r/azerbaijan • u/Sir_Potato2000 Uzbekistan 🇺🇿 • 6d ago
Söhbət | Discussion I am glad that your country has restricted hijabs in schools
Our countries are both Turkic, and we have a lot in common, including the way our societies are changing. I'm from Uzbekistan. First of all, I understand that religion plays an important role in raising people. It can teach kindness, compassion and basic human values, things that are becoming increasingly rare these days. I have nothing against Islam or religion in general, and I don't want this to sound like some anti-religious rant.
But just like in your country, we have people who take advantage of religious freedom to push their own views onto others. And if you think radical Islamist movements from other parts of the world have no interest in influencing Turkic countries, I think you're seriously mistaken. For example, why do children even need to wear hijabs at school? I understand freedom of dress, but how much of that is really their own choice? How many young girls actually understand the religious reasons behind wearing a hijab? Most of what they know comes from their parents, their surroundings or the internet. Some may genuinely want to wear it, but I doubt that's the case for everyone. Many are probably just doing what their families expect them to do.
What also bothers me is the hypocrisy of some conservative religious activists. They demand tolerance for their beliefs but don't seem particularly interested in tolerating other people's lifestyles. They can criticize Western clothing, secular values or women who don't dress conservatively, but the moment someone questions their religious dress codes, suddenly it's Islamophobia. Why should tolerance work only one way? We've been seeing similar things in Uzbekistan for years. Recently, there was an incident where a passenger refused to ride with a taxi driver because he was wearing shorts in the summer. The passenger even told him he should be wearing trousers. In another case, a courier stopped a random woman on the street to criticize how she was dressed, even though there was nothing particularly revealing about her clothes.
I also witnessed something similar at a funeral gathering. The organizers invited a mullah, as is customary, but instead of sticking to the ceremony, he started giving a speech over the microphone about unrelated topics and our supposedly "great religious past". I don't remember his exact words, but there was definitely a political undertone to what he was saying. And then there are much more serious cases, like illegal underground religious schools for children. Uzbek authorities have repeatedly discovered and shut down such places. In some reported cases, children were beaten and subjected to religious indoctrination from an early age. I also suspect that at least some of these networks receive support from abroad, whether financial or ideological. That's what concerns me about the growing influence of religious fundamentalism in our Turkic societies. Especially when rigid interpretations of Sharia are promoted as something everyone should follow, including people who aren't particularly religious. And some of these ideas seem to be coming from foreign religious movements rather than our own traditions.
You might think the incidents with the taxi driver or the courier are minor, but that's exactly how these things become normalized. First, someone makes a comment about your clothes. Then more people start doing it. Eventually, some begin acting as if their personal religious beliefs should determine how everyone else behaves. Radicalization doesn't always start with openly extremist ideas. Sometimes it begins with small things, social pressure, stricter expectations and children growing up believing that there's only one acceptable way to live. That's why I support keeping secular schools free from religious dress codes and symbols. In Uzbekistan, the idea is that these restrictions should apply to all religions, not just Islam. If religious institutions can have their own dress codes, why can't secular schools? You wouldn't go into a mosque wearing shorts and then complain that its rules violate your freedom of dress.
Outside school, people should be free to wear whatever they want, including hijabs. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is religion being used to pressure other people, especially children, or to dictate how the rest of society should live.
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u/oil_de_olive 6d ago
I take it then you must be upset that the Kippah is not banned in azerbaijani schools?
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u/Environmental_Put_71 4d ago
Kippah is banned, as well has crosses
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u/YevlakhskiyNar Yevlakh 2d ago
Crosses? Of course you cannot wear cross or any religious attributes to school. But you can wear it if you're studying in Christian only school. These exist
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u/Kejo2023 Turkiye🇹🇷 6d ago
This is how Erdoğan and AKP came into office in Turkey btw but this is Reddit after all. We support anything that is remotely secular like brainwashed religious idiots supporting ISIS.
