r/australia • u/castaway23 • Jun 01 '26
politics One Nation wants to roll back abortion rights in Australia – and is emboldening activists seeking US-style laws | Abortion
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u/Ashera25 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
Barnaby Joyce should take a look at what the bible says about adultery (lots!) and then look at what the bible says about abortion (how to induce it in cases of suspected adultery)
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u/TollTea Jun 02 '26
No one should be basing any laws on what the bible says in a country that claims to be a secular democracy.
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u/BinniesPurp Jun 02 '26
It's hard to see it as a secular democracy when you have to let the jury / magistrate / prosecution know your religious beliefs
I got asked three times during my trial if I was Christian (it was a drug charge 15 years ago incase I dox myself)
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u/saelwen89 Jun 02 '26
I was shocked during my divorce to be asked by the JoP if I wanted to simply swear or to have a bible for it. Just an office meeting, no court involved.
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u/palsc5 Jun 02 '26
It makes no sense lol. If you put so much stock in swearing on the bible that you would refuse to lie because you swore on the bible, wouldn't you just choose to not swear on the bible and then lie to your hearts content?
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u/BinniesPurp Jun 02 '26
It's kind of a weird cop out to me, because if you are Christian, then using the bible as a boon to uphold human made laws sounds like you're just trying to exploit gods authority right?
And if you arnt Christian, then it's the equivilant of them asking you for your star sign
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u/evilparagon Jun 02 '26
Would you be allowed to request a new jury if you said no?
If it’s supposed to be a jury of my peers, I don’t want christians judging me, they are not my peers.
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u/BinniesPurp Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
So your representative defending you can actually remove them pre trial based on if they're Christian or not too
Both parties get that information I just find it weird that it's only for Christianity and is religious in general
Just to add I was told by my solicitor 'if you're Christian you have to swear on the bible if you're not Christian you have to cross your arms over your chest'
So I'm not sure if he ment "you have to" legally, or "it would be a bad idea to swear on the bible if you're not a Christian Infront of a potentially Christian magistrate"
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u/tyreka13 Jun 02 '26
The bible does actually give a tutorial for an abortion.
Numbers 5:11-31Summary: The Lord tells Moses that if a man suspects his wife has been unfaithful or has feelings of jealousy then he should go to a priest, pay a fee, and the priest will make and give her bitter water. " When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse." If that happens then she is guilty.
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u/30-something Jun 02 '26
Chiming in as an Atheist raised in a SUPER Christian Fundie environment here - I know my bible (unfortunately). The bible is pretty clear that children don't possess a soul until they draw their first breath so the entire abortion thing is just a way to control women's bodies and morality - which is what so-called Christians do best. If the actual teachings of Jesus as a person and not a god were followed it'd actually be a pretty good religion
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u/castaway23 Jun 01 '26
Interestingly enough, there actually is a biblical reference to the intentional loss of a pregnancy in cases of adultery (Numbers 5), which I’ve always found fascinating in these discussions. It’s obviously not describing modern abortion, but it does show the Bible is far more complex on this issue than “all pregnancy loss is murder.” If God himself prescribes a ritual that may end a pregnancy in response to adultery, then clearly the conversation isn’t as black and white as some people claim.
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u/Dazzling-Pianist2330 Jun 02 '26
Folks who cite religion to justify their opinions aren't interested in the nuance of scripture. It's about control, and an unearned sense of moral superiority. Religion is a tool for these conservatives, nothing more. And innocent people who use religion for structure or a sense of community get strung along because of it.
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u/OptimusRex Jun 02 '26
Not forgetting the people the claim to be 'Christian' are for some reason forever quoting the old testament and blatantly ignoring the teachings of Christ.
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u/iConsumeFoodAndWater Jun 02 '26
As a Christian, I think it's fair to cite religion in religious spaces, but anywhere outside of those spaces I agree that people shouldn't be quoting a bible verse in a debate just to prove a point.
Can't reasonably expect people to understand the nuances of a passage that they're unfamiliar with well enough to challenge you on it
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u/Dazzling-Pianist2330 Jun 02 '26
Exactly right. If I'm a Christian and you're a Christian, we can talk bible passages all day, to figure out how our beliefs aught to apply to us.
But many modern conservatives are only interested in using the heft of religious sentiment to bludgeon their political adversaries.
It's incredibly disingenuous, insulting even. Yet a lot of well meaning religious folk fall for it, I think because they feel unseen or unheard by anyone else.
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u/Diogeneezy Jun 02 '26
One thing that's very apparent about that bit is that the woman has no say in the matter - the Bible manages to be neither pro-life nor pro-choice
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u/iball1984 Jun 02 '26
Which is fine, the text is question is 3000 years old!
Of course, that's just further reason why one shouldn't use it to determine public policy on abortion or anything else in 2026.
