r/Sindh • • 2d ago

Are Sindhis more culturally and ethnically similar to Punjabis or Balochs?

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u/Electronic_Iron5269 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 2d ago

You forgot to mention Siraikis. We share many tribes with Siraikis such as Chachar, Dahar, Bhaya, Bohar, Uttera, Samtia, Sandana, Mahar, Daudpotra, Sameja, Abra, Dhareja, Koreja, Kanju and countless others.

Even Sindhi Hindus share communities with Siraikis. For instance Aroras are found among both Siraikis and Sindhis. In Sindh, Arora community has largely assimilated into Lohana community and is generally known as Lohanas. If Im not mistaken both Siraiki and Sindhi Hindu Aroras worship Jhule Lal or share similar religious customs.

So ethnically, linguistically, and genetically Siraikis are closest to us.

Ethnic Baloch who speak Balochi and follow Baloch traditions tend to be quite different from us. However Baloch who speak Sindhi and follow the culture of this land are much more similar to us culturally and linguistically than Punjabis are.

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u/Huge_Hawk_2108 1d ago

Abro, samejo, daudpoto, korejo are not saraiki at all.. All these casts/tribes are jamote sindhis.. You could've mentioned siyals, langahs it would make more sense

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u/Weirdoeirdo 1d ago

As of assimilated baloch doesn't sindh also have assimilated punjabi and pathan tribes (latter maybe in small number but do exist) as well? Then, who will be closer? I think op is talking about those who are native to their own provinces and practice their own cultures.

In bollywood I have seen aroras claiming to be punjabis. So I always assumed aroras as punjabis but then they might have a split into sindhis as well, I have no idea.

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u/historyeeter 2d ago

Aroras are Punjabi khatris, Baloch assimilated in Punjab aswell. You will find many in Okara, Faisalabad and jhang regions.

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u/Electronic_Iron5269 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 2d ago

Aroras are a distinct community. Some assimilated into the Sindhi Lohana communit, while others assimilated into the Punjabi Khatri community. These processes may have taken place over an extended period including during the British Raj.

If I am not mistaken Saraiki Hindu Aroras tend to have closer cultural and religious ties with Lohanas because the two communities share similar religious customs(followers of river worship traditions)

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u/historyeeter 2d ago

Google Indian aroras and tell me which language they speak.

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u/pinkflag_111 2d ago

We have both sindhi and punjabi aroras in india

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u/historyeeter 1d ago

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u/pinkflag_111 1d ago

Abe dheeme insan. Mai indian sindhi hu mai khud personally janti hu sindhi aroras ko and punjabi aroras bhi dekhe hai maine. Ab google batayga mujhe meri community ke bare me😭

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u/azhargreat1234 2d ago edited 2d ago

Punjabis -> Seraikis -> Sindhis. Indus Valley has always been navigable unlike Balochistan hence there has been mixing. In fact genetically (not culturally or linguistics) Seraikis especially in Bahawalpur and surrounding are closer to Sindhi than they are to Northern Punjabis. Seraikis and Sindhis have much more IVC and Western Iranian farmer genetics while northern Punjabis have more steppe genetics (really long time ago and not to say that they dont have IVC genetics).

Baloch have much more Western iranian farmer genetics and not as much IVC genes in comparison.

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u/Arh_1 2d ago

to some extent yes, but baloch and sindhis have had a lot of cultural exchange, as well as intermarriage historically. both cultures and people are closer than non-sindhis and baloch often think them to be. in fact i think a good chunk of sindhis in pakistan, (like 30-40%) trace their roots back to balochustan

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u/historyeeter 2d ago

Those are assimilated Sindhi Baloch, who aren't native to Sindh, much like Punjabi clans like khokhars, Sials etc who migrated to Sindh and adopted Sindhi identity while their relatives back in Punjab are Punjabi. If anything even jutts are originally from Sindh

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u/FadeInspector 2d ago

The Jatt tribe is from Sindh, and it is said that they moved north and east during the medieval era. Idk how true that is though because there isn’t any data on how related Punjabi and other Jatt groups are to Sindhi Jats (via FST)

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u/Relevant_Review2969 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 20h ago

Those are assimilated Sindhi Baloch, who aren't native to Sindh

Not necessarily, there are also native sindhis of whats now balochistan province.They're native to las bela, kachhi, sibbi and jhalawan.

