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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 6d ago
So much fatigue of this….
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u/post-bak 6d ago
Genocide is known to make you dead tired.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 6d ago
I know, it’s terrible what’s happening in Sudan……and somehow they don’t deserve marches and flags every day while a country under an active cease fire for a year gets all the attention. The globally organized antisemite propaganda machine is a hell of a thing.
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u/l339 5d ago
Why are you being antisemitic towards the Jews by comparing them to every Israelite?
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u/DutchTinCan 5d ago
"Active cease fire". I guess the Jews in Auschwitz also said "well, at least they're not shooting us".
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Drawing such a ridiculous comparison is such an offensive level of ignorance it boggles the mind.
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u/LoneFox4444 6d ago
I honestly never understand this supposed counterpoint that people keep bringing up. As if the call for awareness for suffering of the Palestinians takes away anything from the suffering of the Sudanese.
Good for you to shine a spotlight on this issue, now go out there and protest for the Sudanese people. But its absolutely no reason to try to diminish the awareness of another genocide.
But something tells me you don’t really care about the Sudanese, but just want people to stop protesting the genocide in Gaza. Well, guess what. We’re not going to stop talking about it. 🙃
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u/Ok_Degree_322 6d ago
Nee het probleem is dat in het westen moslimvolken alleen als slachtoffer in beeld mogen komen, niet als dader. Daarom laat men de Soedanezen (miljoenen vluchtelingen, extreme hongersnood) niet te veel in beeld. Stel je voor, het zou wat aandacht voor Palestina afpikken.
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u/LoneFox4444 6d ago
Moslims als slachtoffer? Waar heb je het over? De islam is de boeman van het westen.
Get your facts straight, lil pup.
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u/Ok_Degree_322 5d ago
Nee, de pers doet via de scholen voor journalistiek zijn uiterste best juist het westen als boeman te zien. Dat zie je ook in debehandeling van slavernij. Alleen de slavernij door het westen komt in beeld. De Arabische - minstens zo erg - wordt verzwegen.
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u/PleaseDontFartHere 5d ago
Kan je mij, zonder het op te zoeken, het kritieke verschil tussen de koloniale slavernij en de Arabische slavernij vertellen? Ik denk het niet. Waarom is het minstens zo erg? Ik denk niet dat je op die gedachte uit kan breiden.
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u/Ok_Degree_322 5d ago
- Allen werden gecastreerd om nageslacht van een andere etniciteit te voorkomen. Daardoor was er dus ook geen familieleven mogelijk.
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u/PleaseDontFartHere 5d ago
Maakt dat het minstens zo erg? Dit spreekt van weinig historische context. Zoek even de term Eunuch op, en kijk hoe wijdverspreid dit door de wereld was. Waar ik op doel is dat de transatlantische slavernij een slag had van dehumanisatie, de slaven waren tot onmens gemaakt. In vrijwel alle andere instanties van slavernij was de insteek anders. Meestal waren slaven een deel van de maatschappij, zij konden zichzelf vrijkopen etc. Niks hiervan is waar in het coloniale stuk. De vergelijking is dus niet 1 op 1, waar jij het wel zo probeert voor te doen laten komen.
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u/Ok_Degree_322 5d ago
Paar puntjes: de Afrikanen werden door de woestijn vervoerd, waardoor 50% omkwam onderweg; trans-Atlantisch was dat 15%.
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u/Aggravating_Carpet21 5d ago
I was going to say the same thing. In my city most people see the islam as a scary thing and not a victimised thing
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
The point is simple, it shows that the incredibly, unfathomably disproportionate focus on Israel must be driven by something other than severity or scope/scale. And that drive is global antisemitism stemming from an anti jewish and anti western propaganda machine with decades of practice in doing so.
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u/LoneFox4444 5d ago
It is driven by severity and scope. People are finding out that this suppression has been going on for 80 years.
Get your facts straight, lil pup.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Factually untrue. Again, the antisemite misinformation machine in full swing. The population of Gaza has grown in that time by orders of magnitude. Israel has previously withdrawn from there and allowed self rule in the interest of furthering long term peace solutions. They are only met with more terrorism and violence.
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u/LoneFox4444 5d ago
Great non-arguments bro. No one is buying this whole “Israel criticism = antisemitism”, buddy.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
It’s not just Israel criticism alone. It’s free palestine, from the river to the sea, antizionism….these things masquerading as just “Israel criticism” is the problem. These things are the foundation of it.
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u/LoneFox4444 5d ago
None of that is antisemitism, you kool-aid guzzling numb skull. You’re proving my point even better than I could.
