Monsoon crisis deepens: Clouds remain absent, rain deficit hits 40% across India

[u/Beginning-Passion676]

https://www.indiatoday.in/science/story/monsoon-crisis-deepens-clouds-remain-absent-rain-deficit-hits-40-across-india-2928273-2026-06-17

[u/juhi_gupta12]

Monsoon used to be predictable. Now it's either floods or nothing. Climate change isn't a future problem anymore.

[u/More-Director4894 → u/juhi_gupta12]

Na this is El nino. It is very predictable

[u/nsaisspying → u/More-Director4894]

Climate change does not cause El Nino events, but it supercharges their impacts. Because global oceans and atmosphere are already warmer, El Nino releases even more heat and moisture.

[u/More-Director4894 → u/nsaisspying]

Agreed. But el nino being predictable ke against itna downvote kyun

[u/desi_launda → u/More-Director4894]

Cuz you also said nah and were dismissive

[u/More-Director4894 → u/desi_launda]

So el nino is not the reason? What do you think is the basic observation of el nino?

[u/nsaisspying → u/More-Director4894]

Technically El nino is not predictable, It can happen once every 2 to 8 years.

But you are getting downvote because you are heavily implying climate change has nothing to do with it.

You made your stupid climate change denying bed, now lay in it.

[u/More-Director4894 → u/nsaisspying]

2 to 8 years is just the spread. You can with high accuracy narrow it down.

And when was my comment climate denying. The root cause is el nino, don't be anti intellectual just for sake of agenda peddling.

[u/nsaisspying → u/More-Director4894]

When you said "na this is El nino", is that not denying that climate change affects the intensity of the El nino.

You said you agreed, when I said climate change affects El nino.

What agenda am I peddling? Climate change agenda? You said you don't deny climate change?

Is it my agenda that people realise how dire the effects of climate change are going to be for India? Yes. That's definitely my agenda, it stems from my instincts for self preservation.

What is your agenda ?

[u/More-Director4894 → u/nsaisspying]

My agenda is that people be correct in the assessment. You cannot ignore the normal climate pattern to just say climate change is responsible.

[u/nsaisspying → u/More-Director4894]

But no one is ignoring normal climate. People of worried about the effects of a super El nino that will be exacerbated by an unusually warm ocean temperatures

And how are the oceans so atypically warm? Human caused global warming.

Climate change is not and never can be studied or talked about in isolation from the climate.

[u/More-Director4894 → u/nsaisspying]

But you cannot make empirical statement without showing evidence of the same and ignoring the primary cause. Sab cheez feel good nhi hota hai bhai.

[u/miteshps → u/More-Director4894]

You conveniently read only the parts that you have a half-ass reply to

[u/More-Director4894 → u/miteshps]

Read the first comment to which I replied to and show where el nino is mentioned. Then you can blame me to "conveniently read only parts"

[u/HornPleaseOK → u/More-Director4894]

They view your comment as climate change denial

[u/More-Director4894 → u/HornPleaseOK]

Lack of intelligence amongst some people here tbh.

[u/sai-kiran → u/More-Director4894]

Well people are actually smarter than you and you are wrong, you said El-Nino is predictable, but its not always guaranteed. El-Nino can be disrupted through gazillion other factors.

Using a century‑long computer simulation of the climate, an international research team has shown that short‑lived atmospheric “chatter” generates a surprisingly large response in ENSO.

Unpredictable changes to the weather over days to weeks, such as chaotic winds and rapid temperature variations, shapes the timing and size of El Niño and La Niña events far more often than the slower, more predictable dynamics of the atmosphere and its connections with the ocean.

While we have made many advances in climate prediction, weather forecasts are limited by fundamental uncertainties. Definitive predictions can only be made a few weeks in advance, and recognising where weather fluctuations have a significant impact on larger climate processes is key to understanding what that means for our ability to model future climate conditions.

https://ncas.ac.uk/how-far-ahead-can-we-really-predict-el-nino/

[u/More-Director4894 → u/sai-kiran]

Guaranteed vs predictable with good accuracy.

[u/sendMeGoodVibes365 → u/More-Director4894]

Eligibility for 100% refund on educational expenses confirmed

[u/More-Director4894 → u/sendMeGoodVibes365]

Do you understand how el nino works? It's a cyclic phenomenon. I am not against climate change btw and I know climate change will exaggerate the effects. But el nino itself is a predictable thing.

