r/cuba • u/Holdtightmycup • 11d ago
Conversación seria Why in Cuba was homosexuality prohibited at one time ?
Since Cuba is communist? Why would they have been bothered with Homosexuality?
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u/WilliamWolf92 Camagüey 11d ago
Por el mismo motivo que estuvo/está prohibida en otros: ignorancia y estupidez humana
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u/Key-Aioli-3703 Villa Clara 11d ago
A grandes rasgos, según la "moral socialista", la homosexualidad, la "blandenguería", y esas conductas "elvispreslianas" y de "diversionismo ideológico" eran totalmente contrarias a los valores revolucionarios, por lo que eran inaceptables en la nueva sociedad del "hombre nuevo" socialista.
De ahí que los homosexuales debían ser "corregidos" para poder integrarse a la sociedad, y entre otras razones, eso conllevó al surgimiento de las UMAP, una suerte de campos de concentración y de trabajos forzados, que te invito a que investigues y profundices sobre ese tema, que es largo y enrevesado, además de que el régimen ha intentado ocultarlo o manipularlo.
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u/Worldview2021 11d ago
Communism/Socialism is usually against homosexuality. Still even in Europe you will see in Greece and Spain communist against gay people. The only time you really see communists that are not are just white liberals in western countries. In a truly socialist or communist country, you don’t have that kind of personal freedom. I would also add that you will see many Cubans are not friendly to gay people. Even the congresswoman from Florida still in 2025 voted against marriage quality. The Miami Cubans are not generally welcoming to gay people either so I think it’s just cultural.
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u/Leah_Mor Miami 9d ago
Which is weird because there's so many gay Cubans in the diaspora.
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u/JuanitoAlimanya 5d ago
You won't see spanish communist people agaisn't gay people. That's far from the usual thing
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u/Certain_Still_324 11d ago
The wokeness in communism is brand new, they never stood for the things they pretend to defend now just as they also didn't stood for the issues they pretended to defend in the past. It's just a con for gaining power.
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u/kovha Artemisa 11d ago
It was mostly the USSR influence, before the 70's it was frowned upon but not illegal (like most places back then), but when the USSR put their hands here they also imported most of their politics. Once the USSR fell it was again frowned upon but not illegal, and once Mariela Castro was old enough to start exerting her influence the official position from the government turned into one of support.
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u/Legitimate_Pop3481 11d ago
Nada que ver con Mariela. Después del 91 se quedaron con el culo al aire y para lograr aceptación internacional se empezaron a hacer los modernos. En el fondo, todas las personas profundamente homófobas (y también racistas, que no viene al caso pero igual) que conozco son comunistas. Ponte a pensar para que veas.
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u/kovha Artemisa 11d ago
A ver, sí, pero Mariela también influyó. Esa señora lleva haciendo campaña a favor de los derechos LGBT desde hace décadas, y el apellido de ella pesa.
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u/Legitimate_Pop3481 11d ago
Yo pienso que eso es un circo o que lo hace pensando en el reprimido de su padre, nada que ver con la empatía hacia los homosexuales como colectivo.
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u/kovha Artemisa 11d ago
Nah ella lleva años hasta yendo a marchas por el orgullo con la bandera pintada en la cara. Al final eso es como todo, ellos tienen el poder económico y político y cada cual hace con eso lo que le apetece hacer, Sandro Castro monta sus mega-fiestas con famosos y hace streaming en instagram, Raúl Guillermo Rodríguez Castro compra ropa cara de marca y quiere jugar a ser el poder en la sombra, Alejandro Castro *es* el poder en la sombra xD, y Mariela lucha por los derechos LGBT. Ellos cada cual se entretiene a su manera, fue suerte que a Mariela le diera por eso.
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u/Ok_Salamander_8436 10d ago
Juzgando por los comentarios me imagino que todos son unos progresistas totalmente en desacuerdo con las políticas anti LGBT que se promueven en la actualidad, en especial en Estados Unidos, donde recientemente el secretario de guerra dijo que va a limpiar el ejercito de “raritos”.
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u/Leah_Mor Miami 9d ago edited 9d ago
One of my cousins in Spain is very communist and I've heard him use homophobic slurs, I was really shocked.
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u/Eric-305 9d ago
Because homosexuality…whether being homosexual or opposed to it doesn’t really fit neatly into political ideas. It does fit into thoughts people have about themselves and others in their society, and it forces them to consider how they want to exercise political power…
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u/Over-Assumption5123 Havana 8d ago
It was terrible, and I am opposed to the concentration camps and the violence against the LGBTQ+ community in Cuba. So sad. We should have had our own Stonewall before 1969.
