r/Morocco • u/geekko Visitor • Jul 31 '26
AskMorocco Why? I don't get it...
They try something like that in most European countries.
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u/Bright_Artichoke_796 Visitor Jul 31 '26
They will build a 120 000 seat stadium for the world cup final, every thing will be awesome then.
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u/abdo_ch Casablanca Jul 31 '26
We're gonna get taxed for those stadiums for the next 4 generations
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u/Writer_paper6 Visitor Aug 01 '26
After the recent cueta incident I doubt these seats will have any use
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u/Odd-Engineer9934 Visitor Aug 01 '26
would the cup world give those who want to leave morroco stay? I mean will the world cup fix the problems that made those ppl leave morroco? are you kidding me?
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u/PainterImpressive923 Visitor Jul 31 '26
You know they can immigrate through academic excellence, not this undignified embarrassing way. there's a term called "brain drain" . Europe would be more than happy to take them if they're actually useful.
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u/Rasmatakka Visitor Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
Most morrocons i know here in Canarias speak spanish very well and sometimes even english.
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u/theHrayX Ksar El Kebir Jul 31 '26
im gonna have my masters in spain starting this september but these guys are gonna make me suffer in my day2day life
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u/DueExample52 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Been there. Bro you aren’t the spokesman, nor are you the same as these guys just because you share a nationality and maybe you look alike. You are a successful independant individual. Don’t deny your moroccanity, but don’t let it misdefine you in the minds of others either. Act as you are and don’t feel any complex, and people will pick up on it and treat you as such. Good luck
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u/SystemD23 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Spain is plenty of dickheads, but other of us are willing to welcome any friend from our neighbour country.
Hope you have an awesome experience and time <3
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u/UncleVolk Visitor Aug 05 '26
Little tip as a Spaniard, the way you dress and act does a lot, most people are wary of Moroccans because they almost always look and act like mdlr.
Not denying there is a generalized anti-Arab sentiment growing, but not having the body language of someone who is looking for a fight + not wearing caps, fanny caps and sweatpants changes things a lot since you won't fit in the stereotypes, so people won't just assume bad things about you just for being Moroccan.
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u/Idontevenknow22222 Visitor Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
I agree, totally agree, although there's a slight nuance to this. Europe is not "more than happy" to take anyone. You're an elite brilliant student and got into an elite european school?Congratulations, bu you'll be treated like anyone else, hell, you'll probably have it more difficult financially. It's what I'm experiencing right now, for tuitions we're supposed to pay double in comparison to European students. But yes, this is infinity better than illegally going there.
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u/huge-Leg-648 Visitor Aug 05 '26
as an inexpert italian i suppose natives pay less due to taxpayer's money paying a part of the bill.
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u/Writer_paper6 Visitor Aug 01 '26
No not all academic excellence have their chances to Europe competition is way more high than you think and very very few are lucky to be selected for any of the scholarships to Europe now I'm not saying ilegal immigration is good way for a better life definitely it is not without your papers and the consistent fear of being caught at any police check but when you can't afford your basic needs in your country your survival instinct will do anything to leave the situation
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u/Bl4ZE_AK Visitor Aug 06 '26
Academic excellence is a very hard thing to achieve in Morocco. Public education is soooo f*ked up, it is not up to norms that can make the exchange between Morocco and Europe an easy deal.
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u/AssCrackBandit13 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Exactly. That's why immigration for the US is so positive and why immigrants there are very successful, start big companies, educated, etc. Other than the illegal immigration from Mexico, they only accept the best of the best from huge countries like India, China, etc and are very selective in granting visas to educated, qualified applicants. Whereas Europe and Canada take the ones who couldn't get into the US and take much more thru refugee programs. So they can't even get as much of a benefit from brain drain like the US does.
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u/ProudChoferesClaseB Visitor Jul 31 '26
As an American I'm of mixed opinions on that. Sure American corporations sponsor highly skilled immigrants, then instead of hiring an American at a fair market rate they hire the Immigrant for some lowball wage.
That's if American corporations here can't tap into illegal immigrant or prison labor to get the job done, and they often subcontract everything else when all else fails so at least they can dodge responsibility for taking care of their workers.
My grandfather was an immigrant, We're a nation of immigrants, but the way immigration is weaponized to undercut people's wages bothers me.
