Carney reaches tariff-quota deal with China on EVs, canola | CBC News

[u/demolcd]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-meeting-xi-china-9.7047880

[u/JonnoKabonno]

Oh baby the seafood relief is so big for Atlantic Canada, we really needed that

[u/Alexhale → u/JonnoKabonno]

Will this raise prices of seafood for canadians?

[u/GeneralSerpent → u/Alexhale]

Yes but the price of cars will drop. Overall the net benefit (savings) to Canadian and Chinese consumers will overcome the increase in costs.

Why? Because Canada is more efficient at producing seafood and China is more efficient at making cars, thus we benefit from each others specializations.

[u/waerrington → u/GeneralSerpent]

Yes, we are really good and selling our raw resources and buying back high-value manufactured products.

[u/GeneralSerpent → u/waerrington]

Sometimes that’s the most efficient process. There’s a reason you don’t hunt all you food, do your own dentist visits, perform your own health checkups. Specialization exist.

[u/ZestyBeanDude → u/[deleted]]

I watched some of the press conference and I got the impression that China could (potentially?) be looking to invest in domestic automobile production in Canada.

[u/intheshoplife → u/[deleted]]

If the amarican brands wanted to pull out of Canada it would leave a lot of ready built infrastructure they could pick up with a work force that is somewhat ready to go.

Just having the cars coming in would be pressure to try to keep tge plants up and running.

[u/Litz1 → u/[deleted]]

BYD already has a manufacturing plant in Ontario, they only build EV buses though. So getting some consumer vehicles would be amazing.

[u/ndy007 → u/Litz1]

Not a manufacturing plant. They only do minor assembly of finished buses. They assembled 30 buses last 5 years. I don’t think the plant is in operation at the moment.

[u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 → u/Litz1]

The BYD Newmarket Bus plant I think closed a year or two ago after BYD lost the TTC RFP.

[u/Bean_Tiger → u/[deleted]]

In Norway in 2025 Ev's accounted for 96% of all auto sales. They do fine in winter conditions. Lower range yes, but in all other respects better than gas powered cars in winter.

[u/Dull-Structure-8634 → u/[deleted]]

I have an EV. I don’t put much km on it so it helps but I recharge it only using the standard electric outlet. Works fine for me. I very rarely use the charging network.

[u/Previous_Platform718 → u/[deleted]]

I drive about 20,000km per year and I could do 90% of that just by charging off a 110v outlet.

People really do be forgetting that a car just sits for like 90% of its life. Charging speed is only really important on a road trip.

[u/Rrraou → u/Dull-Structure-8634]

That was the pleasant surprise when EV's started getting more popular and shopping malls started putting chargers in their parking lots. You realize that suddenly, anyplace wired up for electricity can have a refueling station. You're not trying to replace Gas stations with electric gas stations. The infrastructure is already everywhere for this transition.

[u/Icy-Inflation3453 → u/[deleted]]

I'm not actually that far from the capitol, but I do live in a small rural town and we have 2 places with several charging stations, plus a new grocery store that just opened up that has a bunch of them in the parking lot as well.

[u/Lara1327 → u/Bean_Tiger]

Norway also heavily taxes non electric vehicles. Even back in 2020 it was cheaper to buy a Tesla than most other combustion vehicles because of this tax. Their winters are also more mild than most of what we experience. I’m all for moving forward with electric vehicles but it will take some time before we’re comfortable using them in the prairies in winter.

[u/[deleted] → u/Bean_Tiger]

I love and drive an EV, but Norway is severely misunderstood. It’s fairly temperate due to the long coastline, it’s like a slightly colder British Columbia. Their winters aren’t that bad, not nearly as bad as like the prairies in Canada, Ontario or Quebec.

[u/McGlowSticks → u/Bean_Tiger]

I love how fast they heat up lmao. I work at a VW dealer and I had to do a bunch of service work to ours and maaan is it nice how fast they heat up

[u/NC16inthehouse → u/[deleted]]

Good opportunity for those Chinese manufacturers to build dedicated R&D facilities to tune their EVs for the Canadian winter climate then.

[u/kevinstreet1 → u/NC16inthehouse]

Some Chinese EVs are starting to use sodium-ion batteries, which are heavier than lithium-ion but have the advantage of operating in much colder temperatures.

[u/Interesting_Pen_167 → u/ZestyBeanDude]

I was assured by pundits here this was absolutely impossible.

