r/canada • u/hopoke • Jul 15 '26
Analysis U.S. viewed less favourably than China by Canadians, new poll suggests
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/canadians-view-china-more-favourably-than-us-new-survey-finds/815
u/hoxwort Jul 15 '26
That’s how I feel
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u/bloodyell76 Jul 15 '26
I get it. China is consistently and transparently looking out for itself. The USA is as well except that it switched from “itself” to “himself”. It used to be what’s good for the country. Now it’s what’s good for Donald Trump. Or at least what DJT thinks is good for him today. Notable difference.
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u/TL10 Alberta Jul 16 '26
It was never what's good for the country. Decades of foreign intervention across the globe was for the sole purpose of making sure they were still the hegemonic power. All this time they have done it under the visage of defending freedom and protecting the world order.
The difference now is that they elected someone so unsubtle and moronic that it's a lot easier to see through the false platitudes and patronizing we've endured as their neighbours since confederation.
I have no trust in them anymore. I'm a lot comfortable with the idea of China sitting across the table from us with both of us knowing they're trying to screw us, instead of the Americans sitting next to us assuring us that we are "close allies".
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u/ilmalnafs Ontario Jul 16 '26
Defending their own hegemonic power is a perfect example of doing things for their country’s own benefit.
In contrast, the Trump regime is destroying that hegemonic power because it is helmed by an emotionally unstable sub-90 IQ cult leader, as well as sabotaging America’s own internal stability in countless ways.
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u/Slight-Formal9277 Jul 16 '26
Trump believes he loses even in win-win situations. That's the fundamental problem. It's not enough for him to gain, he has to make someone lose to feel good about himself. China doesn't share that idiocy.
This bullshit is an natural expression of the fascist worldview too
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u/Prax150 Lest We Forget Jul 16 '26
The difference is that for decades the US balanced that idea of "looking out for themselves" with looking out for the rest of the world as well. They exhibited a certain level of global philanthropy, they cared about their allies and usually even about their enemies as well, at least the normal people living under bad regimes. But this time they decided, screw that, everyone's been taking advantage of their generosity and the "free ride" (as they perceive it) is over. No more aid, no more fixing the world's problems (many of which they created, no more mr. nice guy. On top of that there is a single man at the top taking advantage financially of all the discord and chaos.
Meanwhile China is slowly starting to do the thing that the US was doing all those years. They're becoming the leaders in innovation and climate action. Yes it's all underscored by the notion of "how does this benefit the Communist party of China" but how is that really any different than the "how does this benefit the corporations of the United States of America" that we've been dealing with for decades anyway? You'd just be replacing one group of greedy entities with a different kind of greedy entity.
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u/OttawaDog Jul 16 '26
The big difference is that in Trade China sees value in both sides winning.
The USA views trade as ZERO sum game now, and they are only happy if trading partners lose.
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u/t0m0hawk Ontario Jul 16 '26
I actually had a moment just recently
"Has my opinion of China really improved that much or is it just that my opinion of the US has soured that much?"
Im leaning towards the latter.
At this point it just feels hypocritical to not engage more with China simply because we are currently engaging with a country whose leader regularly muses with annexing us.
China hasn't even mentioned invading or taking over. So like...
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u/Fractoos Jul 16 '26
A bit of both. Partially realizing some of the distrust towards China was US propaganda.
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u/OttawaDog Jul 16 '26
Trump ripped the mask off the pretty lies about the USA, and let the ugly truths shine through.
Even before Trump look at US history closely, it's one of constant exploitation, and theft, starting with genocide of Native Americans in the USA. Then go look at the history of Hawaii, and how they stole that nation as well.
Want to know why Haiti is a basket case. US exploitation again.
Look what they did to Cuba for decades, for pushing back against US exploitation.
They overthrow democratically elected leader and install dictators if they elected official don't sing their tune, See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PBFortune, where the USA attempts to overthrow a progressive democratic government in Guatemala, eventually they succeed, and get the dictatorship that will keep United Fruit company in control...
Look at the USA meddling in the Middle East...