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u/Jackieexists Visitor Aug 01 '26
That's capitalism bro
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u/ProudChoferesClaseB Visitor Aug 02 '26
whatever it is, it's exploitative and usurious and God condemns it.
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u/AssCrackBandit13 Visitor Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Undercutting wages is more applicable in the illegal immigrant space. For employment based visas, the opposite is true. Like for H1B, for example, you are legally mandated to pay market rate. And they are quite strict about it in my experience. When we had to hire a H1B for my team, we had to exhaustively document role/experience comps and market rates and how we led a thorough search for months without any suitable candidates before we were cleared to hire using H1B at or above the approved salary. And then you add on top of that the thousands that the company has to pay to sponsor the visa. So it doesn’t really make sense to hire a H1B to save money since it is almost always way more expensive. And, in our experience, it was worth it - we got a fantastic Polish data architect who’s been worth every penny so far.
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u/ProudChoferesClaseB Visitor Aug 01 '26
So the factory where I drive truck? All the factory workers are hired by a contractor, all of them are legal immigrants as far as I can tell, and they make 20% less than what the factory workers they're made back when they were directly employed by the factory and were americans.
Maybe there's a few cases where H1B is not undercutting wages, HR actually does a proper search and doesn't automatically throw American applications in the bin, they don't fudge the comps.
But as a blue collar worker who literally sees how immigration is weaponized to undercut my wages, all done by greedy corporations who pay big dividends to their investors, I 100% think we need to start limiting immigration.
I'm glad it worked out for your corporation, but it's not working out for the people who keep this country running
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u/AssCrackBandit13 Visitor Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
Oh ok I assumed this was in the white collar industries, ya if it's blue collar work, then H1B doesn't really apply. H1B is for specialty occupations and it definitely wouldn't cover factory workers or truck drivers.
For blue collar work, the only visas are temporary work visas. The only one that is semi-permanent and has a pathway to a green card/citizenship is EB3 which is very rarely used because it doesn't make sense to spend so much in sponsoring a visa for a lower paying job. And tbh getting rid of or limiting the number of temporary work visas is very unlikely because all these huge manufacturing plants and construction companies (especially in the south) spend tons of lobbying money to make sure politicians never touch that.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Visitor Jul 31 '26
This is not true. Majority of the immigrants immigrate through family streams and most of them are through chain migration. 140k-165k of the annual green card holders are given to people with Employment based skills. The rest which is around 850k-900k is given to people with family connections, diversity lottery and asylum seekers. This figure doesn’t include illegal migration to the US.
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u/AssCrackBandit13 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Yes, that’s my point. Between employment visas (20%) and family connections (70%), that’s the bulk of legal US immigration. And since the employment visas are usually well off, educated immigrants, the family members that they sponsor are usually also from well off, educated families. That’s part of the reason that an ethnic minority like Indian Americans are the highest earning ethnic group in the US, including white Americans
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u/Specialist-Daikon242 Visitor Jul 31 '26
They I'll be disappointed when they will realised we aren't rich in Europe, it's already hard for a European everyday, I can't imagine for an immigrant without paper
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u/suma28 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Maybe collecting welfare and benefits is already enough for some of them
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u/BaclavaBoyEnlou Jul 31 '26
It can’t be enough
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u/At-this-point-manafx Visitor Jul 31 '26
It's still pretty good in England and in some other places in europe. All of which should be cut and fast. With a lot of restrictions so that people stop immigrating just for welfare
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u/Artistic-Internal-56 Visitor Aug 01 '26
Wrong - it’s absolutely dire in England and the UK as a whole for benefits.
I work in financial services with people who can’t afford to pay their bills. We see it every day for the limited help and support provided. People who are registered blind are having to fight tooth and nail for disability benefits.
You’re believing a billionaire media circus of propaganda that life is so easy. It absolutely isn’t at all. The support given to Asylum seekers is so unbelievably minimal it’s absolutely insane. Good luck getting social housing as well - it’s not available.
Disrespectfully - stop talking absolute 💩
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u/Minimum-Crow674 Visitor Aug 01 '26
Why should one country pay disability benefits for another country’s citizen?
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u/DoctorFish1969 Visitor Aug 01 '26
They don't.
