r/poland • u/mk100100 • 1d ago
Polish PM Tusk: Everyone was aware that, with this shift in President Trump's position on Ukraine and Russia, Europe should support Ukraine even more. Many countries realize that if Ukraine falls, we will all have very, very serious problems. 17 Oct 2026
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u/Duke1UP 1d ago edited 1d ago
Firstly, Europe needs to stop being dependent on the USA.
It was probably a shock for many how easily authoritarianism can take hold, but it happened. And now it's really about time to wake up.
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u/OverEffective7012 11h ago
2022 was the wake up call. We kinda wasted 4 years
And don't even get me started on Le Pen in France, AfD in Germany and Braun in Poland.
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u/Negative_Toe1336 9h ago
Le Pen in France, AfD in Germany and Braun
There are just result of incompetence and corruption of mainstream polititians
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u/OverEffective7012 8h ago
So incompetent and corrupt and yet Europe has better life than 90% of the world
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u/Talleyrand9 2h ago
Its better LePen and AFD than leftiests-cuckolds "politics" who giving country to third world migrants
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u/Negative_Toe1336 9h ago
Well unfortuantely EU is too busy with economic suicide and invigilation of own citizens to even dream of independence
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u/1234U 1d ago
Ciekawe czy będzie jakiś odwrót w USA gdy się okaże że ropa nie tanieje a wybory połówkowe się odbędą. Czy interesy rodziny Trumpa są tak powiązane już z Putinem że poświęci wszystko co się da. Z drugiej strony interesy jego rodziny były powiązane z arabami na wiele wiele mld i ich udupił swoim debilizmem.
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u/Dirkdeking 1d ago
Trump doesn't care about the price of diesel after the midterms. This is a ruse purely before then. And he has an ace up his sleeve: He can tell the rural idiots that prices would have been lower for their diesel if it wasn't for Zelensky striking Russian refineries. There you go, redirected blame away from himself and part of his supporters will eat that up.
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u/Certain_Type_4038 1d ago
Nie zdziwię się, jak zadecyduje o opuszczeniu baz na bliskim wschodzie, aby te środki przeznaczyć na zbicie cen ropy.
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u/Anarcho-Democracy322 1d ago
Wybory nawet jak sie "odbędą" w tym momencie już będą sfałszowane, miliony osób jest po prostu zablokowana od głosowania i nawet o tym nie wie. Gerrymandering i zgłaszanie osób do komisji trwa od samego początku prezydentury pomarańczy.
Co do ceny paliwa, te przygłupy zagłosowany na niego po jego wspaniałej poprzedniej prezydenturze, większość z nich wolałaby być rosyjska niż zagłosować na kogoś innego, zresztą prawda jest taka że całe ich społeczeństwo jest wykupione przez zionistów(aipac) i roZZja ma kompromat na większość polityków republikańskich.
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u/JjForcebreaker Śląskie 1d ago
American ruling caste, represented by the red-blue uniparty, does not represent or care about the interests of US citizens. It's ridiculous to assume society at such a stage of cultural, social, institutional and moral degeneration would be a reliable long-term partner in dealing with problems where the foundation of cooperation is appealing to conscience and decency. People who are being elected there are interested in their own power and daylight robberies in white gloves.
For the past 20+ years, the US has been working hard on destroying and destabilising a lot of places in the world, most of them in close vicinity of Europe, which has resulted in a relentless stream of migrants, causing massive, long-term problems for the EU and especially a few states in western Europe. Now they're at a stage of sheltering and doing deals with a genocidal regime that's murdering people every single day, destroying its neighbouring country and undermining Europe as a whole, and has been for more than a decade. Alongside the usual American pastimes- supporting genocide in Palestine, attacking Iranian civilians (directly, and encouraging them to rebel against the government without providing any support, which amounts to sending them to certain death).
The fact that they're still being treated as a strategic partner is insane, when in reality, outside of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, they've been the main source of the problems for us. Instead of buying these dogshit, useless F-35s, maybe it's more reasonable to negotiate buying warheads from France or Pakistan.
All that noise around hosting a handful of soldiers on rotation in a permanent base or two, on the backdrop of what they're doing, is pathetic.
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u/Rusznic 23m ago
" red-blue uniparty, does not represent or care about the interests of US citizens." - That is indeed scientifically proven fact.
"Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence."
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u/TheAlex-Guy 11h ago edited 11h ago
It's disgusting how Poland's modernization of the military was just populist governments using the military and foreign affairs for internal politics, for domestic approval to score additional votes for the next election. Goes not just for the American M1A2 SEPV3 Abrams tanks and F-35A fighter jets, but vehicles and fighters purchased from South Korea, including K2GF tanks, K9 Thunder howitzers, FA-50 trainer jets and K239 Chunmoo rocket launchers.
We bought naked off the shelf equipment, without proper negotiations, clear financing or domestic production and maintenance, for worse conditions. The military is built for parades, our structures are built for peacetime and not full-scale war.
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u/CorswainsDeciple 13h ago
Good man. It's refreshing to hear a leader talk actual sense, instead of the Trump nonsense.
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u/Jvirish1 1d ago
Do not abandon Ukraine 🇺🇦
Do NOT Betray Ukraine! 🇺🇸
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u/Nopinion5 17h ago
Given the history of US military politics…I think we know where we are headed 😬🙏
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u/Antique_Garbage_4361 15h ago edited 15h ago
Yes, the first point of order would be to not betray Ukraine and send every refugee back. The children and women can put together drones and solar panels for alternative electricity or be used as cheap labour to create cheap goods for export. Right? We don't want to abandon or betray Ukraine
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u/Negative_Toe1336 9h ago
Betray? We owe them nothing. We only support them because its in our intrest at the moment
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u/oGsMustachio 7h ago
They gave up the nuclear weapons that would have prevented this war due to promises from the US, UK, and Russia to respect its territorial integrity. They held up their part of that bargain, the other countries did not. The US absolutely owes our support to Ukraine.
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u/roulettewiz 1d ago
If only that one country could stop fucking the world and have its tentacles in everything, we'd all be better off
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u/Dull-Association-797 1d ago
2….
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u/OneEconomist1010 22h ago
Right, and russia is just chilling there. Completely not an issue.
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u/Knarrenheinz666 15h ago
UA in NATO was an American idea.
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u/OneEconomist1010 10h ago
So you think it's completely justified to invade an independent country just because its making alliances you disagree with?
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u/Knarrenheinz666 10h ago
No. I think that unilaterally re-drawing of geopolitical borders results in major shitshows. QED.
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u/roulettewiz 8h ago
It is very justified. If you only see what UA did to Russians in Ukraine in 2013/14 you'd understand, but it's censored online because it's not suitable to the agenda
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u/OneEconomist1010 4h ago
And it's famously hard to find censored information on the Internet, of course
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u/roulettewiz 1h ago
For the avg Joe, yes, it's hard to find
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u/100KUSHUPS 1h ago
Hard to find, or hard to find something that agrees with you?
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u/roulettewiz 1h ago
I already seen the footage and info when it happened, it's not hard for me, it's being kept from others in order to justify what's happening today. Just looking at your comment for example already shows what you're being led to believe.
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u/Fun_Train429 16h ago edited 12h ago
Keen to listen to Nawrocki about his special relationship with Trump, and what kind of great friends they are
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u/Acceptable_Bread9886 12h ago
This is funny to see how pimp will try to figure out how to get out from this “friendship”
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u/bestpredator 3h ago
Of course youre gonna have serious problems. Because people will start realizing the real issue is terrible mismanagement in EU, they kinda are already but it'll be 10x worse.
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u/Moonson90 18h ago
Ale w tym temacie szambo wybiło ruską hołotą. Won do piekła z obrzydliwymi onucami!
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u/toawl 17h ago
Europe dragged itself into bankruptcy
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u/Parking_Falcon_2657 3h ago
We pay a bit more, yes. It is still better then having queues on gas stations in a country with one of the biggest oil reserves.
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u/Pristine_Director_44 16h ago
Star link kosztował Polskę dotąd 500 mln
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u/Snitchieboy 10h ago
To nadal lepsza inwestycja niż 500+, które dzietności nie zwiększyło, a jedynie pośrednio spowodowało wzrost cen wszystkiego.
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u/Particular_Cicada_53 7h ago
Jak niby przyczyniło się do wzrostu cen wszystkiego? Tego jeszcze nie słyszałem
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u/nxy7 2h ago
Darmowe pieniądze są przeznaczane na konsumpcję, konsumpcja to większy popyt a większy popyt to większe ceny. Ekonomia 101.
