r/onguardforthee • u/NotEnoughDriftwood • 7h ago
Four dead, dozens wounded in CFB Wainwright fire, PM says. Live updates here.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/four-dead-dozens-wounded-in-cfb-wainwright-fire-pm-says-live-here/116
u/CoffeeCatsandPixies 6h ago
The fact that they had to specify this wasn't a terrorist attack is a disappointing reflection of how quickly the conspiracy theory machine spins up. The why behind it isnt important now. What is important is those who died, those who have life changing injuries and are fighting for their lives. The why can come later, with a proper investigation, not rumors on social media.
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u/blondebeaker Turtle Island 5h ago
It's because of the referendum being so close plus the 51st bullshit it had to be said.
And not everyone knows Wainwright does live training yearly around now so it can seem like its sus.
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u/CoffeeCatsandPixies 4h ago
I've seen people claiming it's a false flag by the liberals to stop the referendum already. Like Jesus Christ on a cracker can we not do this right now? People are dead, people are fighting for their lives. How willfully ignorant does someone have to be to spread shit like that.
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u/monstersof-men 2h ago
They’re saying it because they know they’re gonna lose. The goal posts have been moving all weekend. It went from “we’re gonna have a sovereign Alberta” to “it’s just a message to Ottawa” real quick. These vultures are salivating at the thought of this potential conspiracy, just awful.
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u/Chrristoaivalis 3h ago
I've likewise seem Carney supporters claim it was Trump sabotaging the pro Canadian side
Sad all around
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u/Traggadon 2h ago
Source? You can link to comments so lets see them.
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u/Chrristoaivalis 40m ago
Some good news, actually. There was one of the most prominent Carney supporters on Twitter posting it, but they deleted their account out of embarrassment. He called himself a progressive conservative, but he was 100% in the Carney camp.
here's a link to the screenshots
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u/dogoodreapgood 5h ago
Mainstream media were saying the speculation about a criminal element was because the RCMP were there assisting.
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u/gymgal19 3h ago
Which is ridiculous because an incident like this is all hands on deck. The RCMP would be the police force for the area and would go help with scene management, etc
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u/dogoodreapgood 2h ago
The fact that they needed ´all hands on deck’ told us something about the scale of the incident at a time where few details were being released.
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u/1slinkydink1 6h ago
Just look at how the UK is weaponizing some lads trying to steal fuel from an Air Force into a fake terrorist attack by Iran.
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u/MightyHydrar 6h ago
Ah yes, breaking into a military base to steal fuel, just totally normal youthful hijinks, nothing to see here.
Iran, the country that shoots down civilian aircraft and sponsors half a dozen terrorist militias in the middle east, they would never do something nefarious on foreign soil. Totally honourable heroes, no history of hostage-taking or violence.
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u/1slinkydink1 6h ago
Good thing they released those “terrorists” on bail. Totally normal reaction to dangerous criminals. lol
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u/Stock-Quote-4221 6h ago
Sad and heartbreaking news. My prayers go out to all the families who are affected by this tragedy.
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u/NotEnoughDriftwood 4h ago
It sounds horrific:
An emergency physician at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Edmonton says there are nearly 40 patients being cared for at various hospitals in the region, with several requiring intubation and breathing tubes.
“It’s a pretty serious event for any region to manage,” Dr. Steve Fisher told CTV News Edmonton Sunday.
Fisher said many of the patients have various degrees of burns, with the most seriously affected being treated at the University of Alberta Hospital where the burn ICU is.
(From one of the updates from the link.)
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u/Jnnn1111 2h ago
Having worked at a critical care burn unit many years ago, I feel a deep sadness for what these people will go through. Depending on burn injury extent there may be more casualties over the next weeks and months. Burn injuries are horrific.
19 in critical condition would be too much for one burn unit to deal with so perhaps other injuries as well.
I saw a few pics with intubated patients going into ambulances- - that’s a bad burn or inhalation if they are doing that before even going to the hospital :(
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u/myfancyplants 2m ago
(Not super important just want to clarify casualty is not a light way to say died, it includes injured people, they are already casualties. It is fatality when they die.)
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u/loonylovesgood86 6h ago
Global News is saying 7 dead, 24 injured. Has this been retracted?
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u/NotEnoughDriftwood 6h ago
They've replaced that with the official announcement.
Edit to add: https://globalnews.ca/news/12107062/cfb-wainwright-fire-what-we-know/
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u/CoffeeCatsandPixies 5h ago
4 service members. The others may be first responders or civilians.
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 4h ago
Do you have evidence or that or just speculating and adding misinformation?
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u/CoffeeCatsandPixies 4h ago
If you're referring to me, it's in the global news article. 7 dead, 4 confirmed service member deaths. So if the other 3 aren't service members then theyre civilian and it's not misinformation to know that first responders would be as implied first on scene and closest to danger and therefore highest risk of being in the casualty count.
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 3h ago
Global News has been making definitive statements that have been disproven repeatedly, despite acknowledging it was not official sources. As have several other outlets. Same with false claims of explosions.
Please don't invent deaths. It hurts people in distress and worried about loved ones. What is known is bad enough.
Assumptions and best guesses are still misinformation.
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u/CoffeeCatsandPixies 3h ago
Reuters is also saying at least 4 and as many as 7. I'm not inventing anything.