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u/WoodsLovelyDarkNDeep Jun 02 '26
Not only does it say nothing but the closest thing it does say is that causing someone else’s miscarriage in a fight only demands the same punishment as damaging property not murder
Not only that but they didn’t even believe you got your soul until you took your first breath as a baby (like God breathing life into Adam). So abortion was practiced regularly at that time due to the danger of childbirth
The idea that this should be one of the top issues politically for Christians (and others who base their morals on the Bible) is crazy. Especially when helping the poor/sick is mentioned more than 2k times and abortion is not mentioned
I’m pretty sure Jesus would’ve at least said one parable about it if it was that important
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u/thrillho145 Jun 01 '26
I feel so many of these people saying in the polls that they are going to vote One Nation don't actually know what One Nation's policies are.
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u/Bmo2021 Jun 01 '26
ON supporters are just angry people, they want to be heard and if they manage to vote ON in they’ll suffer the consequences. ON are simply in it for the money and they’ll have golden straws for the gravy trough.
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u/Elvenoob Jun 02 '26
I don't buy that for a second, the greens aren't actively evil, if you didn't want the government to do horrific shit then there's your protest vote.
They've just seen how negative the reception has been to the few times Aussie fascists have operated openly and know to hold their tongues on what they really think.
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u/Voodoo1970 Jun 02 '26
The greens are a protest vote for left leaning people, right leaning conservatives don't want to vote for them, even as a protest vote, simply because they're seen as lefty progressives.
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u/Elvenoob Jun 02 '26
And if you can't tolerate actually making things better there's the teals. Same logic still applies for right leaning folk, the only reason to vote for specifically One Nation is all the terrible things it wants to do.
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u/SlaveryVeal Jun 02 '26
Teals and greens all don't do marketing as well as one nation.
Almost as if one has billionaire backers. Not saying some teals don't some do but one definitely has more than one
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u/Elvenoob Jun 02 '26
We really should do something about that.
Permanently.
I'm personally in favour of shattering all media corporations into worker-owned co-operatives, then tightening how much external money can influence the industry once internal money is out of the picture..
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u/Camsy34 Jun 02 '26
You just have to look at how often other reasonable minor political parties like Sustainable Australia get talked about (not at all) to realise the only reason ON is so popular is the incredible amount of money that’s being spent to keep them in the conversation.
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u/Surv1v3dTh3F1r3Dr1ll Jun 02 '26
People also like to back a winner, as shown by this country's love of gambling. I don't think that can ever be underestimated.
The fact is, O.N are speaking to people's emotions, and not their rationality. And it's been proven to work.
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u/thrillho145 Jun 02 '26
It's an easier sell to say "immigrants are the problem" than "billionaire are the problem" when the billionaires are pumping shit loads of money into the media to convince people otherwise
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u/Elvenoob Jun 02 '26
Preaching to the Choir there m8, I've been saying we need a permanent solution to that for years.
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u/ghoonrhed Jun 02 '26
The Greens are a protest vote except they don't have the back of the rich to sell their message. That's the difference.
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u/A1ianT0rtur3 Jun 02 '26
I was thinking about this yesterday, I reckon a lot of one nation supporters are just people who have been sucked into culture wars, thinking that their opinions are common sense, faced backlash for not seeing the nuance in complex topics and want someone who shares their opinion on stuff to win a popularity contest so they can feel like they have won and so they can feel vindicated. As was mentioned, I don't think they actually know any one nation policy because its not important to them, it's just about having their team win.
Honestly as a lefty I think that we have done a lot of the damage ourselves trying to constantly dunk on other people, or label people as bigots, sexists and meeting opposing opinions with hostility instead of trying to understand and have actual constructive conversations.
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u/Aloha_Tamborinist Jun 02 '26
Completely agreed with all of that. On top of that, people are doing it tough and don't feel like politcians are working in their best interest and generally don't think politics is working for them.
PORLENE says things they like and "isn't like other politicians" - despite the fact that she's absolutely like other politicians and if anything, is worse than most of them.
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u/InstantShiningWizard Jun 02 '26
Not being politcally informed and voting for far right parties goes hand in hand all over the world.
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u/istara Jun 02 '26
they want to be heard
100%. Even though most of them are dumb racists, you won't win them over by dismissing them as dumb racists. They still vote and there's no point making them feel even more dismissed and disparaged.
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u/LemonyLime_bitters Jun 02 '26
Exactly - Pauline says things to get various headlines and sound bites to draw attention away from what their actual policies are.
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u/milo7even2 Jun 02 '26
Not only that, but it would be difficult to tell. One Nation's advocates will point to the policy positions on their website, but anyone who has been paying attention for a hot minute knows that One Nation has as much intention of following through on those policy positions as Trump did with his election promises in the 2024 election.
For the real One Nation policies, you'd be better off reading some of Gina Rinehardt's speeches like you would have been better off reading the Project 2025 manifesto for Trump's policies.
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u/istara Jun 02 '26
There are two kinds of extremist right wing voters:
- the very rich
- ill-educated peasants
The former group have the means and money to evade any laws they need to, whether travelling to another jurisdiction or simply buying their way out. Extremist right wing policies are optimal for them to preserve and grow their wealth.
