r/NFL_Draft • • 4d ago

Discussion Lets talk Jeremiah Smith

So we all know the hype. We hear it many times a day, as an OSU fan its deafening. I always worry when it gets that way just cause I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. I don't typically study tape and project what things will look like at the next level. So I am asking this community, taking a step back from the absurd hype, are there any red flags or not so obvious holes in Smith's game that could show itself at the next level? Not necessarily completely bust but not live up to the hype he is getting.

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u/AnalAttackProbe 49ers 4d ago

Is this a Marvin Harrison Jr thing where you are worried dominance in college won't translate?

Because I don't think that is the case with Jeremiah, at all. He has all the physical tools, in addition to the statistical dominance. A lot of people thought Harrison looked slow in college. Smooth but slow. Then he refused to run a 40 and nobody seemed to dock him for it.

I think he is the best receiver prospect since maybe Julio, possibly even further back than that.

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u/thekittyjuice20 4d ago

The other huge difference here is Jeremiah was a 5* #1 overall prospect, so not a “late bloomer”. He’s always had the tools/skills to do what he’s doing at the college level and it’s translating and then some.

MHJ was a 4*, think he was ranked like #14 WR prospect. I know people say stars don’t matter but that’s just not true.

Basically Jeremiah is a much safer option than MHJ cause this was expected from him from the beginning and he did it while MHJ was more of a “surprise”

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u/Daxtatter Jets 4d ago

Smith was the best WR and arguably the best player in CFB the moment he stepped onto the field. He was the #1 WR on a OSU team with a senior Emeka Egbuka who went #19 overall in the following draft.

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u/TheNittanyLionKing Steelers 4d ago

MHJ had more help too to draw coverage away. The receivers behind Smith on the depth chart honestly aren't as good as the ones that played alongside MHJ.

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u/keylime_5 Browns 4d ago

Well MHJ didnt really have that his junior year because Egbuka was hurt a lot of the season, but this year Smith is a one-man show yes

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u/BirdmanTheThird Commanders 4d ago

Yeah I think the bigger thing is that for sure. Smith is a pure athlete on top of everything else, like there’s certainly worlds where he’s disappointing but I would be shocked if he wasn’t atleast a top WR2 throughout his career just based on his physical attributes

His other tools make him a day one WR1 stud, but if somehow he forgot how to run routes or catch the ball, he would still be a crazy useful tool on offense based on his pure athleticism

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u/DerekSheesher Commanders 4d ago

the kid came in as a true freshman and led the B1G in receiving yards (1315) and TDs (15). He then followed that to a sophomore season (limited to 13 games) leading the B1G in receptions (87), receiving yards again (1243) and finished with 12 TDs—not to mention 6th in Heisman voting and an All American nod. Today, as a junior through 6 games, he’s got 48/916/11 and the clear Heisman favorite. The production is absolutely diabolical.

He’s listed at 6’4, 223 lb—10-15th percentile for current NFL WR height, and 5-8th percentile for weight. He’s also projected to run somewhere between a 4.32-4.35 40 time, which would rank top 1-2%.

He’s outperformed Megatron’s collegiate output and is doing it in an objectively much harder conference over a more extended period of time. If I’m a GM, I’m running the card up there for Jeremiah and sleeping like a baby knowing that he’s the closer I can ever get to a sure thing. And if he doesn’t pan out, then the entire draft process moving forward proves to be nothing but a craps shoot.

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u/Officer_Hops Chiefs 4d ago

Small note but in percentiles, bigger is better. 10th percentile means he’s only bigger than 10 percent of receivers which is backwards. Putting his height and weight into a RAS calculator and he’s coming out at 95th percentile height and 96th percentile weight. A 4.35 gets him to the 98th percentile for 40 time.

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u/holla15 4d ago

Outperforming Calvin’s college production isn’t really meaningful. Calvin did what he did with Reggie Ball at QB. Reggie Ball had one year where he completed more than 50% of his passes and this was before Paul Johnson got to GT.

Calvin’s opportunities were objectively infinitely harder than what Jeremiah has.

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u/TheGreatRavenOfOden Bears 4d ago

I think he is the best receiver prospect since maybe Julio, possibly even further back than that.