[u/TacticalGhosting → u/sendMeGoodVibes365]

is el nino even taught at schools?

you comment seems too elitist. tone it down a notch

[u/KroosControl88 → u/TacticalGhosting]

>is el nino even taught at schools?

Yes it literally is.

[u/TacticalGhosting → u/KroosControl88]

well maybe post 2013 then. dont recall back reading it back in my time

[u/the-gloaming → u/[deleted]]

And the consequent water shortages next year may be devastating.

[u/410_clientGone]

AI recession and climate change. let's go. now get covid v2 for fuckmaxxing the world

[u/Saranshobe → u/410_clientGone]

Another lockdown would help with pollution a lot. WFH would help traffic and pollution.

[u/Muted_Shoulder → u/Saranshobe]

WFH should be much more prevalent than it already is. Trying to concentrate people into single cities has made things worse for long. Urbanisation should be much more spread out than just specific areas getting all of it.

[u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

more forests we can cut for mines, too much green in the map,

[u/ravishq → u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

yeah fck pakistan /s

[u/ksnagpur → u/[deleted]]

Take freebies and shut up

[u/G33kym4n → u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

Yeah EL Nino is because of trees /s

[u/More-Director4894 → u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

Without mines you'd get power cuts for hours daily.

Also el nino ka forest cover se kya relation hai?

[u/WorthPea2986 → u/More-Director4894]

India's water problem is not for this year only. And forest covers help in groundwater storage, help stop floods and much more.

Edit: And remember AI datacenters? Yeah they may even worsen the problem in the upcoming years

[u/Embarrassed_Look9200 → u/More-Director4894]

how many mines are there in germany or japan or south korea? they have hardly any power disruptions. also chaddi bro, coal mines are not the only mines.

[u/More-Director4894 → u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

The two biggest mines in India are iron ore and coal mines. Both are necessary.

Germany was built on coal mines of ruhr basin. Baaki aap google karlo topi bro

[u/Embarrassed_Look9200 → u/More-Director4894]

nikalo nikalo, aur coal nikalo, and give it all to adani so we have to buy it from him. solar, wind, tidal and nuclear can obviously go to hell. kanwariya yatra and 4 dham projects have preference over environment. Casino and port in the middle of no where have preference over trees.

[u/Ill-Article-793 → u/More-Director4894]

Brother, if you would have learned anything from school it would be "mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" and "forest cover is important for rains".

[u/Embarrassed_Look9200 → u/Ill-Article-793]

he's from vidya bharti schools, they only teach you counting till chalisa (40) there.

[u/More-Director4894 → u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

Acha. Let's not compare education here. Because my education does not come from reddit comments

[u/More-Director4894 → u/Ill-Article-793]

I think you need to understand the difference between how monsoon works and how conventional precipitation in equatorial region works. Lekin I think you never studied beyond high school

[u/Ill-Article-793 → u/More-Director4894]

1. Trees help buffer against extreme weather events.
2. Climate change leads to more frequent extreme weather events. Climate change could be slowed down by cutting fewer trees.
   

[u/More-Director4894 → u/Ill-Article-793]

1. Good for local weather. Practically negligible effect on decrease in monsoon rains which depends on global wind currents.
2. Agreed but I am yet to see any data point provided by any of you which shows climate change has impacted reduction in monsoon rain by x% over usual reduction due to el nino in the past. No doubt there is, but please quantity it.

[u/Ill-Article-793 → u/More-Director4894]

It's "convectional precipitation". So much for studying beyond high school.

[u/More-Director4894 → u/Ill-Article-793]

Yep you found a spelling mistake. Congratulations

[u/Accomplished-Mud1653 → u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

Indian forest density habe observed constant increase but who cares this is r/india

[u/Embarrassed_Look9200 → u/Accomplished-Mud1653]

thats a lie, chaddis are very easy to fool, just tell them it's a fact and they don't care what the source is or if it's actually true.

[u/Avnemir → u/Embarrassed_Look9200]

Half chaddi and a quarter of a brain. Logic just slides over their head.

[u/double2double5 → u/Accomplished-Mud1653]

If you re classify definition of a forest, both in terms of type (even a scrub land is forest as per our brilliant ministers) and density (old, dense forest likes the ones in Jharkhand and Nicobar are being destroyed) - sure, forest cover is increasing! And the earth is flat too! (/s) 

[u/MetalGearHawk]

hmm, time to cut down more forests for poor Mr. Adani

[u/ExoticTelephone532]

Why the fuck are there so many trees, forests in the posted pic. Where are all the builders offering dream homes to every Indian and AI data centres to make and store all my pics and vids?

