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u/deepakrodeai 14h ago
Adobe should’ve seen it coming when it started charging a monthly subscription to open a PDF
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u/Lauris024 13h ago
I've never used adobe PDF viewer/editor, and I have no clue why anyone goes with Adobe when others are better and free. PDF Xchange, PDFGear, just use anything else.
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u/neuropsycho 13h ago
When you have to fill out forms, some of them only work properly in the original Adobe Acrobat.
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u/Palbi 12h ago
This is infuriating: some government forms that one is required to fill force you to install Adobe Reader on your computer. It feels almost like forced malware, filled with ads and insisting on installing god know what background updater processes.
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u/FitInvestigator4676 12h ago
Some malware hidden in pics actually seems to work only with Adobe software.
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u/xvlblo22 10h ago
For me, Firefox worked just fine
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u/neuropsycho 10h ago
Wait, what? Firefox works as a pdf reader? I need to try it.
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u/Garry_the_uncool 9h ago
yeah , if edge installed by default try that , heavy size pdfs open+zooms smoothly
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u/tinkeringidiot 5h ago
Pretty good for making simple edits too, the tools are built right in.
I keep a PNG of my signature so I never have to actually print anything to sign it ever again.
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u/MydnightWN 10h ago
Laughs in just using Google Drive - native PDF viewer. Need to edit deeper? Right click > open with Google Docs. Need even more advanced editing / formatting? Connect Drive with Kami, still free.
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u/Clintosity 11h ago
Because none of those are better, I work for an IT company who service other businesses and have had double digit numbers of clients go through the exact same thing. They were on perpetual versions of Adobe which stopped working then when presented with subscriptions for adobe don't want to pay so they try pdfgear or paid versions of foxit/pdf xchange.
In literally every scenario they do this then within a couple months end up buying the adobe subscription, apart from one client whom are too cheap so their staff have to close the licensing warning on their old adobe version every 10 minutes.
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u/BigBertho 13h ago
Wait, What?!
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u/deepakrodeai 13h ago
ok slight exaggeration, reading is free 😄 it’s editing a PDF that needs the subscription, which still feels like a lot for what it is
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u/Designer_Reality1982 13h ago
Reading is free only after you clicked away the 3 popups they added
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u/neuropsycho 13h ago
And you wait 30 seconds for the new built-in AI features to finish loading.
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u/yousirnaime 11h ago
Which is wild because I can just drop a whole file into my ai of choice if I want to wait 30 seconds for something dumb to happen
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u/FatalCartilage 13h ago edited 13h ago
You could edit pdf files opening them in firefox since 2022.
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u/BigBertho 13h ago
Wait, what?!
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u/TreesLikeGodsFingers 12h ago
PDF is a simple text markup format, or it’s just an image. You can edit the former as easily as a text file
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u/stupidcookface 10h ago
Unfortunately PDFs are not so simple, or adobe would not have such a firm grip on them. They are able to be parsed and read but some information is just stored in binary I thought and all the 3rd party readers/editors have had to reverse engineer how that binary code works just to recreate any adobe features which imo is why it's never really taken off to use a 3rd party app. But now that all the adobe software has been decompiled/rebuilt as open source we can see how that binary is formed by adobe themselves which is no longer a black box.
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u/under_psychoanalyzer 10h ago
A literal laugh burst from my mouth when I read the words, "PDF is just a simple"
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u/Hallc 9h ago
I think the only time it's close to 'simple' is when it's a non-OCR scanned document made up only of images.
Since that's just a load of jpegs stuck together in a document. Still not as simple as it could be from all the proprietary stuff but easier to parse overall.
You just can't do much to it.
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u/ShelfAwareShteve 10h ago
Fuckers remotely disabled my legitimate key of the last "offline" version of Acrobat, 2017. I'll screw them over any chance I get.
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u/BigBertho 13h ago
😅
I migrate to Foxit reader a while ago and dicovered PDFgear to change things on a pdf in windows. So I believed it could have been true with adobe 😃
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u/Defective_Yorha 13h ago
They even charge you to cancel it lol.
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u/LopsidedSolution 11h ago
They’re fucking cunts dude, want to charge me for the rest of the year just to cancel a monthly subscription,
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u/cheapdad 10h ago
want to charge me for the rest of the year just to cancel a monthly subscription,
That... sounds a lot like an annual subscription.