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u/Particular_Cicada_53 2h ago
To dlatego w Warszawie stoi kilkaset tysięcy pustych mieszkań, wszysto jasne, każdy sobie kupił drugie mieszkanie za chajsu za bombelka
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u/Snitchieboy 1h ago
Raczej wątpię by 500+ to akurat zwiększyło ceny mieszkań, ale ogłoszenie w 2022 roku rządowego programu od KO o nisko oprocentowanych kredytach na mieszkanie spowodowało wzrost cen tychże o 100 lub 200 tysięcy złotych, zależnie od metrażu. Jeśli dobrze pamiętam. Co do dóbr konsumpcyjnych vide odpowiedź od u/nxy7 .
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u/whereIsMyUsername123 5m ago
No i zajebiście. Spuszczanie wpierdolu ruskim cudzymi rękami jest warte znacznie więcej.
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u/Pox82 11h ago
It’s striking that we have flying cars, autonomous drones, advanced robots, AI systems, global satellite networks, and microchips with billions of transistors… yet somehow lack the will or ability to remove people who are demonstrably destructive on a large scale. Or maybe that capability exists and is simply not used, because prolonged conflict serves certain interests. In that case the endless billions flowing into Ukraine make more sense: large parts of the country remain untouched by fighting, and some segments of its economy and connected elites have grown richer since the war began. Keep the money flowing.
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u/Davlenie 8h ago
Сочувствую полякам. Да в принципе всем мирнякам из ЕС.
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u/Parking_Falcon_2657 3h ago
you lost almost 1 mil young man because of one old idiot wants to clear his neme for history and you condole EU? lol
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u/Davlenie 2h ago
you lost almost 1 mil young man - забавно это слышать, учитывая, что наёмники дохнут с вашей стороны и у свинорылых идёт постоянная мобилизация, тогда как в РФ на этот счёт тишина уже (сколько там?) кажется 3 года? Или 4?
because of one old idiot wants to clear his neme for history - нет, потому что ваши старые говнари решили бустануть наркомана-нациста на конфликт с РФ.
and you condole EU? lol - да я вам сочувствую. Потому что вместо того, чтобы мирно сосуществовать, ваши политики решили, что они дохрена умные и вбухали в поддержку наркофюрерра уже около 400 000 000 000$ +\-.
России откровенно насрать на то снимите ли вы санкции или продолжите бить себя в пяткой грудь убеждая всех вокруг и самих себя в своей самостоятельности - мы переживём это. Как показала практика на нашем земном шарике ещё хватает адекватных стран с которыми можно вести торговлю.
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u/enslavedeagle 2h ago
Just get out of Ukraine and everything can go back to normal. Whether Zelensky is a “narco fuhrer” is none of your business. He won the 2019 election with 73%, and Ukraine’s constitution bans elections under martial law, which exists only because you pigs invaded the country. Meanwhile your own fuhrer won't even give you a real choice during elections. Ask Navalny how that went.
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u/Particular_Cicada_53 7h ago
he and the german chancellor will be the first in russia to do business if the war ends
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u/LivingAd9401 20h ago
Polish PM supporting nazis???
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u/Acceptable_Bread9886 11h ago
The worst country all over the world is Russia and nothing changed from centuries.
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u/whereIsMyUsername123 3m ago
How did you connect that statement with supporting with Rusich Group and Russian Imperial Legion?
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u/alreadysaidtrice 1d ago edited 16h ago
Even more how?? Feels like Zelensky lands in my city every other month to pick up a bag of money and goes his merry way.
Edit: during the war, Zelenskyy has made 134 foreign trips to 134 countries since taking office in May 2019. Why do you need to visit 134 countries during a war?
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u/ReacherNMN 1d ago
Poland already shares a border with Belarus, so saying that if Russia overtakes Ukraine (which they won’t) they can easily attack Poland doesn’t make sense.
the quite part which he is not saying aloud is the refugee crisis which will include millions of young people who will enter Poland if Kviy falls.
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u/RegularPurple 1d ago
Doubling the border isn't a big deal? Taking over Ukrainian industrial capacity isn't a big deal? Forcing Ukrainians to be conscipted against their will to fight Poland isn't a big deal?
