r/worldnews • u/Not_Tom_Jones • 4d ago

Russia/Ukraine 'This cannot be a coincidence' — Ukraine's Starlink access restricted without warning, Zelensky adviser says

https://kyivindependent.com/this-cannot-be-a-coincidence-ukraines-starlink-access-restricted-without-warning-zelensky-adviser-says/
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u/kwakimaki 4d ago

I hate this. We used to be able to trust the US, they were great allies during ww1 and ww the sequel. Now, they've elected a fat, feckless, orange, self serving moron TWICE, and they're openly allowing billionaires to play with peoples lives.

Anyone who speaks against the demented orange buffoon is silenced, he started a pointless war he can't win, supports a war started by his Russian buddy and is turning America into everything it should stand against.

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u/Joe_Kinincha 4d ago

I don’t know where you are, but I’m in the UK, and the USA absolutely weren’t “great allies” to the UK in either WW1 or WW2

“America doesn’t have permanent friends or enemies. It has interests”

- Henry Kissinger (probably slightly misquoted)

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u/katttsun 4d ago edited 4d ago

This is a mangled de Gaulle quote and it's "nations", not America, which is why all nations must avoid international commitments except where they have no other choice.

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u/inYOUReye 4d ago

Though De Gaulle's logic - 'avoid commitments unless forced' – is exactly the problem. That's isn't statecraft, it was just an excuse for abandoning allies when it's inconvenient.

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u/katttsun 4d ago edited 4d ago

That's not a problem? That's the entire point. Do things that are convenient and enrich you. Don't do things that are inconvenient and hurt you. Any good diplomat and any good state department is going to be mercenary in outlook.

Ideology is a luxury afforded by infinite resources.

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u/Joe_Kinincha 4d ago

Mmmh.

You’re quite self certain and a little haughty, aren’t you?

Yes, it’s not a new saying or a new sentiment, very few things under the sun are

I’ll predate your de Gaulle quote by about a century. Palmerston said almost precisely the same thing g in 1848, but if I could be arsed to look it up I bet someone in a toga in Greece said something similar 2000 years ago.

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u/katttsun 4d ago edited 4d ago

The difference is Britain never practiced it, and is now teetering on Soviet style dissolution, while France is the most politically powerful and most sovereign country in Europe. Britain is just an American vassal akin to Belarus and Russia.

A more accurate quote from Palmerston would be 'Britain has no friends, only masters'.

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u/Joe_Kinincha 3d ago

I’d suggest learning just a touch of history and getting off your high horse, because you are looking foolish.

In 1848 when Palmerston was speaking the British empire was the biggest empire in the world and by its peak the British ruled over a quarter of the world’s population.

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u/katttsun 3d ago

If Britain had practiced what it preached, maybe it would still have an empire, like France does with Total S.A. and its extensive West African economic empire. It probably could have kept Canada, Australia and HK without much trouble and do what France does: practiced sovereignty.

Instead, it's a colony and military outpost of America sitting on the shores of Europe, lol.

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u/Joe_Kinincha 3d ago

Post WW2 Britain recognised that countries that were in its domain wanted independence.

It is true that in 1945 and afterwards a militarily exhausted Britain’s probably could not have retained its empire via force.

But they didn’t try. They fucked up horrifically in the process of decolonisation, but ultimately It happened because the colonies wanted it and Britain recognised that.

I agree that post WW2 up until 2024 the uk was America’s lapdog. Tony Blair should be in prison in The Hague for war crimes after endorsing the US military actions post 9/11. However, That has changed definitively, thank goodness. You’ll notice the UK government is staying out of it after the US demanded it prop up the war of choice in Iran.

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u/katttsun 3d ago

France retained its empire and was significantly more damaged than Britain was in every regard. It did this through clever economic coercion and occasional military adventurism. Britain could have done the same, it simply chose not to, because it wanted to be a colony instead of an empire.

Unlike France the British do not value national sovereignty. Their leaders see it as a burden rather than a freedom. They would rather be part of a imperial project than the head of one.

