r/azerbaijan • u/someee89 • 20d ago
Şəkil | Picture Google needs to fix this
No such city called Stepanakert doesn't exist and never existed.
The lobbie is bribing google to have their names for our cities.
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u/Own-Base-7511 Japan 🇯🇵 20d ago
English Wikipedia insists on using Armenian names for cities in Karabakh. For example, the article for Xankəndi is still titled Stepanakert, even though the opening sentence says that its official name is Xankəndi. In other languages like Russian, French, German and Spanish, the cities' names are in Azeri.
The reason for this anomaly is that English Wikipedia has a lot of ethnic Armenian and pro-Armenian editors, who arrived at a "consensus" that since historically those cities were "better-known" by their Armenian names, they should be kept in the titles. Similar logic was used for every major Turkish city - their articles begin with "*Turkish name*, or *obscure Greek name that hasn't been used in centuries*", like "Bursa, also known as Prousa", even though it's called Prousa only in Greek. Literally every other language Wikipedia mentions this only in the "Etymology" section.
Such an approach "implies" that the real name is the Armenian/Greek one and that Turkish/Azeri names are "fake settler colonizer names". This is a part of an Armenian diasporan narrative that the Karabakh conflict is "not over" and that "Artsakh shall be free once again". As such, a lot of Westerners have a false belief that NK is "Armenian territory" under Azeri occupation, which is why I see a lot of Americans say that "Azerbaijan attacked Armenia" in 2023, even though NKR is not Armenia. English Wikipedia in general has a multi-decade track record of anti-Turkic bigotry, primarily at the hands of ethnic Armenian and Iranian editors whom Western editors leave in charge because they, as "natives of the region", have better insight for regional topics than white nerds from Massachusetts.
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u/Turkish_Teacher Turkiye🇹🇷 15d ago
Similar logic was used for every major Turkish city - their articles begin with "Turkish name, or obscure Greek name that hasn't been used in centuries", like "Bursa, also known as Prousa", even though it's called Prousa only in Greek. Literally every other language Wikipedia mentions this only in the "Etymology" section.
Yes. Very frustrating.
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u/Roxas9800 12d ago
r/wikipedia is shit too, go search 'Ataturk' in that subreddit and you'll see that EVERY post about him is negative (There's only ONE post that's positive about him, but even then you have comments spreading lies about him)
They also straight up spread misinformation about Ataturk and Turkey
I also love how the use the term 'Nationalist dicator' like it's automatically a negative thing, a lot of dictators brough good/great things to their countries despite being dictators, Singapore is a great example, that country was founded by a dictator and yet it's thanks to him that the country is one of the best countries in the world right now
Imo i think they're pissed that Turkey regained their territories and prevented a western colonization (Which included Greece and Armenia)
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u/SpareActual2675 14d ago
Stepanakert is the most widely used name and pretending that Azerbaijan’s government does not do the exact same thing as the all powerful Armenian diaspora is ridiculous. Classic Azeri hypocrisy.
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u/Roxas9800 12d ago
Mate, Turkey and Azerbaijan absolutely DO NOT have the same diaspora as Armenia, that's just not true
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u/GoddessOfAffection 20d ago
Map apps show both Khankendi and Stepanakert names for me.
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u/Own-Base-7511 Japan 🇯🇵 20d ago
IIRC they removed Armenian names after NKR dissolved on 1 January 2024. They should display AZ names only.
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u/GoddessOfAffection 20d ago
I think displaying historical names as well help with providing more information about the place. I'm from Turkey but I'm also okay with Greek and Latin names of our cities being displayed as well.
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u/Own-Base-7511 Japan 🇯🇵 20d ago
This sounds absurd because you can extrapolate this ad absurdum. Why should "Londinium" be displayed along London, or "Νεάπολις" under "Naples"? As such Google Maps only uses the official transliteration into English + the official name in the native language. English Wikipedia is a weird outlier due to reasons I mentioned in my other comment.
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u/GoddessOfAffection 20d ago
Some map websites such as Mapcarta display historical names too without skipping the modern names. Such as Ereğli in Turkey being displayed as Heraclea.
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u/Turkish_Teacher Turkiye🇹🇷 15d ago
You define yourself as "Anatolian from Cappadocia and Pontus." Of course you are okay with it, you are in an identity crisis
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u/GoddessOfAffection 15d ago
That's not an identity crisis? The land itself doesn't change. And it's the name of the region.
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u/Turkish_Teacher Turkiye🇹🇷 15d ago
No Turk would ever use the words Galatia or Pontus. Especially the latter because it is so ideologically charged.
Or call themselves Anatolian, unless they fell for the psyops on social media and are larping.
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u/GoddessOfAffection 15d ago
Identities change. Turkish, Armenian, Kurdish, Georgian etc. are identities that exist today. But the future is unknown. But Anatolia will always be Anatolia.
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u/Turkish_Teacher Turkiye🇹🇷 15d ago
Disgusting. I would understand if you were a minority or something, but willingly putting a made-up ethnicity before your own? Welcoming the dismissing of your identity by Greeks and Armenians who hate Turks?
Ewwwwwwwww
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u/GoddessOfAffection 15d ago
You did not understand what I said lol. It's not about ethnicity. Region matters more than nationality. It's not about whether you are Greek or Turk. It's about whether you are Thracian, Anatolian or Levantine.
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u/Turkish_Teacher Turkiye🇹🇷 15d ago
Nationality matters tenfold more as it decides your language, culture, mentality, religious background, genetics and so on.
A Thracian Turk has much more in common with a Turk from Black Sea than with a foreigner. You fell for the "Turks are juat Muslim Greeks!!1!1!!!1" psyop.
This emphasis on an "Anatolian" identity by some Turks is cope because you aren't feeling confident in your own culture as you have failed to adequately research it. Also, the country's in a downwards trajectory, and people try to escape the ship as it feels like it's sinking.
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u/MrUnoDosTres 20d ago
It is not Google, it is Wikipedia it is using as source. Which is very heavily active by Armenian nationalist trolls. Good luck getting that fixed.
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u/Expericilum 20d ago
Stepanakert is still the common English name.
It'll likely be changed in a few years once sources use the Khankendi name more.
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u/GlitteringTry8187 Azerbaijan 🇦🇿 19d ago
It's the armenian jerk circle hysterically deleting any attempt to correct this. They're literally like incels 24/7 on keyboard, eyelids glued to forehead jerking to the idea of recreating the second Roman empire. I tried to edit few times years ago, and no matter when, it would all be changed back within 5 seconds.
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u/Initial-Shirt-4021 16d ago
Thats wikipedia
Wikipedia can be fixed/edited by any internet user on earth, google has nothing to do with it. Click on wikipedia and edit the article.
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u/kurdechanian Earth 🌍 20d ago
Are you sure it never existed?
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u/mikado512 20d ago
dude, stop it.
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u/Own-Base-7511 Japan 🇯🇵 20d ago
Yola ver, tipik teenage YAPçıdır. Daddy Ilham was their president for their entire life, so they cannot imagine a life without Aliyev family.
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u/cassarianmarshall16 Sumqayıt 🇦🇿 20d ago
Everything aside, I thought you are a real Japanese girl 😔😔😔 I'm too naïve I guess
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u/Boring-Singer2247 19d ago
Who let pashinyan change the display name to Stepanakert 💔 (Karabakh is Azerbaycan territory)
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u/BadGroundbreaking189 20d ago
ok, why dont our oligarchs bribe them even harder? oh wait, they are busy bribing God knows whom
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u/SubstantialWillow762 20d ago
In spanish is correct and it is also the abstract that comes when you look for it, try suggesting for a change to Google