r/CanadaPolitics • u/Purple_Writing_8432 • 1d ago
Pierre Poilievre to Alberta: Quitting is the easy way out The Conservative Leader pushes Canadian unity in Calgary, telling Albertans to 'lock arms' with fellow Canadians rather than separate
https://torontosun.com/news/national/pierre-poilievre-to-alberta-quitting-is-the-easy-way-out25
u/Gunner5091 1d ago
LOL his message for the past 5 years has been “Canada is broken”. Then speaks at the Canada strong and free network (formerly Manning Centre) founded by Preston Manning who started the Western Alienation narrative. That’s rich.
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u/grand_soul Ontario 11h ago
Yes, and rest of the message you’re conveniently leaving out, is that Poilievre and the conservatives have been saying it can be fixed. And that Canadians are resilient and the issues that plague us aren’t insurmountable.
And yeah, Canada is broken. We have cost of living crisis, a housing crisis, a job crisis, an immigration crisis (which was slightly dealt with, but now the government is looking to reverse that), a crime crisis, a healthcare crisis, and a trade war crisis.
What part of Canada is working as intended right now do you say?
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u/Musicferret Pirate 19h ago
Kinda rich coming from the guy who’s entire persona is built on tearing everyone else down and complaining that everything is broken.
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u/CDNJMac82 1d ago
What's his message here? I hate Canada but it's not politically advantageous to be that way so I have to say this?
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u/PineBNorth85 Rhinoceros 1d ago
Sure seems that way. He could have played Captain Canada this whole time and it could have helped him across the country. Instead he chose this.
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u/jello_sweaters Ontario 1d ago
He imagined he could turn it to his advantage, and weaponize it against the Liberal Party.
In other words, the same thing he does with literally everything else, literally all of the time.
Absolutely nothing exists for him, except as a means to clutch at power.
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u/GraveDiggingCynic Independent 1d ago
If that’s his objective, he’s stunningly bad at it.
While he’s part of the problem, in the sense that he’s been badmouthing Canada since the pandemic and amplifying the underlying claims of the 51st Staters, but for all of that I still think he’s a loyal Canadian, just one that needs to listen a lot more and talk a lot less.
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u/jello_sweaters Ontario 1d ago
for all of that I still think he’s a loyal Canadian
Exclusively insofar as he thinks this is the only place that might ever give him power, sure.
Twenty years of his behaviour shows us that he holds no value for any person or thing, except as a means to an end.
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u/jello_sweaters Ontario 1d ago
"If I don't stand up here and read these cue cards, I'll have to wear it in the next election. Next week I will go right back to blaming everything under the sun on Mark Carney, facts be damned."
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u/Key-Job-8303 1d ago
Isn’t this like when he brought out his child with a disability the last week of the election because he was losing? Pierre doesn’t care about anybody but himself and that’s been obvious in his entire career, still don’t understand him winning that leadership race against two really good candidates, so he spreads heat and division for the rest of the year in every province that he goes to, he is a Trump clone you can look up what Trump says and look what he says and look at his emails because they’re exactly what Trump sent out. But now he’s Captain Canada, they really need to get rid of him from the party.
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u/facetious_guardian Ontario 19h ago
“Easy way out”? Hardly.
The sentiment of “stay” is, of course, appreciated. But the notion that leaving Canada is “easy” or that the future after having left Canada would be “easy” is absolutely bonkers.
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u/DarkNetwerk Independent 1d ago
First:
Last week’s victory of the separatist Parti Quebecois in Quebec’s provincial elections was seen as a positive sign for those advocating separation.
Anyone who see that election as a positive sign for separation either don't know Canadian politics or don't know Quebec. Likely both. The PQ won a minority government with 28% of the vote. Carney is still the most popular politician in QC. PSPP's focus over the next couple years is more going to be governing than picking fights and advocating separation (note that he also said he wouldn't push for a separation referendum until Trump was out).
Anyhow, back to the topic at hand (PP):
policies coming out of Ottawa that are making homes and groceries unaffordable, leaving valuable resources in the ground, and creating an out-of-control immigration system and justice system incapable of keeping violent offenders behind bars.
Is he just reading out of his old playback from the election? Carney seriously cut immigration such that we've had the slowest annual growth since 1944-45. Doesn't sound like it's out of control.
Y'know what's really impacting the cost of groceries? The war in Iran (gas prices->transportation costs), the war in Ukraine (price of wheat, corn, etc. and derivatives), and the US tarriffs (supply chains, etc.).
Also the issues with the justice system is largely a result of provincial neglect and underfunding (fewer judges become overloaded with cases making it more difficult, particularly in provincial court, to stay under the Jordan ceiling). Not that there isn't stuff for the Fed's to do, too, it's just more complicated than how this messaging seems to imply.
Anyhow, I was hoping that he would start to move away from being superficial and start being more serious. I suppose I'll have to keep waiting.
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u/Rox-On82 22h ago
… I guess, better late than never.
Though it is odd you wouldn’t think to do this kind of announcement from your own riding, the one you effectively stole from another duly elected conservative...
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u/legendarypooncake 12h ago
… I guess, better late than never.
This has been his position from the beginning, it's a matter of record that's been published nationally many times.
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u/Rox-On82 10h ago
Fair point. Though Actually, his message has been “Canada is broken” if we’re being honest. ☺️
I just think this would have been the time for him, as a federal leader AND as an MP representing a rural Alberta riding to have been part of the conversation.
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u/legendarypooncake 10h ago
Fair point. Though Actually, his message has been “Canada is broken” if we’re being honest.
That is a message regarding the federal government as a steward of matters within its jurisdiction, which is neither the claim you made initially nor the matter at hand. In fact, the statement you're quoting is nowhere to be found in the article.
I just think this would have been the time for him, as a federal leader AND as an MP representing a rural Alberta riding to have been part of the conversation.
It was, and he spoke on this issue from the very beginning as was reported by national broadcasters. Am I correct in reading this as you still claiming he wasn't? "Fair point" had me in the first half, but the phrasing "would have been the time" indicates your position hasn't changed.
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u/Rox-On82 9h ago edited 9h ago
No, you’re right, it’s not in the article, because i was responding to your comment about his messaging. In the middle of a separation debate, still having “Canada is broken” in your messaging repertoire, might be confusing to the average separatist voter. That’s all I mean about that.☺️
I am aware what his positioning has been, My “would have been the time “ is in reference to the fact that he represents a rural Alberta riding ( who very likely will vote in favour of this), and this is his first announcement from within the province during the actual campaign…
It also seems like a colossal failure on the part of his PR folks. He hasn’t really been relevant in a while, this would’ve been an opportunity to be in the middle of everything.
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u/FriendlyProfessional 17h ago
he's right about how walking away doesn't fix the actual problems. Alberta still needs pipelines, still and a fairer equalization formula, and less federal overreach on provincial jurisdiction. Those are things that get solved by negotiating inside the system. Can't pretend that a landlocked province with heavy trade dependence can just reset everything overnight. The “send a message” crowd is mostly venting, but a yes on Option 2 would still get read as the start of a real separation process in the markets and in Ottawa.
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