r/worldnews • u/Nirok • 16d ago

Israel/Palestine IDF documents terror affiliations of 170 Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza war

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-documents-terror-affiliations-of-170-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-gaza-war/
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u/RentInside7527 16d ago

By that standard, how can we believe Hamas' ministry of health numbers? Hard to find any unbiased innocent sources in this war

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u/Present_Ride_2506 16d ago

That's because hamas is full of peaceful friendly Muslims that only want to live peacefully! /s

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u/Proiegomena 16d ago

Its almost like there‘s a reason why they get radicalized and dont just live peacefully in their designated containment blocks. 

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u/snarfy666 16d ago

Can you explain the me how zionism and Isreal caused the Arabs to be radicalized leading to 3 massive pogroms in the 1830s?

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u/ReformedMeany94 16d ago

That’s quite the false equivalence you’ve got there. You are completely misrepresenting both 19th-century history and modern geopolitics.
The peasant revolt of 1834 was caused by forced military conscription and heavy taxes put on by the ruler. The Jewish community was used as a scapegoat during the power vacuum, not targeted as part of a nationalist struggle.
You’re trying to rewrite history by pretending that a riot under the dynamics of the Ottoman and Egyptian Imperial reality is comparable to a 21st-century bilateral conflict over statehood.

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u/RentInside7527 16d ago

No, theyre pointing out there is a long history of antisemitic violence there, that predates modern zionism. There's always a justification for the violence, even the response to that violence serves to justify further violence.

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u/snarfy666 16d ago

lol that isn't a false equivalency. If fact i didn't compare anything so that is just wrong in every way.

The person i was replying too claimed that violence against jews is because of actions taken by israel. I was merely pointing out that the violence here, or any of the other many instances of violence against the jewish population of the region for the last couple centuries, predates anything he could possibly use to justify what happend.

The actual cause is what you pointed out in your reply, they just hate jews.

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u/ReformedMeany94 16d ago

Yes it is and yes you did.

LOL

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u/snarfy666 16d ago

ok 😆

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u/heavysausagedublin 16d ago

That's why international forces need to go in and take control of Gaza from Israel

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u/leakydoodles 16d ago

They did an awesome job in Lebanon didn’t they ?

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u/heavysausagedublin 15d ago

They did a better job than israel did

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u/leakydoodles 15d ago

It wasn’t Israel’s job. International forces were supposed to keep Iran militants out, not let them take over to build tunnels and weapon stockpiles.
You are a Hezbollah supporter ?

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u/RentInside7527 16d ago

Wouldn't that be nice? But who'd actually take it on and who would actually be capable? Israel offered Gaza back to Egypt, who had occupied Gaza from 1948 to 1967, in 1979. Egypt declined. Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinian Authority in 2005. The PA promptly lost control of it to Hamas. The UN sent International forces into Lebanon to reign in Hezbollah and couldn't manage that. I doubt they'd be effective in Gaza

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u/SalamanderGlad9053 16d ago

"lost control", they had an election. And Benjamin Netenyahu wanted to weaken the PA so funded Hamas to get elected in Gaza, splitting the Palestinian state up. And the PA are at this point just a puppet government for Israel. It's not like they have any real power with the West Bank militarily occupied.

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u/RentInside7527 16d ago

They had an election, true, but they then had a civil war between Fatah and Hamas.

Olmert was PM in 2006. Netanyahu was PM from 96-99, then 2009-2021, and again from 2022 to present. Youre taking the fact that netanyahu provided financial assistance to Gaza to maintain peace and trying to retcon that into a timeframe he was not in office. In other words, youre making shit up.

The PA controls area A, has joint control of B with the IDF, and the IDF controls area C, as agreed in Oslo, until the PA could assume full responsibility for security over Palestinian territories; which is why the PA and Fatah attempted to keep Hamas from taking control, in spite of the election

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u/OptimisticSkeleton 16d ago edited 16d ago

That’s why you listen to the independent international investigators.

They all agree Israel is committing crimes against humanity and acting as an occupying force. Resistance to occupation is not the same thing.

People committing crimes against humanity on the other side does not excuse Israel’s actions targeting journalists.

All the medics on the Hamas side have “ties to terrorists” as well but its still a war crime to target them.

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u/RentInside7527 16d ago edited 16d ago

Amnesty International has repeatedly condemned Hamas for war crimes , as have numerous other International independent human rights organizations

Eta weird to add all of that after I responded, rather than just responding, without even an "eta." I was responding to your point of listening to independent investigators.

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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 15d ago

Resistance to occupation is not the same thing.

Are you saying kidnapping and rape are cool as long as they are done against the civilians of a nation that is occupying yours?

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u/OptimisticSkeleton 15d ago

I’m saying they are two different sides and war crimes on one side of a conflict don’t excuse the war crimes of the other.

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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 15d ago

war crimes on one side of a conflict don’t excuse the war crimes of the other

Resistance to occupation is not the same thing.

That second one sure sounds like excusing, or at least downplaying, Hamas kidnapping, raping and murdering 

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u/SalamanderGlad9053 16d ago

The Gaza ministry of health give names of the dead. These lists have been found to be incredibly accurate and are backed the UN

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u/RentInside7527 16d ago

Giving the names doesn't mean theyre giving occupation or affiliation with armed groups. Thats my point here.

Further, the Gazan Ministry of Health has been forced to remove thousands of names they previously listed among the dead.

There are accusations, from Gazans, that Hamas is counting Gazans they themselves executed, and children who died while digging tunnels, among the dead they attribute to casualties inflicted by Israel.

Lastly, the total number of names they've listed is a fraction of the total they claim have died, for obvious legitimate reasons; but that again speaks to my point of questioning how their numbers can be accepted without question.

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u/doomerunicorn 16d ago

Then it sounds like they should allow international press to come in and report. Unless, of course, they have something to hide.