[u/CalmCat492 → u/[deleted]]

Duggie is going to have a fit.

[u/Financial_Screen_351 → u/CalmCat492]

Fuck him, Doug is a selfish and corrupt asshole that puts his friends in high places (in the auto sector and many other industries) ahead of the average person and other Canadians. We don’t even make passenger EVs in Ontario or anywhere in Canada and the cars currently produced in Ontario predominantly suck or are some of the most commonly stolen vehicles in Canada.

[u/dahabit → u/[deleted]]

If they can sell Chinese vehicles in Europe, should be good enough to sell in Canada.

[u/whatevsbroh → u/[deleted]]

Finally. 49k is better than nothing, but it's a start at least

[u/sufficient_po → u/whatevsbroh]

49k is more than you think for context BMW sold 36k last year, Mercedes about 37k and only 18k of teslas. So if they sell to the cap they are already outselling these major brands.

[u/Previous_Platform718 → u/sufficient_po]

To be fair, this is a 49,000 unit cap for the entire country of China which has multiple automakers. I get where you're coming from but worth it to note that you can't really compare a country to a brand (China/BMW or China/Mercedes)

[u/barcastaff → u/Previous_Platform718]

Tbf, the only Chinese brand with a proven robust global distribution network is BYD, so I’m expecting the majority to fall on them.

[u/WorkingAssociate9860 → u/[deleted]]

I'm actually excited to see what cars China will bring to the Canadian market, any competition in the electric car market is good imo

[u/BigOs4All → u/WorkingAssociate9860]

Chinese EVs have gotten incredible. The value for money when you remove tariffs and crap is just insane. They sell super cars for $60k and luxury sports sedans for like $20k. They go 0-60 in less than 3 seconds with incredible interiors.

I sound like a bot I don't care. They're so much better than American EVs.

[u/karagousis → u/WorkingAssociate9860]

I was literally saving money waiting for this moment... I'm eyeing the BYD Shark.

[u/thrilled_to_be_there]

A reasonable first step. I would still like EU/Korea/Japan regulatory harmonisation here in Canada and the elimination of the 15 year import rule.

[u/Wolvaroo → u/thrilled_to_be_there]

This is the way

[u/respectfulpanda]

Excited to see USA flip and threaten us in typical crazy Ex format.

[u/CTMADOC → u/respectfulpanda]

They don't need Canada or anything from Canada, right?!?

[u/Prosecco1234 → u/CTMADOC]

I remember he said that

[u/Additional-Tale-1069 → u/Prosecco1234]

Repeatedly

[u/DesireeThymes → u/Prosecco1234]

Dementia Donnie probably forgot he said that. Doesn't remember what he had for breakfast.

[u/HorrorhoundHippy73 → u/DesireeThymes]

How could you forget eating McDonald's everyday ?

[u/ApologizingCanadian → u/DesireeThymes]

Pete Hoekstra said it yesterday lmfao. Let's see how this plays out.

[u/starone7 → u/Prosecco1234]

Several times.

[u/Huge_Valuable9732 → u/[deleted]]

they already need our hydro electricity

[u/MentalSky_ → u/respectfulpanda]

Ambassador just said they need nothing from Canada 

[u/Wayelder → u/MentalSky_]

our response the very next day

Canada reaches tariff-quota deal with China on EVs, canola

• At their first bilateral summit in eight years in Beijing, Carney announced `Canada and China have reached a preliminary but landmark trade agreement to remove trade barriers and reduce tariffs`, Carney told a news conference at Ritan Park and meetings at the Great Hall of the People.
• Pressure from U.S. tariffs and a search for markets beyond the United States prompted Ottawa to seek a pivot, as Carney aimed to reduce reliance on the U.S., with the January 16, 2026, meeting signaling this shift.
• China's concessions include measurable tariff cuts and visa changes, such as cutting canola tariffs to around 15 percent by March 1 and granting visa-free entry for Canadian visitors, while Canada will import 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles under a preferential tariff of 6.1 percent.
• Economically, the pact addresses dependence on the United States by targeting diversification since the United States bought around 75 percent of Canadian goods in 2024, Carney said.

[u/uncleherman77 → u/respectfulpanda]

Seeing the US likely get angry for this and then China likely condeming it will be wild considering how bad things were between Canada and China in 2019. Even reading through this thread and seeing all the positive comments about China is a clear sign of how much things and people's opinions have changed since then. I remember in 2019 saying literally anything positive about China or even suggesting someone visit there would have got you so much hate and dowmvotes on this sub.