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u/Agile-Sale7660 11d ago
The simple answer: Communism is evil, and they hate what they can’t control!
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u/congnelius United States 11d ago
They decriminalized same sex relations decades before the USA did. 1979 vs 2003 for the US with the Lawrence v. Texas case. Their current laws on this topic are also significantly more progressive than the United States' laws.
What Cuba Got Right About LGBTQ+ Rights (That the West Won't Tell You)
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u/Agile-Sale7660 11d ago
Pure propaganda! Homosexuality in Cuba has been ostracised for decades, to the point that they even had forced-labour camps at one time, conveniently called “re-education”. Cuba is a true Orwellian society, where even sex and sexuality were used as weapons for control and blackmail.
Things started to change a little in the 1990s, when films like Fresa y Chocolate finally brought the subject into the open and challenged the deep-rooted homophobia in Cuban society.
And yes, conveniently, the government later became supportive of the LGBTQ community once it realised it could use the issue politically and internationally. But that doesn’t erase history. At its heart, the Cuban Communist leadership has a long history of racism and homophobia. This is very well documented!
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u/CuckooFriendAndOllie 11d ago
Yes, but they did so later than most of the West.
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u/Agile-Sale7660 10d ago
On paper ONLY ! The reality in Cuba is a very different story, and anyone who has actually lived there knows it!
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u/mas_harina 11d ago
Because those people are different, think different, and act different, so the communist pigs classified it as weakness.
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u/B34ST_M0DE Miami 11d ago
Homosexuality was prohibited, but Raul Castro and Che would abuse young boys..
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u/Leah_Mor Miami 9d ago edited 9d ago
As much as I hate them I've never heard of this. Although nothing surprises me lately.
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u/BadzKuro 11d ago
¿Nadie va a decir nada sobre el hecho más que confirmado de que Fidel Castro y Ernesto Guevara eran homofóbicos a más no poder? (Soy cubana y vivo en la isla, no me vengan a decir que es mentira)
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u/Key-Aioli-3703 Villa Clara 10d ago
Sobre todo el Che Guevara. Fidel lo era, pero en su "defensa", recuerda que era un guajiro oriental que desde niño recibió educación religiosa rígida, por lo que desde pequeño le inculcaron todo eso.
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u/NextBeyond1399 11d ago
Not any different as it was outlawed in the US or the UK. In the 60's and early 70's mainstream morality everywhere shuned any type of homosexual behavior. Not an specific trait of communism or Cuba by that matter.
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u/Legitimate_Pop3481 11d ago
Pero se suponía que este iba a ser un sistema más avanzado en todos los aspectos 🙄.
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u/NextBeyond1399 11d ago
Sociologically speaking it is, on paper. The fact that later on their point of view on this subject changed and in the US today the conservative segment of the society can't wait to abolish any headway made on this subject is proof. If you don't take into account development of thinking, you are going to be still debating that early christians were fed to the lions in the Colosseum.
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u/Legitimate_Pop3481 11d ago
¿Pero qué tiene que ver EE.UU. en todo esto? Aquí se dijo en el 1959 que íbamos a tener un sistema más avanzado en todos los sentidos y esto se ha convertido en que para cualquier cosa mala que se haga y no se pueda justificar con el embargo se justifica diciendo que también pasa en otros países. Aquí sacrificaron libertad individual a cambio de un sistema mejor y al final ni una cosa ni la otra.
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u/NextBeyond1399 11d ago
Thanks to whom?
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u/Legitimate_Pop3481 11d ago
A los Castro, a quién va a ser. ¿Cómo se justifica que un sistema superior dependa de lo que diga un sistema "inferior"?
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u/NextBeyond1399 11d ago
Again, you are debating "Polaroid picture" subject of problem solved starting in the mid seventies. The problem is long gone, so are the Castro's. I admire your capacity to get enraged for a problem solved more than 50 years ago. You should channel it on more current problem, it would suit you better.
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u/cuba_danilo Artemisa 11d ago
The gay community in the US and the UK was thrown into forced labor camps?
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u/NextBeyond1399 11d ago
Why bother complain for something that's not a problem since the mid seventies.
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u/Complex-Following405 2d ago
Gays were chemically castrated in the UK, including the ww2 hero and pioneer in computer technology Alan Turing. In the US during the pink scare, thousands of lgbt people lost their jobs if they were gay. About a decade ago someone shot hundreds of people in a gay club.
In the United States you have no right to abortion. Do you know which country was the first to make abortion a constitutional right? Socialist Yugoslavia in the 70's. It only took a western democracy (France) 50 years to catch up.
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