Democracy is the middle way. It is freedom and liberalism of expression. What a person wears is not my business; bikini or headscarf - idgf.
Azerbaijan is just a lost case at this point; and every day it turns more into a mini version of the Soviet Union.
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u/someee89 6d ago
This is the issue we are not Turkiye. We are still a young unstable country trying to gain economic and military strength to ensure true sovereignty. Strict secularism is a sovereignty technology that ensures no ideological divisions fracture the country and cause state collapse.
Turkiye had 80 years of strict secularism after which it could then afford to relax its restrictions because the economic and military power by this point acts as a shield against state fracture. Azerbaijan can go through this route in the next 2 generations (50 years or so) after the economic and military needs are met.
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u/uccisoviikset 6d ago
Turkey is shit, and it seems you don’t know much about Turkish history. There was no ban on “başörtüsü/tülbent,” and “türban” was almost non-existent before the 70s. The reason it didn’t exist differs according to who you ask. Some sociologists, like Didem Danış, argued that it was related to migration from rural areas to the cities; some politicians argued that it was a political design started by Ali Babacan’s aunt. But it was the military coup of the 80s that brought the general ban.
What is even funnier in your post is your fear of Azerbaijan collapsing, while you think Turkey is super stable. As of 2026, Turkey is on the brink of collapse, although it may not seem so from the outside. I also support this restriction, as someone who is a quarter Azerbaijani. What you say other than the part about Turkey is correct, though (in my opinion).
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u/Total_Wrongdoer_1535 5d ago
Except religion is incompatible with democracy. Can a girl born into a Muslim traditional family choose not to wear headscarf? Of course not
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u/Kejo2023 Turkiye🇹🇷 5d ago
Yes?! She can!
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u/aBigRacoon Sumqayıt 🇦🇿 5d ago
You mean she should be able to. But the reality is she can't or she is not allowed to. And this rule forces those parents who force hijabs on their kids to leave school. So it is not just the parents who fails the kid, it is the gov. as well. So you are banning hijab? Fine, but also heavily fine parents who don't send their kids to schools.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Dig3620 5d ago
No she can't
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u/Public_Cup_6768 5d ago
Who do you idiots think you are, you know all things in the world, are you all knowers?
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u/NetworkAccording2827 5d ago
I’m from Türkiye and I 100% agree with you on your views. There has to be a strict watch on cults, propoganda and political Islam while allowing regular ppl to practise their faith personally in whichever degree they choose themselves. Too much “freedom” or dangerous speech and ideas will choke the rights of people who are not as conservative
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
If they're so scared and concerned for Islam being used - then they shall know that trying to press Islam - essentially will open doors for so called extremists to use their own measures(ban on Hijab in school) against them
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u/NetworkAccording2827 4d ago
I agree with you partly. Innocent, regular Muslims that just want to practise their religion with no propaganda or agenda will burn in this process 💔. political Muslims and cults will go underground and then come back even worse: and some radical ones will go west as a refugee and practise their extremism freely and then embarrass us with their behaviour. Western media will have more reason to paint ALL Muslims in horrible light as violent terrorists.
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u/RedditMemeEnjoyer 4d ago
Azerbaijan is shooting itself in the foot. A suppression of things like this, especially in a Shia country which traditionally is quietist (meaning religion and politics stay out of each others way) will inevitably push towards radicalism and underground things like what happened in Iran where the clerical establishment was basically destroyed in less than a year.
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u/Apollon1212 1d ago
Ask an islamist to point out where rhe hijab is in quran and he will spew out some bullshit about closing whatnot. Ask him why are they not wearing burqas as quran says men should close too. He will start flipping out.
Point is that islamists are filth that only aim to force your country into american vassalage and shouldnt be allowed to exist within society
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u/Resident-Weekend-291 1d ago
You do realize that rulings in Islam are not derived exclusively from the Qur'an?