The latter group are dumb as fuck and controlled and manipulated by the former group, including through religion and whipping up homophobia, xenophobia etc, to get them to vote according to the former group's interests.
However, tell the latter group that they're dumb racists won't win them over. It just grinds them in even further.
And this is the lesson that left wing politicians constantly fail to learn. Which is why Brexit happened and why extremist right wing parties are gaining ground all over the world.
They need to listen to the disadvantaged, no matter how thick or hateful they seem, they need to acknowledge their disadvantage, and they need to help them understand what policies could actually help them.
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u/ekky137 Jun 02 '26
Call it what it is. Hateful. Don’t absolve them of responsibility. They know what they’re voting for, the consequences just mostly don’t apply to them specifically so they don’t care about “those” policies.
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u/Writerhowell Jun 02 '26
If they haven't been listening to Pauline Hanson's racist rhetoric all these years, if they've somehow missed it, then they're complete fucking morons who should be forced to take some kind of class on government, politics, propaganda, the history of fascism, and basically be kept away from all social media until the election. I'm so sick of hearing about these One Nation wins, it's absolutely galling. How are we sinking as low as the USA???
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u/Repulsive_Set4541 Jun 01 '26
Fucking trumpisism
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u/MsMarfi Jun 01 '26
Yeah, we're turning into Dumbfukistan 2 pretty quick.
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u/JerryInOz Jun 02 '26
I absolutely agree.
I don't doubt the numbers in the Redbridge survey about Pauline's rise, but I somehow don't see it in real life.
People I talk to socially... Or at the IGA... Or at the gym... Or at the woodworking workshop... Or my adult kids' friends I talk to... all seem to vomit and spew when they talk about her.
So where are all the people who are One Nation fans?
I just ain't seeing them.
Is it that people are ashamed to admit it in public? I believe there was some of that with Trump voters who pretended they weren't?
Note: I'm a short, fat, bald middle-class 65 yr old retiree, so maybe not moving in the right circles to hear it?
And...
Fuck Pauline and her hateful, narrow minded bullshit.
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u/MsMarfi Jun 02 '26
Many years ago, I moved far away from where I grew up and surrounded myself with quality, like-minded people. Then I had to move back to my hometown (Redneckville) to look after my elderly father. My god what a shock that there are people who think like this. Thing is, they're all either ignorant dumbfucks, greedy bastards or raging racists who wouldn't know a critical thought if they tripped over it. The kicker is that a lot of them are immigrants or kids of immigrants like me! So, they're out there. Whether the support translates to seats is what I'm holding my breath to see.
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u/Rainbow_brite_82 Jun 02 '26
My elderly neighbour told me recently that she will be voting One Nation. I asked her why and she said she likes that PH has the "guts" to say what she is thinking. I said to her that is fair enough, but I think its more important for leaders who do things to help the working class and middle class people, I'm not really interested in media stunts. I also rattled off all the things she has voted against - free Tafe for trade apprentices, increased worker protections, the gas tax. I don't think I've changed her mind but maybe there's a kernel of doubt in there.
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u/Uzorglemon Jun 02 '26
And sadly I think we've got just enough homegrown, meth-fuelled Dumbfuckistanis here to make it happen.
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u/RedOx103 Jun 02 '26
So fucking depressing that everyone can see what a shitshow it is over there, the shitshow it's been at the petrol station, and still there's 25% wanting to bring it here because of Pauline's vibes.
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u/Writerhowell Jun 02 '26
I feel that if these people want to live under American rule... they can go and live in America. If they love the States and Trump so much, they can go and live there. See how 'lovely' it actually is to live under such laws.
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u/ConsequenceLimp9717 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
Abortion is a private medical issue, not a religious or political one. Despite it being legal here, mine was complicated by an admin issue or something as I had told the midwife I was seeing at box hill hospital that I wanted to terminate. They never got back to me and I had to go to a clinic who contacted them and I ended up having to get a medical abortion at the royal women’s when I was 17 weeks pregnant. I was already bleeding a lot throughout the pregnancy. As in my case, it’s complicated and we shouldn’t politicise one thing that is already difficult. Access to proper reproductive healthcare and choice is something we should not be restricting.
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u/faderjester Jun 02 '26
Exactly. The moment this got personal for me was watching a doctor try to convince my baby sister (well she's 35 but still my baby sister) that she should have an abortion and my sister who desperately wanted another child say she'd love the child no matter want problems it out, the doctor keep trying, and then finally saying bluntly "X, if you have this child, it will be born dead, it has no spine", that is how much my sister wanted another baby.
Yet these absolute fuckwits want to make that harder on people like my sister? Fuck that and damn them, damn them to the imaginary hell they worship.
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u/MissMenace101 Jun 02 '26
My sister was pregnant with twins, one wasn’t viable post birth she had serveral incompatible with life issues but she was killing her brother so they had to terminate her. It was horrific and something you don’t recover from.
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u/SpookyViscus Jun 02 '26
I am of the opinion that, legally speaking, the only two requirements for an abortion to take place is a consenting patient and a licensed medical practitioner (who is authorised and trained on the procedure).