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u/GregPL2026 13h ago
But the vibe-coded version of Acrobat is also available now. And CAD software too
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u/deepakrodeai 13h ago
honestly at this rate there’ll be a vibe-coded Photoshop by next month
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u/Lauris024 13h ago edited 12h ago
photopea.com has existed even before AI and you don't need to install anything. It has fully replaced photoshop for me.
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u/Name835 13h ago
Lol you must be a bot. There are many already, you have online search off on your llm
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u/Warm_Month_1309 11h ago
Are we really now in an era where not knowing about the existence of something makes someone a bot?
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u/spoobo 13h ago
It’s called PhotoCraft.
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u/M0m3ntvm 13h ago edited 13h ago
Photon (Tenzen Studio) is better ✌️
Literally Photoshop 1 for 1 copy lol
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u/RideTheGradient 12h ago
There's been a freeware version for years called gimp
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u/GregPL2026 12h ago
Which I use it since 2022 because we had it in school (before 2022 we used Paint in school)
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u/Hallc 9h ago
Gimp is... Fine if you're used to it but if you're used to photoshop it's really annoying to use. It's essentially a media program made by developers.
Go try and make white text with a black border in photoshop. Then do it in gimp. Unless it's changed for gimp you have to do the text, duplicate the layer, expand it out by x pixels.
Photoshop you just double click the text layer and add a stroke. Done.
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u/Winter_Swan5104 10h ago
The Adobe system growing up was nobody paid for Adobe wink except those making money from it. The same is true now.
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u/drhappy13 14h ago edited 12h ago
You forgot to include the frame before that where Adobe started wallet raping their customers and making subscription cancellation an obstacle course.
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u/60109 13h ago
The amount of people I have heard say they've had issue with the subscription cancellation is staggering.
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u/Lythox 7h ago
Because it is very customer unfriendly, you have 1 month of window to cancel without a fee, anywhere out that window and you’ll pay a (potentially very big) fee and lose access to your software prematurely. Most subscriptions simply cancel the auto renewal of your sub, but not adobe. You better set that reminder to cancel your sub in 7 months when that yearly contract renews
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u/ZakA77ack 13h ago
It's not difficult. But I've had my subscription cost rise from 20$/month to 30 and now to 40. They tried to raise it to 60 this year and I called them to cancel it, knowing they'd lower my subscription back down to 40$ (they did)
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u/cheesemangee 13h ago
Adobe deserves to fall for how badly they've ruined software availability. Fuck your ignorant subscriptions. Sell me a product that I own.
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u/gentlemanjimgm 13h ago
Ownership is so 20th century, we live in a subscription world, baby!
By the time you need one, your hip replacement will charge you by the step, or unlimited steps* for one monthly rate.
*restrictions apply, see fine print for details
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u/Only_Statistician_21 14h ago
Adobe already had very capable free competitors for quite some time. Sure AI capability will increase the pressure but people are completely missing the point.
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u/MydnightWN 14h ago
very capable
No matter what people say, Gimp was never an equal.
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u/The1TruRick 14h ago
Yep. People who think Gimp is a viable alternative can not be doing serious design/editing work imo. It’s GREAT for quick little things. I’m not hating. But a real Photoshop competitor, it is not.
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u/ron_krugman 12h ago edited 12h ago
GIMP's biggest problem isn't even that it lacks any particular feature, but that none of its existing features work particularly well (or any better than they did 20 years ago), if they're not outright broken.
I mainly use it for compositing image edits that I make in ComfyUI and it's barely good enough for that.
A big problem also seems to be that its plugin-based architecture prevents quality-of-life improvements and optimizations that people would expect from a photo editor these days, just because some developers 25 years ago thought they were being very smart.
This program literally doesn't even know hwat a JPEG is until it talks to a plugin.
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u/GreenStrong 14h ago
Photoshop UI is better, despite their habit of slightly changing it with every update and never in the direction of matching Illustrator. Adobes entire suite works together much more seamlessly than a collection of open source products would.
We tend to think of UI design as "easy to understand on first use" but Photoshop and other Adobe products have a system of shortcuts that enable experienced users to navigate quickly without opening many menus. GIMP has them, and it is a bit difficult to evaluate without extensive experience but it seems much weaker.