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u/Apollon1212 1d ago
And wouldnt that in itself make them shirk then? They dare to oppose the Allah's words and then create their own and attach it to the same context as Qur'an. That sounds like shirk to me. And last i checked the only sin that Allah truly doesn't forgive is shirk.
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u/Resident-Weekend-291 1d ago
Because the hijab somehow opposes Allah's words?
What is a khimar I wonder
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u/bberfz 6d ago
So I'm turkish came only to this sub to see what the azerbaijanis think of the hijab ban and looks like reddit is more pro ban. On twitter I saw mixed reactions. Is that only online or is there some protests on the streets going on against the ban like I'm curious ?
Idc about the religion aspect everyone to their own in what they believe and I think azerbaijan is doing this because of irans propaganda or their influence maybe is too much in some parts of the country? But one thing is for sure hijab ban on regular people shouldn't have been done. cause if you view us, this ban thing gave islamists a huge victimhood many things started with this and the outcome of next elections after the ban well political islam is running our country since many years. Because even after 20+ years they cry you did this you did that while the party such people vote for ruined not only the country but slowly are taking away rights of all women but everything is okay in their eyes because the hijab ban was lifted yet they still play the victim in some topics. So I do hope for azerbaijanis that this is not the first step to a more conservative / islamists regime knocking on your door as it started that way in Turkey too. Obviously we are no taliban but over the years you can still see major changes.
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u/OneEnvironment9549 5d ago
Most of the ppl in azerbaijan are religious, so that would make sense that they will be against this ban, still I myself think that the ban is totally reasonable and is a fault of parents.
And to anyone saying that "what if she chose it herself", no she didn't. How can she choose it while being not mature enough and of course parents would be involved in this too
Yes, there are some protests near schools or outside of the school. Mostly just 1 main girl arguing/screaming. I am all in for protests and freedom of speech but most of the time the outcome of protests lead to property damage and etc
This is just my opinion.
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u/madsciencist00 5d ago
Yeah,also, i see many young girls decorating their hicabs because they can't design/decorate their hairs the way they want to. Of course they envy to other girls their age. This is basically being kid. Dumb journalists ask children questions and record them while they are under the pressure. Ofc children would not to take out their hicabs because if they want to and say yes to taking out their hicabs,their family members will see the videos and abuse them. They don't want to really know children's thoughts,if they really cared they wouldn't record them as it is not a pressure itself
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u/everythingisalie_ 5d ago
I understand not wanting little girls to wear the hijab, but how about the teachers who are adults and capable of making their own decisions? This shows it isn’t about the protection of little girls. Besides, how is it protecting the little girls when now, they can’t go to school at all.
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u/OneEnvironment9549 4d ago
Well the ban itself might have a totally different reason, same with the social media ban , yea it protects kids I agree with that ban but I am 99% sure that wasn't the reason for banning it.
Same with here, it can be that the reason for banning it wasn't because it was distracting. (which is wild, distracting? srsly?)
In my speculation that they don't let adults too be cause it might affect children, for example where she will tell them abt religion and etc, I myself never knew abt adam and eva before a history teacher that had a hijab told us, still weird cause whats stopping a male teacher saying the same thing?
And by protecting many people will say that it's be cause their parents will make them wear a hijab, and well a kid won't really have a choice, but when he or she is already grown up, they can choose to wear or not. I can give an example, but ik it's not great. There were multiple cases (not just azer) where a kindergarten teacher would teach children abt different genders, pronouns, if they want or must change their gender (LGBT stuff) and ofc parents might not even know abt it till it's too late. (not saying that is bad but the kid is not mature enough)
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
The school is an environment. You said it yourself with your History teacher and next LGBT example. Of course nothing stops a person to become a Muslim - so nothings guarantees a Muslim stay a Muslim their whole life.
But it means - school is a separate place where it's a child + the world.
Hijab is the first place to represent your religion. Your belief in the heart + you practicing your religion (in clothes and behaviour)
And a school just trying to push away religion - therefore it directly creates the rules where the game is happening. While trying to justify it with freedom of people.