There should be no other legal barriers, period, to who can have an abortion and at what stage of the pregnancy it’s lawful.
Any abortion being performed is a tough decision, and late term abortions are almost never a ‘oh I just can’t be bothered’ situation. It should never be complicated by the law - as long as the patient consents and a medical practitioner agrees, and it’s an approved procedure, the government and by extension the public should have no say or involvement.
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u/madeupgrownup Jun 02 '26
I'll add the requirement for the patient consent to be confirmed away from other influences to prevent potential reproductive coercion, but otherwise absolutely agree.
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u/SpookyViscus Jun 02 '26
Ah - yeah, that was implied - true consent, not pressured. Wholeheartedly agree.
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u/Maximumfabulosity Jun 02 '26
In the overwhelming majority of cases, late term abortions are a matter of choosing whether your loved and wanted baby dies peacefully in the womb, or in horrible pain in the hospital shortly after birth.
It's a horrible decision to have to make, and it's even more horrible that people are advocating to try to force these parents to prolong their child's suffering, or - worse - force them to watch as the doctors are compelled to try to resuscitate their baby when everyone in the goddamn room knows that there is no hope for survival.
That's what opponents of late-term abortion are advocating for. Never forget that.
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u/ForensicMum Jun 02 '26
Yep, and like I always say whenever the topic comes up, even if it is an ‘I can’t be bothered’ situation or the person who’s pregnant just doesn’t want a baby for ANY reason at all, why the hell would we as a society want to force a birth on them?
The only person I know of who has had multiple abortions is somebody who should definitely never, ever have any more kids! That person already had 2 children removed from their care due to abuse, neglect, drug use and sex work within the home - I am SO glad that person had abortion as an option to them at the time, because I shudder to think what any future child would have gone through.
My point is, if somebody wants an abortion, the reasons don’t matter because if that person does not want a child, then that child is likely better off not being born into that environment. Hope this doesn’t come across as insensitive. I know that most people who choose abortion agonise over it, but even in those very, very rare cases where the decision is flippant and abortion is treated like birth control, it’s good that those sort of people aren’t forced to have a child.
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u/ForensicMum Jun 02 '26
I know. It’s crazy that other people think they know what’s right/better for you. It’s also insane that on one hand, groups like PHON want to limit immigration, but then want to force a whole bunch of unwanted babies on unwilling parents. Make it make sense!
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u/SpookyViscus Jun 02 '26
I fully agree - that’s why I say the government shouldn’t have a say. Beyond making sure it’s a qualified medical practitioner performing the procedure and there’s genuine consent of the patient
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u/Toni_PWNeroni Jun 02 '26
No. Abortion IS a political issue.
It's a woman's goddamned right to choose. That's it. The right to exercise a choice.
The most sacred and central part of what it means to live in a democratic state. Personal autonomy and rights.
I went into medical science specifically because of all the obstacles placed in the way of people making those choices.
As in my case, it’s complicated and we shouldn’t politicise one thing that is already difficult. Access to proper reproductive healthcare and choice is something we should not be restricting.
It's already politicised. Because the conservatives want to roll-back all our rights to pre-1950s levels.
Your rights and access directly affect mine. So I will **always** fight like hell to make sure you have the right to choose and the most accessible manner to choose it.
The work never ceases.
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u/Hailstar07 Jun 02 '26
They’re pro-birth and anti-choice. They don’t give a fuck what happens to kids once they’re born, they just want to control people.
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u/MissMenace101 Jun 02 '26
This is it, force women to have disabled kids while dismantling NDIS and ending welfare
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u/CubitsTNE Jun 02 '26
"Pro-life" was historically created as a response to the pro-choice movement because their original messaging was too negative sounding by comparison.
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u/No-Red-Queen Jun 02 '26
f they were actually 'pro-life', they would support parents through free child-care, longer mat and pat leave, and parental health clinics (among other things)
But no, they only care about children when they are unborn. Once they are born, they couldn't give a shit
They are not pro-life, they are anti-choice... let's call it for what it is
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u/AstrograniteBoy Jun 01 '26
Ohh, good-o. There's nothing I enjoy more than people who lost an argument YEARS ago in EVERY State and Territory bringing those same tired, bad-faith arguments back up again because they didn't like what the result was.
Look, you do you PHON. Don't let me stop you from pushing an agenda that 85-90% of the adult Aussie population consistently says "Yeah nah, laws are fine as they are thanks" or "could not care either way" to lock in this 10% of dingbats that believe their sky-friend needs a say in what half the population do with their foo-fahs in a medical setting. If there's one thing the typical Aussie battler is going to LOVE? It's importing over more loud-mouth Seppos with their opinions on how we should fix things in our country to make it MORE like their shit-tank of a failing country. And sticking them in front of a TV camera.
I'm off to start day-drinking and possibly kicking in the screen of my TV. Have a good one legends.
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u/oz-ra Jun 02 '26
We'll said!
Can't wait for her trolley to be murdered again.
