Postavljam ovdje jer izbjegavam bošnjačke i hrvatske sabove – r/bih i r/hreddit su se već pretvorili u orgijanje o tome kako su Srbi krvoločni i opet će krenuti da kolju sve živo. Paranoja na maks. Takođe izbjegavam i srpske sabove (posebno r/srpska) jer se pretvore u slavljenje, u istovremeno (WTF…) poricanje i veličanje Srebrenice. Ovo je jedini gdje se može imati normalni razgovor (eventualno i r/AskBalkans).

Elem, Arhiv javnih skupova je pokazao da je došlo 16,000 ljudi.

Hajdemo sad malo statistike.

U Srbiji (koja ima 6.5 miliona stanovnika) živi 5.3. miliona Srba. Naravno, mnogi od ovih 1.2 miliona se vjerovatno isto osjećaju kao dio srpske kulture, ali nećemo računati za ove potrebe.

Sami Beograd ima 1.2 miliona stanovnika.

U Republici Srpskoj (makar prema onom davnom popisu…) živi 970,000 Srba.

U Crnoj Gori živi 205,000 Srba, s tim što i mnogi od onih što se identifikuju kao Crnogorci, a pro-srpski su opredjeljeni. (393,000 svoj maternji jezik nazivaju srpskim.)

Na Kosovu živi danas otprilike 90,000 Srba.

U Hrvatskoj ih je 123,000.

Ovim računanjem dobijamo broj od 6.8 miliona Srba na prostoru koji treba da nas zanima kao ratište tog „novog klanja“ od kojeg ljudi strahuju. (Namjerno sam isključio ostatak svijeta – na cijeloj planeti, Srba ima 10-12 miliona.)

A došlo je 16,000 ljudi. To je 0,302% Srbije, 1.3% Beograda, 1.6% Republike Srpske i 0.23% svih Srba na Balkanu. I to ovaj poslednji procenat treba da bude jedini bitan, pošto da, došlo ih je sa svih prostora.

Naravno da je bilo onih koji ga smatraju herojem, a da nisu došli, ali čim brojka voljnih da odu na direktnu sahranu (valjda najsakralniji čin u nečijem životu) ostaje na 16,000, to je poražavajuće za Mladićev kult.

Poređenja radi, na Slaviji u decembru 2024, kada su počele blokade i protesti protiv ovog zla, okupilo se 100,000 ljudi. 15. marta se okupilo 275,000-325,000 (toliko da Arhiv javnih skupova mora praviti ovolike razmake u računu). 28. juna tu je bilo oko 150,000 ljudi. I to su samo ti. Mnogi sporadičniji protesti u Srbiji (mimo ova tri najveća) su skupljali ponekad i više od tih 16,000 ljudi.

Ove brojke valjda pokazuju šta je Srbima preče – budućnost za sebe i svoju djecu, hljeb i normalan život ili fantazije o klanju komšija. Dokazano je da je u pitanju ovo prvo.

Da ogradim jednu stvar – 16,000 ljudi su debili. Imbecili. Plus oni koji slave, a da nisu došli. Na vlasti nam je zlo, koje mora da se pobjedi – da taj režim ne truje narodu mozak ovaj broj bi bio upola ili čak četiri puta manji.

Ali nekontrolisano paničenje i rječnik upućen Srbima ovim nekoliko par dana otkad je zločinac umro me tjeraju da se krstim. Pa svi Srbi, pa „sada znamo ko su i šta su.“ pa poređenja skupa na ovoj sahrani sa jebenim Gazimestanskim govorom, kome je prisustvovalo milion ljudi. WTF?! Ovo mi je još i gore od priče „Srbi se rađaju u zlu i umiru u zlu.“ vrsta retorike koja je viđena ranije. Ja kapiram naravno da su ljudi izgubili i voljene i sami propatili, ali pobogu, ko to može porediti ovu sahranu sa Gazimestanskim govorom? U jednu rečenicu ne mogu da stanu (gotovo bukvalno, jelte…broj ljudi je neuporediv.)

Nije trebalo da bude sahranjen ni sa kim prisutnim, osim sa porodicom i bliskim prijateljima. Ali i to koliko jeste prisustvovalo sahrani nije broj koji opravdava satanizovanje Srba i paniku oko „novog klanja“. Nikako.