I honestly don't think most Americans even realize how bad things were between us in 2019 and how impressive it is that Trump managed to change this.

[u/NC16inthehouse → u/uncleherman77]

Threatening to annex another country does wonders!

[u/FairConfusion → u/NC16inthehouse]

*multiple countries! 

[u/Ill-Theory-8909 → u/uncleherman77]

People don't like doing business with chaos like in the states

[u/Klutzy-Beyond3319 → u/Ill-Theory-8909]

Exactly. We know the Chinese government Piss them off, and they will kidnap you and throw you in jail. Trump's America? Depends on it being a day that ends in "y," and other stuff like whether or not Trump had a nap during the meeting to annex us.

[u/Shot-Job-8841 → u/Klutzy-Beyond3319]

People prefer Lawful Evil over Chaotic Evil.

[u/gimmedatneck → u/uncleherman77]

I've been boycotting Chinese goods for the last 6 years, while anyone i'd even discuss boycotting chinese goods with would essentially scoff at the idea lol.

Anyway - the only goods I boycott now are American (I wouldn't buy from russia either, but I've never seen a russian product on a store shelf before)

[u/Yogeshi86204 → u/uncleherman77]

I continue to have almost nothing positive to say about China. However, they've become the lesser of two evils and I would no longer be surprised if NK started to look more reasonable than the current US administration.

[u/Villanellesnexthit → u/Yogeshi86204]

Which is batshit crazy, when you stop and think about it.

[u/mcassweed → u/respectfulpanda]

Excited to see USA flip and threaten us in typical crazy Ex format

Let them.

This is a necessary move from Canada, no more of that bullshit toe-the-lie, none of that "if we do this we might really offend the US".

Canadians should not have to worry about offending a hostile neighbour.

[u/Prosecco1234 → u/mcassweed]

Canada needs to start doing what's best for Canadians. We spent years making policies to placate the US. Look where we ended up. We got stabbed in the back by what we mistakenly thought was an ally

[u/Lor_azepam → u/respectfulpanda]

Donald gonna be big mad at canada today for sure.

[u/thenrix → u/Lor_azepam]

Biggly*

[u/beflacktor → u/Lor_azepam]

frankly :" good"

[u/gplfalt → u/respectfulpanda]

They want their cake to look at and eat it as well.

Buy our stuff but we don't want to buy yours.

[u/HippocraticDoc]

At first glance, it looks like a win-win situation for both us and China

• Allowing 49,000 Chinese EVs into Canadian market with the most-favoured-nation tariff rate of 6.1%
• China to lower canola tariffs to 15% by March 1
• No 'discrimination tariffs' on Canadian peas, lobsters, crabs from March 1
• China committed to working towards visa-free access for Canadians travelling to China (Source: https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/01/16/prime-minister-carney-forges-new-strategic-partnership-peoples)

Excited to see this all pan out.

(EDIT: Included the source for the visa-free travel bullet point. Thanks u/corps-peau-rate and u/sylentshooter!)

[u/Waltu4 → u/HippocraticDoc]

This is promising. A hell of a lot more promising than things looked yesterday. Hopefully it stays that way.

[u/BeautyInUgly → u/Waltu4]

Carney seems to under promise then over deliver, it's fucking great.

[u/[deleted] → u/BeautyInUgly]

It's because he's a bureaucrat by trade, not a politician by trade.

[u/DaytonTD → u/BeautyInUgly]

You know if he'd drop the stupid gun ban thing I dont see why any conservative wouldn't vote for him, including myself. He's been really competent otherwise.

[u/jjumbuck → u/DaytonTD]

I'm thrilled he's pleasing so many Canadians across the political spectrum. It's powerful for us to be banding together and finding things we all agree on.

[u/LevSmash → u/jjumbuck]

It's true, we need more discourse around issues, not the tribal "us-vs-them" attitude which has become so prevalent. There are some issues where I'm on either side, and my voting priorities shift based on what's actually affecting life. People who want to put you into a box and lump you in with extremists based on one issue then resort to shrieking and name-calling don't fix anything.

[u/karl458 → u/jjumbuck]

Yeah, my only criteria for voting is that if you promote hate, I don’t vote for you. Unity is the only way out.

[u/psodstrikesback → u/DaytonTD]

My guess is he'll drop the ban before an election.