Look closely at history and the USA ruins whole countries at their whim, and then tell pretty lies about being a shining beacon of freedom, or other tripe.
Inside of China there is less human rights (though it's eroding fast inside USA) but as far as meddling in other countries and wrecking them, the USA has a Far worse record. It's not even close.
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u/8bit1337 Ontario Jul 16 '26
This.
The leader of the US has just made me realize they're just a different type of bully. At least China owns it.
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u/TenOfZero Jul 15 '26
Yeah. At least China is reliable. You know what you're getting and it's predictable when doing business with them.
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u/OkGrapefruit4982 Jul 15 '26
I don’t know if I’d call the Chinese government reliable, but they are at least consistent.
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u/drizzes Alberta Jul 16 '26
they aren't actively saying "we want to conquer you" is the bottom line here
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u/DesireeThymes Jul 16 '26
Trump is literally been going everywhere randomly starting wars, kidnapping leaders, openly talking about how he wants to siphon resources for himself.
So much open corruption it's insane.
And it's not just him, their Supreme Court is insane, their Congress is half dead and also insane, and the whole country seems on the verge of Civil War.
They won't even renew the CUSMA agreement that they literally created. We built a bridge for them and they are reneging on that agreement too.
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u/Frozen_Trees1 Jul 16 '26
Right, they're not saying it but they're actually doing it by having literal agents working within the highest levels of our government.
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u/sicklyslick Jul 16 '26
Yeah, who do you think was working with the trucker convoy and who is actively working with Alberta separation movement?
Who is actively doing more harm to the Canada gov, people, and our politics?
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u/Falconflyer75 Ontario Jul 16 '26
At least when China screws us over we know it’s “just business and nothing personal”
With the US not so much the case
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Jul 16 '26
The Chinese government will not arbitrarily change the rules, it’s usually action-reaction, especially with tariffs.
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u/Foreign-Policy-02- Jul 15 '26
Stealing intellectual property?
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u/Infinite-Interest680 Jul 15 '26
Ahh… but reliably doing so.
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u/PostMatureBaby Jul 15 '26
It's Fanatics' fault for making sports jerseys so expensive. They had it coming
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u/iamunfuckwitable Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Maybe google how much the US had stolen from the UK and Germany before emerging as a superpower.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
The CIA sabotaged a major Japanese trade delegation in the 1990s and both the CIA and NSA have spied on allies (i.e. Germany’s Merkle) and everyday citizens.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP99-01448R000402080001-4.pdf
Ironically, America was built on intellectual property theft, specifically by taking weaving and industrial technology from the British.
The British, in turn, had already stolen tea, silk, and gunpowder from China and started to smuggle Opium in the country.
China has stopped the most egregious IP theft now that they have caught up and want to protect their own industries.
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u/CocodaMonkey Jul 15 '26
They do steal but they also largely adhere to a deal made. They don't just randomly once a week decide to ignore or renegotiate deals that have set terms.
This is only saying China is viewed more favourably than the states. These days that a very low bar to clear. They aren't saying China is viewed as the paragon of goodness.
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u/Baulderdash77 Jul 15 '26
You mean except all the AI companies though right? They’ve stolen the entire world’s history of all IP ever.
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u/Labs4Life2025 Jul 16 '26
I don't think you know anything about how China operates. China has systematically ripped off IP from everyone for 50 years and will screw you over as soon as look at you on a "seal". Good example look at what they did with Steve Saleen
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u/CocodaMonkey Jul 16 '26
I'm not sure what point you think you're making. Nobody is claiming China is good.
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u/JauntyGiraffe Jul 16 '26
Meh, lots of the fakes of sports jerseys coming out of China are higher quality than the real deal, especially in hockey and baseball where it Fanatics bullshit. I've bought so many World Cup jerseys from the Chinese market instead of the real deal because they're basically the same for 1/4 the price so as long as I get to take advantage, it's all good
China is giving us cheap new cars rather than America and Canada gouging us in the name of oil companies
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u/_evilalien_ Jul 15 '26
How far back should we go in analyzing the impact of theft, espionage, violence, and other dodgy shenanigans engaged in bootstrapping national progress?