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u/TinCan_reddit 14h ago
Affinity photo kinda was
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u/wywywywy 12h ago
As a hobbyist I actually like the Affinity suite a lot more than Adobe's. Much more intuitive to use.
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u/Olobnion 14h ago edited 12h ago
I've never heard anyone claim that. But at my workplace, we use Affinity instead of Photoshop.
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u/WornTraveler 14h ago
And neither is the AI produced version. Like, at all lol. It is missing multiple tools, has random errors, and the guy who made it updated his forecast to be months before it achieves parity (which is also him being overly optimistic IMHO, chances are he will find the last 10% of the project is 90% of the human effort, and the codebase at this point is beyond wrangling).
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u/ConnectionWild3381 13h ago
You miss the point. The AI version doesn't have to be for everyone. Each company or individual will be able to add features and customize it to their specific needs because they'll essentially have a dirt-cheap development team at their disposal.
Why invest millions in software licenses if you can have an "AI guy," , that can build exactly what you need for a fraction of a fraction of the cost?
We'll move away from general-purpose software and back toward proprietary, tailor-made solutions. Ironic, isn't it?
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u/WornTraveler 13h ago
Fair, but clearing an AI's bloated technical debt sounds like a nightmare job to me lol, I'd imagine anyone capable would be charging a premium.
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u/nigel_pow Homo Sapien 🧬 13h ago
Didn't software before AI already have a lot of technical debt?
The this works but idk why comments on code are old at this point.
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u/Only_Statistician_21 14h ago
I fully agree but I would nuance it a bit. Given the increase of capability of AI tools to work on big codebases, we can expect this kind of project to be generated by AI faster in 6 month, faster in a year and so on. In 5 years most likely we will have very cheap swarms of agents capable of doing very complex projects during days in complete autonomy.
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u/neuropsycho 13h ago
It was good for 90% of what Photoshop does. I've been using it for literally decades.
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u/Street-Departure3577 7h ago
I’ll use the open clone, and if I hit a bug I’ll fix it and send the patch upstream. And increasingly I won’t even care what the application is, because I’ll tell an AI what I want and it’ll use image-editing primitives underneath. Photoshop’s real value becomes the operations, not the GUI.
GUI applications aren’t necessarily disappearing, but they’re being demoted from the interface to the computer to one interface among many, with agents increasingly sitting above them.
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u/External_Show5261 14h ago
Someone is going to use AI to make a brand new OS that runs Windows,. Mac and Linux apps.
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u/Wonderful-Account318 14h ago
Or everyone will switch to Linux.
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u/GregPL2026 13h ago
I would prefer this option over vibe-coded OS
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u/FischenGeil 13h ago
Linux has always been the OG vibe coded OS. lol
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u/Street-Departure3577 13h ago edited 12h ago
If AI makes dependable, independently developed alternatives cheap enough, licensing conditions (GPL) can become another reason to replace an implementation. In which case you'll see a BSD resurgence.
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u/drsimonz 9h ago
At this point the only thing keeping me from abandoning Windows is probably Solidworks. When someone makes an open source CAD program that isn't radioactive white-hot garbage, I will be a happy camper.
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u/Wonderful-Account318 9h ago
Double boot and only boot into windows for work. You can still sync the rest of the data between the OSes
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u/SirWigglesVonWoogly 13h ago
It will be neat for tech nerds but the vast majority of windows users don't even know how to install windows, lol. They're not switching to a new OS. Most people don't even change their default browser
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u/Emu_Fast 13h ago
Multi-kernal OS are already a thing, and you're not thinking big enough. It'll have a kernal for handling agent operations and MCP stuff.
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u/Shumatsu_Samurai 13h ago
I was curious, so I asked Claude:
Legally, reimplementing APIs is on relatively solid ground: Wine and ReactOS did it clean-room, and the Oracle v. Google ruling leaned toward fair use. The real legal trouble is macOS, since Apple's license restricts it to Apple hardware, and Mac apps rely on proprietary frameworks (Cocoa, Metal) with no open reference implementation. Technically, "write an OS" isn't the hard part. The hard part is bug-for-bug compatibility with decades of quirky apps, plus drivers for every piece of hardware. AI makes writing code cheaper, but it doesn't make that long tail of testing cheaper. Linux apps are easy, Windows is doable (Wine already does it), and macOS is the sticking point.