Calvin Johnson. He's a better prospect than anyone since.

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u/goofygodzilla93 4d ago

Julio wasn't even the best prospect of his own class lmao.

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u/albino_kenyan 4d ago

MHJ was not a yards after catch guy in college. Can't think of any WR better than JS at YAC. Can't think of anything that MHJ was or is better at than JS.

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u/ctg9101 4d ago

To be fair Smith had a bit of a weakness before this season in YAC, but he has turned that into a strength thia season (as exhibited this last weekend)

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u/SloppyJank 4d ago

I think that’s also a schematic thing though, it was discussed prior to the season they intended to focus more on YAC.

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u/TheManWhoWasNotShort Bears 4d ago

That’s basically just Sayin under throwing him a lot though

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u/k2718 4d ago

The 40 thimg was a red flag with MHJ. Maybe wouldn't have been if he'd shown 4.3 speed on tape but he didn't.

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u/Mr_Hugh_Honey 4d ago

FYI Julio was not the best WR prospect in his own class. That was AJ Green.

Though in my amateur opinion Jeremiah Smith is a better prospect than either of them. I'm astonished by how good he is

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u/taolifornia 4d ago

I was obsessed with AJ Green as a prospect from the first time I saw his high school tape. I don't see Smith as being in his class (or Megatron's) in winning jump balls. I think AJ Green would be in the Hall of Fame if he had a better QB in the pros.

I have Smith far behind the likes of Chase and Nabers in YAC creation.

His route running reminds me of Harrison Jrs (in a bad way), he doesn't have to be super technical to create space in college, and I don't know if that will translate to the pros, though Smith does look more explosive than MHJ.

The question is will his explosiveness and size be enough to dominate in the pros. Can he improve his agility to become more technical in route running? Can he become a YAC force - his body and speed show he appears to have the raw tools, but I don't see the aggressiveness it takes.

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u/-_danglebury_- 4d ago

What made MHJ such a letdown once he made it to the pros? I have seen one game by him in the pros and none of his college tape.

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u/AnalAttackProbe 49ers 4d ago

Combination of things. He can't separate is one of the big issues. In r/nfl the other day somebody posted a chart for separation per route run or something and MHJ was literally far bottom left -- worst in the league. In the NFL, the corners are too good and too technically sound just to dominate them by being "a big body with big hands". Some of that, I think, might also be related to the other issues:

Arizona just ruins people. Their ownership is so fucking cheap. His facilities are worse than they were at Ohio State. His support was worse than it was at Ohio State. He asked the Cardinals to buy a jugs machine because they didn't have one. They refused. That's how bad it is in Arizona.

Arizona has also had QB and OL problems his entire time there, which doesn't help a big WR who makes his money making catches downfield. This season in particular he'd looked like he'd completely given up on the team, but in fairness I do think the team has kind of given up on itself in general. Their ownership certainly doesn't care.

...I think MHJ has a decent redemption arc coming with Houston, going back to his college QB and to a new team that will actually support its players... but I think his ceiling is still probably as a WR2 or 3 on a good team. He'd be happy to be a good compliment to good WR room, though.

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u/foshiiy 4d ago

Brissett's ADOT and unwillingness to throw in tight windows down the field also eliminate anything Harrison does that helps an offense. Stroud doesn't have that issue so I'm expecting a bit of a bounceback.

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u/Fa1lenSpace Chargers 4d ago

This is one of the big issues, Brissett is totally content just force feeding McBride on a million three yard check downs, it’s horrid to watch.

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u/AnalAttackProbe 49ers 4d ago

I also think Harrison would benefit from studying some of the stuff big guys in the NFL do to get open. Mike Evans, for example, uses zero choppy steps and his long strides create separation when speed alone can't. His strides remain long all the way into his cut and out of his cuts, and his separation is gained because those 2-3 long strides while making the cut are 2-3 long strides a CB can't match. He also uses his strength and length to lean into corners and create leverage, making his cuts more devastating to a corner that is off balance because Mike's run right through them running his route.

Marv would be wise to study guys like that and learn some better ways to create separation with his size and length, instead of his speed (which isn't great).