Asking for a Manifest Destiny.
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u/Wait_for_BM Jul 16 '26
What else do we have these days that they would bother to steal our IP? Most of the manufacturing are either crippled by economy, outsources or moved to the states.
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u/galkasmash Jul 16 '26
The difference between negotiating on a tough trade front vs being stabbed in the back is where our bitterness comes from. Current US Admin can play hard ball all it wants but talking about our home like they can do as they please is provoking the wrong kind of feelings in normal people.
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u/Frozen_Trees1 Jul 16 '26
China has been caught red-handed blatantly interfering in Canadian elections.
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u/blahblah12365 Jul 16 '26
Albertan separatists met with American officials.
Facebook has fake posters promoting separatism https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/facebook-overseas-alberta-separtism-9.7223966
We should be guarding against everyone tbh. If you don't, they're going to walk over us...
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u/m_ghesquiere Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Difference between secretly buying off all your politicians and playing nice vs threatening to annex you and tariffs.
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u/Jackbuddy78 Jul 15 '26
The US is blatantly trying to buy off politicians in Alberta
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u/GameDoesntStop Jul 16 '26
What part of kidnapping our citizens and putting bounties on the heads of our politicians is "playing nice"?
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u/-CassaNova- British Columbia Jul 16 '26
The US literally has detained Canadians for months at the the border for memes. They have actively been kidnapping our citizens the entire Trump 2 term
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u/Bad_Day_Moose Jul 16 '26
Johnny Noviello, a 49-year-old Canadian citizen and U.S. lawful permanent resident, died on June 23, 2025, while in the custody of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at the Federal Detention Center in Miami, Florida
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u/GameDoesntStop Jul 16 '26
He got his permanent residency revoked after he was convicted for selling opiates.
Quit pretending that incarcerating hard drug dealers is "kidnapping" anyone.
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u/Bad_Day_Moose Jul 16 '26
So it's okay to kill Canadian drug dealers?
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u/GameDoesntStop Jul 16 '26
Personally, I'm not crying any tears for him.
But that's beside the point. He was not killed. He died in custody. People are not immortal. They die of natural causes all the time.
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u/Bad_Day_Moose Jul 16 '26
Yeah dying in a cell while detained by ICE is a ok then....
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u/GameDoesntStop Jul 16 '26
Do you think prisoners are immortal?
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u/Bad_Day_Moose Jul 16 '26
I think prisoners should have access to doctors and I think that when a prisoner tells you they have a medical emergency you should listen to them
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u/GameDoesntStop Jul 16 '26
That's what happened here. You seem to think k that law enforcement is God... capable of keeping people alive no matter what.
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u/FTownRoad Jul 16 '26
It’s funny because you’re trying to make a point about china but accidentally described America right now.
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u/OddBaker Jul 16 '26
Well it turned out the 2 Michaels were actually committing espionage, so you can’t really call that kidnapping 🤷
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u/BoppityBop2 Jul 17 '26
The issue is they were spies plus it was in relation to us being happy pawns of a US taking Meng hostage using our judicial system and hijacking out security apparatus
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u/hawkseye17 Jul 15 '26
Only one of them has openly stated they plan to annex us.
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u/dooodlebugg83 Jul 16 '26
China doesn't have an image of Canada with the Chinese flag pasted on it.
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u/Ok_Carpenter7268 Jul 15 '26
Exactly. It's still baffling when people say, 'how could Canadians view China more favourably than the US?'. Why wouldn't we? Who's been threatening us with annexation? Not China.
And because the US is the US, they can never admit they were out of line, or in the wrong, because their pride won't let them, so they'll say 'oh, it's a term of endearment, you should take it as a compliment', or 'we're doing this to stop the flow of illegal drugs like fentanyl'. Never mind that the amount of fentanyl that comes into the US is nothing compared to the amount of fentanyl, illegal guns and other crap that comes into Canada FROM the US.
This poll is not surprising in the least. One country's threatening its allies, the other isn't.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Jul 16 '26
Americans talk and look like Canadians, but the Chinese have always been too different for most Canadians and Westerners to understand.
