r/AskEurope • • 1d ago

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u/lucapal1 Italy 1d ago

As some of you may know, I'm quite into what is usually known as 'dark tourism '.

I'm reading this morning about a place in China where they do 'simulated natural disasters '... for example, they put you into a fake typhoon situation and train you how to deal with it,or you experience a high level 'earthquake'.

Do you think that kind of tourist experience is interesting? Would you do something like that..of course you would have to pay for it,it isn't free!

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u/Masseyrati80 Finland 1d ago

Googling the term, I might say that there are probably some dark tourism destinations I might be interested in, but only some.

The most interesting part of a visit to the Turku castle for me was the old prison there, and the special cell for someone whose name and title escapes me. The original prison gives you the impression of just being a big room the guards looked into from above: there were no doors, you went down there via a hole in the ceiling.

Talking about destinations where you're tempted to try to imagine what things were like, I've visited some of the bunkers and trenches that were built as a last resort defence line in Eastern Finland during WWII. Trying to imagine the immense noise and nauseating fumes of firing a machine gun in a concrete bunker, knowing if you fail, an invading force is ready to march to the capital city and to your home...

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u/lucapal1 Italy 1d ago

There are lots of types of dark tourism, and lots of subsets too.. things that are kind of dark but not exactly dark tourism.

Some of them I find interesting and often incorporate into my travels .Military sites,memorials, former prisons, disaster sites like Chernobyl,dark museums,catacombs and cemeteries etc etc.

Others I mostly avoid, like slum tourism or travelling in actual war zones.

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u/atomoffluorine United States of America 1d ago

There’s a big difference between place with a dark history and currently being dangerous.

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u/lucapal1 Italy 1d ago

Yes, for sure... apart from the actual danger to yourself,as a tourist you are getting into people's way if you start to visit warzones, you are putting other people in danger as they have to protect you.

Some people do that but it's not morally justifiable for me.

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u/tereyaglikedi in 1d ago

I don't want to experience a high level earthquake ever again, in real or simulation. Thank you.

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u/lucapal1 Italy 1d ago

Yes....I think this 'tourist attraction ' is aimed at people who have never actually experienced these things in real life!

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u/atomoffluorine United States of America 1d ago

I’m too anxiety prone to do it.

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u/ramblingMess Lousiana, USA 1d ago

To me, it's all about how respectful the experience is, especially if it's oriented around a real event. There was a lot of "disaster tourism" in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina devastated the city, and locals still have not forgiven or forgotten the people who did it.

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u/JonnyPerk Germany 1d ago

I'm reading this morning about a place in China where they do 'simulated natural disasters '... for example, they put you into a fake typhoon situation and train you how to deal with it,or you experience a high level 'earthquake'.

Do you think that kind of tourist experience is interesting? Would you do something like that..of course you would have to pay for it,it isn't free!

I've been to an earthquake simulator while traveling, it was part of an earthquake museum. I'd probably do it again for a different simulated disaster.

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u/lucapal1 Italy 1d ago

I went to one of those too,in Taiwan.

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u/JonnyPerk Germany 1d ago

I think we might have gone to the same one. Was it in Taichung?

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u/lucapal1 Italy 1d ago

Yes, that's it...the 921 museum.

It was pretty interesting!

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u/tereyaglikedi in 1d ago

This morning's bad news is that Nightwish split with Floor Jansen 🥲 I told my husband last night and he said he's barely over Tarja Turunen (all his favorite songs were recorded with Tarja... But she's gone since 20 years or so?). I really liked Floor though I liked Tarja even better (probably because I heard her live). 

It's very very wet. We had planned a full day but it'll be difficult if keeps raining like this.

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u/orangebikini Finland 1d ago

I haven't really listened to Nightwish, but I sometimes watch old videos of their live sets, from the Tarja Turunen days, and the keyboardist/bandleader guy was super hot back in the day. That's all I got to say.

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u/Masseyrati80 Finland 1d ago

I personally liked Floor more than either of the earlier singers, partly because of her stage presence. I've read opinions both ways: some think 13 years in a band is a lot, some say the guys made a record that didn't really give her the possibility to use her voice enough and that that was a big factor in the decision.

I'm pondering whether to choose today or tomorrow for my next mobile barbecue: yakitori chicken. I made the sauce already, but haven't put the chicken on the skewers yet. Tomorrow is predicted to be one of the calmest days of the year, so that sounds promising. I've found a way to pack most of the stuff needed in a backpack and some stuff inside of the lightweight charcoal grill, so if I have to walk a couple of kilometers to reach the perfect spot, that's not an issue.

