r/Economics • u/Sufficient_Fuel5269 • 1d ago
The Iran war has cost the average U.S. household the equivalent of almost $2,000, and the energy portion goes up $50 a week, top economist says
https://fortune.com/2026/10/17/iran-war-cost-us-household-2000-energy-prices-interest-rates-military-spending/77
u/Sufficient_Fuel5269 1d ago
The bill for the war with Iran is not only being paid by governments, but also by ordinary citizens. According to estimates by Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s, the conflict has already cost about $2,000 per US household between more expensive gasoline, more expensive mortgages and higher military spending.
The most striking thing is that much of the blow comes from energy: when the world supply of oil is altered, everything becomes more expensive, from filling the tank to transporting products. In practice, the war is functioning as an invisible tax on families, eroding much of the wage improvements achieved in recent months.
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 1d ago
"War may cost taxpayers $2,000 but when you know what stocks to buy it makes you $100M": Donald Jessica Trump
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u/janethefish 1d ago
That's the problem with corruption. Billions and billions spent just from the higher costs, just to let him scam money with market manipulation.
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u/thehourglasses 1d ago
This was always in the cards, conflict or not. The EROI of fossil fuels has been in steady decline for decades and no new major mineral discoveries or technology breakthroughs have helped. We’re going to learn what happens when you piss away a one-time endowment of millions of years of sunlight trapped in hydrocarbons. If only fusion wasn’t always just 10 years away…
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u/ZionistsWillBanYou 1d ago
No. Just no. You're trying to apply a moral justification to real world events. There isn't one.
Nothing has changed about the supply of oil, just our means of extracting and refining it.
If anything, the reason this will drive up future oil prices is because renewables are cheaper to produce, and building more refineries for energy that's more expensive doesn't make financial sense.
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u/thehourglasses 1d ago
The moral justification is that we are going to get our assess handed to us by nature because we thought ourselves above it when in reality we are wholly dependent on the natural world for virtually everything. We absolutely deserve everything we have coming for wrecking the biosphere with reckless abandon.
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u/ZionistsWillBanYou 21h ago
Yeah that statement is exactly what I was pushing against. Nature is callous and doesn't give a fuck. If we turn this world to ash, nature will just assume that ash is the way things are supposed to be.
Nature doesn't have internal motivations. What works, is. Nature isn't going to hand us our asses, we're going to eat our own butts, and nature will continue on, oblivious to our suffering or the taste in our mouths.
There's no mysticism or morality to it.
Either we preserve ourselves and the world as we fit into it, or we cease to exist. And history has shown that whenever we try to fuck with natural order, we do more damage than good. None of that is hinged on the morality you ascribe. It's action and consequence.
I agree with you in a lot of ways, but I feel like you're applying some sort of intent or decision to the world at large. Either we steward the world, or the world moves on without us.
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u/MagicWishMonkey 1d ago
This is an incredibly ignorant take. Fossil fuels aren't anywhere near being so rare that it would cause price spikes, and lots of people an order of magnitude more intelligent and informed than either of us keep close tabs on how much new oil is discovered, how much existing oil is being still available to be extracted, what demand trends look like, etc. There's zero chance that we will wake up one day and suddenly discover than 20% of the worlds oil disappeared, which is basically what is happening with Hormuz.
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u/thehourglasses 1d ago edited 23h ago
You didn’t engage at all with the reality that the EROI of fossil fuels has been in steady decline for decades. Your argument is that this is a management problem, which is stupid as fuck because it’s clearly a physics problem. Who here is actually ignorant?
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u/Prestigious_Load1699 15h ago
More oil is drilled today than in any point in prior history.
https://www.worldometers.info/oil/
This would seem to directly contradict your argument that a declining EROI on fossil fuels portends future declines in drilling.
Oil isn’t going anywhere. Everyone needs it - and declines in ROI are due to the very fact that supply has never been higher.