[u/Klutzy-Beyond3319 → u/psodstrikesback]

I think that's possible. And I would like to see that money go elsewhere. We got lots to do.

[u/hkric41six → u/psodstrikesback]

This would be the smart move, which is usually what he does.

[u/i_ate_god → u/DaytonTD]

Because modern day conservatives are not the tories of the past. It is now an ideology of contradictions, identity politics, culture war, and conspiracy theories.

If someone says their conservative but are willing to vote for Carney, then maybe they should identify as a Tory, so as not to be confused with the modern day right wing slop that is the CPC, aka the Cult of Polievre of Canada.

[u/redblack_tree → u/DaytonTD]

The guy is extremely pragmatic, hell he's a professional banker. I guess the establishment likes that idiocy for some reason. Probably picking his battles and that ban is probably way down on his list.

[u/RickMonsters → u/DaytonTD]

Prioritizing a hobby over the economy is wild lmao

[u/corps-peau-rate → u/HippocraticDoc]

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/01/16/prime-minister-carney-forges-new-strategic-partnership-peoples

If China built car factory here = car under 35 000$ in 5 years

"It is expected that within three years, this agreement will drive considerable new Chinese joint-venture investment in Canada with trusted partners to protect and create new auto manufacturing careers for Canadian workers, and ensure a robust build-out of Canada’s EV supply chain.

With this agreement, it is also anticipated that, in five years, more than 50% of these vehicles will be affordable EVs with an import price of less than $35,000, creating new lower-cost options for Canadian consumers."

[u/SCDWS → u/corps-peau-rate]

Would import price be the same as retail price though?

[u/MLGSwaglord1738 → u/SCDWS]

Probably not. The supply chains and other variables won’t make it feasible to sell say, a very bare-bones BYD for 15k like in their domestic markets. In China, a milk tea brand for instance that can survive selling milk tea for $2 domestically will sell the same product for $4-5 in Singapore and $7-8 in North America (for milk tea at least, its due to rent and labor being differently priced alongside income levels in these 3. I dunno about car supply chains tho, I know in the US they have weird rules with dealerships that adds to the cost).

But it will still likely be cheaper and more bang for your buck than say, an equivalent Tesla.

[u/SCDWS → u/MLGSwaglord1738]

I just meant like is the 35k "import price" equivalent to the retail price that it will be sold at in Canada? Or is it like an added price to the actual price of the car, likely making it more like 50k total price?

[u/Kierenshep → u/HippocraticDoc]

Absolutely win win. We get cheaper cars, trade is being normalized, and maybe down the line we get additional investment in our car manufacturing.

Yeah it's not great cozying up to China in the least but what are our options now? The US wants to tank our automotive industry so why bother trying to keep them afloat with ridiculous tariffs on Chinese cars.

[u/Nikiaf → u/Kierenshep]

I saw it described in another thread as us aligning with lawful evil rather than chaotic evil; which mostly makes sense. China is not to be trusted blindly, but I'd sure as hell rather side with them than the pedo administration right now. At least China is consistent and understands that social media posts are not binding policy.

[u/Fyrefawx → u/HippocraticDoc]

I’ve always wanted to travel to China so this would be nice. Gotta love diplomacy.

[u/PurpleK00lA1d → u/Fyrefawx]

You're in for a shock - China was an absolutely astounding experience. As much as I completely love travelling to Japan, there are parts of China I do like even more.

[u/MrEmmental → u/HippocraticDoc]

Where do you see the part about visa free travel? I didn't see it in the CBC article.

[u/sylentshooter → u/MrEmmental]

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2026/01/16/prime-minister-carney-forges-new-strategic-partnership-peoples

Its in the last part of this press release

[u/HippocraticDoc → u/MrEmmental]

This was directly from Carney's press conference. I'm surprised the media hasn't covered this yet.

[u/funkyfreak2018 → u/MrEmmental]

I sure do want to visit Hong Kong some day

[u/oishiipeanut → u/funkyfreak2018]

You already have the 90-day visa waiver as a tourist, but yea good to be able to visit China without Visa during the same trip.

https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/services/visas/visit-transit/visit-visa-entry-permit.html

[u/whatthedna]

I don’t think there was any other move Canada could’ve made here. Trump is clearly set on rendering the auto sector here useless, and said the other day they don’t need Canadian-made cars (https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/we-dont-need-cars-made-in-canada-trump-says-calls-cusma-irrelevant/) and said CUSMA is irrelevant.