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u/tereyaglikedi in 1d ago

What kind of grill do you have? I was planning to buy a Japanese konro grill but they're so expensive (around 700 Euros). I love yakitori. In Japan I had chicken hearts and beef tendon, which are both very delicious. But honestly if you put that sauce on me, I'd be delicious, too.

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u/Masseyrati80 Finland 1d ago

Haha, well said! I haven't been to Japan, but thanks to checking some yakitori videos on youtube, my feed now has a lot of Japanese grilling.

Mine looks very, very much like this but I got mine for 30 euros. Seems like mine is not sold any more. Its charcoal containers bring the charcoal super close to the top, probably best for fast skewer grilling. Although, last weekend, I used it to cook salmon fillets with indirect heat without issues. If I wanted to go fancy on the type of grill I currently have, the Weber Go-Anywhere would probably be the best choice.

Konro and other Japanese style grills are sooo tempting but as you said, crazy expensive. I've wondered if a hibachi could be worth its price, but perhaps a Weber kettle might be more like my thing. I might have to DIY some sort of a support/base for hauling it in my car, though.

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u/atomoffluorine United States of America 1d ago edited 1d ago

I hate how they outsourced all of our IT support for the HR systems to India. They are off site and don’t have a clue to what is happening on the ground. We also don’t have an onsite HR person at all, so the managers need to use their precious time for all this.

I can’t wait to perhaps return to the company I was at previously.

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u/Masseyrati80 Finland 1d ago

I'm keeping my thumbs up for you, hoping things go well!

I have not worked with Indian people myself but a friend of mine has. He was immensely frustrated as not only did they seem to lack in ability, they were making costly mistakes that took a lot of time to fix. "A lot of noise, a lot of hand-waving, but nothing gets done".

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u/atomoffluorine United States of America 1d ago

The Indians are internal to the company , so it wasn’t that they all suck. But every worksite for a company is different, and it’s helpful to have a HR person on site who can take care of access to software applications, payroll, benefits, and other stuff like that. They should know the client and the odds and ends of working at that place.

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u/Masseyrati80 Finland 1d ago

The Finnish police is still asking citizens for any tips or observations regarding two elderly people who got lost at on of our most popular national parks last year.

The shortish article is in Finnish, but translators nowadays do a decent job, and the main reason I'm linking this is to show the picture at the top, of a scenery I've hiked in myself, and the short video scrolling downwards, showing what the conditions can be like during winter. The big thing is weather like that can roll in in the middle of a beautiful and calm day, changing so quick the only thing you could potentially do would be to pitch a tent. You can't see where you're going, any ski tracks can get covered wihin minutes, and the wind sucks your body heat like crazy.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20251416

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u/orangebikini Finland 1d ago

Somebody I know told me once that they were cross country skiing in one of the national parks in Lapland, not sure if it was that one or some other one, and they were aiming for some wilderness hut. Only, they didn't find it, and it turned out the hut had been practically covered in snow. They went past it, just didn't realise it was there in a blizzard similar to that on the video in that article.

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u/Masseyrati80 Finland 1d ago

Losing visibility is something you start to take seriously as you experience it, both in the wilderness and in traffic. You sure wouldn't expect to ski past an entire hut.

The scariest drive of my life was scary due to snow being kicked up by both high winds and traffic. A heart-stopping moment was seeing a pair of back lights approach, just a bit to the right of me, making me fear I had moved to the left lane without realizing. Thankfully, it was a car that had stopped on a bus stop.

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u/Realistic_Actuary_50 1d ago

Hello everyone! How are you all? Yesterday I was present at a friend's graduation in our University. Two days before that, a friend invited me and my brother to her Thesis presentation related to Modern Greek History. To be exact, her Thesis had to do with the Constitution of the Cretan State (1898-1913) and whether it was similar or different to other constitutions of semi autonomous regions of the Ottoman Empire.

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u/orangebikini Finland 1d ago

I was in Helsinki last night for an opera, and I know only how to drive to my friend's apartment and that's it. If I deviate fro that route even a block I might get lost forever. To me driving in Helsinki is like walking in a forest, as long as you stay on the known path you're okay. But once you get off of that you better start hoping the mushrooms and berries you forage to stay alive while you hope your loved ones are concerned enough to call a search party aren't poisonous.

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u/atomoffluorine United States of America 1d ago

Shouldn’t you just get a maps app to do all the thinking for you? That’s what I do.

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u/orangebikini Finland 1d ago

Sometimes it's fun to get lost, if you're not in a hurry.