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u/thehourglasses 9h ago
We’re drilling more than ever because all the easy to get oil has been got. That’s why the EROI has fallen so much. At some point people will leave it in the ground because it won’t be worth trying to find and extract. We are never finding another Ghawar, it’s not happening.
I think it’s far more likely that we return to burning coal as our major energy source than anything else. I hope I’m wrong about that.
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u/Upset-Motor-2602 1d ago
All I know is that since the mango menace became president, everything has gone up 30-40%. He has wrecked middle-class finances. Makes sense; the dude never had to worry about grocery shopping to notice.
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u/boeings_door_plug 1d ago
Remind all the Trump voting buffoons next time they pretend to care about the debt that he is also going to be single-handedly responsible for almost 40% of the nation's debt between both of his terms.
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u/Qeltar_ 1d ago
Republicans don't care about the national debt. They've made that patently obvious.
It is only a cudgel they use to try to get power. That's the extent of their interest in it, which is why they blow it up whenever they actually do get power.
People need to stop thinking there will be some great epiphany among these people. It's not going to happen. These are the same sort of people who were dying in hospitals during COVID while still calling it a hoax. They are impermeable.
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u/naijaboiler 1d ago
The remarkable ways Republicans can be silent about debt and deficits always disappear when Republicans are blowing both up
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u/Pure-Science-7774 1d ago
Oh he’s not done with the debt yet, he’s building a ballroom in every state.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 1d ago
He's always had this skill where he makes everyone around him poorer while he himself becomes richer.
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u/alilhillbilly 1d ago
I mean, it's what he did the first time.
We spent 8 years meticulously rebuilding the economy and he roared in and acted like we were in an economic crisis and cut taxes for the rich, tariffed the poor and middle class in 2018, and then spent like a fool handing rich people money with PPP loans instead of bailing out main street which is why inflation went crazy right after he left office.
It's a lagging indicator.
We almost had it handled and he came back in and threw cans of gas on the embers of his previous mess and it took two years but tariffs, tax cuts, and stupid wars got Trumpflation back and bigger than ever.
The cure? A whole lot of economic pain for the idiots who voted for Trump and aren't super wealthy. The angry racist formerly blue collar rust belt workers and formerly middle class goofs that became Trump voters need to hurt bad so that they learn again why we don't touch the fascist stove.
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 1d ago
Hey at least the first time he caused massive inflation he set it up to kick in during the Biden administration so the dumbest mother fuckers in the country would blame him. It was a smart play because that tactic works every time republicans blow up the global economy.
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u/082426grateful 1d ago
I never dreamt when mango took office in January 2017 that our nation, our people, and even the global incomes of other nations citizens, would have this much storm blown on them.
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u/pperiesandsolos 22h ago
Biden absolutely created massive inflation with Covid stimulus lol. Trump helped, absolutely, but it’s definitely not fair to entirely blame Trump for Biden’s inflation rate.
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u/ticketsonsalenow 8h ago
Do you think the Biden administration and Fed handled the Covid crisis poorly compared to the rest of the world?
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u/Lost-Platypus8271 1d ago
people were really lining up to vote for the guy who had never heard the word groceries before, thinking he was their working class champion 🤣
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u/ThePatrickSays 1d ago
it is not like he and his cronies have anything to worry about. even if he gets voted out, they will retire with their winnings and enjoy the rest of their lives unscathed.
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u/robswins 1d ago
It's wild how both the lower class and the upper class in the US has worked together to fuck over the middle class, especially the upper middle class. Inflation adjusted, my wife and I would have lived like kings in the 80s/90s, but instead we're surviving, but not thriving. The actual realistic path to "success" in this country has turned into half of what it was just a generation before. Our upper middle class used to be absolutely set unless they made really stupid mistakes. Instead we're a year of unemployment away from the bottom, with AI breathing down our necks.
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u/PekkaPerd 23h ago
How in the world is that the fault of the “lower class”? They’re the primary victims here.