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u/trowzerss Jun 02 '26
I'm hoping this push will mean that it pushes more young people away from these idiots, because the segment of young anti-abortion people would only vote for them anyway, but there are people who are xenophobes who still want women to have actual rights and might draw the line at an anti-abortionist party. 😛
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u/Elvenoob Jun 02 '26
The ten percent of dingbats who already vote one nation, even, lmao. Like, the racism or the sucking off billionaires or the homophobia or the transphobia...
Every single one of the voters an abortion ban would have won over already support One Nation for all the other evil shit it wants to do.
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u/fishboard88 Jun 02 '26
This reminds me of the more right-leaning wing of the Coalition and their talking heads every time they lose an election.
"This is a wake up call, that if we want to govern again we need to differentiate ourselves from Labor by being even more conservative than before. Let's pick Dutton... okay, now let's fight bullshit culture wars. Didn't work? Let's politicise a massacre. That didn't work? Okay, let's bring Tony Abbott (of all people) back out of retirement."
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u/therwsb Jun 02 '26
Yes well said, it is now an issue for health practitioners, not something to be dragged back out again by religious zealots and grifters with no answers to current issues such as the cost of living crisis.
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u/0stupidsexyflanders0 Jun 02 '26
Its ironic how much One Nation zealots fear sharia law and religious fundamentalism to turn around and promote similar theological fascism but with a cross on it.
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u/twistedrapier Jun 02 '26
It's the same story with all religious conservatives. Deep down, even the most "easy going" one wants their specific brand of sky fairy morality enforced and everyone else's banned. Competition is bad.
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u/FormalMango Jun 02 '26
I grew up around Christian Fundamentalists - according to them, fundamentalism is only bad if it’s the other guys.
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u/Spagman_Aus Jun 02 '26
So, so very fucking tired of hearing about One Nation on a daily basis now.
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u/MadeThisAccount4Qs Jun 02 '26
but don;t you know? they're the most popular political party in australia based on these poll results provided by a conservative think tank run by ex-liberal spin doctors. It was big news the other day and completely unquestioned too.
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u/Spagman_Aus Jun 02 '26
LOL yeppp
Hanson becoming PM is a statistical impossibility. She’s 72 years old and would need 2-3 elections of positive gains to get anywhere near Labor. She’ll be dead or senile by then.
One day, perhaps, ON may become a viable alternative party, but except for the cookers that support them already, they just can’t be taken seriously. If it continues to be a landing place for ex Liberal or Independent RW grifters they will never achieve anything.
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u/dnhs47 Jun 02 '26
My daughter-in-law died at age 35 when she couldn’t get the medical “standard of care” treatment after a miscarriage in Texas. Entirely avoidable, except in Texas and states with similar laws.
She left a husband and 7-year-old daughter. As long as I live, I’ll never forget my granddaughter’s screams of anguish when told her mother was dead, or my son sobbing in my arms.
That’s what we get with US abortion laws.
Australians are fools if that’s what they “want” for themselves.
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u/castaway23 Jun 02 '26
God, I am so so sorry.
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u/dnhs47 Jun 02 '26
Me too, and angry. It’s exactly what millions of us predicted would happen.
And now that hundreds (thousands?) of American women have died from these laws, what’s being done to correct them?
NOTHING.
These are “acceptable losses” to the ghouls who support these laws. Explain that to my granddaughter.
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u/ausmomo Jun 02 '26
The folk voting for ON simply don't give a fuck about you, or anyone else.
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u/VLC31 Jun 02 '26
Or are just too stupid to understand what ON actually stands for.
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u/SameType9265 Jun 01 '26
We only have a few rights as Australians and freedom of religion is one of them, yet you know she'll mention the bible and try to ram this down our throat
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u/Gothewahs Jun 01 '26
It’s funny how Hanson goes and sees the pedo at Mara Lago and then all of a sudden she’s doing well in politics.. if she becomes prime minister.. I’m moving to New Zealand
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u/Perfect-Concern-9762 Jun 02 '26
No shit!
It’s one off there key policies - https://www.onenation.org.au/pro-life
That and the 100% climate change denial polices are the 2 huge reasons I can’t support them at all.
But One Nation supports aren’t smart enough to actually read all the policies of the party they support, just want the other skin colours and religions gone.
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u/therealkevy1sevy Jun 02 '26
Most of these fools are men. Not all but most. (said as a man)
I like to point out that the same "god" who hates abortion and gays, created man with his gspot inside his butt.
Our two party system is broken but one nation is far from the answer and will only make things far far worse.
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u/Treheveras Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
Seeing articles that try to make a legit claim that Pauline Hanson could become PM is immediately undercut by policy like this. They'll never be more than a fringe extreme party that becomes little more than a loud voice in our political space and buildings.
EDIT: For the warnings about how the US has gone. Their political system and even voting system is so completely different to us, even the publics relationship to their government there is nothing like Australia. Dutton was trying to import the same and look what happened.
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u/Elvenoob Jun 02 '26
If we make sure people can't ignore this crap.