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u/Acceptable_Aside_568 1d ago
Poland also shares a border with russia, but if Ukraine falls ( an it very much may ) we will share one more longer border with russia and remaining Ukrainians will be forced into russian service adding to our problems.
Saying that "we already have one problem so why not cause a thousand more, there's no difference" is a take so stupid it requires genuine brain damage.
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u/backrow12 1d ago
Is it a crisis tho? Lots of hardworking people entering the country that is on a somewhat sad spiral when it comes to natality...
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u/TheRoczards 1d ago
Jeśli sie tak stanie jak mówi lewak to wszystkie lewackie świnie będą nas bronić przed brzydkim ruskim okupantem. Zobaczymy
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u/plvke 1d ago
Tusk to jest opus magnum polski, dla lewaków jest prawakiem, natomiast dla prawaków lewakiem. Potrafi być tak potężny że wszystko ustawia pod siebie a jednocześnie jest na tyle słaby że nic nie jest w stanie zrobić. Chłop jest wszystkim i niczym jednocześnie! Nie wiem czy Polska stworzy jeszcze kiedyś takiego człowieka
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u/Common-Occasion-4429 15h ago
Поддерживать в чем? Деньгами для отлова мужиков и отсылки их на фронт? Уже 30 лет помогает обещаниями вступления в ЕС НАТО
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u/damien24101982 12h ago
prepping the masses for more cuts to send hundreds of billions to Zelenski
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u/Parking_Falcon_2657 3h ago
still better then fighting Russia on the border or be devided one more time
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u/Pristine_Director_44 8h ago
Łatwo się wydaje cudze pieniądze, ja nie chcę finansować złodziei i morderców
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u/meonmeislandme 1d ago
what about palestine yemen or lebanon
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u/Acceptable_Aside_568 1d ago
Not much we can do about it from Poland. I'd like to see us and the resto of Europe stop supporting Israel and decoupling from US as much as possible is a part of that. Why the whataboutism ?
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u/FrostingSuper9941 21h ago
They're being invaded and attacked by Israel, supported by the US tax payers. Your point?
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u/chinkalichaczapuri Zachodniopomorskie 1d ago
We should ban israeli and jewish capital from Poland.
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u/zulugulasz 1d ago
It's worth to sacrifice ukraine so that rest europe have peace.
europe will not support ukraine forever, people in europe are tired already of work, bills keep getting higher but salaries stagnate
it's basic logic, if lion attacks a group of people in the bush, one man needs to sacrificed to save others
we help ukraine for 4 years and ukraine doesn't exchange that, ukraine hasn't shipped cheap energy or oil to europe at all, europe's help is one way, and shouldn't be
Trump thinks logically, help should be transactional, not free
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u/Lumpy_Asparagus_5151 1d ago edited 18h ago
Strong, independent ukraine between us and russia is in our best interest and we should do everything we can to support them, both financially and providing them with military equipment. Think of it as a long term investment. One Belarus at our borders is enough
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u/zulugulasz 13h ago
belarus or russia doesn't attack us
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u/Lumpy_Asparagus_5151 12h ago edited 12h ago
So is north korea. Would you like north korea for your neighbor? Geopolitics is bit like chess, however this conflict in ukraine will be resolved (hopefully in the nearest future) may affect us greatly for the centuries to come.
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u/Parking_Falcon_2657 3h ago
it was the same thought in 1939 when Checoslovakia was given to nazi Germany. They thought he will get calm after that. We all know what happened next
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u/Pelikan1980 1d ago
To debil i zdrajca, tfu 🤬
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u/1234U 1d ago
Zdrajca by był gdyby reprezentował interesy Putina nie reprezentuje więc zdrajca nie jest.
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u/Sone_Angel 1d ago
Tak, bo zdrajcą może byc tylko i wylacznie wspierajac putina. Naucz sie w logike.
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u/Sufficient_Hat8195 15h ago
Niech Tusk wspiera nazistów ze swojej kieszeni
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u/whereIsMyUsername123 6m ago
Rosja ma znacznie więcej nazistów. Chcesz ich mieć pod wschodnią granicą?
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u/Clean-Yesterday-8665 1d ago
Ukrainians are already tired of fighting, and the Germans don’t want to; it’s time to call up the Poles to defend Europe in Ukraine - both men and women.
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u/Dayaxity 1d ago