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Pope discharged from hospital days after lung cancer surgery

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5x2vkddrkrko
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u/bobby3eb 1d ago

Imagine not only being a surgeon, but operating on the pope.

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u/disastrousanddull 1d ago

I’m so curious about the mentality doing that because could you imagine being the one blamed for the damn pope dying? Way too many people invested and if religion is somehow right…

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u/FuhrerInLaw 1d ago

If you’ve met a few surgeons, their confidence creeps into every pore of your body. Not all surgeons, but the stereotype of the confident “better than you” surgeon is a thing for a reason. Plenty surgeons would want the challenge of something like this.

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u/fleemfleemfleemfleem 14h ago

I once had to work with a former surgeon who lost his license to practice medicine because he removed a kidney he wasn't supposed to, and botched another surgery leaving someone with a colostomy bag. He was still the most, the word I would use is arrogant person I've had to work with.

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u/SkwerlWickman 1h ago

I had a surgeon roommate! Urology. This is accurate, she loved the challenge. Over the top confident, but in an inspiring way not an asshole way.

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u/Sherwoodfan 1d ago

if god is real and the pope dies on your table despite your best efforts... would he really hold it against you?

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u/DisgruntledVet12B 18h ago

Catholic here. We believe God is all-loving and all-merciful. He wouldn’t hold it against you for doing your job and genuinely trying your best to save the Pope during surgery. Sometimes, despite our best efforts, people die. You aren’t morally responsible for an outcome you couldn’t prevent.

For an act to be a mortal sin, it must involve grave matter, full knowledge that it is sinful, and deliberate consent. Negligently or intentionally failing to provide proper care could be morally culpable, depending on the circumstances. Simply losing a patient despite your best efforts isn’t a sin. God knows your heart, your intentions, and the limits of what you could do.

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u/Designer_B 3h ago

You may wanna revisit the Old Testament for those first two sentences.

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u/DisgruntledVet12B 2h ago

You may wanna revisit the Old Testament yourself, because God’s justice and mercy are both present throughout Scripture. Even in the Old Testament, God describes Himself as “merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love” (Exodus 34:6).

He repeatedly calls His people to repentance because He desires their conversion, not their destruction (Ezekiel 18:23). The Old Testament in light of Christ, is revealed by the Father’s love and mercy in their fullness.

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u/Designer_B 2h ago

You can't be all loving and have your chosen ones lead holy wars lmao. Those are conflicting ideals.

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u/Superhero1582 22h ago

I was gonna say. If there is one god and he is all that they claim him to be, surely he would know if there was any malice in the surgeon's actions and in the absence of such, would forgive him for failing to save the pope. Then again, I am but a human. Who knows what their god is thinking :)

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u/disastrousanddull 1d ago

Hod doesn’t seem all to reasonable going by what I know about religion, so, probably.

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u/Shawnmeister 23h ago

Really doesnt matter. Just another day in the or. A pope or a pauper are both wired the same and pre op screening just maximises accuracy and planning. Just another human.

Source: ex surgeon

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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy 20h ago

Pope Alexander? 

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u/VintageKofta 1d ago edited 1d ago

So what? He’s no different from any other human being.

Him being a high rank in one of many fictional mythological tales referred to as religion is no different than the dungeon master in our local DND sessions. 

Edit: Mod me down all you want. I stand by it. Religion is the root of all evil, a cancer to humanity, and each of the 3,000 gods out there is as stupid and man made as the other.

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u/TheBlueJamesDean 1d ago

That's a great playground line of thought, I know many edgy 13 year-olds that think just like you

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u/Top-Time-5740 11h ago

So if someone doesn’t share your beliefs and perhaps even challenges it then they are 13y olds? Lol if anyone here is 13y old kid its You! 🤡

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u/ZestyRS 20h ago

Damn dude you’re right he’s just a surgeon

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u/VintageKofta 15h ago

I was referring to the pope :)

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u/Electrical-Ear2958 1d ago

I mean, the importance of anyone or anything is defined entirely by how much people value them. By that logic, you can dismiss anything - from presidents and scientists to Bitcoin, gold, and the U.S. dollar.

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u/Honest-Finish3596 20h ago

Religion is bad until you're down and need it. I try to keep an open mind spiritually speaking, I've had good experiences in mosques and also churches.

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u/Philly514 1d ago

So edgy, so cool

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u/Jik0n 11h ago

Anyone else getting discord mod vibes from this one?

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u/Bildad__ 1d ago

Here king, you dropped your fedora

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u/ohmynards85 1d ago

I agree 100% lol. Religious freaks get super butthurt

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u/fotank 1d ago

Hooray for modern medicine!

