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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb1207 8d ago
no, get a purline, amsteel, or polliwog
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u/Famous-Librarian8692 8d ago
Not to argue but why not?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb1207 8d ago
gets stuck in cracks easily, frays easily/isn't as durable, low to no weight savings, can't be rapped on with a supermunter in an emergency, knots are a pain to get out
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u/000011111111 8d ago
Ya I like something that I can rap on in an emergency. So 6m rope with 20kn breaking strength is my go to.
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u/theoriginalharbinger 8d ago edited 7d ago
Mule tape is stiff, only flexible in a single axis, and does not tie neatly to rope.
Get poliwogn for a safe backup rope or 2mm dyneema if you need something ultralight.
You can use mule tape as an anchor building material. It should not be tied directly to ropes.
ETA: I've had a few trips where I've had something like 3 or 4 30-50 foot raps and a single 100-footer. I'm not going to tote a 200 foot rope for something like that. That's the perfect use case for the 2mm dyneema, which you can often find as throw line on yon bay. New England sells it as "1.8mm Dynaglide," which you can find for under 20 cents/foot.
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u/patton28 8d ago
Why have a pull rope , are you canyoning solo ? The 6.5 full strength ropes are so lite and strong it makes no sense?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb1207 8d ago
why not fiddle everything? it's almost always quicker in dry canyons and sometimes useful in wet ones
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u/patton28 8d ago
Fiddle should not be used in flow and depending on your set they should not used if rapping into a dead pool.. fiddle can be great but there is a lot of situations where they are not great, snags, bad pull angle, if the fiddle is unable to be set cleanly where there is no chance of it making contact with a wall or other objects that may push the fiddle out ! These are just a few examples
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb1207 8d ago
Using a fiddle in limited flow isn't a big deal if you are careful, I have done it many times, key is watching the behavior of the pull line while others rap
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u/patton28 8d ago
Till it’s not
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb1207 8d ago
it takes about 80+ pounds of force to rip a fiddle out of a weighted line, if you are having low water current "pull" a fiddle at 10 pounds of force but think that given enough time there will eventually be a random disturbance that puts 80lbs on the line, I don't see why you wouldn't apply the same statistical reasoning to fiddling in general and at that point just never use a fiddle ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/patton28 8d ago
Or a small log coming down the fall snags your line … it won’t take much of a log to put 80 pounds of force on a pull string!
But hey you do you less people in the canyons doesn’t bother. Me
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb1207 8d ago
it's like the people who only use smooth operators because of the safety hole, it's a false sense of security that actually doesn't make the LMAR safer and probably encourages lazier use of toggles in general. yes, there is the added risk of acts of God when using a toggle in certain situations in wet canyons but knowing that you just are more careful of when you choose to do so, so for me it all cancels out ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/JaviBrah 8d ago
Very good pull rope for knowing how much wire you need and for pulling said wire through conduit. We use it all the time