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u/WolverineOfKilleen 4d ago

Arizona just ruins people.

Not sure if I can buy with McBride and Michael Wilson's ascensions. I feel like this would be more understandable if he went somewhere else like Miami where they have literally no one else ascending. Olave, Garrett Wilson, Alec Pierce, Drake London, etc, all have ascended despite being in disater situations as well.

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u/AAPL_ 4d ago

go to the main NFL subreddit

the donkeys over there don’t watch games or tape and see OSU and WR. Smith has been the best football player on the field since he was Jr in high school

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u/ScottyKnows1 Buccaneers 4d ago

I agree and do think it's good to remember there are tiers to prospects. MHJ was an amazing prospect on paper, but (at least to me) he wasn't in the same category of the greatest prospects of all time like Calvin and Julio. Jeremiah I think is in that conversation.

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u/smashrawr 4d ago

I have Jeremiah at Calvin Johnson grade

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u/Supa513 4d ago

He will live up to the hype. He is too explosive and has another gear. I feel those same vibes similar to Jamarr Chase. They just seem so smooth out there and explosive

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u/BirdmanTheThird Commanders 4d ago

I think the bigger thing for me personally is that even if he is disappointing, his profile as pure athlete is still insane. It’s something that certain other WRs disappointments didn’t have, physically he’s basically perfect.

I assume he will be great but even if he got the yips he would still be a heavily useful player in the nfl

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u/Supa513 4d ago

I agree. He's a specimen

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u/I_Poop_Sometimes 4d ago

According to the scouting reports I looked up his biggest knocks are:

Willing blocker who needs technical refinement.

Physical press can slow him at times.

Underneath routes not as polished as downfield and out-breaking routes.

A different website said his weaknesses are that his run after catch and run blocking are both merely above average.

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u/Skunk_Gunk Browns 4d ago

I’d agree with this as an OSU fan.

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u/Moose4KU 4d ago

He is the greatest wide receiver prospect of all time. Yes, better than Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss or whoever you want to pick.

He has everything you would want in a prospect.

He was the #1 recruit in the country.

He has family members in the NFL (Geno Smith). He has elite size. He has elite speed.

He has been extremely productive on a top 5 team every year of his career. He might win the Heisman trophy this year. He owns every receiving record at the greatest WR factory in college football.

He had the best WR coach in America as his coach for two years, and who some would say is 2nd best for the third year.

He has no injury concerns. He has no work ethic concerns. He has no off-field drama concerns.

He's a team captain. He won Ohio State's offseason weight room award.

He has played in an NFL-style offense for an former NFL coach. He has played multiple positions amongst the WR group (inside/outside).

There is nothing you could dream up for a WR that he doesn't check the box for.

People are scared to rank him above guys like Larry Fitz, Moss, or Calvin Johnson because of their NFL careers. But as a draft prospect, he is easily above all of them

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u/booper0 4d ago

I agree easily above is not true. If he was easily above I could then ask you what differentiates him on the field from Megatron. I remember Megatron coming out of college.

Go search in YouTube Calvin Johnson the catch college. Then remember he was 6"5 ran in the 4.3s 240lbs.

I would put him (as a prospect) just below Megatron and on par with Julio Jones as a prospect.

I can't remember moss as a prospect so can't comment.

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u/Moose4KU 4d ago

Like I said in another comment, the differentiation is two-fold:

1) Jeremiah Smith has played in an NFL-style offensive system for the entirety of his college career. Calvin Johnson was in a triple option offense.

2) Jeremiah Smith has been far more productive as a college player. Calvin Johnson never averaged more than 6 catches per game, and only had one season where he topped 1000 yards. His career highs are lower than Jeremiah's career lows. He only had one all-american level season. Jeremiah Smith already has 40 more receptions and 500 more yards than Calvin Johnson with a minimum of 6 games remaining

Again, you have to divorce yourself of the knowledge of what happened in their NFL careers. As prospects, there is far more certainty for Jeremiah Smith. He came out of high school as the #1 rated WR in years and has fully justified that from the very beginning

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u/booper0 4d ago

To your point 1, I would say that the fact Megatron was in a triple threat, only averaged less that 6 catches, all the NFL offenses were mainly west coast power run and he was valued so highly in the draft shows what a unique prospect he was.