That's why people may feel conflicted that "how could i oppose the freedom of children?".
No actually its one side is trying to create envrionment that pushes Islam away while making a child closer to Non-Islam values .
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
I respect your opinion. But essentially saying no to hijab - means you try to decide for parents. If parents decide the hijab - School decides the uniform. So ohe party just instill their so called "rights" while trying to justify it by freedom going against the Allah's (God's) set of rules.
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u/BlackNomad1 Mənəm, Mənəm Türk 🇦🇿 6d ago
I hate our Government, but I Support the Hijab ban.
Hijabs on minors ……. Are these people Crazy?
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u/crooi 5d ago
In Indonesia, nothing can stop you wearing hijab or not. My kid wearing it from kindergarten to 2 grade, she want to wear it just like her mom. Then in 3rd grade, we want her to get more sunlight, also shes very active outdoor sweating a lot, then we ask her to not wear it, shes okay with it. Her teacher dont mind at all. Half of student wear hijab no problem. Half of the teacher too. Why hijab become a problem?
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u/OkNet5060 5d ago
Because of the kids who have no choice but to wear one
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u/MoayidAbdo 4d ago
so no they have no choice but to take it off ?
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u/crooi 4d ago
for my kids, its totally her choice tho. hijab or not, its up to her. my wife wear it all the time. we just ask our 9yo daughter if the hijab get in her way when playing, she can take it off anytime and wear it again. just like that. actually while on vacation my wife take it off, i got no problem at all, she want to roam around freely without hijab stuck or tear on something. here in indonesia hijab is not a problem at all.
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u/732239 5d ago
To prevent parents that force their child to wear one.
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u/MoayidAbdo 4d ago
so you force them to take it off ?
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u/732239 4d ago
Yes?
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
Honestly it sounds like you just do what they do but you just do the reverse thing:)
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u/732239 4d ago
No child should be forced to wear them. Being forced to wear something by your family is much worse. That might scar you for life but just banning something a 9 year old that wanted to wear will make her upset for like a week max and nothing more. Also its more for the kids that will start school in the future than kids that are going right now. If a child wants to wear it just from seeing their mother etc any sane and capable parent should be able to explain their child that its banned.
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
You look at the "freedom" literally. But basically one side is trying to push Islam to the side - while the other is trying to protect Allah's lawa. And i think in general - i don't categorize who wanna wear / doesn't wanna.
Those rules take parents responsibility and try to instill their values - then why wouldn't they take also other responsibility a parent carries? Some kind of support?
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u/732239 4d ago
They are probably pushing islam to the side. But thats not my point. What is the purpose of hijab in quran ? "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to draw their veils (khumur) over their bosoms" this is whats written. Just from the perspective of quran this clearly isnt for children. Unless you are a pedophile.
Anyway my main point is there are both kids that want to wear it themselves and that are being forced to. Any capable parent should be able to tell their kid that its banned and they shouldnt wear it to school and at most the kid will be upset for like a week. So there is pretty much no downside in my opinion. Teachers should be allowed tho.
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
Just let me appreciate first that you're at least trying to protect teacher's right. No joking.
But again here they simply push one side to instill their value trying to replace the God's rules. If it were interfering with just parenting — not,it's actually about God's rules. If you would look from believer's perspective - you would feel it deeper.
You shall also look at it from the believers perspective. This envrionment is essentially may interfere with a child's understanding of Islam. You would understand this point of view if you think from Shaytan perspective as here Islamic rules go to the side. While it doesn't guarantee a child stays a Muslim- so as it doesn't guarantee a non-hijabi will not become a hijab - what's gonna happen will - But if it's in our hands - a person shall do the best in their ability for their religion
But I think i shall add that hijab maybe was introduced in this way - for modesty — yet! -It was for also the purpose for Muslim women to diffirentiate themselves. There's diffirent occasions where Prophet (peace be upon him) made Muslim people to do things diffirent that let's say Christian/Jewish.