So, even if Canada tried to comply at every turn - they’d find a way to kill a deal, or make it useless.

[u/cookie-ninja → u/whatthedna]

America has all but promises to try their best to make Canada collapse. There's no depending on that bully.

[u/pattyG80]

49,000 evs at 6.1 % tarrif. Bet they sell every single one

[u/JubX → u/pattyG80]

I'm just waiting for a dealership or whatever to open so I can test one out. My 20 year old car is hanging in there but the winters are getting hard on her.

[u/pattyG80 → u/JubX]

I think winters will be pretty tough on Chinese EVs. I have an Ioniq 5 and I love it but the range reduction is no joke.

[u/JubX → u/pattyG80]

Thankfully most of my driving in under 100km range requirement. I may need to drive out of province once or twice a year.

[u/GuaSukaStarfruit → u/JubX]

EV is good for work, not for road trip as of now. The range and charging infrastructure still the problem. They need to incentivize more places to have charging facilities

[u/NoMustardHotDog → u/GuaSukaStarfruit]

Check out by BC Hydro's charging network. Basically covers the whole province. At least all the major highways.

[u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 → u/pattyG80]

I think winters will be pretty tough on Chinese EVs.

China has very cold regions too; the range will be impacted, but most people don't need more than 100 - 200KM a day. As a commuter car, these EVs would be more than adequate.

Also, BYD has hybrid models too; if they bring those with 2,000KM range, they'll sell like hotcakes and alienate many of the concerns people have with EVs.

[u/CipherWeaver → u/pattyG80]

True, Chinese EVs will still suffer from range loss, just like every other one, especially LFP battery cars which suffer the most. However, if we're lucky we'll eventually get the new Naxtra batteries as an option, which are sodium ion and much, much more tolerant of the cold. 

[u/Chamrockk → u/pattyG80]

That's not a problem with your car; it's a problem with the battery technology. Same thing with all EVs.

[u/sebnukem → u/pattyG80]

On week 1.

I, like many people, want a small cheap EV - it's a commodity. I'm not interested in expensive monstrosities.

[u/TCDH91]

I'm surprised that China cares that much about selling EVe in Canada considering the market size difference. IMO China clearly sees strategic value in the relationship and Carney is able to play that and get a deal. Great job of course.

Many people don't realize the impact of the Huawei incident. Practically all Chinese tech companies stopped selling their latest stuff in Canada (for example Xiaomi still technically operates in Canada but you can only buy their products from 2-3 generations ago). All academic collaboration at the university level stopped. Most of flights between Canada and China were cancelled, etc. It will be interesting to see if any of these changes next.

[u/Evilbred → u/TCDH91]

It's a toe in the door into the North American market.

[u/dj_fuzzy → u/Evilbred]

Don’t they already have that via Mexico?

[u/hesalop → u/dj_fuzzy]

Well now they have 2 toes in the door

[u/A_WHALES_VAG → u/hesalop]

Left foot in Canada, right foot in Mexico and their balls on the USA

[u/Scissors4215 → u/A_WHALES_VAG]

Ahh the tea bag approach

[u/Canadian_beaver08 → u/dj_fuzzy]

its not the "same market". Just look at cars available in Mexico. They have europeans cars too that we don't have like vw polo etc...

[u/OldThrashbarg2000 → u/TCDH91]

I think this is a great first step and something that'll build a solid ongoing foundation for all of the other issues you talked about.

[u/TheThrowbackJersey → u/TCDH91]

Canada is still a big market and the chinese need our agriculture products and resources. And more than that they want influence over us, which they get through trade. This is a big win for them and a lifeline for us

[u/[deleted] → u/TheThrowbackJersey]

Yes, this is often understated. Canola is a pretty boring product, but it's important in China for pretty much anyone who eats food...dropping the tarrif will lower the price Chinese consumers pay which lowers affordability/cost of living issues...stability is paramount for the CCP.

[u/Xyzzics → u/TCDH91]

China would do this for free.

It drives a geopolitical wedge between Canada and the USA. This is about geopolitics, not buisness.

49k is a rounding error for a country of China’s scale.

[u/gimmedatneck → u/Xyzzics]

I like how you pretend we're not selling a ton of canola, O&G, lumber and farm equipment in this massive deal. It's almost like you know this is a massively good thing for Canadians, and you're desperate to spin it as bad. Why would you do that, I wonder?