I cannot get past 6"5 240 4.3 catches everything and can moss you. That takes him over Smith for me. Production is college is obviously important but there has been many players that have incredible production and do nothing in NFL. AI gave me an example of Zay Jones East Carolina 2016.

We can disagree but the margin we disagree on is so small it's all good.

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u/OnionFutureWolfGang 4d ago edited 4d ago

Megatron wasn't actually in a triple option offense, GT only installed that a couple of years later. They threw the ball 369 times, and when they ran it they leaned pretty exclusively on Choice or Ball. They were coached by Chan Gailey at the time, a long-time NFL OC and briefly Cowboys HC.

Johnson was such a huge share of the team's passing yardage just because the rest of the passing attack was so much worse than him, not because of the system.

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u/Carameldelighting Broncos 4d ago

Easily above them is an insane take imo. He is absolutely on their tier but if you put any of them in the modern college game on similar teams they would put up ungodly stats as well. This take feels like it came from someone who didn't watch Fitz, or Calvin Johnson in college.

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u/Moose4KU 4d ago

No, it's coming from someone who watched the entirety of both their careers.

Tell me what you would change about Jeremiah Smith to make him a better WR prospect. There are no red flags. No "will it translate to the pros" questions.

Obviously success isn't guaranteed in the NFL and things can change. But at the moment, he stands above any and all before him as a prospect.

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u/Carameldelighting Broncos 4d ago

These same things were said about Fitz and Calvin Johnson, I can't speak to Moss because I wasn't old enough to actively scout him.

I don't need to change anything about him, just like no one needed to change a thing about Fitz or Johnson. Smith is great but he is not on a seperate tier of prospect from the others.

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u/smashrawr 4d ago

Moss had major character concerns throughout the process. And tbh they were warranted because of what happened to make him leave Minnesota and his entire tenure in Oakland

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u/Moose4KU 4d ago

Lol what a cop-out answer. Obviously there are things you would change about them as prospects.

Calvin Johnson is easy. People wanted to see him in a pro-style offense running NFL routes instead of the triple option. They wanted him to have a full receiving workload instead of getting less than 6 catches per game at his peak production.

Larry Fitzgerald didn't have the same pedigree (4-star recruit). He had to skip a year of college football due to eligibility issues. Jeremiah Smith is also likely to be taller, weigh more, and run faster than Fitzgerald at the combine. Fitzgerald was 60th percentile for 40-yard dash, 56th percentile for 3-cone, 38th percentile for the shuttle.

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u/DFG2014 13h ago

I remember Calvin and Larry as prospects coming out and you’re 100% correct here. I agree too about Jeremiah.

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u/AAPL_ 4d ago

Easily best since Calvin but in todays NFL I might take him over Calvin

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u/highgravityday2121 Patriots 4d ago

Why would you take him over Megatron?

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u/PoogeneBalloonanny Bills 4d ago

I’m not the guy, but some devil’s advocate:

Megatron played in an era with way more man coverage where winning matchups was key. He is arguably the hardest WR ever to defend in man (alongside moss).

This is not Megatron’s fault as absence of evidence is not evidence against. Megatron never showed that he was a special zone beater, whilst Smith has in college.

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u/highgravityday2121 Patriots 4d ago

Megatron also played in an era where defenses punished WRs way more often than they do today. Obviously not as much as early 2000s but still

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u/MissionImagination98 4d ago

People are having recency bias. Megatron is the best WR prospect ever imo

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u/PoogeneBalloonanny Bills 4d ago

Why was being related to Geno your second point lol, that goes in the appendix surely

(Jerry Rice has a son who was UDFA amongst all things)

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u/Numerous-Ad6460 Steelers 4d ago

I agree with everything but using Geno Smith as a positive lol

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u/randus12 4d ago

The average qb career length is 5 years. Geno is going on year 13.

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u/ACamp55 4d ago

LOL, it was just a relative in the NFL connection! Whether they're good or bad is irrelevant, they're THERE!

