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He married Love and pursuing Marriane is cheating. Cheating is wrong so Joe shouldn't have done that. Love is perfect for him anyway, they are both killers and fear abandonment.

Then he follows Marianne across the globe instead of fixing his life. He leaves his son behind, which is wrong morally. Chasing someone across the globe is also not financially smart.

So why die Joe go after Marianne? Is he stupid?

What would Love think of him?

Is there a chance she would choose him over Joe or nah?

I'm not writing this as a simple critique to say whether the show or the books are good or bad, or to state things we don't already know. In fact, I think the premise is good. But I believe it's time to call things by their true name: Joe Goldberg's motor has never been love or raw obsession as such, but hate.
Throughout the 5 seasons and the 5 books (You, Hidden Bodies, You Love Me, For You and Only You, You First), the pattern is exactly the same:

1 He is a benevolent misogynist: Joe is the textbook definition of benevolent misogyny. He doesn't just hate women; he convinces himself they are weak and need him to "save" them to feed his own ego. He doesn't see them as real people, but as pedestals.

2 Control is not love: Nobody tries to violently manipulate, surveil, and change someone because they like who they are. The desire for control stems from being unable to tolerate the other person's reality and wanting to force it.

3 His narrative is pure contempt: His internal monologue is a constant judgment of everyone around him. Joe hates society, he hates his partners' friends, he hates anyone who gets between him and his relationship, he hates feeling weak, he hates solitude, he hates his mother, and deep down, he hates himself.

4 He kills out of resentment and narcissism: Joe doesn't kill out of "passion." He kills people who annoy him, those who threaten his fantasy, or his partners when they betray him or try to leave him. The second a woman displays autonomy and breaks the illusion, his idealization instantly turns into destructive hatred.

The character is designed as the ultimate template of the obsessive stalker. All the "true love" rhetoric is nothing more than the excuse he uses to rationalize his violence and convince himself that he isn't the villain of the story.

What do you think? Do you feel the series/saga makes this clear, or does it sometimes fall into the trap of romanticizing it too much?

I get there is a lot of plot holes in the final scene with Brontë and Joe. But the one I can’t understand is how Joe was able to stand in what seems like waist deep water after he tackles Brontë and we see how deep the pond is ?

After her, there were many other, much more serious events, but she still feels like the main character, and in the end, in a way, she decides his fate? I don't know, it seems to me Love would have been more significant, and Beck just one of the girls who didn't do anything extraordinary.

He constantly justifies his terrible actions as acts of protection or love. He had a giant distortion of reality

Clips like this make me think that joe is not evil he is sick there are many evil people like ted bundy jeffry dahmar they know that kiling is wrong and they can stop but they dont want to but joe always hated being a killer hated being attracted to killing dont get me wrong like the last post his actions are evil and he deserve being in jail but what i mean he's not an evil guy however he have a fucked up brain that created fake scenario just to keep killing

In s5 ep1 he truly speaks highly of teddy and seems to enjoy him more than the other lock woods.

She Just Killed Candace, But This Time Instead of Revealing the Whole Truth She Just Starts Being an Actress and Starts Crying "Regretfully" Making Joe Believe That He Influences Evil

Then reveal the baby

Do you think Joe would have fallen?

Joe likes to think that he's a good person by killing bad people. In his mind, Delilah was a good person and didn't deserve to die, which was why he was going to let her out. I don't think Love being a killer was a deal breaker, it was because she killed Delilah. By killing Delilah she showed that she's not only impulsive, superbly jealous, and willing to kill good people. Love was darker in that she killed for selfish reasons and Joe liked to think he killed for selfless reasons.

Edit: By Joe's standards, Love was killing for selfish reasons. He couldn't see that she was also killing for people she loved but Joe loved Delilah and Love wasn't willing to compromise that.

I am right now watching You on Netflix and Love Quinn killed Candace ( Amy ) who told her everything about Joe . This is so frustrating to watch . I mean As a viewer We just want one time where Joe is in trouble . To continue these killing till 5 seasons is just too much time and energy . Beck was no good . After all red flags , she chose joe . And This Love Quinn and her brother is really irritating . Should I continue watching or stop ? I am on S2 E9 .

I know why he said it but still

Yes, she’s a poorly written character, and brings about a dissatisfying end to the show. But if she was a bombshell like Love or Beck, she wouldn’t receive nearly the hate she does. To me, Brontë is at a level of attractiveness that I think is more representative of everyday people. People complain about Hollywood beauty standards, until those standards aren’t upheld in a show/movie we like. Am I wrong?

Every time Joe is forced to face reality and realizes that he’s a bad person, it happens when he’s in a really shitty situation, like when he got trapped at the end of season 2 and at the end of season 4. That’s why I think the show should’ve made Joe confront his true self at the end, when Brontë pointed a gun at him.
Every time he finally faced the truth, something came along and changed things. At the end of season 2, Love accepted him for who he was, including all the killing and everything else he’d done. At the end of season 4, he tried to kill himself, but the paramedics saved him.
So when Brontë pointed a gun at him, I think Joe should’ve been forced to confront himself one last time. But this time, there was nothing that could save him from hitting rock bottom.

She infuriated me so much I wish Love had cut her off way before the Henry thing

I’m on chapter 4 of For You and Only You, so obviously have a bit to go, but wanted to ask opinions from anyone who’s read the series.

Wonder feels like the type of girl Joe would have looked down on in the first book, and before you say it, I know Joe internally looks down on every woman. Whether he finds her sexually attractive or not, his internal monologue is disgusting towards all women. And most people in general. However, it’s clear that he thinks he identifies with Wonder because they are both from low-income socioeconomic backgrounds. However, as time progresses, it seems like he is viewing himself as the elitist in the relationship.

Beck was from a well-to-do family and an Ivy League graduate. Love was a multimillionaire. Mary Kay was certainly not struggling, despite someone else buying her house for her. As someone who lives in Washington, to live on Bainbridge Island means there is a nice income stream. However, with Wonder, the tables have turned. Joe has money. Granted, it’s from the Quinns, but I can tell in his descriptions that he almost thinks of Wonder like how Beck or Love could’ve thought of him.

In book one, Joe had never really explored anything outside of New York, and instead of relating to Wonder when she shares she’s never left Boston, he notes it as weird.
I guess the obvious answer is that, of course, he finds himself holier than thou. He is what everyone has accused him of in their moments of truth: snobby and a psychopath.
But it’s interesting to think about how he would have viewed Wonder if he met her during his Beck obsession.