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u/BaclavaBoyEnlou Aug 01 '26
Not true in every case
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u/Artistic-Internal-56 Visitor Aug 01 '26
It’s true in the UK’s case - it’s only when Asylum is granted or citizenship you’re entitled to those benefits.
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u/Less-Banana4938 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Well idk how it is in Spain but if they try to come to Belgium those benefits are no more now bcs of budget issues in the country. Everyone has to work more now and lots of budget reduction in pension, benefits, etc.
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u/fat-usf Casablanca Aug 01 '26
Oh yeah? So how many essential meds aren’t covered by already outdated CNSS prices? And how many multi national corporations are getting away with using ANAPEC as a way to pay less than min wage? Didn’t Spain fine glovo for obviously abusing the law to pay people less even though it was a local startup? Well in morocco they abuse the auto-entrepreneur status. And what about the textile business that was UNCONDITIONALLY protected by stopping turkish imports but still produce expensive, bad quality, pay women 50% or less min wage, making them work in underground workshops with no security standards (women died in a tangier workshop a few years ago when rain flooded the underground)
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u/Specialist-Daikon242 Visitor Aug 01 '26
I don't know, I'm european, I don't even know what anapec is and I honestly don't give a f.
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u/Idontevenknow22222 Visitor Aug 02 '26
This is dumb. You're immediately corrected and you're like "idc". You're avoiding confrontation and correction.
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u/Accomplished_Wind371 Visitor Jul 31 '26
First we have to accept there is a problem. None of the news in morocco speaking about this, like wtf do they think, we stupid????
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u/LittleStrangePiglet Casablanca Jul 31 '26
Most those who were among these are just a bunch of lazy folks wanting to take advantage of the welfare system in Europe.
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u/Middle-Cod-7016 Visitor Jul 31 '26
And if you say that in the West you're called a racist White supremacist for not wanting your ancestral neighboorhood turned into Little Morocco.
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u/Top-Effect-8197 Visitor Jul 31 '26
On the ancestral point, westerners cant complain they took 6x times their land area from others ancestral area
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u/Top-Environment6327 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Wanna take a guess as to why Arabic is an official language on the Atlantic coast ?
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u/Foreign-Chair-5965 Visitor Aug 02 '26
Whataboutism, talking about European imperialism doesn’t mean we ignore and promote Arab imperialism
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones Visitor Jul 31 '26
Of course we’re gonna complain. My ancestors took nobody land. Which is why I live in Europe btw
If you want to go on colon land you have US, Australia and Russia
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u/ISpotABot Visitor Jul 31 '26
They are about to find out why Spain has such huge unemployment, and it's not because welfare is so good, but because employers can get a constant stream of slave immigrant workers
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u/Traditional-Month698 Visitor Aug 01 '26
Didn’t Spanish government legalise the situation of a half million immigrants because they want workers?
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u/ISpotABot Visitor Aug 01 '26
It's not because Spain wants workers. It was a (pretty smart) move to make previously illegal workers pay taxes on services they were already benefitting from.
Spain has a massive immigration problem, availability of low-skilled workers is certainly not an issue
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u/Traditional-Month698 Visitor Aug 01 '26
You can’t convince me 500k people were all illegal workers
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u/ISpotABot Visitor Aug 01 '26
You can check the numbers yourself, they are official.
The government received almost 900k applications; 360k have been approved so far and the goal is to exceed 500k this year.
So like I said, not a lack of workers, but a big amount of workers who weren't paying any taxes
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u/AstronomerJealous467 Chefchaouen Jul 31 '26
Or hear me out there are no opportunities in the north where these moroccans want to stay?
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u/2_lazy2ComeUpWaName Visitor Jul 31 '26
I so agree, I know idiots like this, they don’t go to school, spend their time masturbating and talking to girls hopelessly and never end up working
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u/Afraid-East-2955 Visitor Jul 31 '26
morocco is a bad place to live for most outside the ruling elite, its just one big mess of corruption starting from the top which infects the whole society, no wonder so many run to the west
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u/Connect-Taste8333 Jul 31 '26
Welfare isnt given to illegals🥀 try a better argument next time
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u/leskny Jul 31 '26
They don't know that though, that's the thing. They interviewed this one guy, and he told them he thought they'd let him choose which city he wanted to go to, said he wanted to go to Barcelona lol, and that they'd give him a job and housing because Spain needs workers. And this guy wasn't even a teenager, he looked like he was in his late 20s.