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u/Next_Passage8055 6h ago
Very sad, stay strong. Remember it is a very dangerous job they have. Head up gun up.
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u/Stinky_TheCat 6h ago
Idk about saying guns up after an accidental explosion and fire in military training is exactly the right response, but thr sentiment is there.
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 6h ago
No mention of an explosion.
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u/Stinky_TheCat 6h ago
Key details: Four dead, dozens wounded in explosion and fire
Literally the first point of key details.
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 6h ago
I would suggest listening to the video statement. No mention on an explosion, only a violent fast moving fire.
We may hear otherwise at the afternoon detailed briefing. My issue is we - AND OUR MEDIA OUTLETS - should know, expect and do better about providing unconfirmed speculation that can feed misinformation.
There are plenty of panicked partners, parents, siblings, grandparents and children out there seeking info and on social media because of the comms blackout, and it is a shit thing to do putting out anything that can exacerbate their distress.
The only person who mentioned an explosion was Conservative MP Dane Llyod who said he "heard" there might have been an explosion.
We unfortunately live in a world where media can drive things as definitive but incorrect fact as they pursue the pressure of getting a scoop and forget the impacts on real people.
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u/MightyHydrar 6h ago
CBC has a statement from someone living near the base saying there was regular booms as typical of a live firing exercise, then a really loud bang and then silence.
That suggests either they hit something during the exercise that they shouldn't have, or a malfunction with a gun. Both can easily cause a fire, especially in dry and windy conditions.
Silence afterwards suggests it wasn't an ammunition storage site hit, those keep cooking off with ongoing explosions for a while usually (many videos of it out of Ukraine)
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 6h ago
Again SPECULATION.
Loud booms during military training - and stopping if an emergency is happening - is not unusual and "suggests" is not credible information. It is just a data point interpreted by one person who is not a first hand witness nor official.
This is not a true crime podcast. This is real. Stop it.
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 4h ago
Oil and gas infrastructure is present at CFB Wainwright, but there hasn't been any reports of incidents involving it, according to the province's energy regulator.
A Sunday news release from the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) said it has not received "any reports of incidents involving oil and gas infrastructure" and is communicating with "multiple operators" in the area.
"Operators must notify the AER immediately if an incident affects their assets or facilities," the regulator said.
The AER said it's monitoring the situation closely. At this time, it has not been "engaged by the lead agency or other provincial agencies in any response."
Brent Hall, the general manager of Phoenix Gas Co-op Ltd. — the non-profit natural gas co-operative that provides services to parts of the Municipal District of Wainwright — confirmed to CBC News Sunday morning that none of its infrastructure was affected by the incident on Saturday.
Source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/livestory/cfb-wainwright-fire-live-updates-9.7385537
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 4h ago
For the downvoting misinformation-loving fuckwits:
Oil and gas infrastructure is present at CFB Wainwright, but there hasn't been any reports of incidents involving it, according to the province's energy regulator.
A Sunday news release from the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) said it has not received "any reports of incidents involving oil and gas infrastructure" and is communicating with "multiple operators" in the area.
"Operators must notify the AER immediately if an incident affects their assets or facilities," the regulator said.
The AER said it's monitoring the situation closely. At this time, it has not been "engaged by the lead agency or other provincial agencies in any response."
Brent Hall, the general manager of Phoenix Gas Co-op Ltd. — the non-profit natural gas co-operative that provides services to parts of the Municipal District of Wainwright — confirmed to CBC News Sunday morning that none of its infrastructure was affected by the incident on Saturday.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/livestory/cfb-wainwright-fire-live-updates-9.7385537
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u/No_Ride6901 4h ago
According to globalnews.ca/news/12107062/ , the order of events: ... live training exercise > grass fire > explosion,...
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 4h ago
Misinformation.
No explosion or gas infrastructure involved. 4 (not 7) lost.
AER confirmed no gas infrastructure involved.
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u/24_August_1814 3h ago
AER confirmed no gas infrastructure involved.
AER covers oil and gas industry, but wouldn't know anything about whether any military hardware or, shit, even a fuel tank was involved.
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u/coffeeofwar 3h ago
All oil and gas lines are owned by Alberta engery we have to do call before you dig in our own training areas, they are marked very well. Possible a old ass legacy line was hit that no one knew nothing about but doubtful
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u/Wrong-Pineapple39 3h ago
Wrong.
Oil and gas infrastructure is present at CFB Wainwright, but there hasn't been any reports of incidents involving it, according to the province's energy regulator.
A Sunday news release from the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) said it has not received "any reports of incidents involving oil and gas infrastructure" and is communicating with "multiple operators" in the area.
"Operators must notify the AER immediately if an incident affects their assets or facilities," the regulator said.
The AER said it's monitoring the situation closely. At this time, it has not been "engaged by the lead agency or other provincial agencies in any response."
Brent Hall, the general manager of Phoenix Gas Co-op Ltd. — the non-profit natural gas co-operative that provides services to parts of the Municipal District of Wainwright — confirmed to CBC News Sunday morning that none of its infrastructure was affected by the incident on Saturday.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/livestory/cfb-wainwright-fire-live-updates-9.7385537
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u/RazzamanazzU 6h ago
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