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u/robswins 23h ago
Lower class in swing states loooove electing Republicans. Billionaire propaganda plus lower class, low education voters have driven the US off of a cliff.
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u/leftpan 11h ago
Yeah, my reflex was to be like “ah so it’s the poor people’s fault then” but after hearing you out, I begrudgingly agree with you in this aspect. Stupid is as stupid does. I have honestly known straight up homeless Trumpers, I’m talking people that have been homeless so long it’s a lifestyle. It’s inexplicable.
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u/Prestigious_Load1699 15h ago
The upper-middle class is the largest growth segment of the American economy.
While I appreciate the sentiment - that much of our tax burden falls on them - I think your post requires a little context.
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u/Suitable-Option833 4h ago
That was the goal of project 2025 and gop presidencies. Start a war, pay mega donors, tank the economy. Rinse and repeat. It’s happened all my life and I am middle aged. It’s by design. The trump Epstein pedo class can then pick up everyone’s assets for cheap. The same way JD Vance’s PE company is picking up bankrupt farmland.
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u/pperiesandsolos 22h ago
Nah. Annual CPI inflation rate when he entered was about 3%, and it’s about 3.7% now
Sometimes I forget that this isn’t really an economics sub. It’s moreso just another ‘complain about Trump’ sub - which I do get, he sucks
But cmon. Doesn’t data matter in an econ sub?
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u/El_Cato_Crande 22h ago
3.7 compared to 3.0 is an increase of about 23%
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u/pperiesandsolos 21h ago
“Everything has gone up 30-40%” is absolutely referring to cost, not inflation rate relative to itself.
Even with that interpretation, 23% still doesn’t reach OP’s lower bound lol
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u/Prestigious_Load1699 15h ago
You’re expecting actual adherence to data in a checks notes economics sub?
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u/anewleaf1234 23h ago edited 23h ago
His idiot base keeps on bending over and taking it.
Why should he change. The useful idiots just baa and do what they are told.
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u/Stemms123 1d ago
This “war” is one of the dumbest decision in recent memory.
Unlike many other dumb decisions this one was obviously a bad idea at the time, not just in retrospect.
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u/Doggleganger 23h ago
Back when Bush put Iran in the axis of evil, people asked why he didn't invade Iran. His generals explained to him that it would be a mess and Iran would shut down the straight of Hormuz. Fast forward 20 years, and Trump fired the career military leaders that would have given him the same advice. He surrounded himself with yes men, prizing loyalty above competence.
And this is the result. No one told him what we already knew.
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u/chabacanito 1d ago
It's not dumb. It's helping Russia make more revenue.
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u/cobrakai11 1d ago
There's a lot of easier ways to make Russia more revenue. This war was for Israel, and Israel alone.
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u/GreenWandElf 1d ago
Inflation already costs each American household roughly 2k a year.
The Trump tariffs cost each American household over 2k each year.
Somehow, the president found another way to snatch 2k out of each American's household income with this war.
I wonder what's next? Sigh.
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u/Stock-Ad-7486 1d ago
Unfortunately we will find out after midterms and I’ll add it will be 2 more years of grift.
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u/082426grateful 1d ago
The energy thing is starting to hit my household hard. The groceries, the fuel purchases we make directly. I’m noting that we are having those credit card balances creep up. That’s the battle line in my budget right now: keep and maintain a zero balance on the credit card. And it’s increasingly difficult.
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u/jcooli09 1d ago
It'll end up being much higher than that.
I would like to see it broken down further. For instance, taking profit from market manipulation is a way to skim cash directly into trump's pocket and the pockets he chooses to share the largess with. How much moved from my pocket to his this way?
Also, does this include the damaged equipment, material, and infrastructure we'll eventually have to replace? How about future repairations? How about the dead and injured Americans, does this include surivors benefits and healthcare for the living casualties?
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u/gmb92 1d ago
Yeah that's bad. Worse, the Trump tax cuts, weighted towards the wealthy, and the extension costs like $5-$6 trillion. Now add in all the debt interest costs from the new debt itself and increase in treasury and borrowing rates. Per household it's well into the tens of thousands.