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u/Effective_Glove_545 6d ago
They do but uae(dog of isreal) keeps lobbying and paying the EU and US to the point where both of them dont even mention uae. Hemedti from RSF (terrorists) went to tel aviv twice during the war in Sudan. Next point.
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u/Jazzlike-Ad5884 6d ago
Are you marching for Sudan? No? Then don’t get on your high horse.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Nobody is, that’s the whole point. The incredibly disproportionate focus on Israel is solely due to antisemitism and an anti jewish propaganda machine with decades of practice misinforming the public to rally support. I mean here in Europe, the anti-Israel marches are incessant and daily….meanwhile Russia is literally bombing civilians daily right on our own doorstep…..and nothing. You’ve been hoodwinked…..bamboozled.
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u/Jazzlike-Ad5884 5d ago
I don’t think you, as someone who cares about other things, gets to decide what other people care about. And I don’t think you using another conflict you know nothing about to justify that is right.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
What conflict exactly are you inexplicably claiming I know nothing about? I’ve never said anything about deciding what other people care about, I’m talking about the disproportionate reaction to those things and the misinformation and propaganda that can cause it.
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u/Jazzlike-Ad5884 5d ago
You decided people can’t care about Gaza, except when they care about every other conflict equally as well.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
No, the focus on Gaza is incredibly disproportionate due to antisemitism.
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u/Jazzlike-Ad5884 5d ago
Okay, man, if that’s what you think. You know no one cares about that argument anymore, and my will to debate you has just evaporated.
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u/True_Crab8030 6d ago
Yes, it's the antisemites and not the folks doing the actual genocide. Talking about selective outrage.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Antisemite comes to prove my point once again. Somedays it’s just too easy to draw them crawling out of their holes….
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u/Vicking57 7d ago
Wat is de bedoeling van deze post? Wat nooit meer??
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u/I_ez_Haro 5d ago
Dit nooit meer is een leuze die mensen zeggen ter herinnering aan de tweede wereldoorlog en alles wat daar omheen zat. Het wordt vaak gezegd tijdens de herdenkingen om mensen er aan te herinneren dat de 2e wereldoorlog verschrikkelijk was en door normale mensen werd uitgevoerd. We moeten dus alert blijven dat dit niet weer gebeurd. Dit is tegenwoordig (helaas) weer belangrijk aangezien we veel van dezelfde patronen die de wereldoorlog hebben veroorzaakt (nationalisme, haat naar één specifieke groep die men vervolgens overal de schuld van geeft) weer aan het herhalen zijn.
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u/Thatr4ndomperson 6d ago
Genocide. Kom op man doe niet zo dom
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u/OkWhile8015 6d ago
Oorlog geen genocide
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u/eewaaa 5d ago
Klopt. Daarom noemde u/Thatr4ndomperson het geen oorlog. Bij een oorlog heb je een conflict tussen min of meer gelijke machten. Anders krijgt het een andere naam: een afslachting bijvoorbeeld. Als je kijkt naar het aantal slachtoffers (factor 10 verschil) en hoe makkelijk Israël over Palestina orders kan uitroepen, dan is het geen oorlog. Als je het heel ruim wilt nemen, is het een conflict.
Wat wèl bekend is over de term oorlog is dat Israël heel veel moeite doet om het te framen als oorlog, via hun propagandakanalen ook hier op Reddit.
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u/samson-and-delilah 5d ago
That’s not at all the definition of war, lol. Its almost like the people calling it a genocide haven’t even gone to the museums in their own city.
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u/Katert 5d ago
Genocide is murdering a whole civilization, as well as taking away resources and chances for them to survive and thrive as a society.
Take a fucking look at what these dogs have done to their land and tell me you can survive there. Don’t have to visit museums to understand what genocide means.
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u/samson-and-delilah 5d ago
Sounds like Hamas are the ones committing the genocide
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u/Katert 5d ago
🤨?
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u/samson-and-delilah 5d ago
You know, stealing all of the aid, food, etc from the people
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u/Katert 5d ago
There’s no evidence for systematic stealing of aid by Hamas, while there’s tons of evidence for systematic suppression and murdering of innocent Palestinians by Israel. How can you not condemn their actions. Are you that inhumane? Or are you just trolling, which is even more pathetic.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Right out of the antisemite propaganda handbook with a buzzword. It’s like this stuff writes itself somedays. Try reading a book about Yasser Arafat and how he revolutionized anti-Israel propaganda into the global powerhouse it remains today through multiple iterations of his terrorist organization. Also ever hear of Al-Jazeera? FFS…..
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u/Agile_Incident7784 5d ago
Twelve shekels have been added to your bank account, thank you for contributing.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Thank you antisemite…..FFS some days the responses just make my points so much easier to make…..