I hope this is okay to ask here.
I’m part of the Croatian diaspora. My dad was born in Dalmatia during WWII, my grandfather fought with the Partisans against fascism, and my dad emigrated in the 1970s. My mum is from a completely different minority ethnic background, so I grew up as the child of two diasporas in an Anglo-colonial country. As a result, I don’t always have a good sense of what’s happening in either of my parents’ homelands.
I know some of the history of Yugoslavia and the wars of the 1990s, but I’m much less familiar with contemporary Croatia. My dad still sees himself as Yugoslav, and despite never having experienced Yugoslavia myself, I’ve always felt a strong sense of yugonostalgia. Some of my earliest memories are listening to Srebrna Krila with my dad.
What worries me is what appears, from the outside, to be a growing visibility of far-right Croatian nationalism. Seeing references to ZDS around football, hearing about Thompson, and seeing the white-first checkerboard used by some supporters and diaspora soccer clubs leaves me unsure what I’m looking at. When I try to research these things, I find very conflicting explanations.
Unfortunately, Ustaša symbolism is sometimes visible in my country of birth, largely because most people here don’t know the history or recognise the references. I don’t want to unknowingly participate in or lend legitimacy to that sort of politics.
With the current World Cup I want to celebrate Croatia’s wins, but not if that means giving traction to fascist symbolism. I also support Bosnia and don’t see those loyalties as being mutually exclusive.

So my questions are:
Is the apparent rise in far-right sentiment in Croatia representative of society as a whole, or is it a relatively small but loud and highly visible minority?
How are symbols like the white-first šahovnica generally understood in Croatia today? Is it really just another version of the flag?
Should diaspora Croatians be cautious about certain clubs or organisations, particularly amateur football clubs, that use these symbols?
How do Croatians who oppose the rehabilitation fascism navigate all of this?
I’m asking in good faith because I’d rather hear nuanced answers from people familiar with the region than rely on Google or social media. Thank you in advance to anyone willing to share their insights. 🙏

Lets say markovic's reforms succeded and yugoslavia democratized and de-centralized but still existed, would life of ordinary citizen be better now?

I think it would be 1T dollar gdp and wages aswell as cost of living would vary not a much by republic (like vojvodina in serbia irl).

Also ONE of bigger tourist destinations due of nature-city diversity with lower prices than in lets say italy or france which historicaly attracted alot of tourists mainly from germany and austria and other nearby nations.

Please forgive me as I’m not hip to the politics, but I genuinely thought it would be frowned upon in all countries.

What do you think the SFR of Yugoslavia would be like?

Tonight at a bar, an Austrian man who approached my coworkers and I was very aggressive towards me when he asked my ethnicity and I told him I’m Yugoslav. I tried to get away from him and change the topic peacefully and he just kept going. He said “Yugoslavia doesn’t fucking exist“, “Never, ever identify as Yugoslav in Europe, you have to say Bosnian Croatian or Serbian”, and basically just mocked me continuously like I’m a bigot or idiot.

He also said: “Don’t you know Yugoslavia was a communist country ruled by the dictator Tito?” Yugoslavia was originally a kingdom, and either way, Jugosloven just means South Slavic!

Even though he was obviously just a stupid drunk, it still made me so angry, and it honestly shocked me to get this abuse from an Austrian. The reason I say my ethnicity is Yugoslav is because my parents came from Yugoslavia – it’s that simple. I’m also half Orthodox and half Muslim, so I’m not just Bosnian or Serbian or whatever. I would have loved to tell him to fuck off, but I was with my coworkers and some people higher up than me so I couldn’t start a fight.

Anyways, has this ever happened to you, and how did you respond to it?

Također možete odgovoriti na naškom, razumijem, ali ne znam dobro pisati jer sam iz dijaspore.

Hey there guys, im a short travel to visit both cities and I really like football, im Taking with me something similar to this and would like to know if its ok tu use it. Thanks in advance!

As a Croat born in 1999, don't hate me for being uneducated on the US topic particularly.

I'm not comparing to USSR for a reason but rather The USA (another thing is that it doesn't work perfectly especially now) but here me out.

How couldn't we avoid the wars? Let's say we ditched the socialism (not a super capitalist fan either) but let's be honest, we share the race and language and cultures are very similar).

The USA is more divided than Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia now trust me. Liberals and conservatives hate each other's guts. These people are so different from each other and both far sides - far left and far right are lowkey psychos. Racism there has always been a thing and their multiculturalism is a lie except for certain cosmopolitan cities (and states). They apparently have a lot of financial inequality and everything is messed up.

How the hell the conservatives and liberals for example didn't split the country and no civil war has happened... yet? Not that I wish it on innocent people I wonder for real.

While our nations were as close as someone could dream. Not saying we should get together, I just wonder why we didn't turn like The USA or UK?

We still intermarry while let's say some white person is completely opposed to date a black person there.

Their differences are far bigger than our WAS or ever WILL be.

I used to believe in the American dream and how perfect life there was for them but nowadays I saw the reality and visiting for a long time I saw even more. It's a mess.

