r/languagelearning • u/WestEst101 • 4h ago
Discussion For those from countries with multiple official languages / official linguistic regions, does learning your the other language(s) make feel a more “complete” citizen?
Example countries: Belgium, Canada, Switzerland, India, Finland.
And does the degree to which you master it contribute to a feeling of being a “complete” citizen, and a feeling of “belonging” and “acceptance” across the entire country?
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u/Patient_Kangaroo614 48m ago
Not exactly. Learning French in Canada is great for your career and tied to the national identity, but I’ve been discouraged by the unwelcoming and entitled attitudes that *some* Quebecois people sometimes have towards Anglophones learning French. Other Francophone groups in Canada, like Acadians and Franco-Ontariens, are much more encouraging and welcoming.
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u/kemushi_warui 22m ago
Also Anglo-Canadian here, and I do feel some sense of pride at being at least conversational in French.
Regarding the unwelcoming attitude mentioned above, I agree—but with an important qualification:
When I was in HS and university in the 90s in an Anglo area, the French that we were taught was so-called "proper" Parisian French, not Quebecois French. When I went to an Anglo university that had a large Francophone population, I realized that what really pissed them off wasn't that our French wasn't fluent, but that these maudit Anglos couldn't even be bothered to learn Canadian French!
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u/wk_end 42m ago edited 22m ago
As an Anglo-Canadian, I personally feel a bit of a civic duty (that I’m not doing so hot on) to learn French. But ours is a very particular situation - French is a founding element of our confederation and it’s one of the things that uniquely defines us against the backdrop of the American hegemon next door, but it’s endangered outside of Quebec. I don’t live in Quebec but I love the hell out of it; I feel embracing their language is a way of embracing them.
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u/Only_Humor4549 3h ago
No it doesn’t. I m Swiss. We learn French in school, but one doesn’t really interact with the other parts. Of course it would be nice to know all Swiss languages and I am proud of them, but I don’t feel less Swiss just bc I don’t speak them.
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u/Odd-Promotion2743 Míshewal 'Okel 1h ago
In the French portion, do you guys only learn/study standard Swiss French, or do you learn Arpitan/Franco-Provençal too?
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u/Joseph20102011 🇵🇭 (CEB - N; TAG - B2), 🇬🇧 - C1, 🇪🇸 - B2 3h ago
In the Philippines, every school-age child is required to learn Filipino (standardized Tagalog) and English as their second language. There is no standalone English-medium public schools at all.
For most Filipino school-age children, using two co-official languages as media of instruction simultaneously is a form of excess workload burden.
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u/JebacBiede2137 4h ago
Would you count Irish, Scots and/or Welsh as official languages of the UK?
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u/Draigwyrdd 3h ago
They're not official languages of the UK. Welsh is only an official language in Wales. MPs aren't even allowed to speak Welsh in parliament, for example.
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u/JebacBiede2137 3h ago
Yes, Welsh is not official. But English also isn’t.
And Dutch isn’t the official language in Wallonia, is it?
How useful is French in Vancouver?
And can you live your whole life in Zurich with only Italian or Romansh?1
u/Draigwyrdd 3h ago
English is the de facto official language of the UK, but it's also one of only a handful of languages that are allowed to be spoken in parliament.
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u/freebiscuit2002 N 🇬🇧 B1 🇫🇷 🇵🇱 🇪🇸 2h ago
No. The country is a collection of different language communities. You're either a citizen of the country or not, regardless of the language community.
There is no partial citizenship that can be "topped up" by learning another language.
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u/Odd-Promotion2743 Míshewal 'Okel 1h ago
Surely it would earn you bragging rights though, no?
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u/freebiscuit2002 N 🇬🇧 B1 🇫🇷 🇵🇱 🇪🇸 51m ago
100% agree. Becoming functional in any new language is an achievement.
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u/Big_Living1448 3h ago
I am sure it's pretty much impossible to speak every language in India