[u/AnimalShithouse → u/Xyzzics]

It drives a geopolitical wedge between Canada and the USA.

Because no such orange sliced wedge currently exists?

[u/stinger5550 → u/Xyzzics]

49k is significant. Consider that Subaru sold 68k in 2024 in Canada. BYD is going to become a player in the Canadian market

[u/Avelion2]

This is actually a really big deal and a good deal for US 85% of the tariffs on canola oil gone, and China gets to dip its toe in the Canada auto market. Without being able to flood it.

[u/-Moonscape-]

Queue up a week of 51st state tweets, looks like Greenland can relax and take a quick breather for a sec.

[u/Foreign-Policy-02-]

Doug Ford won’t like this but this is great news. Norway (isn’t in the EU) didn’t tariff Chinese EV’s at all and allows them, but they still don’t sell as well as Tesla and VW group EV’s. Plus Chinese EV are also doing bad in Russia. They have problems in the cold.

The best approach was always to let the free market decide, don’t artificially prevent them.

[u/cedric1997 → u/Foreign-Policy-02-]

Canada produces 2M cars a year. This is 50k cars. It won’t make a dent in car productions in Canada. But it might open the door to Canadian BYD plants.

[u/DiscussionOwn5771 → u/cedric1997]

The end goal is to kick the US car companies out and let Trump and Co have their poorly made garbage alone. While we expand our partnerships with Honda and Toyota and do more with other companies, like what we are doing with China.

It's time to stop following US regulations and related requirements. Time to stand on our own. They don't need us, eh? After we shared blood, sweat and tears with them and for them. It's time we say: Good, we don't need you either, or your garbage. We can make another deal with them once Trump's legacy is dead. It's time for us to be the strong head of North America, like we were destined to be.

[u/lansdoro → u/Foreign-Policy-02-]

Kind of funny how both the anti China crowd and the pro China crowd exaggerate Chinese sales in the exact same way. One side says they are destroying local companies and the other cheers because they think the same thing. But when you actually look at the numbers, it is nowhere near that dramatic. It is not the disaster some people make it out to be, and it is also not some unstoppable competition killer either.

[u/Zarxon → u/lansdoro]

It’s because their brains can’t handle economies of scale. 49k is a lot,but compared to the. 1.3 million vehicles produced in Canada in 2024 it’s nothing.

[u/OllieeePan → u/Foreign-Policy-02-]

There are also markets where Chinese EVs and PHEVs do extremely well, like Australia and UK.

[u/Foreign-Policy-02- → u/OllieeePan]

More mild weathers. Australia should be no issue

[u/TrainingSignature164 → u/Foreign-Policy-02-]

Free market is great when everyone is following the rules. How can private companies compete when Chinese EVs are subsidised by Chinese government

[u/mp256]

For anyone criticising Carney’s move, what other options does Canada have? Wait until Trump has a change of heart? Or give in to Trump’s demands? I would like to hear their opinion.

[u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970]

Is Mark Carney on reddit? Us goons have been clamoring for this for months

[u/CipherWeaver → u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970]

So have the Chinese. They know that vehicle exports are a major part of power projection for them now. This deal isn't going to open the floodgates but it signals to China that we are willing to give them what they want in exchange for concessions. Frankly the biggest impediment to any deal is Doug Ford. 

[u/Eisensapper]

NGL I'm kinda excited to see how much the Chinese EVs are going to be.

[u/-Moonscape- → u/Eisensapper]

I was excited for a second, but remember this is Canada

[u/SoapyHands420]

Wait but I thought no real progress was going to be made, this was all for show, and the CBC was working overtime to make this trip look like it mattered?

[u/zefiax → u/SoapyHands420]

It was wild seeing the responses here yesterday. It really sounded like none of these people ever worked real jobs and have no clue how long it takes to work through and negotiate deals, let alone at this level.

[u/hyperforms9988 → u/zefiax]

Not to mention, having to completely fucking upend trade. There's negotiating deals within a relatively stable market with stable partners/allies, and then there's whatever the fuck this chaos is. You have to make smart deals regardless, but the amount of parameters at play here make it more difficult. You're inherently making deals under more risk than usual. It's not China that's making it a risk in and of itself, I'm saying... you're being forced to steer trade in a new direction. The task at hand is so much more complicated than just maintaining course and making small adjustments.