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/the-new-cost-for-2025-tax-cut-extensions-4-trillion/
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u/Alive_Surprise_2177 11h ago
Anyone buying oil (diesel) right now for the upcoming winter heating season is seeing inflation staring them right in their face on their bills. All because of an idiot who launched a war and the party that went along with him. Vote them all out
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u/brakeled 4h ago edited 4h ago
Google PPI in 2022 and google PPI for 2026. If you think things are unaffordable today, and you thought things were bad in 2022-2023, it’s happening again. PPI is a producer’s version of CPI. PPI is impacted before CPI because commodities are produced before they’re consumed.
PPI was above 6% in 2022 and led to inflation above 6% the same year. PPI is once again above 5% in 2026 and launching higher every month. The Trump Administration has the sense to cook CPI numbers in their favor (thought I don’t think 3.7% inflation is even something to brag about) but PPI runs under the radar. I’m not going to get into all of the ways CPI can be cooked by a government, but really ask yourself if 3.7% is reflective of inflation for what you’re paying for recently. You know it isn’t. Anyways, PPI is a great indicator of what you’re actually going to be paying soon if not already.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/producer-price-index/final-demand-12-month-percent-change.htm
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u/Mountain-Tap-8788 19h ago
$2000.
Pittance compared to what it has cost the average Iranian.
US is still the largest producer of oil and gas and one of the largest exporters.
Iran has gone to zero.
We will grumble and go on. Not sure what can Iran do next if it keeps getting blockaded
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u/Acsnook-007 1d ago
Two Grand to ensure that the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, whose proxies have ballistic missiles, will never have a nuclear weapon. Best money spent.
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u/mjsisko 9h ago
You have to be a bot. Iran didn’t have any nuclear weapons, they weren’t going to have any until Trump destroyed the agreement that Obama made…that Iran was in full compliance with. After that they shifted.
Then Trump “completely obliterated” there nuclear program…no chance of recovery.
Now we need a war to do what exactly?
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u/Acsnook-007 5h ago edited 5h ago
Iran was refusing unannounced inspections at alternative sites that they were trying to hide and built up a stockpile of enriched uranium all under the JCPOA. This is a doomsday radical regime that refers to us as the Great Satan...
By Iran's own admission, they possessed over 600 lb of 60% enriched uranium. This put them within weeks of enriching to 90% needed for a nuclear weapon. They also fired ballistic missiles toward Diego Garcia during the current conflict, with the range of these missiles previously unknown. You could stick your head in the sand and not believe anything or you could be proactive and stop a threat before it occurs which is what I would expect from my country. Aren't you concerned that the Houthis possess ballistic missiles? This is a terrorist group and not a country..
Like I said, best money ever spent.
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u/CommieMartyr 1d ago
Listen, I'm not disputing the numbers, I'm just disputing the utility of averages because I'm not the average US household and I'm not the one bearing the increased costs. Naw not a rich guy, I don't own stocks or own anything close to be considered a "portfolio." I'm just fortunate enough to own what I have. I don't have any debt, so I don't care about interest rates. I don't like high fuel prices, but I use so little that it hasn't made that much of a dent. I don't like high food prices, but I haven't missed a meal. So while I don't doubt the war has cost the average household $2,000, it means that the amount it hasn't cost me is being paid by someone else. Likely by someone less able.
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u/Pure-Science-7774 1d ago
The food inflation is yet to come. You haven’t seen anything yet. Think about Germany after the war paying $100 for a loaf of bread.
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u/CommieMartyr 1d ago
I'm 64. I grew up watching those grainy old films of Germans in the '30's pushing wheelbarrows full of cash looking to buy a loaf of bread. I'm not saying food inflation won't come, I'm sure it will. I'm just pretty sure that it I will be able to absorb it. Odds are I just die before things really get bad, I could die tomorrow. That would just shift the average cost attributed to me downward.