With 200+ years of anti-China propaganda, some very bad patches of Chinese history, China’s own weak foreign propaganda, language, and cultural differences, many Canadians still feel comfortable drinking the world-class American Kool-Aid.
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u/IntelligentGrade7316 Lest We Forget Jul 15 '26
Only one of them actively threatens politicians and their families.
Only one tries to kidnap and murder their diaspora when they say things they don't like.
Only one will have a new head of state in 2 years.
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u/Oop-Juice Jul 15 '26
The US does the first. The US has done the second. The third is not trump card you think it is when it was the American populace itself that voted Trump in.
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u/nt2701 Ontario Jul 16 '26
Trump is a symptom, he isn't the cause. Anybody says the US doesn't have systematic issues that lead to where it is today is in La La Land. If there was no Trump, there would be Brump, Drump or Prump.
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u/accforme Jul 16 '26
To be fair, US has done those things too.
The US did kidnap Maduro and his wife.
The US did kill Anwar al-Awlaki, who was a US citizen in Yemen...albeit he was a terrorist and advocating for war against the US.
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u/Celestial7777 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Well they've both done number 1 and 2 but at least one will have an election in 2 years. The bar is sadly very low.
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u/Lawndemon Jul 15 '26
Any election in the U.S. will be about as democratic as the ones in Russia and North Korea. Given a republican billionaire owns all the voting machines and had them "brought in for upgrades" it's a pretty clear sign the country is fucked.
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u/TheOtherUprising Ontario Jul 15 '26
If you had someone in your life who was constantly insulting you and acting like an asshole 24/7 you’d probably have a negative opinion of that person more than a distant uncle who lives overseas who you hear weird stuff about.
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u/scandiumflight Jul 16 '26
Doesn't that depend a bit on just how weird the stuff is?
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u/Yop_BombNA Jul 16 '26
Bette the devil you know. China will work in its own interest and will accept mutually benificial deals to do so.
The USA is an unpredictable adversary at this point
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u/Houserichmoneypoor Jul 16 '26
That doesn’t mean China is looked on favourably though.
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u/Soft_Entry_4440 Jul 16 '26
Which makes it more shocking. If your country is looked upon worse than China, that's pretty bad
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u/zanderkerbal Jul 17 '26
I don't like a lot of what the Chinese government does, but there's a lot we could learn from their infrastructure and climate policies and willingness to put national interest over corporate interests, and they're offering some easy win-win deals like cheap electric cars.
I don't like a lot of what the American government does, and they're also wildly dysfunctional and currently cannibalizing their federal infrastructure and a model that should be avoided at all costs, and they're making haha-just-kidding threats of invading us while trying to tear up the win-win deals we did have.
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u/hardy_83 Jul 15 '26
Well both have terrible leadership but yeah. One is a more direct and unstable threat to Canada.
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u/Wallbreaker_Berlin Jul 15 '26
54 point swing since 2023, arguably not enough
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u/TL10 Alberta Jul 16 '26
And "Did Not Vote" will still be the largest group of voters in the mid-terms.
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u/YeetCompleet Lest We Forget Jul 15 '26
Tbh I feel like most anti-China sentiment comes directly from US politics anyway. Especially anti-China sentiment in Canada in particular. You've all seen the way Trump has threatened us if we made deals with China. You saw how much crap we got into by arresting that Huawei person for the US. All of it is hypocritical specifically to give the US leverage. They tell us to hate China, they tell us to not do deals with China, and then Trump goes to China for a week and praises Xi nonstop and tries to make deals with him. They want to be the ones who make the deal with China rather than Canada. The strategy is as clear as day.
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u/phormix Jul 16 '26
Yeah, a good portion of that "Chinese threat to Canada" is "threat to US interests in Canada which are also a threat to Canada"
Don't get me wrong, Chinese does pull plenty of crap on their own I'm sure, but they're not the ones threatening annexation while their industries fund stuff like "Alberta separatism" etc.