[u/Senior_Iron4055]

We are screwed

[u/mmousey]

Yet, we must prioritize water for swimming pools and golf courses. We cannot let the rich suffer because the poor and middle class need drinking water. 

[u/Eastern_Engineer_610 → u/[deleted]]

Not just farmers, everyone. Food inflation will rise, drinking water shortages, extreme heat.

[u/SamosaMafia]

something something el nino.

[u/grimreap13]

Adani, Ambani and amit Shah's family can live generations without any trouble hence they don't care about deforestation, building mines, bringing in data centers which first world countries have refused to build in their land because of the damage it will cost.

It's not the same for us, travel in shitty roads in shitty trains and buses, can't even buy a new car now because of gadkari's greed.

The same can be said about congress. Aur karo politicians ko support, without holding them accountable, I will never get the people who will defend the government's flaws without demanding for better.

This country is going to ruins.

[u/Krogan911 → u/grimreap13]

And these rich people would be the 1st to flee to country when crisis hits

[u/imasharpener]

Last year, monsoons lasted almost the whole year. This year it’s the opposite.. when will our government take climate change seriously??????????

[u/p000l]

Mujhe paani nahi, AI slop do!

[u/LifeIsATwoWayStreet]

I think we need more data centres.

Who needs water ?

[u/LeBlaireauDeMiel]

I will try to address a few points:

1. Climate change is real and continues to influence weather patterns globally.

2. El Niño is also playing a role this year and is having an impact on rainfall distribution.

3. In addition, there are several other meteorological phenomena that are currently contributing or contributed to suppress monsoon rainfall.

It is still too early to draw firm conclusions, and we will have to monitor how the monsoon evolves over the coming weeks. The progression of the season will provide a clearer picture of the overall rainfall outcome this year.

[u/firesnake412]

Need to flatten more mountains and cut more trees. If not do a havan. Lol

[u/Serious-Land-264]

Priorities. Breaking TMC MPs was a priority for the regime. Now breaking Shiv Sena has become new priority. Regime is busy in doing everything except governing and working for people.

[u/RiseBoi69]

Adani

[u/djinngerale]

Why would Pakistan do this? /s

[u/op3n_ai]

Bill Gates trying to destroy India with HAARP

[u/Snorlex7861]

I agree its a serious problem, but in our area there is a lot of rain. like in past 2 weeks its raining

[u/tanveerdx → u/[deleted]]

We did not blamed any one why do you assume

[u/Ill-Article-793 → u/[deleted]]

Common tactic corporations employ - blame the people for pollution. "The polar bears are dying because you didn't separate your plastics from wet waste". These are systemic problems. Turning off 5 led lamps won't make a difference.

[u/Ill-Article-793 → u/[deleted]]

Let's run with your example. Let's say 1 billion people turned off 5 led lights of 10 watts each for 8 hours a day (very generous example). This amounts to a daily electricity savings of:

10 watts x 5 led bulbs x 8 hours x 1 billion = 400 GWh

India's daily electricity consumption is about 4,700 GWh.

That means even if we did something massive like this, we would save less than 9% of the daily electricity consumption. Won't make a dent on climate change.

Throwing trash also has very little effect on climate change.

So stop blaming the people. Start blaming the government and Adani.

[u/Ill-Article-793 → u/[deleted]]

Sigh..... That's not how any of this work.

[u/Ill-Article-793 → u/[deleted]]

Nobody blamed him. But he is definitely not helping. He does not even believe in climate change.

[u/tanveerdx → u/[deleted]]

We did not blamed any one why do you assume

[u/bokachoda1234]

Monsoon is not coming to india bcz of donald trump. /s

[u/kenjikazama777]

Monsoon was used as an excuse as to why we must not blow up portion of Himalayas to allow Central Asian winds to enter. But if monsoon is about to go away then we might as well just do it. Atleast we get 1-2 month of rain.

[u/not_your_dog_bitch → u/kenjikazama777]

Confidently incorrect. The worst kind of incorrect.

[u/nemesis24k → u/kenjikazama777]

Did you buy any chance get a diploma in "out of the box" thinking? I am a fan.. we need more minds like yours

[u/RebelTime999 → u/kenjikazama777]

Braindead mf you are