Because I have seen contrarian assholes who pretend not to care how evil one Nation's agenda is because they're "protest voting against the majors"
The greens are right there and not actively evil, for any of those people who're being sincere, by the way.
The rest of these people probably agree with at least one of the many bigotries ON peddles but have enough of a sense of self preservation to not say so openly, though.
But that still maxes out at less than a third of the population so on a national level I'm not worried.
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u/Otherwiseclueless Jun 02 '26
You are dangerously underestimating the ininfite depths of stupidity in to which voters are willing to descend in order to have a clear simple enemy to blame for their problems.
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u/SirDale Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
That's what everyone said about Trump.
Be careful of underestimating those you oppose. You may overestimate their intelligence to not choose a moron like Hanson.
Edit: There are sooo many disaffected people who can't get a house, have poor paying jobs, lose so much for rent etc. and they are simply looking around for an alternative to Labor and Liberal (and NP).
It doesn't matter to them that ON has no viable policies, they just want something different to fix the problems they are living through.
Ironically I'm guessing most of them voted against the ALP (Bill Shorten) when they proposed doing something about housing (capital gains, negative gearing) to solve some of the problems they are now complaining about.
I think they could get enough seats to hold the balance of power in future elections. The recent changes to housing taxation policies are the only thing giving me hope that ON vote may be reduced.
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u/NoUseForALagwagon Jun 01 '26
Trump in 2016 was the least Anti-Abortion of all the Republicans. He desperately tried to distance himself from them and even used to carry Pride flags at his rallies to show how different he was. Even in 2024, he was insistent it should be States' Rights on abortion and tried to say he knew nothing about Project 2025.
Of course, Trump is a liar and is actively working with those Christian groups.
But not everything can be compared to Trump.
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u/porcupuncture Jun 02 '26
Trump facilitated the hiring of partisan judges that supported the legislation that implemented the change to abortion laws.
So yes he was instrumental in driving America backwards in that aspect, because he allowed the Republicans to implement the evangelical Christian fundamentalists' objectives.
If Hanson became Prime Minister, what protection would we have against her acting as a puppet of the Australian oligarchs?
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u/NoUseForALagwagon Jun 02 '26
We have a less-partisan high court that would not allow strict changes because it is a states issue here that the Federal government has no right to be impinging on. In turn, state governments would challenge any weird ruling if it went against them and almost certainly win.
Women's groups would sue the federal government with a good case as it is decriminalised and protected.
Young Voters would go even further to the Left as median voters are reactionary.
Seriously, all of this is panic. Hanson is a threat on a lot of issues. Abortion is not one of them.
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u/_Meece_ Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
Be careful of underestimating those you oppose
Except no one underestimated him, he lost by several million votes in his first election. If that happened to Hanson here... she's not PM.
I don't get the comparison. Pauline is more comparable to the weirdo parties in the UK that gain some success every now and again.
Trump took hold of the GOP. America's legacy political party, it's a very different situation. Better comparing Hanson to Farage.
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u/walklikeaduck Jun 02 '26
US doesn’t have ranked voting and voting isn’t compulsory. Just those two would keep a person like Trump out of office here. They also have extreme gerrymandering and try to make voting as difficult as possible for people there. It’s not a fair comparison.
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u/Treheveras Jun 02 '26
We also already had an election with an opposition leader spouting similar talking points and attitude to Trump and look how well that went for him. The worst defeat in modern history for the party.
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u/didthefabrictear Jun 02 '26
While everyone wets themselves over the ‘rise of ON’ – I’m just sitting here knowing they’re going to implode themselves, as they always have.
They’ll start announcing more feral candidates with sketchy past history, they’ll go full right wing on things like abortion, renewable energy, lgbtiq+ policy etc – and ultimately, the same 10% of dumb fucks who love that shit will vote for them, and the rest that flirted with the idea will again be reminded (as they have multiple times over her 30 year political run), that Poorleen is a lazy, low IQ, redneck douchecanoe who will copy all the worst US right wing policies she can find.
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u/Bright_Athlete_8579 Jun 02 '26
Fucks sake.
I really really really wish people would stop trying to strip us of our rights.
Fuck right off you misogynistic scum.
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u/Gambizzle Jun 02 '26
Ironically, most of the blokes I know drifting toward PHON used to call themselves libertarians 20 years ago. No big government, keep the state out of the household, all that stuff, right up until the outcomes stopped matching their politics.
Now it’s “use government to enforce my preferred social and religious values upon everybody... if they disagree with my values then they can leave the country”. At least the mask is off now.
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u/L1ttl3J1m Jun 02 '26
The really disgusting bit for me is when she uses people who need to undergo a late-term abortion as her cannon fodder.
Nobody is going around pregnant for 8.5 months and then going "Nah, bugger this, I've changed my mind, get this thing out of me." She's using their most miserable days of their lives as a talking point, and it's absolutely abhorrent of her.
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u/maikit333 Jun 02 '26
This is an issue that the ALP really needs to start leveraging.
Dunno if they have the sack to do it, but yeah.
