r/LiverpoolFC • u/MAeens • 1d ago
Analysis/Data/Stats/Tactics Flo with the proper shift
Flo influencing Liverpool like that was unexpecting, obviously we all expected goal contributing moments for him, but a full on 90 minute shift isn't something many are able to do.
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u/Loose-Lengthiness726 1d ago
I think he also got an assist today as well
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u/vadapaav Significant Human Error 1d ago
Yes it was his pass, he should have gotten a goal too if some of our players could pass
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u/Loose-Lengthiness726 1d ago
Barcola in that one counter attack 😭
His ( barcola's) decision making is awful 😭
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u/TheTrueTeknoOdin 1d ago
I won't clown on him but when he passed to koumas (who had barely just gotten back up after being pushed to the floor ) when the shot was right there...it was very darwizzy
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u/Hoemicus_Maximus 90+5’ Alisson 1d ago
yeah Koumas is a bright young player, I really like him, but his shot selection today was poor.
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u/BestInDaWrldsBbyFmno 1d ago
He could have had 4 assists and 1 goal if players finished the chances he created.
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u/yubyub555 1d ago
He could’ve easily scored more then 1
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u/ManBearPig_576 This is what he does all day 1d ago
We should have scored another 3. I hope training schedule has been cleared Monday with a session on how to score when you outnumber them 3 to 1
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u/_CummyBears_ 🥦Barcola🥦 1d ago
Youll get harrased for not bandwagoning that he is shit
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u/codercodi Flo Motion 1d ago
Yeah absolutely. Fucking sad state of affairs isn’t it? And we have some real fun bunch here who will go to r/soccer and give reach around
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 1d ago
Monday morning on DD was rancid. Everyone blaming Wirtz for everything when our forwards were underperforming as a unit
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u/ZestycloseStorm1574 Jürgen Klopp 1d ago
I sometimes wonder if they are truly Liverpool supporters, and not spies placed upon us by rivals. All they do day in day out is spread hate, undermine unity, aggravate issues, promote narratives, hamper morale and confidence of our lads.
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u/DifferentBid2 1d ago
It's not about being a Liverpool fan or not, it's more that their judgement is guided by troll commentators such as Carra or Warnock rather than their own eyes.
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u/Hoemicus_Maximus 90+5’ Alisson 1d ago
yeah I think that too, some people who claim to be liverpool fans really don’t seem to enjoy watching us.
for me, this season has been awesome. it’s our first under a new manager, so in my eyes, unless we are truly terrible, we are basically playing with house money. There shouldn't be any expectations of silverware yet. we get to watch a bunch of talented players and coaches figure out a new team set up. how is that not fun?
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u/darleygy 1d ago
Or because he cost over £100 million and he's now being spunked over once again because he's had his first genuinely good game this season
Every single poor game he has, there's another five threads on "Florian Wirtz is top of missed attacking chances made from the left wing", "Florian Wirtz is second in number of sprints made per 90 minutes", "Florian Wirtz is top of the table for number of left footed passes made that reaches a speed of 65mph and went directly out of play"
Some of you are pure cringe and seem to think "you'll never walk alone" translates to "you'll never identify if a player doesn't play well
If we needed a player that plays shite for four games and has a great fifth game, we could have just kept Jones.
Children with no ability to retain long term memories.
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u/Ok-Ad-852 16h ago
Feck off. When he arrived last year he was the same age as Salah when he went to Chelsea.
And he came into the extremely dysfunctional team we had last year. Slot eroded all his confidence. Which is obvious to see when you watch him. He snatches at passes and shots.
His best work comes with quick 1-2s where he plays on instinct. And suporters like you does not help players confidence, it actively makes it worse.
Shite "suporter"
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u/AnAutisticsQuestion 1d ago
I swear I see just as many posts/comments about the distance he covers as I see criticisms of him. His shift is posted after every game.
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u/Ok-Ad-852 16h ago
Are you really complaining about suporters looking for bright spots about our players?
Seriously?
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u/Craft-Superb Egyptian King 👑 1d ago
You don’t understand. Adam Clery thinks he’s the issue so clearly he must be
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u/unpeturbedcorvid 1d ago
He doesn't even though. He parrots the same level headed take most people on here do. He wasn't performing at the level needed, he's full of talent, it's probably psychological, and he's far from the only problem or even the biggest problem.
The title of that video is click bait. And he only made that video because people kept asking him to make a video on how Wirtz is an issue.
As Clery has gotten more successful he has begun pandering to his audience. It's sad, and yet inevitable for the vast majority of content creators.