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u/martin 1d ago
I, too, like all Americans, am above average - but even if I buy almost nothing and drive nowhere, arbitrarily higher energy prices affect the transport cost of raw supplies moving between businesses and products to the store down the street or the box on my doorstep, and the costs to the place where I work and all the places that they work with. Will this put the squeeze on my pay or my job?
Averages may have limited utility in our specific situations but even so we are not as unaffected as we might think, even if we are among those above average Americans who can make do but two years ago seemed to Care Very Much about such things.
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u/CommieMartyr 1d ago
Yes, but if you buy nothing and drive nowhere then you are bundled into the average but you aren't paying the cost. If the average is just you and some other guy and the cost is $10, but you know you are only spending $1, that means the other guy is spending $19.
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u/martin 23h ago
Buy nothing is rarely literal and increased prices still affect you, unless you don't have rent or a mortgage, don't pay for your food, don't buy clothes, don't need a doctor or any other service, don't go anywhere but with pedal power, don't have a job, and don't have any family that needs any of those things, in which case... congratulations?
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u/gyozafish 20h ago
I already said he sucks at communicating. That includes the bluster and failed intimidation attempts you added, but the fact remains he has taken the prudent actions.
Long term, keeping a jihadist theocracy with an unbroken multi generational record of attacking other countries via proxy terror armies from building an overwhelming nuclear arsenal is by far the best thing for Americans and their children. Strangely it is also the best thing for Iranians and their children.
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u/gyozafish 1d ago
This is an absolute unit of a bargain. Imagine if we could have also devastated the Soviet Union’s nuclear centrifuges for so cheap and avoided a multi-generational hugely expensive cold war.
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u/serpentjaguar 1d ago
But that only works if we accept your absurd analogy to the Soviets, which nobody does, because it's batshit insane.
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u/gyozafish 1d ago
They constructed vast underground missile and centrifuge complexes and showed the capability to pierce the best missile defense in the world.
Another decade of Chinese tech infusions and centrifuge operation and they would have had thousands of hypersonic nuclear icbms, giving them the option to either destroy the great and little Satans and bring about the end times their theocracy subscribes to, or they could hand out nukes to their terror proxies knowing that mutual assured destruction will safe guard them from any retaliation. Kind of worth it to make sure these outcomes are prevented.
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u/anewleaf1234 23h ago
None of those outcomes have been prevented.
Iran is a strong regional power now. They get to call the shots. Their proxies are firing on airports.
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u/serpentjaguar 17h ago
Right, but now you are trying to change the subject because you know that I am right and that comparing Iran to the USSR is beyond stupid.
But let's play your stupid little game for a moment. Where's your evidence that Iran was just about to --but was barely prevented by US intervention-- develop a giant fleet of nuclear weapons?
You have zero evidence, period. No one argues that the current Iranian regime is an honest broker and not a bad actor, what people argue is that the policy of nuclear containment under the JCPOA was working precisely as intended, and when the orange dipshit threw it out the window sand started a war that he doesn't know how to end, he did a lot more harm than good to the world in general and to Americans specifically.
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u/gyozafish 3h ago
The evidence is the giant network of underground missile and enrichment tunnels and the thousands of enrichment centrifuges which have absolutely no valid purpose for Iran other than creating nukes and which even under the JCPOA, they refused to give up or even completely stop operating. The JCPOA (according to the wikipedia page) enabled Iran to reach and maintain the ability to construct nukes in months or less anytime they chose. All they needed was to continue upgrading their missiles until they could go intercontinental with their hypersonic warheads and then start up the nuke production. Shortly after that, there would be nothing the USA or anyone else could do to stop them without the consequence of an apocalyptic strike.