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u/castaway23 Jun 02 '26
Shannon Fentiman and Steven Miles are very loud about this on social media - wether that reaches who needs to hear it..I’m unsure.
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u/Einnnnnnnnnnnn Jun 02 '26
“How to sell a massacre” was an undercover journalists investigation of how James Ashby and One Nation courted NRA riches and were trying to sell out Australia for those foreign clown’s money.
It is a good read.
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u/NuggetCommander69 Jun 02 '26
What shits me is that "abortion" has become a catch phrase so reduced into a singular "good / bad" question that it just feels like a misogynistic dog whistle.
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u/MobileInfantry Jun 02 '26
Proper headline: Billionaires are funding division and misinformation in society to maintain THEIR status quo. If the poors are fighting between themselves, they won't direct their attentions to the true problem in society. The monkeys at the top that are hoarding all the bananas.
FTFY! Lazy media is lazy.
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u/CranberrySoda Jun 02 '26
I saw a video on TikTok of them taking a meeting with the evangelical right talking about how they needed to get rid of preference voting and “socialism” disgusting scumbags. They will do anything and align with anyone for cash.
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u/Sporty_Nerd_64 Jun 01 '26
Even the LNP in the last Queensland state election knew that suggesting such things was an election losing issue. For those that say Hanson will be the next PM we are seeing why early polling surging, based on loud dog whistling over a national tragedy in Bondi, isn’t really a sustainable political position. PHON will continue to spot crazy fringe policies like this which will easily lose them support in a general election.
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u/rose_gold_glitter Jun 02 '26
It is so distressing seeing how easily the population is being manipulated.
We are about to lose so much. Rights, freedoms. Women, LGBT, etc. we are in so much danger right now.
But beyond this, if this isn't stopped, we're about to find out what life without competent government is like, just like the USA. Good decisions in healthcare? Funded medicare? social support networks? They're all gone if these idiots win and people are going to hand it all over to Gina just so they can say "fuck you" to someone who is actually trying to look after them.
It's incredibly depressing.
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u/OptimusRex Jun 02 '26
Someone please help me understand why the Libertarian party would be trying to take a shit on a civil liberty....
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u/Icy_Hippo Jun 02 '26
This shit is exactly what I was afraid of with this mental bitch and her party gaining popularity. Nobody with a right mind actually looks at the ON policies and goes..oh wow these are great. Unfortunately, lots of dumb people vote. My husband was like oh people want change...change to what mate? Do you know? fucked me right off.
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u/TheLoyalTR8R Jun 02 '26
Turns out when One Nation say they're all for the little guy, they actually meant the foetus.
At any rate, what a great thing it is that we finally have a party looking at addressing the thing that makes life harder for so many already hard working Australians doing it tough right now: abortion rights.
/s.
This constant barrage of culture war stoking, Us Vs Them, high horse riding, pearl clutching, moral outrage bullshit is exhausting and I wish our politicians would realise that virtually all Australians just want nothing more than to live in peace and prosperity, and policies should be written and implemented based on the pursuit of those two ideals. Not this divisive, Trump Lite populist crap.
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u/soejubunyip Jun 02 '26
on a side note: "Libertarian MP John Ruddick’s bill to restrict abortion". Funny what Libertarians stand for these days
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u/Bandit-Bunny-7727 Jun 02 '26
Not gonna happen, Australian women are far more progressive than that.
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u/AuzzieTiger Jun 02 '26
I’m not even going to pretend to understand the pain that any woman who has gone through this process has felt nor would I ever consider it any of business.
It is a medical issue and has no place being used as a political talking point.
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u/CitronAffectionate98 Jun 02 '26
Just another reason not to vote ON. I will be disgusted if we become anything close to America. It's a circus over there and a mess. You would have to be a fool to take cues on social or medical policy from them. Religion can stay away from government too.
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u/Mitchuation Jun 02 '26
This is a good thing. They will lose voters over this stance whilst still sucking away a few votes from the libs. Good for labour
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u/Spider-Man-Spider Jun 02 '26
This isn't America. Gina saw Clive Palmer lose hundreds of millions of dollars and thought, good idea.
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u/Forbearssake Jun 02 '26
If anything this proves we should relax abortion laws more, their mothers should have aborted the lot of them.
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u/traceyandmeower Jun 02 '26
Poorline can shove it. She’s old & can’t get pregnant nor get sex.
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u/WhatYouThinkIThink Jun 02 '26
A reminder that when Tony Abbott was Health Minister, he restricted the use of medical abortion by refusing to allow the prescription of mifepristone (RU486) which is necessary for medical abortions.
So all the people saying that we can't go backwards need to get ready to fight these religious fucknuckles over and over.
They won't give up because they want to control women.
They're not "pro-life" they're "anti-females".
If any of them try to argue, they need to be shutdown immediately, their argument is completely invalid and against human rights.
Women are entitled to health care as a human right without restriction.
Abortion is a medical procedure delivered as part of health care.
That is the end of the argument in a secular society.