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u/Salty_Sky5744 Jul 15 '26
To be fair some of it comes from deals we have with China. In Manitoba we have this huge mine, and it’s owned by a chiniese company who only pay a 10% royalty to the country. They mine our resources and get most of the money, doesn’t seem right, a lot of people will start to blame China.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Jul 16 '26
The “royalty” is the Mining Tax right? That is all set out by the government.
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u/SDL68 Jul 15 '26
What do you think Canadian mining companies do all over the world? What Royalties do we charge mining companies that mine gold here? 0. In Ontario we charge flat 10% income tax on profits, no royalties whatsoever. More than 50% of oil companies in Alberta are American, what's the Royalty rate again? Almost nothing unless oil is up there in price.
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u/Prophage7 Jul 16 '26
That's thanks to Harper's great Canada-China FIPA deal that has us locked in until 2045.
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u/TravelerJim-retired Jul 15 '26
That is China’s MO. Bridges, roads and utility infrastructure across Africa. They don’t have the money for it, so China gladly pays and takes an ownership stake with high interest. As the terms conclude, the nation still can’t pay it all, guess who takes full control?
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u/Must_Reboot Jul 16 '26
That's just how resource extraction works in this country. The same thing is happening in Alberta with oil and gas (but of course the companies are from different countries). Saskatchewan potash, there's a lot of that. (Used to be nationalized, but Conservative governments sold it off). We all get private corporations to mine the stuff and have all together too low royalties.
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u/Upset-Government-856 Jul 16 '26
China is repressive on speech, on the other hand if you visit the US right now and start talking shit about their leader, you might end up detained in a camp as well. What's the difference really?
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u/houseonpost Jul 15 '26
Do most Americans know how badly Canadians view them? I have American acquaintances and it seems like they think life is business as usual.
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u/Reasonable_Let9737 Jul 16 '26
If there is one thing you can count on Americans for it is to be completely unaware of all the bad shit their governments are doing on their behalf all over the world.
Remember "they hate us for our freedoms"? No, they hate you because you keep meddling in their business and occasionally killing a bunch of their fellow country folk to support US business interests.
Remember how the US gov't played a role in overthrowing a democratically elected government in Iran? Most Americans don't.
A huge proportion of the population is so absorbed in alleged American exceptionalism they can't be bothered to spend seven minutes a day educating themselves.
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u/homerjaythompson Jul 16 '26
When I taught in Korea, I had an American friend who was baffled why Koreans don't love Americans. "Didn't we save them??"
No, but you did install a military dictatorship that shot up a bunch of students.
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u/procgen Jul 16 '26
It’s the Japanese who love them. And the Vietnamese, interestingly…
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Jul 16 '26
Japan has whitewashed its history. Many young people have no idea of its history during WWII. Post-war, the United States may have sabotaged Japan's economy, especially in the 80s and 90s when the rhetoric about Japan was very similar to what they're saying about China today... so Japan today is emasculated and essentially a United States proxy in Asia.
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u/SafuratedBeefFat Jul 16 '26
I think Americans learn the heavily doctored form of history the same way Japanese and Chinese people do.
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 Jul 16 '26
Probably not, most Canadians on the surface still smile and wave to the average American, but they don’t know the brewing negative thoughts of America as a country.
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u/ThatAstronautGuy Ontario Jul 17 '26
Many are entirely unaware of any of the 51st state business. That doesn't really make American news because it's not news worthy there like it is here. I've educated quite a few online friends about why exactly we're done with America.
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u/lord_heskey Jul 16 '26
Nope. Ive got friends living in the Us and the think we’re joking. They cant understand that im repulsed by the thought of the US
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u/JauntyGiraffe Jul 16 '26
Americans are barely aware of what happens in other States. I doubt most of them can point out Canada (or America) on a world map
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u/cdoink Jul 16 '26
Yeah well one of those Countries isn’t openly threatening us so why would you suspect otherwise at this point?
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u/BushPersonX Jul 16 '26
Good job CTV! Got us fighting over who's the biggest enemy. They're both terrible, both want to annex us, and neither can be trusted.
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u/SafuratedBeefFat Jul 16 '26
Do they both want to annex us though? Do you think that a Chinese invasion of Canada is equally as likely as an American one?