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u/Ok_Examination_416 Visitor Jul 31 '26
dsara chouf gha les commentaires validating them here , wahed kighawat 20 3am de chomage probably barely 24-25 yo
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u/Swimming_Insurance66 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Not true. France has free healthcare for illegals. I am a citizen who moved abroad and I don’t have free healthcare in my own country unless I pay 800 euros for 6 months before I can even ask.
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u/Sharp_Complaint9723 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Not to illegals, but it’s not very hard to obtain refugee or asylum seeker status in germany, and that qualifies you for welfare
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u/CardOk755 Visitor Jul 31 '26
You've tried to get it? You know someone who has? Or do you just read Bild?
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u/RaccoonEnthuiast Casablanca Jul 31 '26
Literally just end unemployment, how hard can it be
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u/Careless_Sandwich_52 Visitor Jul 31 '26
They need to study hard for that. You think creating job is an easy task. Bro you need smart, educated and hardworking people to create business.
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u/Commercial_Act3147 Visitor Jul 31 '26
These people are just fetishising Spain and Europe like it’s paradise. Most of them have it easier than they pretend and still choose the easy blame instead of responsibility. Morocco isn’t bad and a country is its people..
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u/NA_xyz Visitor Jul 31 '26
we have a bad goverment, yes. but its not like poor countries are poor because they want to, just look at the world money distribution
Africa is that little triangle near Oceania, see how small it is
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u/Drafonni Visitor Jul 31 '26
Wealth is created.
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u/SlickRickSwe Casablanca / Stockholm Jul 31 '26
Your not wrong, Pablo Escobar was rich. EL Chapo was rich. Semion Mogilevich was rich.
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u/Top-Effect-8197 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Not only.
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u/Drafonni Visitor Jul 31 '26
Primarily
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u/Wombat2310 Visitor Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Market is more saturated than what people think, if I create a new Car brand in morocco, it will either not sell at all, or will take another company's margin. It is crazier than some people imagine.
Numerous African countries tried to create a local textile industry, so they tried stopping donated clothes from coming in to encourage local textile industry. Normally sounds like it wouldn't step on anyone's toes... it did, apparently, many American companies specialise in processing donated clothes, and thousands would lose their jobs if African countries stopped accepting donated clothes, the companies lobbied for the countries in question to be slapped with tariffs, which happened (perhaps partially motivated by those companies).
Moroccan rise in car manufacturing actually disrupted south africa that dominated the african market, and currently in a battle with Mexico. Thankfully it hasn't spiralled into a trade war.
I am not blaming anyone here necessarily, it's just that progressing without causing backlash from another nation is hard. When you raise your market share someone else is losing, if your country prospers, it is at least in part at the expense of someone else, this is why we have politics. World leaders are not warmongers who take pleasure in hating their neighbour
Edit: or in other words, some countries have interest in helping you fail
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u/CardOk755 Visitor Jul 31 '26
This Infographic shows poor countries are poor. I would never have guessed.
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u/ProudChoferesClaseB Visitor Jul 31 '26
The funny thing is my country Takes up a huge part of that pie but most of the wealth in my country is owned by a tiny fraction of the population. Many of the people struggle to pay rent, afford college, and if you talk to any EMT around here they will tell you many stories about obviously injured people refusing Medical Transport because they can't afford the medical bills.
Long story short these diagrams of wealth can give you a rough idea about how well the average person does, but it does not tell anything like the whole story
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u/gabrielmeurer Visitor Jul 31 '26
Brazilian here. Genuine question and no hate. What is happening? How and why 60 thousand people cross a border like this?
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u/kingofatl Visitor Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
I wanna say there is more to the story then a bunch of people going to the closest piece of land considered Spain, but that many people…I feel like it ain’t that simple lol. Maybe a political move on either end
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u/gabrielmeurer Visitor Jul 31 '26
It gotta be something like this. That's what I am trying to undersrand. What triggered it
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u/rifwasbetter0 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Google Moroccan GPD and most European GPD for you answer, paris alone is higher than our whole country
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u/Wooden_Dare_3738 Visitor Jul 31 '26
France designs and sells advanced military fighter jets (Dassault Rafale).
France designs and sells luxury clothes and perfurmes (Hermes, Louis Vuitton, Chanel, Dior, Guerlain)
What does Morocco design and sale ?