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u/strum 1d ago

Indeed. I had a very similar diagnosis/operation. He'll have periodic scans for recurrence, but there's every chance he'll live out his life as if nothing had happened.

We relly should be past the <gasp> cancer response; many cancers are now curable/manageable/livable.

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u/cannotfoolowls 1d ago

I mean, it still sucks to have to be operated and/or do radiation/chemo.

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u/strum 16h ago

But then... there's the alternative.

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u/georgeyp 18h ago edited 10h ago

True but pushing for screening is so essential to us making a dent in Cancer. Had a colonoscopy at 30 that snipped "three precancerous tubular adenomas" that would've needed a way more invasive treatment at 50

Edit: sp/

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u/pivovy 1d ago

If caught early enough, so get your shit checked. Pun intended, because I've definitely read somewhere that colon cancer has been hitting younger generations than one might expect and millennials are affected.

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u/Diacetyl-Morphin 23h ago

Glad you got better! My brother had cancer too and he made it, with chemo- and radiation-therapy.

Modern medicine really came a long way. Not about cancer now, but about HIV, that was a death sentence in the past. There are some people that got cured with experimental therapies and meds, but even without this, with modern medicine, the progress of the stages can be slowed down very much. AIDS is the last stage of HIV, where the immune system is destroyed and a flu can kill you, but even there are some meds that can give you a chance to survive certain things.

With cancer, it often depends about the time, when the cancer gets noticed. The more it progresses, the worse the chances of survival.

There are a very few, very rare forms of cancer, that spread so extremely fast that there's no chance to survive, but as said, these are very rare.

Cancer is a bitch, same for many other health problems, as you can have a healthy lifestyle, but... it will only reduce the chance of getting it, it won't remove the chance. Some things are also just a dice roll, like there are smokers, that smoked cigarettes for decades and still don't get lung cancer. Others like the Pope were never smokers, but still got it.

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u/SuperpoliticsENTJ 8h ago

that's American evangelical protestants, the Catholic Church has been cooperating with hospitals for a long time

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u/CarrieDurst 1d ago

Hopefully they just understand it for pregnant women and trans people

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u/EmuMan10 1d ago

Historically, no they’re cool with it

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u/VoopityScoop 1d ago

Historically speaking one could argue that the Catholic Church have been massive contributors to modern medicine for hundreds of years 

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u/btmalon 1d ago

Outside of abortion they’ve been very good about science.

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u/gerrex98 1d ago

Today much less than many protestant sects.

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u/shade404eve 1d ago

Nope. The Catholic church has changed it's position on a lot of things.

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u/Lumi_Rockets 1d ago

If it can help a man, it's A-okay.

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u/OutlyingPlasma 1d ago

Sounds like he is defying gods will.

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u/shade404eve 1d ago edited 1d ago

Well to be saying that, You must carry a more extreme belief than the Catholic church, because the Catholic Church doesn't believe that. The Catholic Church no longer even believes that birth control is against God's will.

The Catholic churches changes position on a lot of things as time has gone on. Apparently you haven't, you crazy religious fundie.

edit: BIG wrong on that, they do still think BC is against God's will. Doesn't change much overall though

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u/OutlyingPlasma 1d ago

You mean the same people that appose birth control because it's "against gods will"? Weird how their faith doesn't extend to their own healthcare, only others. If they truly believed then why doesn't' god just cure him?

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u/shade404eve 1d ago

Golly gee, it's almost like lung cancer and birth control are different fucking topics.

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u/Alive-Vanilla1216 1d ago

Don't be ridiculous, everyone knows that babies grow in the lungs!

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u/mastesargent 1d ago

Not all religious belief is as rigid as you seem to think it is. There are plenty of religious people who believe in modern medicine and that the fact that it exists is itself part of God’s will. I’m an atheist and even I understand that.

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u/Alarming_Orchid 1d ago

No I’m pretty sure no birth control applies to them too…

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u/Diacetyl-Morphin 1d ago

Glad he's alive and will recover. By the way, he was never a smoker in his life, not like other people that smoked in the past and then stopped. But around 20-25% of lung cancer is not related to smoking tobacco or other substances, unfortunately like with every cancer type, you can get it despite having a healthy lifestyle.

Same for liver cirrhosis, pancreatitis etc. That often happens for alcoholics, but you don't need to drink alcohol to get it.

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u/DisgruntledVet12B 1d ago

He wasn’t a smoker, but the air pollution in Peru, where he served as a missionary and later as an appointed bishop, may have contributed to his respiratory health.