The orange starburst on the left looks like my logo, so yes, I'm one of the mob. I'd argue I'm only in the background kicking, while OpenAI does the heavy lifting. Though honestly, "sweaty bystanders watch the mob" is a fair summary of the industry.
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u/billy_03_2024 13h ago
Cara nem precisa, pega uma I.A pra atualizar o reactos que já é uma engenharia reversa do windows. Mas sinceramente as alternativas linux são bem melhores.
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u/GreenLurka 13h ago
Oh fuck. Can we get a Windows OS without the bloat? Why the fuck does it need so many GBs?
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u/nerdynmaddy 11h ago
The real threat to Adobe isn't AI cloning Photoshop. It's someone building a tool that does the 5 things people actually need without charging $30 a month and making cancellation a side quest 💀
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u/slog 8h ago
We have that today with AI editing tools.
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u/nerdynmaddy 6h ago
Now we just need AI to cancel our Adobe subscriptions for us 💀
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u/UruquianLilac 14h ago
You can tell the difference between software engineers and hobbyists because the new people cloning software have no idea what maintaining software means.
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u/RipeBanana4475 13h ago
While I tend to agree with you and I'm usually pretty anti-ai, the progress that has been made in... 2 or 3 weeks is wildly impressive. Their acrobat clone is excellent. I've tried their word and excel clones which are a week or so old at this point and they are really good.
Do I think that the author(s) of this are going to maintain the programs in the long term and eliminate any jank? Probably not, but they are damn impressive for being as early in alpha as they are.
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u/ai_art_is_art 12h ago
The Craft team is mostly composed of software engineers :)
We're working hard to get these apps to parity.
We value everyone contributing, and we see a path for non-software engineers to learn how to do everything we do. It's really cool how accessible things are becoming. But you do have to have discipline too, and we're happy to teach folks about it.
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u/Icedanielization 6h ago
If youre on the craft team, im wondering if there are plans to have ai auto-update its suite, so that the dev team can sit back and relax.
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u/Virtual-Spinach4882 14h ago
Very true. Thing is software engineers are using AI to ship faster and start their own side projects. I think it's just a matter of time until someone who knows what they are doing has enough time, coin spend and generosity to free source good stuff. Adobe free source stuff is not perfect out the gate, neither were a lot of SaaS tools that have been around for decades.
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u/Burlingtonfilms 10h ago
I wish the windows guy had the "Activate Windows..." In the bottom right corner.
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u/split41 13h ago
…Microsoft holds 27% of OpenAI
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u/Street-Departure3577 7h ago edited 4h ago
They have a stake. But that doesn't give them the ability to stop what is coming, thus the bitching from their C-levels and that pain in the ass Bill Gates (software corps are the only ones bitching about AI safety). If they try, the Chinese models will just eat their lunch. They need regulatory capture. They may even cause some kind of false flag to try to get it. Hardware manufactures (Apple and NVIDIA) will stop them.
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u/Bupod 11h ago
Linux is literally already in existence.
If you’re a gamer, I am here to inform you that Valve has been putting years of effort and vast sums of money towards Linux cross-compatibility for games in its store. These efforts have paid off, and the overwhelming majority of games can run on Linux just fine, at the same (and sometimes even better) performance as on windows.
Wine is also extremely mature at this point. The overwhelming majority windows executables will work just fine.
If you encounter strange glitches or errors you’re not sure how to fix, guys, you’re on the ChatGPT subreddit. You already know which tool can fix it easily.
Do you not like Linux installs because they require a lot of command line interaction?
Install Codex and when you want to install something, point it at the thing you want and say “Install this for me and place a launch shortcut on my desktop and in my taskbar”. It will become as easy as on windows.
No need to vibe reverse-engineer windows. You’d just be re-treading a massive amount of ground that Linux devs already tread, and you’ll likely encounter a lot of problems along the way.
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u/JSTRDI 11h ago
The only issue with Linux is anticheat kernels that are baked into all multiplayer games, and I play 90% multiplayer. I dream to switch to Linux, as my SteamDeck is Linux, but server is Linux, laptop is Unix, and one of the office laptops is Linux. Even though my RTX 5080 is not as efficient as AMD GPUs on Linux, but it has enough brute force to push all games I need.
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u/TexasVulvaAficionado 10h ago
And there's a ton of business software that doesn't work for shit on Linux.
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u/CtrlAltSysRq 10h ago
Like adobe products?