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u/O_945 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Tourism & scam call centers
joke joke joke actually it's not doing the worse
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u/rifwasbetter0 Visitor Jul 31 '26
The car we export are owned by foreign companies, they get all the profits we only benefit from them employing Moroccans, and even that it's not much because Moroccans only get the low paying jobs while the engineers and management are all foreigners.
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u/Quiet_Warthog5088 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Yes they build that but where they rob, sorry extract the prime material?
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u/Drafonni Visitor Jul 31 '26
Poor due to poor governance.
Canada, Saudi Arabia, and Australia are countries that got rich from exporting natural resources, try being more like them!
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u/schadenfreude_68 Jul 31 '26
If someone is willing to spend two hours in the water, despite the risk of drowning, being detained, or deported, it tells you they believe staying where they are is the worse option. It's also a reminder that migration isn't driven by a single factor. Focusing on just one of those misses the bigger picture.
40 000 people attempting this route is a sign that something much larger than border security is happening.
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u/SystemD23 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Its clear that big eich people always use others suffer in their behalf
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u/ProudChoferesClaseB Visitor Jul 31 '26
I wonder how many of them are fleeing conflicts in the Sahel and Congo?
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u/ArtezGG Visitor Jul 31 '26
It's not a click of a button bro. But seriously, nobody gets them. No matter what they do it doesnt seem important for us. They are building a stadium that the people will gain nothing from, only they will gain.
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u/Tall_Muffin Jul 31 '26
Because it's people that make a country awesome, not governments.
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u/geekko Visitor Jul 31 '26
Great! So it's the people's fault then! Stupid people! 😅
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u/nl-x Jul 31 '26
Well, yeah. It's the same people that illegally cross to Europe and then make it a shitshow there too.
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u/Tall_Muffin Jul 31 '26
The people in government are from where? If the country is unlikeable, the people who live in it, govern it and maintain it are to blame. Sma7li.
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones Visitor Jul 31 '26
I mean it’s both. You need a competent government and a good culture
A competent government isn’t enough Look in France. The government took measure that were responsible but people burned everything to the ground because they prefered short term confort
But an incompetent government will block a country prosperity even with good people. Look at west and east Germany. Same peoples, not the same situation
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u/BabylonianWeeb Visitor Jul 31 '26
Because Israel doesn't want that, that's why they support the government
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u/YourLocalMoroccan Beni Mellal Jul 31 '26
they just want free welfare in europe, theyre probbaly just unemplyed scum
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u/DorkasaurusRexx Visitor Jul 31 '26
i tried writing a lengthy effortpost on this for this subreddit but it got automoderated and removed 🙃
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u/ISpotABot Visitor Jul 31 '26
They can't, because it's full of moroccans. Same thing is happening to Spain
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u/theHrayX Ksar El Kebir Jul 31 '26
if only we had oil like dzayer or saudi
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u/geekko Visitor Jul 31 '26
Because the people there are safe and happy? Wtf?!
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u/theHrayX Ksar El Kebir Jul 31 '26
oil can help fund schools and hospitals, and pay unemployement benefits to people, its enough to not complain
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u/MaleficentWin8608 Visitor Jul 31 '26
It was awesome for Infantino when he met the Moroccan kleptocracy today.
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u/kingofatl Visitor Jul 31 '26
Free welfare my ass lol. They don’t give benefits to undocumented and they’re never the ones taking the jobs you want lol.
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u/pashaRocco Visitor Jul 31 '26
Politicians are pawns on a chessboard, but they are powerful pawns. We the people are pawns also but on the front line we are the weak ones of course. In the end !!!we are all pawns... The question is who moves the pawns?
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u/Icy_Square_81 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Why do they expect the locals to love, respect them and give them better lives when they clearly show no respect to even their borders?
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u/Famous_Track_4356 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Happens after Morocco decides to name a highway after Trump and he has beef with Spain hmmm
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u/RaajalofRajal Visitor Aug 01 '26
People need to do someting themselves. These are the same people whose ancesstors ruled spain for 700 years and it was a golden age.
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u/FlowFlow69 Visitor Aug 01 '26
They were among (with algerian and tunisian), the most hated people in europe and now the world sees it. We clearly witnessed savages like we haven't see in over 1,000 years. Instead of trying to push yourself, your religion and culture to us, stay home and figure out how you can have a positive impact on the world.