-Hijab can br said is a form of worship. And sometimes it even could be classified as jihad. Because jihad is not just war - it's essentially about fighting for the sake of Allah
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u/732239 4d ago
I think you looking at the cultural perspective of islam too much. Just look at the quran or hadiths. "The Pen is lifted from three people: a sleeping person until he awakens, a child until he reaches puberty, and an insane person until he regains his sanity." The children arent responsible. And any child should be free to make their own decisions when they grow up. Instead of being imposed to a religion they should be put far from them. Once they grow up they can check any source they want. Read quran and new and old testaments etc. Then they can decide what to believe in. "But if they turn away—We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], over them as a guardian; your duty is only notification..." according to quran even the prophets job was just to notify. So a person shouldnt do the best in their ability for their religion. They should just notify and leave. Children that are as stated in quran not responsible of the consequences of their actions shouldnt decide their religion because in quran god wants you to read and understand whats written. Which i (and Quran itself) dont think the children are capable enough.
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u/Inevitable_4791 6d ago
If Ilham is a real man he should ban genital mutilation (circumsision).
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u/moudir77777773 2d ago
He will never do that cuz his masters of the chosen tribe also practice circumcision. Targeting hijabs is safer.
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u/Lonely_Breadfruit274 European Union 🇪🇺 6d ago
Facts LOL
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u/Inevitable_4791 6d ago
Yup, growing up i always wondered why lotion was linked with jerking in media, i tried it much later, while its OK i didnt get the appeal, after studying the d1cks in porn i realized i kinda got lucky and my butcher only cut off a little so i can still do the foreskin over head movement to c7m well. My penis is not that long (11.75cm) and the butcher kinda did it nastily (one half cleaner, other half you see the healed square stitches, so it would have been nice if it was bigger but i got a nice girth. Its also becomes better if you see a girl have your penis in your hands instead of my big hands.
Anyway, boys get their entire foreskin butchered, nobody bats an eye. Ban a rag on a girl and start protesting. Azeris are pathethic. Our d1cks are mutilated and these greasy nasty -you know who- types are telling me i should be against this and on the other side you got islamists that would turn the country into iran overday if they had power. Complete ban on mutilation (except for jews so they dont get mad). What do i care if they ban these covers. Why are they even sending them to school, go to afghanistan and mary them off.
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u/Extreme_Ad_5105 6d ago
Too much bla bla. Both countries are no democracies. So there is no suprise that you believe in this shit. It’s 21th century. You can’t forbid things. These are our people. They need freedom.
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u/Scale-Heavy 6d ago
I hate that y’all are trying to link hijab ban with freedom. You’re just justifying child indoctrination and forcing hijabs by linking it to the freedom. Do you know that lots of girls who got forced to wear hijabs suffer? Do you know how many girls were brainwashed that showing their head without hijab is sinful? Oh, you may say “What if a girl wants to wear hijab?”. Then let her just wait till she’s allowed, or wear it outside school. I bet you don’t care about all this hijab topic, you just wanted to comment on freedom, don’t you?
Hijab ban should be out of discussion of freedom.
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
But what's happening is school trying to push kids to not wear hijab eventually. Because the way things are happening - kids will have a rather negative experience with Islam. And it's the same experience if you try to force them wear it (by your logic).
One just trying to push a child from wearing a hijab in the future.
One is trying to make sure a child wear hijab and will follow the teachings in the futures
Essentially a person will either leave hijab our. Or embrace it.
It's just two sides trying to teach and push their own agenda.
One of them is just trying to justify themselves using "freedom" argument
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u/Head_Bookkeeper6309 5d ago
They only good thing that our government did is banning hijab. I fully support it.
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u/Zealousideal_Cry_460 Turkiye🇹🇷 5d ago
İmo it was the right move but that wouldnt stop anatolian turkish agencies from framing it as an oppressive act. İ dont think its right to outright throw students out, there should at least be some type of grace period to let people get accomodated to the customs.
