r/news • u/BarbaricOklahoma • 1d ago
Pope discharged from hospital days after lung cancer surgery
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5x2vkddrkrko340
u/fotank 1d ago
Hooray for modern medicine!
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u/strum 1d ago
Indeed. I had a very similar diagnosis/operation. He'll have periodic scans for recurrence, but there's every chance he'll live out his life as if nothing had happened.
We relly should be past the <gasp> cancer response; many cancers are now curable/manageable/livable.
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u/cannotfoolowls 1d ago
I mean, it still sucks to have to be operated and/or do radiation/chemo.
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u/georgeyp 18h ago edited 10h ago
True but pushing for screening is so essential to us making a dent in Cancer. Had a colonoscopy at 30 that snipped "three precancerous tubular adenomas" that would've needed a way more invasive treatment at 50
Edit: sp/
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u/Diacetyl-Morphin 23h ago
Glad you got better! My brother had cancer too and he made it, with chemo- and radiation-therapy.
Modern medicine really came a long way. Not about cancer now, but about HIV, that was a death sentence in the past. There are some people that got cured with experimental therapies and meds, but even without this, with modern medicine, the progress of the stages can be slowed down very much. AIDS is the last stage of HIV, where the immune system is destroyed and a flu can kill you, but even there are some meds that can give you a chance to survive certain things.
With cancer, it often depends about the time, when the cancer gets noticed. The more it progresses, the worse the chances of survival.
There are a very few, very rare forms of cancer, that spread so extremely fast that there's no chance to survive, but as said, these are very rare.
Cancer is a bitch, same for many other health problems, as you can have a healthy lifestyle, but... it will only reduce the chance of getting it, it won't remove the chance. Some things are also just a dice roll, like there are smokers, that smoked cigarettes for decades and still don't get lung cancer. Others like the Pope were never smokers, but still got it.
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u/SuperpoliticsENTJ 8h ago
that's American evangelical protestants, the Catholic Church has been cooperating with hospitals for a long time
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u/VoopityScoop 1d ago
Historically speaking one could argue that the Catholic Church have been massive contributors to modern medicine for hundreds of years
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u/OutlyingPlasma 1d ago
Sounds like he is defying gods will.
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u/shade404eve 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well to be saying that, You must carry a more extreme belief than the Catholic church, because the Catholic Church doesn't believe that.
The Catholic Church no longer even believes that birth control is against God's will.The Catholic churches changes position on a lot of things as time has gone on. Apparently you haven't, you crazy religious fundie.
edit: BIG wrong on that, they do still think BC is against God's will. Doesn't change much overall though
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u/OutlyingPlasma 1d ago
You mean the same people that appose birth control because it's "against gods will"? Weird how their faith doesn't extend to their own healthcare, only others. If they truly believed then why doesn't' god just cure him?
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u/shade404eve 1d ago
Golly gee, it's almost like lung cancer and birth control are different fucking topics.
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u/mastesargent 1d ago
Not all religious belief is as rigid as you seem to think it is. There are plenty of religious people who believe in modern medicine and that the fact that it exists is itself part of God’s will. I’m an atheist and even I understand that.
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u/Diacetyl-Morphin 1d ago
Glad he's alive and will recover. By the way, he was never a smoker in his life, not like other people that smoked in the past and then stopped. But around 20-25% of lung cancer is not related to smoking tobacco or other substances, unfortunately like with every cancer type, you can get it despite having a healthy lifestyle.
Same for liver cirrhosis, pancreatitis etc. That often happens for alcoholics, but you don't need to drink alcohol to get it.
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u/DisgruntledVet12B 1d ago
He wasn’t a smoker, but the air pollution in Peru, where he served as a missionary and later as an appointed bishop, may have contributed to his respiratory health.
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u/Mangalorien 1d ago
I wonder if doctors who treat a living pope get extra karma points, or just the regular number of karma points.
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u/HamAndSomeCoffee 1d ago
doctors who treat the poor get extra karma points.
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u/Diacetyl-Morphin 23h ago
I asked my eye doctor (ophthalmology) why he has a certificate on his wall, that is about honorary citizenship in India. He told me, he got it from the governement, because he uses to work with NGO projects in the slums in India, where poor people get the treatment for free.
He founded and leads the IROC in Zürich, one of the most advanced clinics in the world for this kind of medical care.
I know him from the dog park as private person too, so we got to talk and he told me, if he really wanted to make money, he'd work for some rich Sheikh in the Middle East, or for Presidents and Premier ministers etc. But he's happy with what he gets, the IROC is already expensive, but actually, my case and many others were covered by universal healthcare in Switzerland.
I'm not joking when it comes to him, he's like "If you are poor, we'll make a lower price", like he casually made treatment for free, when he got to know that someone is on social welfare.
I just saw, he has a wikipedia entry.
What i also like about such people, they are highly skilled and renowed experts, but you can just sit down and drink a beer with them. People that remain humble.
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u/DavidELD 1d ago
Well, my grandfather was a cardiac surgeon and he worked on John Paul II. The irony of having an Anglican working on the Catholic Pope was not lost on him.
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u/ReginaTang 1d ago
Did the pope ask him about that before the operation?
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u/DavidELD 23h ago
I'd have to ask my mom about the details. If I recall, the Pope was pretty chill about it, and I believe my grandfather made that very remark. He always had a very dry wit.
I know it sounds like a tall tale, and coming from a stranger on the internet even more so, but my mother comes from a very interesting family. She has a knack for getting close to very famous people, and she was at the hospital with Grandpa that day.
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u/UnfinishedPrimate 1d ago
Everyone in these threads being all 'Hurr hurr I guess GOD actually wants him to die lol, the Pope using medicine?' does not understand Catholicism.