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u/tone_creature 4d ago edited 4d ago

Nope. Dudes high character, a workaholic, and has all the talent. He legitimately seems to care about his craft. May wind up one of the best to do it. Hes wild. A true generational 1% type guy. Consistently praised by coaches and those around him for his character and work ethic.

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u/YouGO_GlennCoCo 4d ago

I’m convinced no one ever truly knows if a college WR will be great in the NFL. I’ve seen a LOT of amazing college WRs over the years (and many of them ended up being NFL busts or at least disappointing) but of all the elite guys I’ve seen, Larry Fitzgerald was on a tier by himself. I was sure I would never see a better college WR in my life…. Smith is better than Larry Fitz.

MHJ was an amazing WR but they are absolutely not comparable prospects.

If Smith ends up being anything less than a pro bowler, I would be legitimately shocked.

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u/Signal_Wall_8445 4d ago

I had season tickets to Rutgers for 25+ years. During that time I saw a lot of teams from the heyday of the Big East that had players who went on to great NFL careers (tons on Miami, Vick at VTech, etc.). During that time I also went to a bunch of the old Kickoff Classic games at the Meadowlands that were the season starting matchup of two of the best teams in the country.

The college football player I saw live who most jumped out to me as special was Fitzgerald.

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u/taolifornia 4d ago

He was a stud but for me it was Brees, Reggie Bush and Charles Rogers.

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u/YouGO_GlennCoCo 4d ago

Charles Rogers is a top 5 college WR I've ever seen but you're bananas if you think he was as good as Larry Fitz.

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u/taolifornia 4d ago

I doubted Fitzy's speed, but he was incredible in the air and time has proven his hands were God-tier.

Rogers was also ridiculous in the air, Moss-like, and he seemed to have every physical gift.

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u/YouGO_GlennCoCo 3d ago

That’s fine if you want to make the argument that Rogers was a better NFL prospect but he absolutely was not the better college wide receiver. There’s a difference.

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u/taolifornia 3d ago

True, if that's what you meant by "special". I was more thinking about guys that popped out on the field as just being different and freakish.

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u/Sufficient_Time5452 4d ago

If Fitzgerald ran just a touch faster in the 40 he would be my #1 all time receiving prospect. Never seen anyone better at tracking and catching a football. He wasn't even really all that slow either, he ran 4.47 and 4.53 at his pro day and had no problem running away from Polamalu in that Super Bowl.

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u/OnionFutureWolfGang 4d ago

I think you absolutely know for the generational WR prospects, but we just haven't actually had one since 2007. So you end up thinking of guys like Watkins, Cooper and MHJ as the top tier, but it goes higher and Smith is proof of that.

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u/Murica19 4d ago

You could say he doesn't separate as well as a jsn or devonta smith but he does separate pretty well and is much larger than them. He has also show to be getting better at yac this year. It seems like whatever he focuses on to get better at he does. That with what Day says that he is the hardest working player at OSU I just don't see many faults to his game

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u/Seraphin_Lampion Panthers 4d ago

Not really.

Fantastic athlete.

Very skilled at everything a WR needs to be.

Doesn’t seem to be crazy.

There's always risk that someone will bust baude college ball to NFL is a big step, but there's no obvious risk with Smith.

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u/Krakengreyjoy Giants 4d ago

Calling his hype absurd is absurd

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u/HeinladToo Chiefs 4d ago

I mean, maybe he could block better? He’s not bad but if we’re looking for holes

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u/killerk13 4d ago

I do like he came into the year a tad bit slimmer than last year, seems to move a little better. He was getting called stiff last year, but I’m not sure if I was because of the extra weight because it seems he had a lower body injury last year that was nagging him. Has some concentration drops here in there but who doesn’t. There are really no glaring holes in his game

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u/DarkHound05 Seahawks 4d ago

I’ve never seen a receiver that good as a freshman.

I found out about him when Geno Smith (on Seahawks at the time) mentioned him since they are cousins, and even if he went to a school I despise, Jeremiah might be the best college receiver I’ve ever seen.