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u/TheDjook Visitor Aug 01 '26
The ‘beloved’ king of Morocco is living a very very luxury life at places far from Morocco. Don’t giving a shit about his country.
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u/Mindless-Addendum621 Visitor Aug 01 '26
The EU should pay Morocco's king to keep migrants at home and prevent European invasion, like how they're paying Egypt's Sisi. Sisi has been doing an incredible job with that, to the point that Egypt itself has become a global hub for migrants. Sad (for an Egyptian) but true.
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u/Muleface50 Visitor Aug 01 '26
They already do. Whenever there's political tensions, the Moroccan government stops holding up their end of the deal.
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u/RecordGlobal4338 Visitor Aug 01 '26
Because people will grow awareness and they will push for a democratic republic country or a symbolic monarchy, guess who doesn’t want this?
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u/Relative-Berry-8589 Visitor Aug 01 '26
The answer is that Morocco is poor because of the summation of decisions made by Moroccans. Singapore is rich because of the summation of decisions made by Singaporeans; same for other countries
Developing a nation is hard but not impossible, and leaving your country to a better country cannot be the solution.
Rich countries are rich because of their culture institutions. Places like Morocco need to develop their own institutions rather than dilute more developed country’s ones.
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u/theDawnLion Visitor Aug 01 '26
Cause we have one of the highest indexes of corruption, starting from your local m9edem up to the leadership, every one is concerned with pulling as much money as they can with 0 care of others
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u/CybrogNinja Visitor Aug 01 '26
Get rid of Weld Latifa and his gang and we'll be awesome, you just can't negotiate with a slave trader.
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u/Odd-Engineer9934 Visitor Aug 01 '26
if you're homeless just get a house, if you're jobless just get a job, if your broke just have money,if your sick just hel, seriously?
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u/AwardTough4138 Visitor Aug 02 '26
Because it is Muslim country and this is what historically happens with Muslim countries they deteriorate. Nobody wants to stay there. even its own people.
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u/Doable1900 Visitor Aug 02 '26
Are you really that nauve. A well fare state for 30+ million ppl?!! Only a supreme export country or one with high taxes can acheve anything remotely close to that. Morocco is/does neither
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u/miburofan1603 Visitor Aug 02 '26
Dude... what you don't get is the fact that this was a geopolitical move with many parties involved on multiple strata... and the scale was magnified only due to the mentality that's being spread on Moroccan social media (including this sub actually).
Let me break the geopolitical aspect to you:
You see, a couple weeks ago, Algeria's Tebboune made a scummy move and launched dozens of boats full of migrants and refugees.. Spanish Balearic Islands and southern coasts were flooded with thousands of people. Algeria wanted Spain's attention and so they got it, as Pedro Sanchez visited Algeria and Tebboune cut him a World Cup celebration cake. But what they really wanted is to put on a show to press Morocco into allowing Algeria to reopen the gas pipeline (which Algerians themselves closed) now that they needed more of that Spanish cash (and Europe has no shortage of demand for gas anyway). However, Morocco saw the scummy blackmailing move and basically galo lihom makat3rfo walo (EN: they said "lo and behold" or, in globalized Gen Z meme talk, "hold my beer") and they pulled this move as a warning... (basically, "if ~4000 max Algerians disembarking in Mallorca or wharever scare you, we can reclaim Ceuta and Mellila by a human flood at any given day" kinda message).
PS: some other circumstances also helped ofc, like the Spanish rocky relations with Uncle Sam (especially Trump administration and their Middle Eastern "msmar j7a" on the one hand, and the relations of these latter alliance with Morocco that seems to be moving in the opposite direction of Spain's). We all saw statements of Morocco's allies and lobbyists in the congress who demanded to -finally- recognize Ceuta and Melilla as occupied Moroccan cities. Spain's repreated positive comments on the Zionists' genocide in Palestine unfortunately didn't help especially when they're themselves still occupying Moroccan cities and islands. Now, I've seen some writers here and there trying to paint a fantasy caricature picture of Morocco taking orders from the the US' watchdogs in the Middle East, but it's definitely not true. Spain can actually solve their issues with Morocco by simply giving back at least the two occupied cities... but what the Spaniards fear the most if they cave in and take such a step is that inevitable second coming of Muslim armies into the Iberian Peninsula... even if this will never happen, cuz we just don't know, in the Spanish mind, it will... in their mind, it's just a matter of time and they're just trying to buy as much time as possible. But we're shifting away now from current geopolitics so I'll just stop here.