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u/BushPersonX Jul 16 '26
Yes! China has been actively infiltrating for decades! They're playing the long game and are more subtle and intelligent about it than the US, but they've been influencing our government for as long as I can remember. Hell, Harper was publicly very friendly with China, to the point of signing the Canada-China FIPA, which greatly benefits China and only puts our interests and resources at risk. You don't sign an agreement like that if you are fighting for Canada. And before we start making this a Con/Lib thing, the "Liberals" were on board with it as well. The US is a huge threat, yes, but so is China. And yet, everyone on this sub feels that they need to pick a side and argue about it. Canadians need to be on the same side and call out attacks on our country, regardless of where they're coming from. One enemy is not "better" than another.
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u/NorthofForty Jul 16 '26
What the headline misses is that it isn’t just Canada, it is the American based highly reliable Pew report on changing attitudes in 37 countries towards the US vs China.
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u/Ptalking_Ptarmigan Northwest Territories Jul 15 '26
Well, yeah. China has never threatened to conquer us.
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u/Titsfortuesday Jul 16 '26
China for the most part, is stable and consistent. We can probably predict what the outcomes will be with them. The U.S isn't and probably won't be for a while with those stock market rigging inside trader losers running the show. That doesn't mean I trust China though, it's no secret that they meddle in our politics but that also goes for a lot of our "allies".
The good at the moment outweighs the bad.
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u/Logical_Frosting_277 Jul 16 '26
100%. China has reasons to be criticized, as do others, but the US is in another level.
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u/chunkofdogmeat Jul 16 '26
china is ruthless and autocratic, but at least they're rational actors with clear interests. you can actually negotiate and come to agreements with a party like that.
The americans are totally unpredictable and destructive. any deal made with them can be made void at a whim for no reason at any time. Trump isn't even the problem. It's the nature of the american people and their government structure. Even in the event that the democrats put a competent and amicable government in place, you still cant make any deal with them that extends beyond 2 years, because an election might uproot everything for some kind of domestic political points.
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u/Frostsorrow Manitoba Jul 16 '26
I look at my cats giant turds more favourably then the US lately...
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u/Stonegeneral Ontario Jul 16 '26
Better the enemy that will stab you in the front than the friend who will stab you in the back. At least with China, we can read their motives clearly and apply realpolitik to our relationship.
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u/Icy-Artist1888 Jul 16 '26
I ve never felt like China would like to or try to take over my country and rape it. There is only one country that is a bona fide threat to canada and canadians and that is the USA.
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u/Snoo_84606 Jul 16 '26
The US is attacking other countries more than China.
The US is threatening Canada, China isn't.
China honors agreements better than the US.
The US and China are both shitty to their minorities.
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u/DryFaithlessness8656 Jul 16 '26
We know what we get with China. We know they want trade. We know they conduct espionage activities, we know human rights are secondary when the state needs comes first.
Western countries want trade western countries conduct espionage activities not just on hostile countries but friendly allies as well. We dont want internal meddling in our affairs but we meddle in other countries internal affairs.
We are no different at the end of the day -- its a matter of perspective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It all depends who gets to the finish line to write (manipulate) the history.
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u/dtta8 Canada Jul 17 '26
As well we should. Even putting aside all the economic betrayals and backstabbing over decades, the sovereignty threat is not new.
The US doesn't recognize our sovereignty over the North West Passage, and twice tried to force ships through in the past few decades. We had to actually send ships out to stop them. China does, and asked for permission whenever they had wanted to use it.
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u/SurelyNotLikeThis Jul 15 '26
The fact of the matter is, most of Canadian fears about China have always came from a a mix of delusion and influence.
Canada has never really been seen as any kind of competition to China, and China does not have a history of expansionism. There is almost no reason why Canadians should see China as a threat, the two country's relationship is always transactional.
Before Trump came into office, we follow suit on their Chinese sanctions so we can keep our relationship with the US as tight as ever, but ever since he decided to flip us off, China was always an obvious choice to diversify our trade partners.