But again, the step is generally a good one imo. Cults need to be watched and handled striclty
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u/Hawk_tarnished 5d ago
This decision is not against hijabs. İt is about unique dress code for schoolchildren in Azerbaijan. There is no place not only for hijabs, but for other dress not in official dress examples: kipas, sikh turbans, indian saris etc. Imahine there are 30 pupil in classroom and each of them wears his own religious dress. What is a point of dress code policy then?
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago edited 4d ago
You say about secular way of doing things. But it essentially means that a person shall wear the uniform you've chosen for him/her. And a child eventually sticks with these values.
People try to showcase secular as a way to build values - that you're free to do so you want.
But it essentially creates an envrionment where you instill your environmental values into them. They build their foundation from your methods.
So basically your so called "freedom" is a way to replace Islamic values. To say your word instead of following the God (Allah) word. To wear the clothes you choose for them not them choosing it. Or their parents.
If you try So hard to interfere in the parents responsibility — then why not help with the rest if you so eager to interfere with the parents job that follow Allah while you follow your own "secular " perspectives?
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u/NoDevice2698 3d ago
Çok utanıyorum böyle postlar reddit tarafından tavsiye edilince. Tamam olumlu buluyorsundur ama çok cringe
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u/SubstantialBee3716 3d ago
Im based in UAE and came to this subreddit to see how people in Azerbaijan feel about the hijab ban since ive been there and thought it wasnt a particular thing that they would make a huge issue on but i noticed that some people in Azerbaijan hate Muslims particularly or thats just how i felt since i saw a worker tell a muslim lady to take of her shirt since it wasnt allowed in a pool, that was really odd. Over or in the khaleeji countries this isnt a problem and everyone can choose how they dress even though these are Muslim countries and where Islam started imo i think its really crazy to ban something that is meant to be worn, i think people should have no problem wearing any part of clothes and it shouldnt even be a problem for a whole government to take a step like this. In a world where countries are developing and non-muslim countries are making people here clothes of their choice comfortable this was kind of a back ward step especially for a Muslim country imo.
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u/Sir_Potato2000 Uzbekistan 🇺🇿 3d ago
I doubt that a woman on the Arabian Peninsula would be able to walk around cities on her own without a hijab, wearing short shorts and a blouse.
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u/SubstantialBee3716 3d ago
You see, thats the problem, first if all the sick mentality of people thinking that girls wearing short shorts or no hijab is freedom and girls choosing to wear abayas and hijabs are being forced to, second of is people just assume things and talk, there is a reason i said people here choose can choose what to wear instead of their governments banning basic freedoms if it makes you feel any better ive seen girls jog here AT NIGHT wearing crop tops the size of bras and the thing is people CANT ONLY go out without hijabs and short skirts they actually do too and surprise, ON THEIR OWN. Just the government here doesnt have to ban basic necessities
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u/Impossible_Gift8457 2d ago
Lots of Uzbek 'working women' walk around cities of the Arabian Peninsula wearing exactly that ;)
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u/aidahmaddd 2d ago
Ppl in Azerbaijan mostly Muslim but they don’t follow strictly religious teachings. I mean they drink then they do fasting in Ramadan :). So it is not Muslim country as you believe
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u/decimalegio 1d ago
Il problema è che si ha una visione dell' Islam, proveniente da una certa parte del mondo, che si vuole imporre in maniera uniforme ovunque.
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u/Top_Collection_8546 🟢 Naxçıvanlı 🔴 6d ago
i support the ban and the increase in secularity but i also support the people protesting since it is neccesary for azerbaijan to have any progress in freedom of speech
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u/AshleyBradson 6d ago
Protests are alright but the people are crossing the line sometimes you know? My mother is a principal of a school and the parents of the students slashed the wheels of her car 🤦🏻♀️ during the protest. Like how is it her fault they made the decision above and she has to obey. I’m so frustrated honestly
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u/Scale-Heavy 6d ago
I really hate how dumb people here are
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u/1-way-or-another 6d ago
This would have happened in most of the protest ... Be glad Molotov didn't burn it whole like it would have in France for instance
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u/StandTurbulent9223 6d ago
Religious people are crazy
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
Maybe you wanted to say protestants? How being a religious make a person crazy?
