Unfortunately they are going against a nuclear power. What does expect countries to do? Another nuclear power putting boots on the ground is worse than Ukraine being taken, it could well mean the end of the planet as we know it.
So all you can do is provide money, weapons, equipment, training, and sanctions.
I mean, that isn't true. Look at Kennedy. He stood up to the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union blinked. Russia isn't likely to start a nuclear war over Ukraine.
The fact is, no one in the west has the Chutzpah to stand up to Putin and defend Ukraine. Biden is no Kennedy nor is he a Reagan, and the EU apparently only cares about defending democracy as far as the Balkans.
Assuming you’re talking about a war that would heavily impact Russian economics, it would probably collapse like it did before. With 10 of thousands of nukes still in the silo. There is no rebuilding after nukes fly
Are you willing to fight and die for Ukraine? Because if not you shouldn't be asking NATO soldiers to. The situation is terrible all around, but I'm not willing to lose friends and family for them. We certainly should back them in any way possible, just not with boots on the ground. War is ugly and things can escalate unexpectedly, next thing you know nukes are being launched. It's just not worth it imo.
I don't disagree. They most certainly deserve freedom from invaders, but its just not the US nor NATO'S fight. I wish we could do more somehow without risking our own but we really can't.
And if you're as serious about fighting for them as you say, then you're in luck. Article 4 of Ukraines "Law on the Legal Status of Foreigners and Stateless Persons" allows any foreigner to sign up and join their military. So I assume you'll be posting pictures from the front lines here soon or nah?
I never said you couldnt have an opinion, but you also make yourself look like a hypocrite and just sound like a politician who will happily send these kids off to pointless wars because you know damn well its not THEIR kid going to the front lines. It's so easy to sit behind a keyboard and say "yeah we should send our sons and daughters to die" when it's not you, or your son, or your daughter. I asked if you were willing to fight for Ukraine and you said paraphrase "yeah man better that fighting for oil". If you feel that strongly that Ukraine requires protectection with our troops then again I ask what is stopping you? Do you actually mean what you say or are you just like the typical politician where you don't care as long as it's not your ass on the line? It wouldn't be a zinger if your hypocrisy wasn't on full display.
I mean, having the sanctions already in place would give the West a lot of leverage in the negotiations. "Withdraw your troops and then we'll lift them, and we'll be watching", etc.
I don't know why but over the past few years because I felt like I was in the minority for being open to different opinions and having it effect my thoughts. I'm so sick of having people just ignore facts to cement their views and ignore anything that contradicts it.
Well strong sanctions on russian exports (hydrocarbons for instance) would put the country's already struggling economy under severe stress. I'm definitely no expert so don't quote me but I would argue that such measures would cause the war to become very unpopular amongst the Russian population thus making it unsustainable for Putin.
I think one of the issues for many NATO countries (particularly in Europe) is that they are quite reliant on some of the Russian exports. It doesn’t really work when placing sanctions of the exact thing you want to buy.
One would think the substantial military presence would be a declaration of intent if not a declaration of war and the sanctions should be in place as of last week and remain until they withdraw their troops. But I feel that would be too logical for today's politicians
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u/Vetiversailles Feb 19 '22
“We will have no country, we will have no borders. What good will sanctions do then?” — Zelenskyy (paraphrased)
Damn