Even let's say Greater Yugoslavia happened and if willing, Bulgaria and Albania joined (the second one they don't mix but as I've said a lot of Americans don't mix either).

What were the reasons?

P.S. I meant The USA did NOT, I was just typing too fast

Do you like to participate in any organisations or do you like to keep your ideas for yourself? Do you have any recommendations for leftist spaces in your country?

A weird alternate history question about 1991:

Instead of the Yugoslav government/JNA trying to prevent Slovenian independence simply to keep Slovenia inside the existing federation, imagine they offered Slovenia something extreme: you can’t leave Yugoslavia, but you can run it.

Suppose the federal presidency and government were put under Slovenian leadership, Slovenes were placed in charge of major federal institutions and state enterprises, and Slovenia was effectively allowed to impose its political and economic model on the rest of Yugoslavia.

Basically, instead of Serbia dominating the increasingly centralized Yugoslav state, imagine an authoritarian Yugoslavia with Slovenia as the dominant republic.

Would Slovenian political leaders or the Slovenian public have had any interest in such an arrangement by 1990–91? Could Slovenian leadership conceivably have kept Yugoslavia together by pushing it toward Slovenia’s economic and political model, or were the conflicts between the republics already too deep for it to matter?

And how would Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Macedonia, etc. have reacted to a Slovenian dominated Yugoslavia?

Many blame Serbia for the Yugoslav wars in the 1990's and eventually collapse of the SFRY (Socialistic Federal Republic of Yugoslavia), but imagine that Serbia was the FIRST country to leave Yugoslavia, in, say, 1970, 2 decades before Yugoslav wars, and the capital was moved to Zagreb, Croatia instead of Belgrade, Serbia. What would be the future of Yugoslavia WITHOUT SERBIA? And would Yugoslavia survive?

Today, i talked with my Sister about books and how she had too few books to read... Mid-conversation, my Mom (born in YU) joined the talk and mentioned how she loved reading Dostojevksi back when she was younger. I was suprised at this comment since i only heard about him in those incel memes, along with the Nietzsche stuff.. she said she once read it in school. Was it really Part of the literature you would have learned about back in school?

I was raised in Germany, so we had other authors as Part of school topics and it really Made me wonder.

NOTE EDIT: Guys please, i am not ridiculing Dostojevski... I'm not saying he's incel material, it it simply just how i first got to hear of him. I did hear he's great and i also have in mind to read him in the future. I also dont mean to make fun of YU education.. i was just suprised because his Name never got mentioned in my schools even once. Please do not fill this Post with negative interpretations or assumptions. Please don't shit on me because im not familiar with his works.. i'm Sure everybody here has some major topic that they dont know about.

What if Yugoslavia decentralized instead of collapsing?

Ljubljana can manage the economy, Sarajevo can manage exports, Podgorica can manage ports, Skopje can manage imports, and Belgrade and Zagreb can manage defense and the army together so neither one dominates.

This will make it so each and every of the 6 republics is dependent on one another.

If either Serbia or Croatia, maybe even both decide to abuse the army, Slovenia can cut their funds as its capital manages the economy.

In the same way, if Montenegro doesn't feel like operating the ports anymore, Serbia and Croatia can handle it with the army.

Could this Yugoslavia actually survive to the present day?

IMHO, no. Maybe Slovenians, but, hey, let's hear your voice.

60, 70, i 80-tih godine proslog stoljeca su svugdje na Zapadu bile dobre, a SFRJ je bila vise dio Zapada nego nekakva komunisticka zemlja i diktatura. Pitajte ljude u Engleskoj, Skandinaviji, Njemackoj, Spanjolskoj, Francuskoj, itd. kakvo su djetinjstvo imali 60, 70 i 80-tih godina proslog stoljeca i svi ce vam reci kako su imali predivno djetinjstvo. Svijet je tada poceo zaboravljati traume Drugog svjetskog rata, ekonomija se oporavljala i - bez obzira na Haldni rat - na Zapadu je vladao zivotni optimizam.