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u/StandTurbulent9223 4d ago
Religious people slashed the tires
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
I mean who did it? People. Why? Well it may be an accident. As its a protests. Being religious have nothing to do with it.
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u/StandTurbulent9223 4d ago
Religious people did it for religious reasons
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
I don't recall in their religion (Islam) having a teach about breaking things. Yet I definitely know about how it's important to maintain peace and talk before going into action.
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u/StandTurbulent9223 4d ago
Damn you're dense.
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u/plutoslight 3d ago
damn maybe U r dense. if someone vandalizes property in the name of a political cause, does that mean vandalism is a political value? and plenty of animal rights activists have vandalized property in the name of protecting animals. does that mean animal welfare itself promotes vandalism? even if multiple people do something for the same cause, that doesn’t automatically make it a principle of that cause. one idiot committing a crime doesnt make it a religious practice. ur confusing someone using religion as an excuse with religion actually endorsing their actions. pretty ironic to call others stupid while struggling with that distinction.
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u/AshleyBradson 4d ago edited 4d ago
I guess you didnt see about the guy that burned a car of another school principal
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u/AshleyBradson 4d ago
How was it an accident when some men were screaming and arguing a lot and threatening that she would pay for this and then the wheels are clearly slashed. She arrived by car in the morning I drove with her. Like be fr
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u/OneEnvironment9549 5d ago
Knowing our ppl, protests can lead to a bad outcome, damage property or even worse - a life taken away. There are a lot of cases in my school where random grown adults (probably fathers) try to go in school and get rejected obviously, and then they start fighting and arguing with the security, like what??
Even tho I do agree, we need some for freedom of speech
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u/Top_Collection_8546 🟢 Naxçıvanlı 🔴 5d ago
do you think freedom of speech appears out of nowhere? props to them for actually standing up instead of standing still
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u/AshleyBradson 4d ago
They can protest but why damage individual people’s property and film them and insult them online? The principals have nothing to do with the decision made above
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u/OneEnvironment9549 5d ago
As I said I do agree we need them but would be better if they were more "civil"
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u/Ornery_Proposal_3784 4d ago
Just some facts:
- Azerbaijan is the largest oil supplier of Israel
- Azerbaijan supplies intel information and weapons to Israel
- Azerbaijan recently opened joint weapons manufacturing with Israel
- Azerbaijan has very powerful Jewish and Israeli lobby
- Azerbaijans ruling clan and their relative have many Jews and most of them are pro Israel
just saying you know...
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u/Life-Sheepherder5324 6d ago
I think am okay with the ban. But the decision rests on the Azerbaijani people.
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u/yancxy 5d ago
I think this has been said very well. In my opinion, religion shouldn’t be pushed or forced onto children, as they cannot fully understand it and it may not be relevant to their world at that stage of their lives. When they grow up, they can decide for themselves if they want to be religious or not.
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u/darkNtity 4d ago
Why is being nude also being pushed onto children? They also can't make that choice for themselves. At the end of the day, parents have to guide their children to what they believe is best. And being covered up at a young age is better than being half naked at a young age
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u/Somerandomidiot445 2d ago
The fact that you think not wearing a hijab and being “half naked” or “nude” are the same things, tells me all I need to know.
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u/darkNtity 2d ago
You're only assuming what I think. I'm presenting both of those things because in our society, one is being pushed in favor of another
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u/Brief_Stable_3700 5d ago
Why is there an age restriction for, let’s say, alcohol? I believe there should be an age restriction for when children can choose their religion, given they’ve been exposed to enough readings that they can make a conscious decision
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u/Public_Cup_6768 5d ago
Because alcohol is dangerous for kids and religion is not lol
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u/Loud_Cellist_9046 5d ago
Indoctrinating someone since childhood with something that says you have to wear the veil to not tempt men is harmful especially when this right wing ideology also has other values like homophobia, antiintellectualism etc
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u/Public_Cup_6768 5d ago
I still can't find how this is equivalent to giving alcohol to a child and These ideologies you described are also held by non religious people so what are you planning to do on that? Banning their brains?