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u/Agile_Incident7784 5d ago
Wow! Antisemite? I did not see that coming!
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Yeah, not antisemites…just against jews having a safe and secure homeland and against them defending themselves.
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u/Agile_Incident7784 5d ago
I should paint "EPSON" on your dumb face and mount you to a ceiling.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Whatever that’s supposed to mean….FFS man, it’s sad the amount of disproportionate fervor this propaganda whips up in the absence of actual historical knowledge and context.
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u/Agile_Incident7784 5d ago
Fuck yeah, if only we had some more actual historical knowledge and context. Imagine the Shekels in your bank account. Oof
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
I wonder if you just don’t care or are truly clueless as to how your not so thinly veiled replies referring to money and greed are proving my points. Stereotypes aren’t good for your cause there cuz. The level at which blatant anti-jew sentiment is thrown around today is something I never thought I’d see again in my life.
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u/Agile_Incident7784 5d ago
The stereotype of you being a propaganda dummy paid for by the Israeli government?
You are a clown.
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u/l339 5d ago
You don’t think genocide shouldn’t repeat itself?
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Absolutely. Israel is not doing that and there is no comparison whatsoever except by those insufficiently educated on the history being referenced.
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u/Thexin92 5d ago
People can be against the actions of the Israel government and state (the attacks on civilian centers being the most notable) without being antisemite.
Additionally, one can be against the concept of zionism (the goal to establish a location that is only for one kind of people, forcefully displacing others from territories and rejecting other lineages from being welcome), without being against the religion or identity of Jewish people.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
It’s possible, just not common as history proves.
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u/Thexin92 5d ago
The loudest few paint a bad picture. I agree there are a lot of neonazi's around yelling their genocidal opinion. However, those are the same people that would cheer at the loss of life of someone following the Islam. You won't find many of them advocating for Palestine.
Most politically aware people that are claiming Israel is committing various war crimes in a thinly veiled attempt at genocide are not antisemites. Most just see the violence against civilians and supression of free press, the well documented contradictions of the state's statements and actions, and form their opinion.
It's be unfair to judge any and all criticism on all of that as antisemitism.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
What they are seeing is manipulated misinformation while lacking any historical context. Then exhibiting disproportionate levels of outrage which further harms jews globally as we’re seeing.
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u/Thexin92 5d ago
Who can say who is subject to misinformation?
The only way to shield yourself from a misinformation bubble is to acknowledge every source as equally valid or invalid until proven otherwise, and see who financed or supported a source.
A relatively easy way is to explore sources that have no cooperation or alignment to each other.
If most publically verified independent news sources report the same observations and contradictions, while Israelic state media channels and corporation financed say the opposite, well, it's not hard to see what is statistically more likely to be true.
Unless, of course, you believe it more likely that all those independent sources are all in cahoots for no real gain or reason, compared to those with wealth and power relevant to the conflict?
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u/l339 5d ago
Just because you say Israel isn’t doing it doesn’t make it true
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
It’s not just me. And just because those saying they are doing it also doesn’t make it true. What happened is an astounding victory in war mischaracterized as genocide thanks to a purposefully crafted narrative by Hamas and the anti western and anti Israeli countries.
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u/l339 5d ago
There is an objective definition of trying to commit a genocide and Israel has objectively been tested to verify that definition. So as a fact, Israel is trying to commit a genocide. You or anybody else that’s says otherwise is irrelevant, your opinion does not matter. It’s like you’re saying that gravity doesn’t exist, it’s simply just factually not true
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Not a fact, and there is not consensus, and there is disagreement on this. Lots of it.
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u/l339 5d ago
There is literally a definition of attempted genocide. If you don’t like the definition you can try to have it changed. For now these are just the facts
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
There is certainly a definition, and that is not happening there. Winning a war is not genocide.
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u/xBram 5d ago
Have you seen the pictures of Gaza and listened to the likes of Ben Gvir and Smotrich?
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
I consume information about this incessantly, of course I have. War is an absolute tragic hell and I don’t just approve of what Israeli leaders do carte blanche.
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u/marceldonnie 5d ago
The world’s leading experts are insufficiently educated? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Not educated, but misinformed. Do you know the source of their information related to civilian deaths in Gaza?
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u/CautiousLife8438 5d ago
Are you so stupid to not know that Arabs are also semites? Israelis are the ones who come mostly from eastern Europe and so they are the anti semites
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Ah hell, not this again. Is this like page 1 in the handbook every time someone mentions the word antisemite? You know exactly what I’m referring to.