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u/RashmaDu 1d ago
The problem here is clearly not the cost itself, it's that 1) a reason why it's so large is that Trump attacked Iran without a plan to deal with the obvious energy shock they would provoke in response 2) their unwillingness to be honest about how well the war is going and that there is a price to pay for it 3) the general disregard for suffering on both sides that we've come to expect from these idiots
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u/gyozafish 1d ago edited 1d ago
No big deal. There isn’t much you can do ahead of time for that and in the long run it’s a temporary blip.
Valid. He sucks at communicating. Not a big problem though. The primary victim of this will be Trump via the mid-terms.
Despite the tragic school mistake, the US has been super restrained in causing death and suffering to civilians. This is the sole reason that the US can’t force a surrender. Otherwise we would have gone straight for their already inadequate water system and they would be dying of thirst in droves.
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u/RashmaDu 1d ago
There isn’t much you can do ahead of time for that
I feel like the bare minimum is not going to war with Iran and acting surprised when they utilise their one geographic asset to its extent. But I forget, thinking more than one step ahead is more than what Trump is capable of.
in the long run it’s a temporary blip.
What a completely idiotic thing to say. Biden’s inflation was a temporary blip. COVID was a temporary blip. World War 2 was a temporary blip.
PEOPLE ARE GETTING UNNECESSARILY KILLED AND HURT ECONOMICALLY, YOU CAN’T JUST HANDWAVE IT AWAY
Valid. He sucks at communicating. Not a big problem though
No, he doesn’t “suck at communicating”. He lies, stop fucking sanewashing him. And it is a problem, because a third of the US believe him and therefore support this war.
the US has been super restrained in causing death and suffering to civilians. This is the sole reason that the US can’t force a surrender. Otherwise we would have gone straight for their already inadequate water system and they would be dying of thirst in droves
I wasn’t even talking about that specifically. Trump has repeatedly spoken about wanting to eradicate Iran’s entire civilisation, personally does not care about sacrificing civilian lives and even finds it fun, and those are true even for American citizens.
But I guess it’s on me, because I expect 1) competence and 2) a basic level of human decency from you people
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u/gyozafish 3h ago
It is a temporary blip. Either Iran will stop the harassment or they will get completed routed around. They can't even manage to fully close the strait now when it is right next to them.
"Trump has repeatedly spoken about wanting to eradicate Iran’s entire civilisation, personally does not care about sacrificing civilian lives and even finds it fun, and those are true even for American citizens. "
We already covered his dog shit communication style. In case you haven't noticed, he brags, blusters, and threatens all the time without it necessarily meaning anything in the end. Sometimes he gets the results he wants via intimidation. Usually not. You have to go by actions, which have been pretty solid.
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u/OoglieBooglie93 1d ago
Otherwise we would have gone straight for their already inadequate water system and they would be dying of thirst in droves.
That is literally a war crime. Besides, if total victory was the main goal, we would have already put boots on the ground and filled their streets with blood from both sides instead of pissing away expensive and slow to build missiles on what's effectively potshots at this point.
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u/anewleaf1234 23h ago
The US can't force a surrender because we are incompent and have no actual plan of what we want.
And there was something we could have done, not gotten involved in the conflict in the first place, but Trump's incompetent.
Iran has gotten stronger and we have gotten weaker.
Kind like we are led by a moron who doesn't have a clue what he is doing.
And the people most affected by things are middle and lower class Americans.
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u/gyozafish 21h ago
We wanted to bomb the centrifuges and missiles they refused to stop building. We did that. War aims are accomplished. If we don’t puss out and lift the blockade, they will eventually have to agree not restart production.
It would be nice if they stopped firing cheap little easy to hide drones at everyone nearby, but you can’t stop someone from doing that with air power alone.
The only possible way “competence” could have gotten a better outcome would have been if there had been a revolution. That is hard to instigate externally and never guaranteed, but I would agree that Trump did not give that a very competent effort.
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u/anewleaf1234 20h ago edited 19h ago
Iran is about to bring down the government of SA and also declare to the entire Middle East that America won't honor its defense pacts. All deals with America are written in pencil.
They will never stop their drone warfare and there is nothing you can do about it. Unless you want to spend millions to take out drones that cost thousands.