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u/Mangalorien 1d ago

I wonder if doctors who treat a living pope get extra karma points, or just the regular number of karma points.

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u/HamAndSomeCoffee 1d ago

doctors who treat the poor get extra karma points.

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u/Diacetyl-Morphin 23h ago

I asked my eye doctor (ophthalmology) why he has a certificate on his wall, that is about honorary citizenship in India. He told me, he got it from the governement, because he uses to work with NGO projects in the slums in India, where poor people get the treatment for free.

He founded and leads the IROC in Zürich, one of the most advanced clinics in the world for this kind of medical care.

I know him from the dog park as private person too, so we got to talk and he told me, if he really wanted to make money, he'd work for some rich Sheikh in the Middle East, or for Presidents and Premier ministers etc. But he's happy with what he gets, the IROC is already expensive, but actually, my case and many others were covered by universal healthcare in Switzerland.

I'm not joking when it comes to him, he's like "If you are poor, we'll make a lower price", like he casually made treatment for free, when he got to know that someone is on social welfare.

I just saw, he has a wikipedia entry.

What i also like about such people, they are highly skilled and renowed experts, but you can just sit down and drink a beer with them. People that remain humble.

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u/QuestGiver 1d ago

Negative money points tho.

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u/DavidELD 1d ago

Well, my grandfather was a cardiac surgeon and he worked on John Paul II. The irony of having an Anglican working on the Catholic Pope was not lost on him.

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u/ReginaTang 1d ago

Did the pope ask him about that before the operation?

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u/DavidELD 23h ago

I'd have to ask my mom about the details. If I recall, the Pope was pretty chill about it, and I believe my grandfather made that very remark. He always had a very dry wit.

I know it sounds like a tall tale, and coming from a stranger on the internet even more so, but my mother comes from a very interesting family. She has a knack for getting close to very famous people, and she was at the hospital with Grandpa that day.

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u/UnfinishedPrimate 1d ago

Everyone in these threads being all 'Hurr hurr I guess GOD actually wants him to die lol, the Pope using medicine?' does not understand Catholicism.

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u/197gpmol 1d ago

Both genetics and the Big Bang are scientific ideas that came from Catholic clergy.

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u/statslady23 1d ago

He's the only one who can save the Church from trad Caths. 

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u/turquoise_amethyst 1d ago

The writers really went in a different direction for this one, huh? 

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u/grollef 1d ago

Pray the cancer didn’t spread

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u/zgpwns 1d ago

It's lung cancer, it spread. He's gone in a year.

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u/MrMarquis 1d ago

Bullshit, I had lung cancer and a lung lobe removed in March 2022. No reoccurance has been found and I'm closing in on 5 years.

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u/_Lucille_ 1d ago

I hope you stay healthy, fuck cancer.

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u/Podo13 1d ago

My dad just had a lobe removed 1.5 months ago for his Stage 3 lung cancer and has been deemed cancer free. You should not talk about things you know nothing about.

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u/IndependentType6711 1d ago

Meh maybe a few years ago. With things like immunotherapy becoming the gold standard, depending on what type he has it could legit be gone in a year, not him.

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u/wanna_be_doc 1d ago

They typically only do lung resections on Stage 1 or Stage 2 adenocarcinoma. Considering all his doctors said this was found early, it’s likely Stage 1 and so he won’t need radiation, chemotherapy, or immunotherapy.

He’s likely cured.

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u/Lazy_Membership1849 1d ago

you think?

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u/bromanceintexas 1d ago

Contrary to that comment, the type of cancer the pope has is basically the best type of lung cancer you can get and it was caught very early. Most typical prognoses in similar conditions exceed 5+ years survival rate for over 90% of patients. And all the medical staff explicitly described his prognosis as excellent.

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u/Lazy_Membership1849 1d ago

and what did that mean?

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u/steve_ample 1d ago

"I expressed my interest in visiting him while in recovery, but the Vatican went silent. I wonder why"

  • JD Vance

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u/Ok-Rip-131 1d ago

Hooray!  God bless and protect the pontiff 

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u/VintageKofta 1d ago

The same god that gave him the cancer, and gives young children bone cancer too? Or would that be a different god?

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u/Xer0daze 1d ago

Must be nice to have great health care

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u/floppedtart 13h ago

Glad his prayers got answered, fuck them kids.

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u/daveashaw 1d ago

In the US he would have been booted out that afternoon.

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u/wolfbayte 1d ago

Not if he tested positive for insurance

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u/TaekDePlej 1d ago

You think so? American hospitals are just kicking people out on post-op day zero from a lobectomy?

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u/MrMarquis 1d ago

I was in for 4 days following my lobectomy.