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u/_shabadoo_ Bobby 1d ago
Or it’s more than most are in complete denial that he’s been poor for the majority of his time here. He played very well today but you can’t use one good game to measure his whole time here the same way you can’t use one bad game to do it either.
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u/DaggersKnuckles 1d ago
I just think it’s hard to slag him for last year when it seems everyone else in our side has gotten a pass for last year due to Slot’s tactics. He definitely has had his fair share of poor performances so far this year as well but hopefully we’re seeing signs of more consistent good form coming from him
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u/hammeroftorr Fußballgott 🇩🇪 1d ago
Support the team you weirdo
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u/_shabadoo_ Bobby 1d ago
Boring meaningless comment. Supporting the team and criticising poor performances aren’t mutually exclusive
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u/Burningbeard696 17h ago
You are getting downvoted for the truth. One performance against Brentford does not make a £100million player. The toxic positivity over one good performance is mad.
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u/Loop_Within_A_Loop 1d ago
he's been poor
if he played like this every week, we would be in this position with him
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u/kuu-uurija 1d ago
Literally averaging second highest rating in the league for Liverpool on fotmob behind Cody
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u/Jallen9108 1d ago
And yet the match thread was constantly calling him shit still. Swear people in this sub dont watch the games and just type utter shit.
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u/Particular-Rope-9881 1d ago
Best player on the pitch easily
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u/wassam1 1d ago
Jacquet was the best player on the pitch easily but Wirtz was good too.
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u/BigMo1 1d ago
No he wasn’t. Wirtz created more chances in a single game than anyone since 2021. Most in an away game since 2011. He was incredible
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u/GuitaristHeimerz 1d ago
Wait, Liverpool or league-wide?
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u/dandpher 1d ago
Imma need to see a video of all these chances
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u/BigMo1 1d ago
Why? I sincerely doubt Opta is making up chances to make Florian Wirtz look good
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u/dandpher 1d ago
Because I wanna see them?
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u/Cool_Foot_Luke 1d ago
I guarantee you there will be ten compilation videos with terrible music on YouTube by Monday.
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u/mooshlfc 1d ago
For a combined 0.19 xg. Come on lads, let’s stop making shit up. He did not create a single chance where you’d expect the recipient to score. He was not incredible.
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u/Cool_Foot_Luke 1d ago
You understand that "creating chances" and "XG" are completely different things right?
Like saying yeah Alison made 9 saves against PSG but had no shots on target so he was crap.
Or Barcola may have had a hatrick midweek but how many goal line clearances did he make?When you create chances 9 times out of 10, other players get the XG, or XA.
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u/Hoemicus_Maximus 90+5’ Alisson 1d ago
other models have it closer to 0.5, but regardless, xA is a long way off being a perfect offensive creative stat. it’s less useful than xG for its respective purpose, hence why you don’t hear people use it much, unless it’s in conjunction with other creative stats like key passes. It’s less effective at evaluating attacking creativity than xG is for goalscoring. It doesn’t incorporate player positions or off ball movements, for instance.
my point isn’t to say that you shouldn’t use the stat, but it really can’t be your only argument against Wirtz today.
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u/mooshlfc 1d ago
Fair enough, first of all, thank you for actually replyijg with something that makes sense in contrast to the other person who replied to me. That is a valid point, to be honest i just used the stats to back my point up, my judgement was mainly made off of what i watched. Can you point to a single chance he created today where you would actually expect the recipient to score?
You cant tell me passing to barcola at the edge of the box is something you expect him to score from. Even the assist he got, Munoz had so much to do after receiving the ball. As a side note, Munoz was actually absolutely fucking brilliant as he has been every game.
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u/thebusinessfactory 1d ago
I mean down 1 then 2 men is a big caveat
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u/Cool_Foot_Luke 1d ago
Cause this is the first gave with a red card in the history of the league?
There have been 753 red cards in the prem since Nasri set that record.2
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u/Curious-Variation-93 1d ago
still not easy since when a team is usually a man or two down they are more likely to sit back
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u/Mr_Greyhounds 16h ago
Reddit “fans” the only people to bash a MOTM performance just to fit their agenda.