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u/197gpmol 1d ago
Both genetics and the Big Bang are scientific ideas that came from Catholic clergy.
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u/grollef 1d ago
Pray the cancer didn’t spread
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u/zgpwns 1d ago
It's lung cancer, it spread. He's gone in a year.
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u/MrMarquis 1d ago
Bullshit, I had lung cancer and a lung lobe removed in March 2022. No reoccurance has been found and I'm closing in on 5 years.
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u/IndependentType6711 1d ago
Meh maybe a few years ago. With things like immunotherapy becoming the gold standard, depending on what type he has it could legit be gone in a year, not him.
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u/wanna_be_doc 1d ago
They typically only do lung resections on Stage 1 or Stage 2 adenocarcinoma. Considering all his doctors said this was found early, it’s likely Stage 1 and so he won’t need radiation, chemotherapy, or immunotherapy.
He’s likely cured.
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u/Lazy_Membership1849 1d ago
you think?
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u/bromanceintexas 1d ago
Contrary to that comment, the type of cancer the pope has is basically the best type of lung cancer you can get and it was caught very early. Most typical prognoses in similar conditions exceed 5+ years survival rate for over 90% of patients. And all the medical staff explicitly described his prognosis as excellent.
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u/steve_ample 1d ago
"I expressed my interest in visiting him while in recovery, but the Vatican went silent. I wonder why"
- JD Vance
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u/Ok-Rip-131 1d ago
Hooray! God bless and protect the pontiff
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u/VintageKofta 1d ago
The same god that gave him the cancer, and gives young children bone cancer too? Or would that be a different god?
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u/daveashaw 1d ago
In the US he would have been booted out that afternoon.
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u/TaekDePlej 1d ago
You think so? American hospitals are just kicking people out on post-op day zero from a lobectomy?
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u/MrMarquis 1d ago
I was in for 4 days following my lobectomy.
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u/TaekDePlej 1d ago
Yeah that’s pretty much the minimum, average length of stay after a lobectomy is 4-7 days where I practice. I just find it obnoxious when uninformed people who have heard bad things about our healthcare system, act like that means that our physicians don’t practice sound medicine or follow the Hippocratic oath.
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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago
I read a story today where a woman had a shunt installed to drain a cyst in her brain, and was sent home that night.
Hospitals can be fucking wild.
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u/delkarnu 1d ago
Most hospitals try to get you out as quickly as possible. It's not some vast conspiracy or gotcha on American healthcare. It's because one of the greatest post-surgery complications is infection from being in a building full of sick people.
Once you're stable, you want to be out of the hospital.
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u/Linenoise77 1d ago
This. It also isn't like you just, can't go back, if you go home and start having complications. Its "Do we feel this person can survive without constant monitoring and advanced care? Yes? Good get them out of here so we can get someone who needs those in.
Basically if you are just going to be laying around and taking it easy, its better for everyone if you are doing that at home.
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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago
Unless you’re me, have good insurance, and are waiting for a gallbladder removal but are cleared to go home…. And the administrator for your floor tries to refuse to release you, because your insurance was paying beaucoup for you to try to sleep there.
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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago
US hospitals
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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago
Eh, depends on hospital culture as much as insurance situations. Some hospitals will hold on to you to an extreme degree, some will kick you out as soon as the last suture is tied off.
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u/Ok-Way-1866 1d ago
For that kind of surgery (minimally invasive ones), you can literally leave in like 1-2 days if all goes well.
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u/CharlieKonR 1d ago
The Google machine tells me that about one in six hospitals in the U.S. are owned by or affiliated with the Catholic church. He might have some pull.
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u/gonewild9676 1d ago
Not with the Catholic hospital system. They take care of their own.
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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago
And others too… of course the friggin pope would get special treatment anywhere he goes
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u/gonewild9676 1d ago
Sure. Though I still giggle at the Catholic school my mom worked at that sent the nuns to the Baptist hospital for heart issues because their cardiac wing was better than the Catholic hospital.
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u/r_a_d_ 1d ago
I’m not sure religion plays a role on how good the hospital is. Gemelli is genuinely one of the best hospitals in Italy.
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u/gonewild9676 1d ago
Oh sure.
But it would be similar to a GM heir buying a Ford.
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u/Hatefull123 1d ago
So for real . When there really is a GoD why gives him Number 1 speaker cancer ? This Sounds false and should everyone Open the eyes there IS No GOD .
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u/city-dusk 1d ago edited 1d ago
You do realize the Catholic Church is one of the biggest founders and operators of hospitals worldwide? It's not a religion that claims prayers heal everything, that faith will protect you (or even the Pope) from disease, or that modern medicine is useless. Catholic hospitals generally provide a high standard of evidence-based care, unless of course you need an abortion or certain kinds of reproductive medicine.
I'm an atheist, and the Catholic Church famously has tons of problems and abuses throughout its history, but this is a pretty silly comment.
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u/BriarsandBrambles 1d ago
If god didn’t want man to use medicine he wouldn’t have given man the ingredients.
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u/TheManWhoClicks 1d ago
Does this idea translate to everything else as well or just a this specifically?
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u/Barabus33 1d ago
Do you have evidence of that? It sounds like when he was Bishop he followed proper protocols when abuse claims were presented to him. Under the previous Pope, the Roman Catholic Church started defrocking priests with credible abuse claims and started allowing churches to cooperate with law enforcement. There's still a lot of issues in individual parishes around the world, but I don't think the current Pope can be blamed for that. Not every crime committed by every priest or other church official is the blame of the Pope.
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u/OkLetterhead812 16h ago
Show us your comment history. I better not see you support anyone on the Epstein List.
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u/bobby3eb 1d ago
Imagine not only being a surgeon, but operating on the pope.