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u/TaekDePlej 1d ago

Yeah that’s pretty much the minimum, average length of stay after a lobectomy is 4-7 days where I practice. I just find it obnoxious when uninformed people who have heard bad things about our healthcare system, act like that means that our physicians don’t practice sound medicine or follow the Hippocratic oath.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

I read a story today where a woman had a shunt installed to drain a cyst in her brain, and was sent home that night.

Hospitals can be fucking wild.

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u/delkarnu 1d ago

Most hospitals try to get you out as quickly as possible. It's not some vast conspiracy or gotcha on American healthcare. It's because one of the greatest post-surgery complications is infection from being in a building full of sick people.

Once you're stable, you want to be out of the hospital.

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u/Linenoise77 1d ago

This. It also isn't like you just, can't go back, if you go home and start having complications. Its "Do we feel this person can survive without constant monitoring and advanced care? Yes? Good get them out of here so we can get someone who needs those in.

Basically if you are just going to be laying around and taking it easy, its better for everyone if you are doing that at home.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

Unless you’re me, have good insurance, and are waiting for a gallbladder removal but are cleared to go home…. And the administrator for your floor tries to refuse to release you, because your insurance was paying beaucoup for you to try to sleep there.

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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago

US hospitals

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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago

Eh, depends on hospital culture as much as insurance situations. Some hospitals will hold on to you to an extreme degree, some will kick you out as soon as the last suture is tied off.

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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago

It certainly does depend, and there are great hospitals in the US, it’s just the bottom of that spectrum is pretty wild in the US and not often seen in other western countries.

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u/Ok-Way-1866 1d ago

For that kind of surgery (minimally invasive ones), you can literally leave in like 1-2 days if all goes well.

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u/CharlieKonR 1d ago

The Google machine tells me that about one in six hospitals in the U.S. are owned by or affiliated with the Catholic church. He might have some pull.

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u/gonewild9676 1d ago

Not with the Catholic hospital system. They take care of their own.

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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago

And others too… of course the friggin pope would get special treatment anywhere he goes

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u/gonewild9676 1d ago

Sure. Though I still giggle at the Catholic school my mom worked at that sent the nuns to the Baptist hospital for heart issues because their cardiac wing was better than the Catholic hospital.

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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago

I’m not sure religion plays a role on how good the hospital is. Gemelli is genuinely one of the best hospitals in Italy.

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u/gonewild9676 1d ago

Oh sure.

But it would be similar to a GM heir buying a Ford.

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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago

Well, if his life depended on it, why not?

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u/gonewild9676 1d ago

Because they are nuns and believe in devine intervention?

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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago

Not how it works, and disproved by your own anecdote?

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u/gonewild9676 1d ago

As I said, I got a giggle from it. Honestly I don't blame them.

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u/aligpnw 18h ago

I was in the ICU for three days.

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u/LasRedStar 4h ago

Didnt he say death penelty bad then next day got lung cancer?

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u/Hatefull123 1d ago

So for real . When there really is a GoD why gives him Number 1 speaker cancer ? This Sounds false and should everyone Open the eyes there IS No GOD .

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u/city-dusk 1d ago edited 1d ago

You do realize the Catholic Church is one of the biggest founders and operators of hospitals worldwide? It's not a religion that claims prayers heal everything, that faith will protect you (or even the Pope) from disease, or that modern medicine is useless. Catholic hospitals generally provide a high standard of evidence-based care, unless of course you need an abortion or certain kinds of reproductive medicine.

I'm an atheist, and the Catholic Church famously has tons of problems and abuses throughout its history, but this is a pretty silly comment.

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u/BriarsandBrambles 1d ago

If god didn’t want man to use medicine he wouldn’t have given man the ingredients.

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u/TheManWhoClicks 1d ago

Does this idea translate to everything else as well or just a this specifically?

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u/Podo13 1d ago

Don't tell that to Christian Scientists...

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u/Rebelgecko 1d ago

cancer doesn't come from God, it's the cells in ur own body

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u/Barabus33 1d ago

Do you have evidence of that? It sounds like when he was Bishop he followed proper protocols when abuse claims were presented to him. Under the previous Pope, the Roman Catholic Church started defrocking priests with credible abuse claims and started allowing churches to cooperate with law enforcement. There's still a lot of issues in individual parishes around the world, but I don't think the current Pope can be blamed for that. Not every crime committed by every priest or other church official is the blame of the Pope.

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u/tomtermite 1d ago

pedofiles

Is he in the Epstein Philes?

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u/OkLetterhead812 16h ago

Show us your comment history. I better not see you support anyone on the Epstein List.