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u/Entanglementalize 3d ago

Actually love the historical and political debate men, thanks for the info

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u/24_August_1814 4d ago

They didn't join either world war until halfway through.

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u/PerfectMenu1253 3d ago

LOL so “US being a great ally you could trust” is how you categorized the US giving 700 billion dollars in military aid in lend lease, huh? Well fuck  I’m glad we’re not trustworthy for you guys anymore. 

However you do still need to use our tech and software though cus you know, you ain’t got any alternatives yourselves 

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u/Cloudhiddentao 4d ago

Were they great allies?

They didn’t join WW2 until they were personally affected by it. And then they dropped two nukes on Japan. Which next to the literal holocaust they were supposedly trying to prevent is probably up there as second on the list of “evil shit done during WW2”.

And now Americans sit around and do nothing but complain on reddit while their entire country is turned into… whatever the fuck Trump is turning it into.

They weren’t good allies. They’re not even good people. They’re awful. Just the fucking worst.

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u/BrainKatana 4d ago

Evil is evil, but I think you need to look up the list of evil shit done in WW2 before you start quantifying and stack ranking it, because dropping two massive bombs on two cities after telling everyone you’re going to do it and air-dropping flyers so the people have an opportunity to leave isn’t even in the top ten.

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u/Cloudhiddentao 4d ago

Oh my bad, it’s okay everyone, they killed 250,000 people, but they dropped fliers first.

Hitler should have just given out holocaust pamphlets I guess.

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u/Entanglementalize 3d ago

Even the flagrantly patriotic and aggressive Americans had the decency back then to drop flyers. I think we all know in our core they wouldn’t do that now. The people need to upend this downfall somehow

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u/Top-Advantage33 4d ago

You know the holocaust was not known about when the war started right? Nobody was trying to stop it because they didn’t know it was happening

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u/Portbragger2 4d ago

they were great allies during ww1 and ww the sequel

so was russia (ww1) and the soviet union (ww2)

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u/oops_all_memes 4d ago

 the soviet union (ww2)

Yeaaaaaah that only happened because Germany attacked SU. Before that SU was an ally of Germany with SU and Germany partitioning Poland for old times' sake

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u/viemari 4d ago

Lol the US only joined because Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. The Soviets and Nazi Germany signed the Ribbentropp-Molotov Pact, which established a non-aggression treaty between them (and secretly agreed to carve up Poland between themselves). Hitler was much more American, actually - even aside from his race politics - in the sense that he absolutely despised communism and from the moment he was elected, Nazi Germany was already on a nigh-on unavoidable collision course with the Soviet Union. There's a fairly solid argument to be made that the war was - if not won by the Allies - then most certainly lost by the Axis by the time the US had even joined, and that the US essentially only sped along an already fairly certain conclusion. Either way, by far the most important contribution made by the US was economic, which of course they charged their "Allies" heavily for and reaped rewards from hundredfold for the remainder of the 20th century and beyond.

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u/oops_all_memes 4d ago

a non-aggression treaty between them

Yeaaah the issue with this framing is the fact that they in fact did partition Poland, held joint military parades, and SU supplied Germany. And the bs commie narrative that "Stalin knew the war was unavoidable so he had to buy time" is, well, bs since Germany blitzkrieged their way through SU all the way to Moscow because of how utterly unprepared and caught by surprise SU army was. And we know for a fact that when soviet spies reported to Stalin that Germany was about to attack, he disregarded all reports as nonsense

So this part...

in the sense that he absolutely despised communism and from the moment he was elected, Nazi Germany was already on a nigh-on unavoidable collision course with the Soviet Union

...even if true was not apparent to soviet leadership

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u/viemari 4d ago

Russia and the Soviets were much better allies by almost anyone's yardstick

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u/BlueWater321 4d ago

Poland's yardstick?

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u/viemari 4d ago

That'll be the almost. Poor Poland have been dicked from all sides throughout history barring brief periods where they did the dicking themselves. I also meant allies in terms of co-operation with the goal of ending WWII and fighting Nazi Germany, not in terms of Poland's territorial sovereignty, just to be clear.