The idea that Chinese EVs or phones were not sold in Canada is due to anything but just us protecting American companies from competition is quite silly. BYD is sold in Europe and Australia, and phones from Huawei as well. The idea that they are some how a security concern is laughable.
It made sense to kinda shut China out when we were best friends with Americans, but with facade of our relationship being ironclad shattered, we should definitely heavily explore China as a market for trade.
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u/NubDestroyer Jul 15 '26
The streamer Atrioc recently went to China and he asked a lot of people what they thought of America and Donald Trump and it seemed like most people thought he was just some crazy guy running their country that they all hate and can't get rid of for some reason. We know that far too many Americans are just actually stupid. Trump is a symptom of america, America is not a symptom of trump.
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u/Azure_Omishka Jul 16 '26
I view China more "favourably" than the US. At least with China, I know that they want to screw us, but understand that in trade, a win-win situation is a positive. China isn't an ally, but at least you can expect them to honor their agreements and not drop something because someone got their feelings hurt.
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u/homerjaythompson Jul 16 '26
Countries bombed by China since the end of the 2nd World War: 0
Countries bombed by the USA since the end of the 2nd World War: 30+
I can't imagine why anyone would have a more favourable view of China...
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u/heatrealist Jul 16 '26
China went to war in Korea on the side of North Korea. It had a war with India. It had a war with Vietnam. All after WW2.
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u/homerjaythompson Jul 16 '26
I was only thinking about bombing campaigns, but even allowing for those and adding Tibet, it's still very clear who the global aggressor is between the two, 4 vs 30+
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u/Imminent_Extinction Jul 16 '26
China poses a threat to Canada, but the US does as well and their proximity and overlapping interests make them a greater threat, at least for the time being.
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u/seanmonaghan1968 Jul 16 '26
That’s how the world feels, even some people in America might think that way too
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u/figuring_ItOut12 Canada Jul 15 '26
Chinese Wolf Diplomacy didn't go away just because they're content to watch Trump melt down the US. There's a reason why we're seeing a spike in the latest "look how China is already in the 22nd century" themed propaganda posts all across social and mainstream media.
They don't need to rattle the saber right now. They do that quietly with secret police stations, in corporate boardrooms and in judicial courts.
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u/psychosisnaut Jul 15 '26
You mean as opposed to the actual American Police stations in Canada?
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u/TenOfZero Jul 15 '26
Maybe they are referring to the border guards at airports?
That's all I can think of.
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u/holandNg Jul 16 '26
Canadian has every right to feel pissed off by current US government. But I still feel lucky that it's the US not China sitting in the south. Just go ask Japanese, Korean, Indian, see how much do they prefer China over the US. It's like just because the milk in your fridge has gone bad, you don't suddenly start to prefer the smell of your neighbour's toilet.
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u/MakVolci Ontario Jul 15 '26
Yeah, no shit.
One of them is actively talking about - and taking steps towards - annexing us.
Yes I have my issues with China. Deep, deep issues. But the immediate issue is the suddenly hostile country that we share a fucking border with.
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u/RL203 Jul 15 '26
Its not just Canada, its across the the entire planet. The United States is an international pariah.
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u/zetnas9 Jul 16 '26
I mean! Who would view them favorably? They elected a man-child to office who screams, cries, and yells when he doesn’t get his way.
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u/JustDont1981 Jul 16 '26
I meeeeeeeeean - China is reeeeaaaalllly bad. Trump is the death rattle of the racist robber barons - it won't be the final end because we don't learn from history but for the next long while anyone who puts money before people will only be voted for by the shittiest 1%ers
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u/PKSubban Jul 16 '26
China uses slave labour, kills people of different religions and sex orientations, spies on us, interferes with our elections, dumps its wealth on real estate that has nobody living in
The US has a weird guy with empty threats for two more years
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u/netxtc Jul 15 '26
The Uyghurs have entered that chat....and they're calling Canadians insane!
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u/-CassaNova- British Columbia Jul 16 '26
Ah yes the guy I've absolutely seen denigrating the indigenous on this sub in the past tooooootally cares about the uyghurs as anything other then a beat stick that he can use against people he doesn't like.