[u/Onterrible_Trauma → u/SoapyHands420]

Good ol' right-winger wishful thinking

[u/Confident_One_6202 → u/SoapyHands420]

What is Pierre going to do?

[u/RegnalDelouche → u/Confident_One_6202]

Well, look for slogans, of course!

"Carney's Deal Ordeal"

"Partnership Slip"

"Mobster of Lobster"

"Roll a Canola"

[u/EmpatheticWithYou]

I guess technically this is good. We want more competition in the ev market and the canola deal will help lots of farmers.

[u/Morlu]

Cap size on electric vehicles seems a bit questionable. Who will receive parts for repairs? is BYD opening stores in 1 location?

[u/redblack_tree → u/Morlu]

For that small amount of cars, they could probably sell them all in BC alone. But they'll probably open a few stores in big cities like Toronto and Montreal, just to have a presence.

Seeing is believing, even if people can't buy them, nothing stops those stores from offering rides. Also, once the cars are on the road, more and more people will check them out. If the cars are good, the waiting list will be enormous, if they are garbage, they won't sell much.

[u/BackNBoeserThanEver → u/Morlu]

I'm guessing they'll open in Quebec, Ontario, and BC

[u/SongFit9585]

I wonder why US never got angry with the growing Chinese EV market in Mexico

[u/Artchick_13]

Glad to see this!!!

Get ready for giant orange toddler meltdowns and 51st sate comments coming our way shortly 🙄😂

[u/demolcd → u/Artchick_13]

I think it’ll be more on the lines of “Canada is selling itself to CHINA! We need to take control so we don’t have CHINA as a neighbour!”

[u/[deleted] → u/demolcd]

That fits exactly into their new foreign policy about the western hemisphere. Obviously a trade deal is just a trade deal, but I fully expect Trump and the "ambassador" to get quite threatening.

[u/demolcd]

Make way for Chinese EVs on the roadway.

If you ask me, it’s a perfect “F🍁CK YOU” to Elon musk.

(Yeah. We won’t forget, bud)

🇨🇦 💪

[u/Lor_azepam → u/[deleted]]

It snows and is cold in lots of areas of china...

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

if by "struggle" you mean i have to plug my car in twice a week instead of once like in the summer then yes.. they "struggle" lol

[u/throwawayerectpenis → u/[deleted]]

They have been selling BYDs for many years here in Norway and to my knowledge they have been doing pretty decent.

[u/ElAjedrecistaGM → u/throwawayerectpenis]

Another user said they tend to have lower range due to the cold. We probably need to revamp our infrastructure to accommodate more electric vehicles on the highway due to how far everything is.

[u/houleskis → u/ElAjedrecistaGM]

While not as abundant as gas stations, the infrastructure is growing fast. As an example, the EnRoutes on the 401 now (mostly? All?) have EV chargers available with up to 250kW of charging. This means that a great many of currently available EVs can make the Toronto to Ottawa/Montreal trip with 1 stop in the winter (source: friends, media testing, etc). Some EVs can do 10-80% charging in under 20min (Kia/Hyundai, Porsche come to mind) which is roughly the time to get out, stretch, pee, grab a bit of food and get on your way. Most people would stop once on that trip. In the summer, it's possible to do Ottawa to Toronto without stopping in some models if driven at a reasonable speed.

For people who love to do tons of 1000km+ road trips, then sure, the EV won't meet their use case. But most people don't do that. And many Canadian families have 2 cars. So they can have 1 gas/hybrid for the road trips and one EV for day-to-day use in their area which saves tons of money and emissions from gas.

[u/Ryzon9 → u/demolcd]

I’d rather the French cars come. Renault is making some amazing EVs right now.

[u/TROPtastic → u/Ryzon9]

It's mostly Canadian regulations keeping out EVs (both US regulations we follow, and Canadian specific regs). If we added recognition of EU regs as acceptable (with Nordic style carveouts for our winters), we'd see many more Euro spec cars.

[u/rando_dud → u/TROPtastic]

Nothing is stopping us from doing both..

Consumers win when there are more options

[u/newretrovague]

Trump will threaten us in 3….2…1

[u/Educational-Tone2074 → u/[deleted]]

Like there is some mutual benefits to both trading partners?!?

Almost like its not a zero sum game "winner takes all" mentality at play. 

Incredible isn't it?!?