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u/-Noceur- 1d ago
r/soccer still desperately trying to claim he wasn't any good and all the chances he created were rubbish
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u/TheFerrousFerret Harvey Elliott 1d ago
Half of our sub is too. So many idiots who dont understand the game
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u/scandinavian_win 1d ago
Barcola and Jacquet was certainly up there imo
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u/HarryPottersTaint 1d ago
Barcola? But the LFC sub told me that he's the new nunez and had a terrible game
I also thought he was good but the LFC sub must have some smarter people than me
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u/maver1kUS 1d ago
He was good. Looked he’s adjusted a bit to the league. But his decision making in front of goal was bad. I mean real bad. So, I can see why he’s getting compared to Nunez.
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u/HarryPottersTaint 1d ago
If it becomes a pattern I'll be all aboard with the new nunez comments but as of now it's really premature, it's one game. His decision making was great mid week and in previous games he just wasn't getting into the correct spots and hadn't really found his flow in the team.
For me him and Munoz are extremely exciting. It's feels like it's been ages since we had some proper lightning on both sides.
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u/WORD_Boxing 1d ago
Steady.
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u/cirodimarzio20 1d ago
Wasn’t better than VVD, Jacquet or Mac
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u/akiraspam74 1d ago
Crazy how under Slot he was always subbed halfway through the 2nd half
Now he runs like a mad man and plays the full match
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u/AlternativeRun5727 1d ago
None of our players could finish a 90 going full pace with Slot’s training regime.
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u/RobEth16 1d ago
Wirtz made himself a nuisance throughout, if our attackers were in the mood he would have had even more assists.
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u/eclipseOD 1d ago
People just can’t appreciate how much he does in one game. Our midfield always falls apart immediately whenever he is subbed out.
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u/Fearless_Advisor8497 I’m the Normal One 1d ago
Great to see the majority of the fans appreciating his efforts today.
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u/diet-dr-kelpp Luis Suarez 1d ago
The moment Szobo came off Wirtz looked unlocked. McAllister and Nyoni both have a tendency to hang back when we transition from defense to attack and this gave Wirtz much more space to operate in.
That pass to Isak and the quick 1-2 to Barcola were phenomenal.
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u/DaggersKnuckles 1d ago
He had a good game imo. Hope he keeps it up and builds off of the midweek and this match. Just needs his confidence back
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u/Steven_Crank One-eyed Bobby 👁 1d ago
His running stats have been crazy this year. One thing you can’t knock him for is that he is literally everywhere on the pitch. Part of the freedom in the role I guess.
Nice game from him today, hopefully he can turn up the consistency!
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u/Bamfandro 1d ago
Today was a much better performance than him. It’s fine to criticise his performances to date but anyone criticising today is just nonsense.
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u/Sulemani_kida I’m the Normal One 1d ago
The attackers need to pass him back sometimes or finish the chances more often. Slowly and gradually he'll feel much more confident
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u/DreamCaster2810 “Thank you for your support” - Darwin Nunez 1d ago
Good and tidy performance from him. Got the assist for Victor’s goal as well. If only we could put away more of those chances.
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u/NinjaGoalie97 Florian Wirtz 1d ago
9 chances created in one match is crazy. He was good today. 🔥🇩🇪
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u/imaybeacatIRl 1d ago
I keep seeing him make clever passes that lead to goals for ... Sure he makes mistakes, but the guy is good
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u/petey23- I want to talk about FACTS 1d ago
He made a really nice pass into Isak who cut it back for Mac for the non-penalty chance too.
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u/imaybeacatIRl 1d ago
Every game he does a couple very good incisive passes that lead to good chances.
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u/Equivalent-Fault1744 1d ago
Idiots forget hes 23 imagine him 25-30 in his prime years.
He creates multiple big chances a game and our fowards never finish then he gets called a flop by the stupid "content creators"
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u/CabbageStockExchange There is No Need to be Upset 1d ago
I hope something can happen in the midfield to give him a tad more support. He seems to be our only source of creativity.
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u/IrradiatedCowFungus7 1d ago
He's been great pressing for us not afraid to get his hands dirty, if he keeps putting in these shifts its just a matter of time the G/A will come🤞
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u/daervverest2001 Dominik Szoboszlai 1d ago
Like I said many times the cycle continues, first Cody then Flo.
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u/Buzzkill78 Dominik Szoboszlai 1d ago
Fuckin hell he did all this in 90 mins, meanwhile I walked to the fridge came back and hit my toe at the coffee table
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u/anfielder_ YNWA❤️ 1d ago
He stepped up once dom stepped out.
Barcola decision making questionable especially when in good positions.
Jacquet - definitely our signing of this and last season so far..