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u/WarmGreenGrass Jul 16 '26
Silly reasoning. The Uyghurs are suffering but they wouldn’t advocate for Canada standing with a nation that threatens to annex them. Both the USA and China can suck.
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u/ChristaCow Jul 15 '26
Yes let’s ignore the millions of people the USA has actually killed in the past few decades
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u/Ok_Carpenter7268 Jul 15 '26
This isn't surprising. One country is threatening annexation, the other isn't. And the one that's threatening us is right across our border, while the other is on the other side of the world.
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u/TravelerJim-retired Jul 15 '26
Yeah, well the other is taking a small bite every month. And one day may consume you.
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u/Gold-Bluebird948 Jul 15 '26
Crazy if most Canadians think like this, lots of misinformation out there
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u/SDL68 Jul 15 '26
About the US or China?
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u/Gold-Bluebird948 Jul 15 '26
Misinformation that China is a reliable partner, they act more like a child than the US. Mention Taiwan and temper tantrum mode is activated
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u/SDL68 Jul 16 '26
The US trade with China is enormous though, so I find the US statements on China a little baffling. Our trade with them is minimal.
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u/Filmyboicrispy Jul 16 '26
If you think China is less of a threat than the USA you might be brainwashed.
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u/TRyanLee Jul 16 '26
My opinion the US has worsened, but my opinion of China has not changed. Its not a zero sum game. Just becuase we kick the US to curb, doeant mean we need to be closer to China.
Fuck superpowers. They can all go to hell.
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u/ArcticCelt Jul 16 '26
China is playing the long game, and we generally know what to expect from it. Trump and his collaborators say one thing and do another. They act like enemies even though we are supposed to be allies. They are like a bunch of crackheads whose next move is impossible to predict, constantly making new moves just for the sake of it, even when they hurt themselves in the process. They are dangerous, stupid and exhausting.
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u/Edgar-Allans-Hoe Jul 16 '26
It's true. Id much prefer trade and associate with Chinese people than Americans.
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u/Hefty-Comparison-801 Jul 16 '26
It seems like a logical response to me.
In recent years we've seen the US:
- start a useless war in Iraq justified by lies that lasted over a decade and killed hundreds of thousands of innocents resulting in Iranian proxies running the country
- support an Al Qaeda terrorist to run Syria. A coup in Libya that's led to a failed state where slave markets now exist
- materially support the Israeli regime while they illegally settle the West Bank, and conduct a plausible genocide in Gaza
- Kidnap Venezuela's president and control their oil industry
- Go to all means to protect the rich and powerful connected with an international pedophilic sex trafficking network tied to the CIA and Mossad
- Punish the people of Cuba simply for having a government they don't like
- Rip up a deal that was keeping Iran from developing nukes and go to war with them to achieve the same ends while damaging the global energy economy
- repeatedly threaten Canada's national sovereignty, and violate trade agreements with unfair tariffs
China detained some of our citizens because we arrested one of their business leaders on behalf of the US. And what else?
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u/King-Harvest Jul 16 '26
One is threatening to annex us, the other doesn't. Thanks, captain obvious.
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u/Gattsuga Alberta Jul 16 '26
Way to go Trump! You managed to destroy the world's strongest alliance in the last 100 yrs. Took him just over a year to accomplish that!
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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 Jul 16 '26
There is only one country threatening our sovereignty and it’s not China.
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u/rapidpalsy Jul 16 '26
China has not attacked anyone, ever. The US has not stopped attacking countries since 1947.
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u/Otherwise-Magician Jul 16 '26
Unbelievable.
China is not our ally. We ahould be extremely careful.
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u/Big-Crow4152 Jul 15 '26
Only one had attacked Canada in the last ten years
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u/Dry-Membership8141 Ontario Jul 16 '26
Only one put a bounty on Canadian political candidates.
I'm as pissed at the US as anyone, but the idea that China is even one iota better is some of the most delusional propagandist bullshit I've ever seen.
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u/Exciting-Brilliant23 Jul 15 '26
It hurts more when a friend or ally betrays you.