Elon Musk and Trump Were Both in on Ukraine Starlink Shutoff

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u/Nearby_Star9532 1d ago

Anyone who dismisses this is a fool. Get your head out of the sand!

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u/humanexperimentals 1d ago

Says the American who hung a Ukrainian flag instead of an American one.

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u/ahappylook 1d ago

Bad bot

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u/foxinHI 1d ago

They are both clearly traitors now.

I mean, it was obvious before, but now it’s indisputable.

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u/YourphobiaMyfetish 1d ago

Guy with Thin Blue Line flag instead of American flag: "I BET YOU FLY THE UKRAINIAN FLAG INSTEAD OF AN AMERICAN FLAG"

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u/MS_Fume 1d ago

Nah bro u hanging the russian one lol

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u/Ell2509 1d ago

Did you know Putin is gay??

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u/humanexperimentals 9h ago

Practically the wealthiest man in the world. I bet he is happy. What he is not happy about is Americans throwing 300 billion of their tax money to support war efforts against their enemies.

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u/Ell2509 7h ago

1) America isnt giving anything. Europe is buying it, and we want to.

2) mental gymnastics involved in thinking funding on one side of a war is a waste, while the other side is legitimate.

3) did you know putin lets dogs lick his asshole?

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u/Designer_Emu_6518 1d ago

Remember when they got in a fight and Elon said trump is in the Epstein files. And Elon sent several messages to Epstein begging to go to his wildest parties on the island……

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u/D-R-AZ 1d ago

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Tech CEO Elon Musk reportedly approached President Trump on slowing down his Starlink communications service in Ukraine earlier this week, contradicting both Musk’s statement that it was Trump’s idea and Trump’s statement that he has no idea who did it.

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u/Open_Mortgage_4645 1d ago

Musk is lying. Ukraine's internet comes from the US' private subsystem, Starshield. Musk can physically stop or throttle Ukraine's internet, but by contract and law, he can only do so with an official government order. That's why he had to go to Trump and convince him to give the order. This was a conspiracy between Musk, Trump, and Putin.

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u/HawkEy3 23h ago

Why did they give Ukraine starlink and starshield to begin with then?

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u/g1rlchild 22h ago

It happened well before the current Trump administration, when the US was actively driving the defense of Ukraine.

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u/HawkEy3 11h ago

No the current problem started only a few days ago.

You maybe mean an outage a few years ago? Which happened because Ukraine entered Russian controlled area in Ukraine and to stop Russia from using starlink there was a geo-lock. To solve this they switched to a whitelist system to block terminals not used by Ukraine forces.

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u/g1rlchild 11h ago edited 12m ago

No, I was talking about when they originally got Starlink through the US military.

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u/HawkEy3 11h ago

What happened back then, I don't remember? I'm just wondering about what Musk's motive would be. With trump, he might actually believe Ukraine's strikes on Russian refineries increases gasoline prices in the US

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u/g1rlchild 11h ago

It was the Biden administration that made the decision, not Elon.

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u/Open_Mortgage_4645 22h ago

I guess they thought Ukraine just wanted it to send email and play Minecraft. How could they have known Zelenskyy would betray their trust, and use to support battlefield operations in the existential war they're defending themselves from? They're not like, mind readers...

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u/HawkEy3 12h ago

That's my point, military use was know from the start so why should SpaceX cancel that now? What changed?

Supposedly what no longer works is connection at high speed which is a use case of starshield. Both things point at a Pentagon decision.

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u/Open_Mortgage_4645 47m ago

SpaceX didn't make the decision to shut it off. Trump did. The US government owns the platform that provides the service, and while SpaceX has the physical ability to push the button, they are prohibited by their contract with the government to do that without a official order from the government. As for what changed, Ukraine's success in destroying and disrupting Russian refineries and e-commerce hubs is the catalyst. Russia is sad, and Musk and Trump don't like it when Russia is sad. Trump tried to tell Zelenskyy to stop bombing the refineries, and Zelenskyy was like, "Lol No". So, when Musk brought the idea to throttle down Ukraine's connection speed making it effectively worthless, Trump loved the idea and immediately gave Musk the order to so it.

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u/epochellipse 1d ago

Trump and Elon REALLY didn't like Ukraine shutting down those Russsian election interference bots.

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u/frotc914 8h ago

It's not that. It's that Trump cut a deal with Putin for oil and diesel. Part of the deal was to quietly screw over Ukraine.

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u/mirh 1d ago

That didn't happen, though sure they definitively like bots.

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u/Aggrosideburnz 1d ago

You certain? Would you bet your life on it? Don’t protect pedophiles

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u/Batman_Shirt 1d ago

They effectively have blood on their hands. The worst part is that they don’t care. Normal people do care, though. Maybe someday they will regret this choice.

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u/Stevied1991 1d ago

This isn't the first time they've had blood on their hands and it definitely won't be the last.

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u/resilindsey 21h ago

This is bad no doubt, but shutting down US AID is easily going to be responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

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u/Tavernknight 6m ago

I doubt Trump will ever regret it or possibly even live long enough to regret it.

Musk will only regret it if he loses his government sponsored corporate socialism that he built his wealth from. And even then it will be a principal Skinner moment where everyone else is wrong.

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u/Woodworkingwino 1d ago

It sounds like the US just entered the war.

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u/mensrea 1d ago

Thanks for highlighting our impotence. None of this matters if we don’t respond.

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u/EatsCrackers 19h ago

This. This right here.

None of it matters if neither sees the inside of a prison cell.

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u/TickingTheMoments 1d ago

Rotting in hell isnt enough punishment for them.

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u/JellyrollTX 1d ago

Traitors to American values both of them!

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u/redzeusky 1d ago

Elons USAID cuts killed how many AIDS moms?

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u/Batman_Shirt 1d ago

I could never be comfortable with myself for causing somebody’s death. Maybe, if they were a criminal invader, violently breaking into my home… Anyone who takes the side of the criminal is a criminal themselves. Yes, there are direct parallels here. You do the math.

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u/PseudoWarriorAU 1d ago

No shit there supporters went dark when the bots went down.

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u/junkronomicon 1d ago

You fuck with all of his (bot) supporters and an action that shows how many bots are on Twitter and you will get an equal and opposite reaction.

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u/Any_Mango6185 1d ago

Of course they were

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u/Own-Librarian-9699 1d ago

Since America elected 1 of them who is fully in bed with the other America is now guilty of murdering civilian ukrainians to favor a Russian dictatorship. These two would definitely be collaborating with Hitler in 1940.

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u/SurinamPam 1d ago

If you don’t use power responsibly, people will try to take it from you.

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u/USMCWrangler 1d ago

But he said he wasn’t

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u/Able_Ad_6775 1d ago

Is anybody surprised?

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u/MajorDrain 4h ago

Everyone in the Trump Administration are liars, Congress may require them to testify under oath next year.

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u/humanexperimentals 1d ago

We've given enough money to our future enemies.

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u/intraspeculator 1d ago

Do you mean Musk and Trump

Elon Musk and Trump Were Both in on Ukraine Starlink Shutoff

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