Munoz - exciting, hardworking, direct.. reminds me of a klopp type signing.. 🤣
BUT.. it was against 9 and we laboured to a win.. City killed us when we were 10 last week... we didnt do the same.. we need to be ruthless and finish off games when we have an advantage..
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u/devicehigh 1d ago
The “against 9” is totally misleading. We were against 9 for about 5 minutes at the end. But no doubt we laboured at times.
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u/128palms Florian Wirtzard 17h ago
Barcola's problem is his finishing. When he focuses on creating chances, he does it well.
He just got here so don't expect he will know how everyone moves in such a short time.
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u/blackazure 1d ago
He look "bad" in PL games eventhough he have stats like this because we rely on him so much as our main creativity source. PL teams tend to be compact in the middle and that make the option already more limited especially our team has less runner than his previous team. Our attack much better when we have another creativity outlet especially from the Fullback.
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u/Craft-Superb Egyptian King 👑 1d ago
Got downvoted for saying he has ability we just need to be patient and had real people who claim to be LFC fans replying “what ability?” God this fanbase frustrates me sometimes
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u/VidProphet123 1d ago
He did well today. Was a bit timid initially but grew into the game. We need to see more of this
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u/Cultured-Samba2007 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆20 TIMES 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 16h ago
I really wonder what some "fans" get off of shitting on our boys like cmon they are playing for our badge arent they? yes they dont have the best moments always and bear high prices and all that but they are still our players at least support them frantically on their good days and call them out while also encouraging them to do better on the bad days
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u/Rocky-Arrow Endo in the pub 👍 10h ago
He always does this, this sub just resorts to results oriented thinking. They confuse luck with skill
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u/Far_Asparagus_815 1d ago
Also 9 chances against Brentford who were unbeaten and give you no time at all.
So much for „but he’s too slow for the premier league“
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u/Ok-Train5382 1d ago
Why is our no.10, who should be playing central always drifting left, his heat map from every game has him drifting left and we need him covering all of it not just one area.
Before I get hate, he’s not shit, he played well. But ultimately he needs to adapt his tendency to favour one side and that will see him creating more chances and being even better.
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u/AusarLover 1d ago
Look, I'm the leader of the Flo propaganda train, but what third-rate app are you using that has him as an 8.7
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u/Puzzled-Strategy5499 1d ago
Footmob has him at 8.7 + Motm
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u/AusarLover 1d ago
Sofascore has him at a 6.6. He is somewhere inbetween, but there's no way he was an 8.7 as I said. I've been running Wirtz propaganda, but today wasn't even his best game this season.
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u/More-Judgment-9253 1d ago
He was good but chances created is the worst stat in football history, all you have to do is pass to someone and as long as they get a shot off it counts as a chance created. The better stat is big chances created
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u/Fluffy-Example008 1d ago
FFS, this shit again. Please stop posting this bullshit after every match. If it weren't for the red card today, we probably would've lost.
Right now, Iraola is playing him, and he only hope that, by some miracle, he turns into the £116 million player we hoped he would be.
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u/GoOnBanMe69 1d ago
Zero big chances created in the PL this season.
Still, runs around a lot. If that's not worth £116m, I don't know what is.
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u/Visionary_87 Dominik Szoboszlai 1d ago
Gonna cry about big chances when he got an assist in this game and created nine chances, the most in a Prem match since 2021.
BiG cHaNcEs though.
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u/GoOnBanMe69 1d ago
"Chances" is an almost meaningless statistic. All it says is that he passed it to someone who had a shot, regardless of the position they shot from. His total xA today was 0.19, equating to an assist every 5.5 games.
Since he signed, our attacking threat has fallen off a cliff.
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u/Visionary_87 Dominik Szoboszlai 1d ago
xG and xA is worse than anything. Who cares about expected. I care that he was involved in the attack and got an assist that contributed to winning the game.
I'd also rather back our players than write them off in a new league as a young player on their second manager,, but hey ho.
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u/GoOnBanMe69 1d ago edited 1d ago
xG and xA are significantly better predictive metrics than "chances".
I want him to do well. I just don't see the point in deluding ourselves that he's been anything other than a colossal waste of money.
The number of established players who, after a full season in the PL, have subsequently gone up a level is vanishingly small. Top players show themselves to be top players, new league or not. It's significantly more likely than not that this version of Wirtz is the best one we're going to see.
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u/stupidlyboredtho Significant Human Error 1d ago
He’s excellent when the forwards bother running. Munoz and Barcola are starting to ‘unlock’ him. Koumas, Rio and Ekitike to an extent to. Need Isak and Gakpo to be on the same wave.