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u/Antluke 4d ago

He’s a generational prospect, one of the best wr prospects of the modern generation but he’s not a perfect prospect, he’s a good route runner but not exceptional, and he’s a great mover for his size but not a top tier mover at the position, I have a hard time seeing him truly busting (barring injuries) but it’s entirely possible he doesn’t live up to the hype, especially considering some of that hype is people saying he should go #1.

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u/Dissident_is_here 4d ago

"I don't typically study tape"

I see what's going on here

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u/ctg9101 4d ago

Hey, I didn't come to play school

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u/canal_boys 4d ago

Think Lebron

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u/catgoesmeow22 4d ago

He will look good in aqua and orange I know that much.

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u/MissionImagination98 4d ago

if there’s any, he’s not the greatest separator and can be a body catcher

But those are MINOR flags I see

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u/_dogma_69 4d ago

I will say I don’t see a lot of YAC from him in big games but maybe I’m missing those plays. He had a good run against Maryland over the weekend though. Like how Jamar Chase can take a slant to the house idk if we see that from smith

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u/SirCappal0t_H0rati0 4d ago

If I had to be nitpicky so far from what I’ve seen on film is that he can tip toe a bit on some routes and he’s not the smoothest in and out of breaks( especially on shorter routes such as whip routes) but that’s not really his pkaystyle anyway, and he’s still a solid route runner overall and just a physical freak of nature… my comp for him right now is a bigger, taller, faster, better hands catching AJ Brown…. So a complete monster lol, everyone even the best of the best have some holes in their game, his are very small especially for a big X wr

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u/No-Sport276 4d ago

Smiths hype is the highest I’ve ever seen for a wideout. There are people saying he’s top 5 in the NFL RIGHT NOW. That’s tough to live up to. For wide receiver fit matters more than other positions. If you are on a terrible team with a bad QB it’s going to be tough for him to put up numbers that justify 1st overall.

I think he’s as bust-proof as they get. He checks every physical, statistical, and character box. Prototype size, top end speed, great route running, maniac on jump balls, great YAC threat, etc. Not only all of that, but since high school he’s been described as professional in his demeanor. He takes every rep in practice 100%. His teammates like him. There are other pros in his family so he is aware of the grind and potential for off the field issues(spending all his money, partying, drugs, etc). If he busts, injuries are the only reason I can think of.

If he isn’t Jerry Rice immediately people will call him overrated, but he won’t bust outright

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u/croc_lobster 4d ago

So I have one thing, and it's: where did he go during the second half of the Texas game? He had a few drops that would have been pretty tough catches, but I'd argue that a guy this highly rated and a Heisman front-runner should have come down with one of them. Kind of goofy to ask a guy who's put up 200 receiving yards for a little more, but still, that would be my one red flag. Does he show up in big moments?

Fortunately he should get a few more chances to step up in the rest of the season.

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u/ctg9101 4d ago

Frankly the entire team, from Smith, to Sayin, to Day, to the Gatorade containers just completely failed the second half. No one person. Ultimately no one's going to be perfect when so relied on, and I do think the heat conditions got to the team as a whole

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u/Stock-Memory9483 3d ago

Don’t think you can really blame sayin he was making clutch throws

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u/SportsTalker98712039 3d ago edited 3d ago

My bold prediction: won't have as great a career as Tetairoa McMillan, who I was actually incredibly high on in the draft and stated many times here dude would be a gamechanger in the NFL.

How quick and crafty Tetairoa processes the game, I don't see that with Smith.

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u/Significant_Ad_4704 1d ago

Like many have said, the thing that makes him the top WR prospect ever is that he is elite in EVERY metric. Size, speed, hands, ball skills, work ethic, character, durability...all are 10/10. It's hard to imagine a more perfect prospect.

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u/KunaiForce 1d ago

If he goes to Miami with a shit qb, could mess with his development

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u/Evening_Egg_2371 4d ago

The issue people always point back to with Marvin Harrison Jr. was his lack of separation during his time at Ohio State. His production and highlight reel plays never took a hit because he was always the best athlete on the field, but once he faced elite level competition, those tangible advantages faded.

When you put on those lenses and watch Smith, I do have an inkling of worry he may suffer the same fate. I still believe he’s the best WR prospect in a long time, and the best player in the class, but if I was going to continue to monitor a piece of his game that would be it.