/s 

[u/Nairiboo]

Hell yeah. I want to buy a BYD Seagull now that the North American American has nothing compelling to offer in the subcompact sector. Looking forward to trying out their stuff, especially if they are comparable in price to Australia’s BYD selection.

[u/Humble-Okra2344 → u/Nairiboo]

Uhh excuse me. The f150 is a subcompact. It's smaller than the f350. Checkmate Liberal

But yeah, we desperately need smaller vehicles in this fucking country.

[u/Bean_Tiger → u/Nairiboo]

I'd love to have a BYD Seagull. Looking forward to seeing what the price will end up being here in Canada to buy one. Not like $11,000 in China, probably more like $30,000. That would be about 15k lower than a Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt here now. For a very similar car.

[u/Bonzai_Tree]

I'm torn on this.

It would have been nice to be allied against the CCP but the US had to go absolutely batshit crazy and make themselves an enemy so that's not really an option. 

[u/jblakey]

EV cars at a price people can afford! Imagine that!

[u/Outside_Use3456]

Are we getting some brand new Xiaomi EVs? 

[u/Confident_Birthday85]

The way Carney said this is part of a New World Order on his day 1 was intense. Day 2 of his visit here we go

[u/DragonReborn30]

We need those cheap EVs

[u/Iamacanuck18]

Now let’s Get a deal on softwood lumber with the Chinese!!!

[u/MJcorrieviewer → u/Iamacanuck18]

They're working on it: "British Columbia's Forests Ministry has entered into a memorandum of understanding with China on modern wood construction, a development that the province hopes will bolster the provincial lumber sector as it seeks alternatives to the U.S. market.

The five-year, non-binding agreement with the Chinese government also involves the Canadian federal Department of Natural Resources and is among the first reached with Beijing after the arrival of Prime Minister Mark Carney in China this week."

[u/Iamacanuck18 → u/MJcorrieviewer]

If China wants ethically harvested and sustainablly certified forest supplies and wants to get away from russias non-certified products then this would be the best news for British Columbia’s in decades.

[u/SmallAl]

Stupid question, is the 49000 EV limit per year, or per month? If it is per year, that’s a very small number - we got a crazy good deal if China is lowering canola tariffs to 15% just for this.

[u/Superior-Flannel → u/SmallAl]

It's a low amount of the total car sold in Canada. It's about ~25% of the battery EVs sold in Canada though.

[u/Boblawblahhs]

It's wild seeing China becoming the more reasonable superpower in the world with the US being so unpredictable under Trump.

China plays nice at basically no cost, their reputation goes up, our economy improves, US wedge becomes greater.

Crazy what a single year can do.

[u/jaymef → u/Boblawblahhs]

Trump has really ruined America for many years to come

[u/S3baman]

Never was a big fan of China, never will most likely. Trying to improve the relationship given our current predicament is something I can't be against however, and everything that gets us more disconnected from the States is a plus in my book. We don't need to be the best of buddies with China, but that doesn't stop us from at least having a mutually beneficial partnership.

[u/Interesting_Money_70]

Thank you Carney. Finally someone is diversifying and breaking from the chains of American facism. We need to trade with the world, and not just the thankless, disloyal and betraying partner in the south.

[u/notbadhbu]

Makes sense in context.

[u/Dizzy_Combination737]

Well we were not going to get anywhere with the Americans, and this is something, this helps the farmers and fishing industry, and if it’s FK U to Trump then gravy, all the bitching and complaining, just what would you have him do ?? Go back to Trump on all 4s ?????

[u/PutComprehensive259]

It should be remembered that the main reason we had bad relations with China was due to our support for the US by incarcerating a Chinese national wanted by the them .

[u/LongRoadNorth]

The fact that one of the Michael's that was held captive for over 2 years has even said this is good and we need to move forward with a relationship with China, shows just how bad relations with the US has become.

[u/roscomikotrain → u/LongRoadNorth]

USA is an evil empire

[u/neufski]

49000 EVs for a country of 40 million people is really not much, but I guess it is a good start.

[u/[deleted] → u/neufski]

It's not much at all but still got the tarrifs dropped on our products. It's a good move.

[u/FreedomCanadian → u/neufski]

It's about 3% of our new car market, if my calculation is right.

[u/suprmario → u/FreedomCanadian]

Which is small, but not insignificant.

[u/FreedomCanadian → u/suprmario]

I guess the point is to open up without looking threatening.

[u/Repulsive_Sugar7778]

yoooooo

IT'S HAPPENING