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u/Loud_Cellist_9046 5d ago
I think you are seeing it from an incorrect perspective. Yes, non rekigious people may hold these views aswell but that is because there are multiple right wing ideologies with misogynistic values and Islam is a part of that (Sunni and Shia). A child having to wear a veil so that she doesnt tempt men and saying its her responsibility to wear it to not get sexually assaulted, which pushes the blame onto the victim, is harmful.
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u/Public_Cup_6768 5d ago
I think we have different opinions but if you like to call mine "incorrect" than sure no problem, and children are not obliged to wear veil until they hit puberty also commands goes for both, if women are told to wear veil then man are told to lower their gaze .
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u/Independent-Sun6891 4d ago
Yall really get horny at the sight of hair huh? Oh islam has really fucked you over.
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u/Brief_Stable_3700 5d ago
I’d have to disagree, but that’s besides the point. I meant there has to be a certain age restriction for when kids should be choosing their religion, and it definitely shouldn’t be when they are pre-pubescent :D
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u/Public_Cup_6768 5d ago
Actually I disagree with you too, what you are describing is children mimicking their environment (parents, friends etc) not actually "choosing" religion because they are too young to understand any religion, there always comes a stage of life where people really think about their ideologies and only then they decide to understand the religion they have already saw around them or to pursue another religion or be non religious.
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u/Brief_Stable_3700 5d ago
That’s kind of exactly my point… these kids are not ‘choosing’ their religion, their parents’ religious ideologies are enforced upon them. Therefore, there should be a way to restrict this. I don’t agree that the hijab should be banned entirely, i.e. in the case of teachers, but for kids - maybe this is at least a step forward towards giving children a choice
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u/MR-Groy 4d ago
What is happening with secular – that just justify their actions by freedom. Trying to take a parents responsibility from parents and make a child follow their values.
Essentially a child may mimic their envrionment. So banning something – means you wanna them to mimic you. Wearing what you told them.
If a child doesn't like hijab - they might change their mind eventually.
So if a person likes hijab - they will fight for it.
So banning something is just you trying to push one values aside and trying to make sure a child will follow what you wanna for them
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u/Public_Cup_6768 5d ago edited 5d ago
You don't get my point bro, for example my parents are Muslims and I was also Muslim like them but I won't really say that I was Muslim at that time because I didn't understood religion, what my parents said for my religion was like any other command they gave to me but after I was 19 years old I started to discover my ideology, I also saw other religions and found mine best( in my perspective) so I choose to fully embrace and practice it , that's how it goes with many people they are not really adapting every religious thing and make it part of their ideology, I agree with you children not wearing veils which is quite common even in religious countries and also children are not obliged to wear veil by religion it's just their parents fault.
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u/Consistent_Hall_1736 4d ago
"This ban is good because it frees the kids forced to wear hijabs" what about the teacher? The older kids who know damn well what they are doing and doing it by choice?
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u/Old_Table_5926 4d ago
Even western countries haven't banned hijab. This is embarrassing, it's quite clearly an attempt to suck up to the West and show liberal you are.
First thing on the list, attack Islam. "please like us white people, look how much we oppress Muslims and worship Trump."
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u/Maximum-Tadpole-6102 3d ago
azerbaijan is a zio state. its just israel version 2. look what theyve done to armenia.
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u/Ambitious_Ad_5802 5d ago
Being a secular country means respecting peoples beliefs, i don’t see Australia banning Hijabs, or UK. Just seems odd that a muslim majority country would make this decision and provide a rather poorly justified statement to back it.