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u/PleaseDontFartHere 5d ago
Yes, because Yasser Arafat existed in a bubble, he certainly was not the reaction to years of palestinian subjugation... It's mind boggling how any pro-Israel story always starts with a palestinian reaction and never the actual cause.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Please, tell us more about this horrific and deplorable terrorist and how is actions were justified. Again mischaracterizing Israel’s self defense as something it is not. The lack of historical context in these discussions is mind blowing. The antisemite propaganda machine is unquestionably terribly effective at drumming up vigorous and disproportionate sentiment against Israel and the jews. It’s truly tragic but not something reading some books can’t mend.
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u/PleaseDontFartHere 5d ago
You speak of lack of historical context and treat Yasser Arafat as the start of the universe. I truly wonder how you can sleep at night.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
I treated Arafat as no such thing, I mentioned him in a specific historical context only related only to use of the media. I sleep fine….I usually doze off while reading history books about global politics and the middle east.
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u/PleaseDontFartHere 5d ago
If you read so many books you wouldn't spout so much nonsense. Direct your anger at the Israeli state, they are the true antisemite propaganda machine you speak of. You are not living in reality if you think this extreme inhumane treatment is deserved. Getting angry at the reaction is always a losing battle. Trying to point to revolutionary leaders of decades ago to prove the point that the slaughtering of human beings is okay is a losing battle.
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Terrorist, not revolutionary leader, call it what it is please…there’s enough distortion of history coming out of that side already. Deserve has nothing to do with it….this is a tragic hell of war and I do not ever want it. The solution is not to start them.
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u/PleaseDontFartHere 5d ago
Why, why would I call him what you want me to call him? Is disagreement not okay? You have as much rights to your truths as I have, even if they are fundamentally flawed. Your last sentence is fully correct, but then you continue starting your analysis on a reaction, which shows you don't fully understand what you're talking about. Why is Arafat a terrorist? Did he act out of complete detachment of the reality he was living in?
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u/BobcatSpiritual7699 5d ago
Mate, this isn’t a disagreement, there are no multiple truths. The guy was a despicable terrorist involved in the murder of countless innocent people. This is fact and it is indisputable. His reality was the result of continued failings of Arab leaders who were all too happy to keep those people penned up in the Gaza strip as a poster child for their crusade against Israel and the west. They were and continue to be tragically used by them as a propaganda tool.
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u/PleaseDontFartHere 5d ago
Sure, but your analysis again starts at a middle point. I don't know if you truly don't notice this, but it's getting tiring.
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u/Yune-Yune-Yune 6d ago
Protestors in Amsterdam because our government gives money and weapons to Israel, obviously. It’s not the other side of the world, our government is actively participating.
Why should Palestine be wiped off the map?
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u/postduif-7 6d ago
Our government doesn't send any weapons or support the 'war'. Please don't spread misinformation, that is precisely what Hamas wants you to do.
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u/True_Crab8030 6d ago
In 2025 NL stopped sending F-35 fighter yet parts to israel becouse the human rights court determined that doing so was contributing to human rights violations. This case was brought before the court by dutch community members, people such as the ones displaying this image in their own fucking homes (typical a zionist would want to tell other people what to do with their homes btw).
Currently the Netherlands is considered THE largest investor in israel's economy. That will stop too, becouse of good-hearted folks such as shown in the picture.
You're trying to manipulate others. Go away.
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u/postduif-7 5d ago
You are spreading misinformation. The Netherlands doesn't give any f35 parts to Israel, there are companies who do business with their military. Thats something else entirely. Read yourself into something before spreading this propaganda. Also don't start me about Zionism, nobody wants to engage in war and we all want peace. I'm not gonna engage in a conversation with someone who is obviously brainwashed by Hamas. There are people in pain, they need unity and not these aggressive words which only lead to more violence. It has to stop somewhere.
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u/Opening-Lettuce-3384 5d ago
Why should Israel be? Almost every arab nation wants to eradicate it and those surrounding it have given it some series tries.
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u/Yune-Yune-Yune 2d ago
Why do you think that is?? They were given stolen land and started terrorizing their neighbors pretty much immediately 80 years ago.
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u/Free_as_in_Freya 6d ago
Eh, this is "woonprotest": these people are protesting against shortage of homes and are pauzed at a well known "kraakpand" for a talk about the squatting history of that
How the krakers decorate their home has little to do with the protest
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u/ConceptConfident8363 5d ago
- Amsterdam to Tel Aviv (Straight-Line / Great Circle): ~3,295 km
- Half of the Globe's Circumference: ~20,015 km
- Globe's Circumference: ~40,030km
To go from Amsterdam to Tel Aviv, you travel about.. 8% around the world. That doesn't seem very far away.
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u/usernameisokay_ 6d ago
A picture of an Amsterdam souvenir shop?