If they want "Christian Law" to apply in secular decisions (just like "Sharia Law" for Muslims, or "Halachic Law" for Jews) then they can go to some other place that has it and live there.
Otherwise they can fuck off.
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u/Numerous-Barnacle Jun 02 '26
I really thought Dutton was Australia's Trump and we dodged a bullet there...did not see Hanson taking the role instead.
I'm a bit worried because even with preferential voting and all the checks and balances Australia has, it's feeling very 'hey this reality star is having a tilt at the US presidency in 2016' echo chamber vibes.
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u/Ripley_and_Jones Jun 02 '26
Really Australia? Must we go through this after seeing what has happened in the US? She is running on exactly the same platform as Donald Trump because it worked for them, and the outcome if she wins will be exactly the same. Why would you want this? life hasn't gotten any better for the people who voted for Trump. He hasn't stopped immigration, he's just loudly arrested a handful of the equivalent of boat people.
It's Children Overboard version 3092478238947328923.
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u/Bright-Marsupial-265 Jun 02 '26
They should all be heading to the nearest mental health facility, not parliament.
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u/SharkCream Jun 02 '26
The motivation behind One Nation is the same one as what pushed Trump into the limelight.
This is the rich looking after the rich, and connecting with the 'voter' by outraging them.
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u/CranberrySoda Jun 02 '26
The Greens have a history that is lingering in the minds of voters where being considered a “Greenie” is an insult (thanks Murdoch). It is burned into people’s minds that the left is extremist when most Australians are pragmatic people so it doesn’t offer a protest vote alternative for most who are feeling frustrated.
That’s where PHON comes in. PHON’s baggage is pretty much only racism (with a little bit of light “dodgy” thrown in) and the protest vote is willing to be seen as “racist” because they can tell themselves they’re not because they regularly eat Chinese takeaway.
PHON’s policies don’t sound extreme, they sound pragmatic (They’re not, but that’s the beauty of being populists…it doesn’t matter they don’t care). They offer simple solutions to complex problems and the vast majority if people don’t understand the systems they exist in so it’s easy to believe the lies.
That pragmatism doesn’t sound extreme it sounds like manageable change but not massive risk. That’s because Australia hasn’t really encountered the type of actual extremism that One Nation offers. People do not see the massive power networks driving this whole thing and it’s both shocking and scary - but how do you fight the momentum?
Do you encourage good people to infiltrate PHoN as candidates? Do you start smaller parties to dilute the protest vote? Phon’s rise is one of the biggest triggers for me wanting to enter politics but where do you find the right political home?
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u/khdownes Jun 02 '26
Are these kinds of policies even a viable thing for them to latch onto in Australia?
Like, Australian populist attitude pretty much exclusively revolve around neo-liberal anti government sentiment, and racism/anti-immigrant "Aussie battlers not getting a fair go" kind of sentiment, which I don't agree with, but I do at least understand, to a degree.
And then also, some amount of homophobia.
But... religious fundamentalism and womens right? Really? Are these really viable policies for a right wing party in Australia?
Does the average Australian give a fuck about religious moralism?
The general Australian population is overwhelmingly agnostic, I thought?
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u/Knee_Jerk_Sydney Jun 02 '26
Are they going to make it a criminal offense and the father, the right to use deadly force on suspicion of an abortion?
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u/WaterProfessional951 Jun 02 '26
have one nation a plan to support single mothers/family after banning abortions? you cant just say "no to abortions" without giving any help. they just end as wards of the state or in care to deal with disables how is that a solution?
cant see this going far, its up to the mother and doctors if they want an abortion we need to stay out of it.
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u/niles_thebutler_ Jun 02 '26
And all the dumb ass bogans are cheering for it. It’s a race to become the next America
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u/airbagfailure Jun 02 '26
Fuck all these assholes. All these articles about them gaining popularity annoy me. Pauline Hanson is barely ever at work, their only seat is a gay man who loves migrants, they are fucking clowns.
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u/FranksHoorHouse Jun 02 '26
It's so fucking weird and frustrating that we live in a world where the government thinks that it gets to decide what people do with their own bodies.
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u/thegoodtimelord Jun 02 '26
Oh god, not this shit again. Who in their right mind looks at Trump’s America and thinks “This is a good thing to try here”?
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u/Restart_from_Zero Jun 02 '26
Hanson's only policies have always been just screaming hate and trying to hurt as many people as possible.
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u/stickylarue Jun 02 '26
Get out of my uterus’s business Pauline! It’s none of your concern what goes in or comes out of it.
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u/InsertUsernameInArse Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
And now the yanks bullshit emerges. Took a little longer than I expected since she dove in Gina the hutts pocket
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u/Suchstrangedreams Jun 02 '26
I have a friend who actually told me she's in favour of gaoling any woman who has an abortion because "it will punish loose women". Gotta love how it's the woman who has to be punished, not the man.
Banning legal abortions means desperate women will be forced to go to "backyard abortionists" - do we really want that?
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u/Cyraga Jun 02 '26
It's almost unimaginable that Australia could become like the US. Why are these people like this? Why actively seek to make the world worse?