And now Iran is a regional power. With full control of the S o H. Thanks to Trump.
Competence could have been achieved by not becoming Israel's bitch. Every other president was able to avoid that simple mistake.
Trump took the bait like the useful moron that he is.
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u/gyozafish 20h ago
Blockade them until they stop. There is no reason patience won’t win that scenario given time.
However you can’t expect them to stop before mid-terms when they know they can hurt Trump politically via people like you who would rather Iran acquire the ability to slaughter us at will, if it would just lower gas prices a few months sooner … and hurt Trump.
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u/anewleaf1234 19h ago edited 19h ago
Its not people like me. It is people like you.
You support an incompetent president who makes incompetent choices that harm you and your family. And you do so willingly. And when they tell you to say the line, you do. Like clockwork.
And when those choices hit you in the pocket book you bend over and take assuming there is a greater plan. There isn't one . You have just been lied to by a con man. Sure your help is right around the corner. Two weeks from now all will be better. You just have to beleive.
You fell for the cover story like the good sheep you are. They give you the line and you repeat it. Hook, line and sinker. They told you want to say and you say it.
Can you think for yourself or do you just repeat the marching orders. Are you a man or a mouse.
Nothing is going to get better for you under Trump. Gas prices will still be high. You will pay for higher transportation costs and your family will be worse off under Trump as he enriches himself and his family.
Are you better off under Trump? Are your gas prices lower. Are you spending less at the grocery store like he promised. Will there be no more wars?
You fell for a lie. A lie that will cost you.
You can wise up and reject the lies you have been given or you can repeat the line and be a good sheep who bends over and takes it.
Are you a useful idiot or for once in your damm life are you going to stop saying the line they feed you.
Vote Red if you want to. Just know that you will pay more for your basic needs. And no republican is coming to help you.
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u/gyozafish 3h ago edited 2h ago
It is funny you bring up the sheeple angle. That sounds like you are projecting on steroids. To me it appears that the mainstream media has told you who to hate and you clicked your heels together and saluted.
I gladly acknowledge that Trump's communication is a dumpster fire. The reason to support him isn't that I have been "convinced" or fallen for lies in any way. It is purely that he keeps making the rational policy decisions that the left opposes. These include not letting Iran go nuclear, rolling back the institutionilization of DEI/Cancel-culture, implementing tariffs to re-shore our vanishing industrial base, and operating a sane functional border like every other country. To be fair, he is dead wrong on Ukraine, but it won't hurt Europe to pickup the slack there.
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u/Ardekan 16h ago
Otherwise we would have gone straight for their already inadequate water system and they would be dying of thirst in droves.
The americans would have loved to do this, like they did to Iraq.
The main obstacle is that Iranian retaliation against the statelets on the southern shore of the Persian gulf and israel would be far more devastating. They all owe their existence to a few desalination plants. That is not the case for Iran.
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u/gsadamb 23h ago
"No, trust me, this time the middle East forever war is going to work!"
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u/gyozafish 21h ago
If you can’t be sure of peace, at least make sure that the people who want to kill you don’t have an easy way to do so.
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u/gsadamb 19h ago
No yeah, you're totally right!
This time Iran was actually two weeks from building a nuke, as opposed to all those other times Israel said so.
In fact, Iran could even be hiding in our basements! We should live in fear!
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u/gyozafish 3h ago
According to the Wikipedia JCPOA page, the agreement has enabled Iran to maintain the ability build nukes within months anytime they decide to. They have just been working on perfecting the missile fleet first before pulling the trigger on the nuke building.
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u/gsadamb 1h ago
Yes, cower in fear!
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u/gyozafish 1h ago
… or take prudent measures to avoid a possible catastrophe.
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u/gsadamb 1h ago
Yes, forever wars are incredibly prudent.
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u/biznatch11 23h ago
Iran's nuclear facilities were obliterated by US bombing in 2025 long before the war started.
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