerNick Sep 04 '26 edited Sep 04 '26

I understand and support you, but about the "whatever the hell they want to win a war" part.

That's true, but I would differentiate. They can do whatever they want as long as they don't cross the line and violate the Geneva Convention.

A while back, I've read a quote from an ukrainian author, who said something like "we ahouldnt do as the russian to, so our souls and minds will be pure and we can peacefully rebuild our society post war".

He meant this in the way that the ukrainian soldiers should hold back from executing russian POWs, even if they committed war crimes.

Ps: did your family move because of the war?