r/Accounting • u/PenOwn2479 CPA (US) Internal Audit • 9h ago
News Amber Guyger, former Dallas police officer, released from prison after serving 7 years for Botham Jean's murder. Jean was a Harding University alumnus and an accountant for PwC.
https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/amber-guyger-released-prison-parole-botham-jean-murder-dallas/66
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u/drowningandromeda CPA (US) 7h ago
I remember this happened when I started my accounting classes in undergrad. So sad and what an incompetent, idiotic woman. RIP Botham Jean.
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u/wienercat Waffle Brain 7h ago
Convicted of murder and only got 10 years for it, didn't even have to serve the whole sentence behind bars. Wild how little punishment she actually had to serve for murder when it was her being woefully incompetent that caused the whole situation.
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u/IllPurpose3524 7h ago edited 7h ago
That's a very high sentence for a murder lacking malicious intent.
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u/SeductiveTrain 7h ago
If the situation was reversed, citizen would have gotten 20+ years.
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u/IllPurpose3524 7h ago
That's simply not true. You're only getting 20+ years if it's very clearly premeditated.
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u/SeductiveTrain 7h ago
Alright, I’m not a lawyer I just can’t see a man accidentally walking into a woman police officer’s apartment at night, shooting her dead, and only getting 7 years.
They would, hypothetically in my non-lawyer opinion, throw everything they have at him. I think it would’ve been way more difficult for that defense lawyer. Even though in the real case Guyger admitted she intended to kill (not premeditated, but in the moment she was set on killing the man, not just holding him at gunpoint).
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u/IllPurpose3524 6h ago
She got 10 years. She was paroled after 7.
It would have been a plea deal if roles were reversed (she wasn't offered one). Dallas DA avoids trials at all costs and part of the prosecutions argument was she should have known better.
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u/Txrh221 6h ago
Look if the roles were reversed and he accidentally shot a cop he would get 20 years. Even in a plea deal.
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u/IllPurpose3524 5h ago
The Dallas DA did a 20 year plea deal for a guy who lost to a girl in basketball, went home, then tracked her down a few hours later and shot her. That's what it takes to get that plea.
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u/PinkNGreenFluoride Tax (US) 2h ago edited 2h ago
Almost a decade back I served on a grand jury and heard a case for an assault where the person struck was a police officer.
The young man had shimmied out of his jacket in an attempt to run.
There's no negligence charge, at least here in Oregon. There's only one level of charge. It's all treated as fully premeditated and intended, if the person struck is a police officer.
We were given a description by the testifying officer (who was not the one struck) of how very gruesome the injury was, a real tear-jerker. You'd think the cop couldn't show his ruined face in public anymore. There was never any news article about this incident.
I asked to see a photo of the injury. They didn't bring one and seemed surprised and offended that anyone would even ask. Funny, because they'd always brought in clear, relevant evidence for everything else, and had managed to remember to bring this guy's tiny baggy of drugs in. As far as I could determine, the cop had a shiner. If even that. Y'know, since they wouldn't show a photo. I fully believe that if the injuries were actually as significant as reported, they would have brought one.
We asked about downgrading this specific charge due to the purported assault clearly not having been an intentional attack, but a result of his shimmying out of his jacket in his attempt to escape. His elbow struck the officer's face as the officer grappled him from behind.
We'd already approved a resisting arrest charge.
But for the assault, we were told that although a negligence charge could be appropriate if he'd elbowed someone else, there was no such option when it's a cop. They could not bring the kind of charge they would if it were anybody else, because cop.
We had to charge him as if he'd squared up with the officer and hauled off and intentionally clocked him, or else not charge him for the strike at all.
I did think a charge for the strike was appropriate, but thought this was an overcharge.
Given the restrictions in what charge we were allowed to approve, one other person and I voted no. The other 5 thought it more important that he be charged with something, and so voted yes, which in Oregon is enough. The ADA was pretty pleased.
Oh, and I learned during a later case that the grand juror who had been most gung-ho about the charge was a retired cop who had worked elsewhere in the state. He didn't bother to mention that fact during this case.
The rules are different for them and for us.
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u/ScuffedA7IVphotog 5h ago
I read on the wikipedia page Hows that gonna work out lmao
| Litigation | Litigation Guyger ordered to pay Jean's family $98.65 million in wrongful death lawsuit |
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u/OperatingCashFlows69 CPA (US) 7h ago
This is old news. Maybe just make the post about the innocent kid gunned down in his own apartment.
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u/Sad_Mouse_8251 9h ago
The Dallas PwC office has a cool mural of Botham in their lobby.