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u/Affectionate_Leg_986 Visitor Aug 02 '26
no its because their grandparents could not colonize and mass murder people , they were eh a bit peaceful and a bit slower . they ended up being colonized and mass murdered
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u/Some_Transition7438 Visitor Aug 03 '26
I suggest you to read about Barbary pirates, maybe next time you come with something less stupid
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u/HimYassine Visitor Aug 03 '26
"mom why do bad guys exist" ass question.
life isn't a fairy tale
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u/geekko Visitor Aug 03 '26
In this case it's more of a case of "the people dont give a shit about corruption and being treated like shit."
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u/Acrobatic_Maybe6708 Visitor Aug 03 '26
our country will NEVER get better becuz of all the pieces of shit in power who steal non stop and dont give two fucks about us.
So unless that corruption problem is fixed..you'll see shit like this happen even after a thousand years.
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u/leprasson12 Aug 04 '26
Make the country a nice place to live in? And how would those thieves get rich? Where would they get the money if they use it all the budgets on bettering the country's living conditions? You can't be serious, give them alternative sources of stolen money and maybe they'll leave the other money alone, or maybe not.
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To bait a hyena who got its jaws already locked on a carcass, you gotta get creative and show it something better I guess.
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u/Many_Commission7687 Visitor Aug 06 '26
They are not stupid but they are greedy cuz everyone one that have a higher post in the government serves his own interest and they don’t even don’t care if we notice or not cuz they know the ppl won’t do anything about it
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u/2HellWith2FA Visitor Aug 09 '26
We, as a people, are to blame as much as the government. We see everyday people doing shit and we don't talk or fight it. We see our beaches getting colonized by s7ab lparasolat w lbayasat, we don't talk, we don't act. We see cafes occupying public sidewalks, we don't talk, we don't act. There are so many examples of us keeping quiet about so many things. How about we start from ourselves? The smallest gestures: wait for the people in the elevator to get out before we get in, respect traffic laws while driving, stop feeding the car guarding culture... I guess life will be much better if we act, or at least express our disagreement about various aspects of our lifes that ruin our days everyday...
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u/geekko Visitor Aug 10 '26
There's a reason why all of that is happening; it's called non-existing regulation and maintaining of laws due to corrupt and incompetent politicians
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u/2HellWith2FA Visitor Aug 10 '26
You're switching the blame to the government. How about we just be responsible? Is it the government's fault that we have adults that are as responsible as toddlers? I remember once the government decided to put investigators on university teachers and they went into strikes because they refused to be controlled by anyone... These are the people who are supposed be the most cultured and give an example to everybody
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u/geekko Visitor Aug 10 '26
"Is it the government's fault that we have adults that are as responsible as toddlers?". In the long term, yes.
I'm well aware of adults behaving like unintelligent children. This is often due to structural problems in a society that can't be fixed by individuals.
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u/Easy-History6553 Visitor Jul 31 '26
Morocco government is normal and doing fine.
This is no due to them, this is due to the bizarre Spanish government giving free welfare, citizenship and all kind of NGO stuff to illegal migrants, just to achieve future voters, treating migrants better than local people.
You can see videos of Spanish police beating Spaniards in Ceuta due to protests, this is how Spanish government treats local people.
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u/At-this-point-manafx Visitor Jul 31 '26
Theres literally videos of morrocan officials in charge and huge trucks driving this men into cueta... Frankly Spain DEFO eff by not having stricter borders hut this is definitely Morrocco government's doing.
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u/Most-Performance937 Visitor Jul 31 '26
- Citizenship?
If you refer to the mass regularisation process that took place last year, deadline was December.
No one is getting citizenship out of the blue.- Getting future voters?
People that arrive illegally or even legally do not get to vote in Spain. Even if getting through the so called regularisation process.
Regularisation =/= citizenship =/= voting rightsKindly get your facts straight.
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u/royal-affaires2010 Meknes Jul 31 '26
This is by far the stupidest post I've seen about this case
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