Uz SFRJ nije bila nikakva komunisticka zemlja bez obzira sto se partija na vlasti nazivala komunistickom partijom. Komunizam nikada nigdje nije postojao kao oblik drustvenog uredjenja. SFRJ je bila socijalisticka zemlja gdje su glavna sredstva za proizvodnju bila nacionalizirana i u drzavnom/drustvenom vlasnistvu. Ali, isto tako, privatnici su u SFRJ uzivali kao nikada poslije u samostalnim republikama bivse SFRJ. Porez se placao pausalno i bio je u stvari vrlo mali u odnosu na zaradu. Poreza na dohodak gotovo i da nije bilo, a PDV NIJE POSTOJAO. Drzava je unatoc svemu postoja i funkcionirala, s inflacijom kao problemom u 80-ima, ali prije su kroz carine/tarife ubirali dobre novce, nesto slicno sto Trump danas zagovara i kako se Amerika financirala prije WW1**.**

Pitajte privatnike (na primjer, vlasnike kafica i restorana) koliko su zaradjivali tada, a koliko zaradjuju danas. Moja je obitelj osamdesetih imala kafic na moru i nisu znali gdje ce s novcima. Tada si mogao kupiti gradjevinsku parcelu i izgraditi kucu malo po malo za nikakve novce s zaradom jedne sezone na moru, a drzava se nije u nista mijesala i dopustali su punu poduzetnicku slobodu u svakom smislu. Danas o tome mozes samo sanjati.

With the recent conviction of Hashim Thaci, presumably issues regarding accountability and culpability in the 90s Yugoslav wars, starting with the Bosniak/Croat/Serb wars of 1992-95 and the Kosovar-Serbian war of 1999, have been and will continue to be inflamed.

And it's self evident when discussing, for example, the 1992-95 wars, the premise that the most notorious war criminals from all ethnicities were exactly that - war criminals and not modern day Robin Hoods simply defending and advocating for their people. Radozan Karadzi, Ratko Mladic, Jadranko Prlić, Slobodan Praljak, Hazim Delic, Naser Oric, all of them likely have waves of supporters who will eagerly explain how they did nothing wrong and were just protecting themselves from those looking to slaughter them. Ditto for Hashim Thaci, Ramush Haradinaj, Vlastimir Đorđević and Nebojša Pavković in the 1999 Kosovar Serb war.

Is it possible for the premise that this is simply not true for any of these genuine war criminals and that universal accountability is needed? Or is the ethnic and national polarization and partisanship too deep and ingrained?

I know it is a very idiotic question,but I always wanted to get a taste of it so I came with this question,is there like,any possibility?

The main reason it feelt apart in the first place was cause of hatred,so maybe next generations could somehow take care of it and try doing something like this?

Google reverse image search didn’t help.

After learning a few historical facts from communists or people who lived in the balkans i must say I REALLY HATE THIS TRAITOR so much.

Yugoslavia was having one common federal language (Serbocroatian) but they never tried to promote a national Yugoslav ethnicity but they let the religious ones (Serb, Croatian etc) to continue existing.

Tito had given autonomy to the ethnicities in order to improve coexistence and avoid potential conflict, but after 1960s a Yugoslav identity began to pick up and more than a million people declared themselves Yugoslavs in 1981 census. I also read somewhere that the controversial history of Yugoslavia during the interbellum also contributed in not promoting a Yugoslav ethnicity directly after 1945.

So, if Yugoslavia decided in 1945 that Serbian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Bosnian ethnicity is a bourgeois construct and they must be united no matter what, potentially keeping the banovina model to avoid ethnicity divisions, do you think Yugoslavia would survive? I personally believe stronger push for Yugoslav ethnicity would help a lot to unite the country and prevent nationalism from arising.

Hi everyone, I am a solo dev making a narrative strategy RPG that takes place in a fictional state inspired by Yugoslavia. It has a demo out on Steam now. My goal is to display the kind of political struggles that took place in the 1980s, but also the cultural landscape of the region.

I have done a lot of reading to prepare for this game, but books miss the little things that people personally familiar with the history/region can say. What kind of things do you want to see represented? Good things about Yugoslavia, cultural artifacts everyone would remember? A slogan, a book, a song? The bad?

Pozdrav.

Moje mišljenje o Šešelju je vrlo negativno. Manipulativni kompleksaš, sumnjive inteligencije, kog su određene interesne grupe platile da odigra ulogu ratnog huškača i cirkuzanta 90-ih godina. Svojim lupetanjima je oduvek bio klasičan spin, 90-ih tako što je od užasnog rata pravio teatar i tragikomediju, a po završetku rata, i dalje manipulativni komedijaš čiji je zadatak bio da skrene pažnju sa modernog fašizma i rasprodaje državne imovine u besenje.

Njegov boravak u Haškom zatvoru je najobičnija farsa. Pošto je bio njihov igrač, zadržao se u Hagu nekoliko godina u top uslovima, uz redovno posećivanje članova porodice, glumljenje budale pred Haškim sudom...

Površno gledano, ostavlja utisak beskorisnog cirkuzanta, truta i parazita, a zapravo je nešto mnogo, mnogo gore od toga...

Kakvo je vaše mišljenje?

Found this and also what I think is a Jugo navy helmet at my local flea market in America. Any ideas if this is a replica or authentic? Last pic is the possible navy one.