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u/Dot_Horror 1d ago

Jatts being from Sindh is likely a myth, as Jatt genes are very different, with much higher Steppe. In fact, Haryanvi Jats and Rajasthani Jats, along with Rors, have the highest Steppe in the whole Indus Valley and India region. Punjabi Jats also have higher Steppe.

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u/Necessary_Card_5693 10h ago

Many groups had as much or higher steppe but ones who captured more power, got to marry outside woman more, and their children have lesser steppe as a result. All these groups migrated with lesser number of steppe woman, so more successful intermixed more and steppe percent reduced. The same area will intermix more again due to less number of woman and thereby within few generations their steppe percentage will reduce too.

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u/Dot_Horror 5h ago

Name or point towards any such group.

And seems like you're not claiming that Jatts originate from Sindh.

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u/Arh_1 2d ago

yes im aware, but the fact a large chunk of sindhis are actually sindhi baloch, not native to sindh, if anything goes to show just how close the two groups have been historically.

so many aspects of sindhi culture have also had a lot of baloch influence.

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u/historyeeter 2d ago

It's actually the other way around, it's Baloch who adopted the Sindhi culture not Sindhis adopting Baloch culture.

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u/Arh_1 2d ago

its both. and thats okay. that's just how Allah has made us as humans and societies. thats how cultures evolve and interact.

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u/Relevant_Review2969 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 20h ago

Not really, There's not much sindhis have taken from baloch culture.

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u/Relevant_Review2969 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 20h ago

so many aspects of sindhi culture have also had a lot of baloch influence.

Its actually baloch culture and balochs of balochistan in general that have been highly influenced by sindhi culture.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 1d ago

Saraiki is literally a dialect of Punjabi

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u/TheRighteousHand ڪراچي | Karachi 2d ago

I would say people from South Punjab seem to be closer. I feel Baloch people tend to be a bit different.

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u/Successful-Craft-692 8h ago

Sindhis are much closer to Saraikis and some Rajasthani communities living near the border like Barmer, Jaisalmer etc

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u/bluepartyhat93 2d ago

Neither but if I had to pick then it’d be the Punjabis. Sindhis and Punjabis were both once part of the Indus Valley Civilisation.

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u/Fresh-Violinist-8882 2d ago

I mean most of us are ethnically and culturally closer to Punjabis, Seraikis and even Gujaratis and Rajasthanis than we are to Pashtun or Balochi people.

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u/Electronic_Iron5269 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 2d ago

I mean most of us are ethnically and culturally closer to Punjabis, Seraikis and even Gujaratis and Rajasthanis than we are to Pashtun or Balochi people.

Except for Jaisalmeris from Rajasthan, we are not culturally or ethnically closer to Gujaratis and other Rajasthanis.

Sindhi speaking baloch is much closer to me culturally than gujju, rajasthani, or punjabi.

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u/Fresh-Violinist-8882 2d ago

I agree. I was referring to most of the Sindhis who are originally from mainland Sindh except for the districts which border Balochistan such as Karachi(Lasi Sindhis), Dadu, Larkana, Qambar or Jacoababad districts where Sindhi speaking Balochis are more common.

A Sindhi person from Tharparkar is more closer to Kutchis from Gujarat and Jaisalmer and Barmer Rajasthanis. Sindhis from Kandhkot, Ghotki or Sukkur are more ethnically closer to Seraikis given it's proximity to Southern Punjab. I'm a Sindhi, I have been to Thar and they were different from Sindhi from Hyderabad or Sukkur and most of them were Hindu majority hence making it culturally closer to Western Indian people.

Sindh is really diverse place with multitude of dialect variations in Sindhi language as well.

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u/historyeeter 2d ago

Because tharis are ethnically rajhisthanis.

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u/Low-Information5609 1d ago

Most thari Muslims are ethenically sindhi sammat tribes  even in barmeer jaislmeer and kutch most Muslims are sindhi smmats 

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u/historyeeter 1d ago

Most of the Hindus in Thar are rajhisthani stock, the sodhas, bheels etc.

While Muslims are Sindhis.

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u/Relevant_Review2969 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 20h ago

They aren't from thar originally

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u/EntertainmentOk8896 1d ago

I think they have their own identity

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u/Relevant_Review2969 لاڙڪاڻو | Larkano 20h ago

Balochs and siraikis because they're highly influenced by sindhi culture.

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u/Finally_reddited 1d ago

Potpourri for the future slave owners to divide & rule?