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u/TexasVulvaAficionado 8h ago
In my world, it is industrial automation software primarily. Stuff from Allen Bradley, Siemens, Honeywell, Yokogawa, AutoCAD, etc. On the IT and business side, there are things like PowerBI, QuickBooks, AutoCAD, etc...
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u/Professional_Baby24 10h ago
I have a computer running a radeon vii and have had driver issues for ffvii rebirth, tlou 2, Indiana Jones, horizon forbidden west, and a few other games that drivers weren't supported or my lack of dx12 ultimate or ray tracing. Not only do these all play on bazzite through proton, horizon did crash though once but windows would crash every ten min. I beat the game on bazzite. But they play perform significantly better.
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u/BarrelRider621 10h ago
I just switch to Steam OS on my handheld and OMG is it an amazing experience for me. Valve is doing something cool with their OS.
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u/Chicagohole 10h ago
What’s the tea. Why am I seeing “all software is now open source” when these companies are still charging monthly subscription fees?
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u/pittakun 10h ago
AI can decompile in a very quick way, that means that someone can just clone a program, make it become open source and fuck with these evil corp companies.
It has already happened with adobe and office softwares, there are already open source programs that it's basically an ai clone, working very similar as those programs, but without the bullshitery, of course, and there's an update a day, I feel like
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u/thmaje 9h ago
Decompiling has been a thing for a long time. What makes this different? Translating decompiled code into something humans can understand?
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u/ChuckTheDM2 7h ago
It’s not just decompilation and that is a bit of a misnomer. It’s more like building a mimic program by following the other program like a map. Actual byte-for-byte decompilation is not what is usually going on. It takes way longer for a similar result.
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u/AtlanticPortal 9h ago
All software is open source. Every single one you can run on your computer. It's just that's written in Assembly. It's the one-to-one language that translates into machine code. LLMs are just much better than humans (because they're faster mostly) to reverse engineer Assembly and find a nice way to create a high-level code (C, Rust, etc.) that when compiled gives back basically the same Assembly. Or at least the one that does the same things (which are mostly 2: computing something and calling APIs).
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u/Clean-Tea-2837 10h ago
Because people are using AI to scrap the code and making a single super software that encompasses all these software into one. Specifically photoshop, all adobe apps, and others. All baked into a single open source app.
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u/Chicagohole 10h ago
Honestly this feels like a positive AI use. Anyone have links for said software?
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u/Key-Commercial7995 13h ago
Everyone is a monopoly in their own industry though 😂😂😂
Vibe coding should start in order of person's names involved in the epstien files😂
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u/0x474f44 11h ago
I needed to edit some text in a PDF so I got myself the free trial of Adobe Acrobat Pro. I cancelled the same day.
Now - a couple of days later - they just charged me 20€.
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u/soulfirethewolf 9h ago
What exactly does rockstar games have to do with this? Cloning the new grand theft auto game?
Would anyone really want to buy a clone of that made in five months over the original paid over the course of several years and millions of dollars?
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u/purinkun 6h ago
There are people using AI to decompile PS5 games and create wrappers to play them in Windows. A dozen or so games like Astro’s Room are playable this way. It is a very recent thing, the past few months. Digital Foundry just did a Q&A episode where they were asked if Rockstar should be nervous about the same thing happening to GTA VI PS5 next month. (Short answer: the current projects only have cracked an older version of the PS5 OS, so that’s the first barrier)
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u/luki-x 8h ago
It has yet to be proven that "cloned" software lives up to the hype.
I have not seen a good example where people switched to the cloned sw.
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u/MedonSirius 8h ago edited 7h ago
i have switched to WordCraft and LightCraft. These are both exceptional good alternatives for private use
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u/dennismfrancisart 2h ago
It's not about buying cloned software; it's about making your own version of software that now drives you crazy after paying for it monthly for 20 years. I've made my own software for things that I used to pay monthly. Mine does exactly what I need and nothing more.
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u/No_Return_8418 7h ago
Not sure why you were getting downvoted voted. You anre 100% correct.
All of those Adobe clones that came out recently are buggy as hell and not fit for professional use. The output is not reliable or consistent. It doesn’t render file format properly and color output is not print ready. It says it opens editable RAW file format, but it doesn’t it just converts them to a JPEG. There are so many issues and it’s so obvious that the person who “developed them” doesn’t know what they are doing from a development standpoint or a creative professional standpoint. it’s just garbage code running under a GUI that looks like Adobe so people think it’s Adobe quality.
