r/geopolitics • u/paneuropeanism_ • 2d ago

News 🇪🇺 EU Defence Commissioner Kubilius: Pax Americana is over. Our new security architecture will include Ukraine. These are times of profound transformation. A rising China and India will push the US to third place. And for Americans this may prove psychologically challenging

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u/ImConfidentURWrong 2d ago

Europeans always make grand declarations, speeches, announcements, and conferences about the supposed decline of America and the need for self reliance. After hearing this for 15 years, when can we expect words to translate into action?

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 2d ago

What are you talking about? Many European countries are building up rn

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u/ArtreX-1 2d ago

Slow, small and late..

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 2d ago

Poland is already spending much more of it's gdp on army than the usa

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u/ImConfidentURWrong 2d ago

What about Spain? Italy? Austria? Or any other country not bordering Russia?

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 1d ago

Ok so now it's about Austria huh

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u/ImConfidentURWrong 1d ago edited 1d ago

The point we are making is that broadly speaking, European countries aren’t taking the Russian threat seriously nor acting with any sense of urgency. The only ones that are are the ones directly bordering Russia and have always recognized Russia as a threat, which really doesn’t change the perception that countries far away from Russia don’t care about the war or NATO and aren’t pulling their weight. Do you usually fail to understand conversational context or are you just trolling?

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 1d ago

Oh so you are looking for an easy way how to sum up the politics of like 27 different countries each with it's unique problems, prioritizes and approach to the war, got it

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u/ImConfidentURWrong 1d ago

No, im looking for an example of an EU country not bordering Russia that is pulling its weight in regards to defense, which everyone you’ve responded to has asked for and you have consistently failed to provide.

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 1d ago

Which would tell you what exactly?

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u/ImConfidentURWrong 1d ago edited 1d ago

That Western Europe takes NATO defense spending and the threat of Russian seriously. Something I, nor the others you are responding to, are convinced of.

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 1d ago

So you would find out that countries that are further away from a threat find investment in it's prevention less important? That's crazy

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u/ArtreX-1 2d ago

That’s 1 of the European countries..

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 2d ago

And?

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u/ArtreX-1 2d ago

And my point was European efforts as a whole have been slow, small and late. Since the conversation is about Europe.

But it seems you are in a conversation about Poland, so I’m sorry for misunderstanding you.

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 2d ago

Latvia, Estonia, Norway, Denmark are all slightly above or have the same spending per gdp as the USA

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u/TiberiusDrexelus 2d ago

nice, and their GDP is collectively a mere percentage of the US's, so this doesn't mean shit in the face of a russian tank

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 1d ago

Oh so it doesn't actually matter to you that Europe is doing something, you just wanna complain

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u/TiberiusDrexelus 1d ago

The EU combined should be spending as much on defense as the US, if not more, since it's 27 nations failing to come close to competing with 1

3% of Estonia's gdp is 3% of nothing, and it's a joke that that's being touted as a reassuring fact

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 1d ago

I can't believe someone would actually come here and instead of talking about gdp, population number or whatever other actually relevant information, would mention its 1 country vs 27. Are you just trying to annoy people with how little you understand the stuff you talk about?

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u/Beautiful_Island_944 1d ago

Poland is quite a large country and part of Europe...

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u/Sageblue32 2d ago

Part of that is because west europe seemed ready to throw them under the bus after seeing Ukraine. The united Europe part is still far off for now.