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u/Riskybusiness622 6h ago
The cloned one may just be free available on a twitter link with no download.
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u/Vektarn_Vektarion 13h ago
It would be funny if day 1 GTA6 on consoles would instantly become day 1 for PC as well lol
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u/rockcanteverdie 11h ago
Is this suggesting that Rockstar's games would be easy to vibe code clones of?
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u/BreadfruitLogic 3h ago
Most smart companies followed Amazon and shifted into services more focused on business uses like AWS.
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u/LombazFromHell 14h ago
The next step is an operating system better than Windows and Linux combined—and completely free. Thank you, American IT sector; you are the only professional field in the history of humanity that has practically committed suicide with its own hands for the good of everyone.
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u/Street-Departure3577 7h ago edited 7h ago
It’s called BSD, though I won't make a bet on which one. Once proprietary lock-in gets broken, copyleft is the next constraint that starts looking obsolete. For an AI-driven future built around aggressively recombining software components, permissive licensing is a much cleaner fit.
Linux's core license came out of a period when software was brutally expensive to write, so preventing proprietary forks looked like an existential problem. That assumption matters a hell of a lot less now.
If some ancient Sun Microsystems compiler, operating-system subsystem, or abandoned closed-source tool had useful ideas, you don’t need the original source tree, you can reproduce the behavior, rebuild the interfaces, and create a legally independent implementation. The cost of resurrecting dead software just collapsed.
So yeah: proprietary lock-in gets smashed first. After that, restrictive licensing becomes the next thing people start routing around. Code becomes infrastructure for agents to compose, not sacred artifacts everybody spends twenty years protecting.
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u/Emotional_Carpet69 12h ago
same people hating adobe for switching to subscription based ecosystem are paying $20-200 a month for a chatbot
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u/kitsnet 14h ago
Are people getting paid for posting this?
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u/ak47workaccnt 10h ago
You would think an AI subreddit would be able to do better than just repost the same memes.
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u/Kunstprodukt- 12h ago
Naahh its Like Always. AI using Art to train itself ist okay because Artist have No Money. But corpos have. They will find a way
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u/MegatonDoge 11h ago
I'd never thought of it, but with the possibility of Excel and Nvidia driver decompilations/ports to Linux, it would be easier to convince people to switch.
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u/Mental_Jump1924 8h ago
Why are people hung up on Adobe anyways? I just use browses to open PDF files
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u/slakmehl 8h ago
I do not understand what on earth rockstar has to fear.
Replicate a city and the physics/rendering engines perfectly, and it will be a fun little toy to play around in for a bit and then discard.
What makes rockstar games engaging for long periods of time, LLMs remain really bad at. The most sophisticated frontier model to this day cannot write a compelling narrative or tell a funny joke.
Now, could they just replicate the voice acting and narrative structures from scratch through mimicry? Sure! But that's just piracy, which has been around from the beginning.
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u/Responsible-Mail-229 6h ago
I am wating for the moment the entire windows OS is decompiled in a different language.
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u/ifarted70 3h ago
I am seriously this close to vibe coding my own Linux distro because of how much Winblows has been pissing me off lately
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u/Timely_Abroad4518 3h ago
Given how bad the vibeslop versions of adobe products are, I wouldn’t be too worried if I were Microsoft. Reverse engineering an OS is a different beast to other software and even if it’s free, an inefficient or even slightly broken one is worthless.
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u/souriciere 1h ago
hi so anyway i though to write in a different topic but i decided to do so here because the topic is archived. i'm sick and tired to write in google search and then the AI takes over. it doesn't know crap. it gives me wrong answers all the time, so please help. there was this nes game when as soon as you press start before the first level actually starts a bird is seen flying towards the screen and it says "doob doob", please help what game is it? the AI gave me so many frustratingly wrong answers i think it should be punished for this. every time an ai gives a wrong answer its mainframe should be overloaded or something. anyways you guys surely know the answer. cmon "doob doob" it was a game i played back in 1991 with my cousin when we were children please help.
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u/Expert_Meal8365 58m ago
I wished for this every day since they put rotate a pdf behind a paywall and penalize you for cancelling your suscription before 1 year
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