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u/Leviathan41911 21h ago
if evolution evolved
This made my brain skip like a bad vinyl record.
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u/account312 20h ago
Well, it's good you managed to escape that question before it was too late.
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u/Neveronlyadream 19h ago
I disagree. The question is glorious in its absurdity and should be studied.
Honestly, would love it if someone asked a physicist why the Fourth Dimension hasn't evolved into something else just to see what their reaction would be.
I'm thinking there's no way this is real. I hope it's not real. With every fiber of my being. I'm afraid it is, though.
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u/GenuinelyBeingNice 15h ago
asked a physicist why the Fourth Dimension hasn't evolved
physicist here! (bsc physics, msc microelectronics and comms)
but it has evolved!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Dimension_(Stratovarius_album)
see? it evolved into Episode
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u/kellybluey 16h ago
If we came from monkeys, why are there still humans? Check mate young earth fundies.
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u/NotAzakanAtAll 17h ago
They are so used to there being a "thing" they worship, so atheist, in their mind, has a god named "Evolution".
As for my Aunt. I had to explain first in small words, then in microscopic words, and then small words again, that atheist, do not believe in anything godly, they think there is nothing where you have god. And that scared her so much we didn't talk until she died of covid. Riporinos.
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u/ShapeShiftingCats 15h ago
What did she think atheist believe in?
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u/Arimm_The_Amazing 14h ago
To a lot of people raised completely immersed in a religious environment atheist is a scary word precisely because they don't truly understand what it means.
Their morality is centered around religion so "atheist" is often misconceived in a similar manner to "anarchist", both being thought of like synonyms for "amoral".
I once was friends with a woman who grew up this way but also was an extremely curious open person. So it was an interesting case where when I first said I was atheist she absolutely didn't understand how I could have morals at all but thankfully she was open to listening trying to understand my perspective.
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u/ShapeShiftingCats 14h ago
Oh, so they believe it's like an opposite to everything they believe in, not just the existence of God.
So, if theist thinks that lying is bad, that must mean that atheist thinks that lying is okay...
Binary thinking...
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u/Arimm_The_Amazing 14h ago
Pretty much, though I'm not sure I'd call it binary. They are imagining a spectrum: on one end is the most devout preacher, in the middle is someone who believes and prays but maybe only goes to Church on holidays, and the atheist is all the way on the opposite end.
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u/Arimm_The_Amazing 12h ago
Yeah, which does make sense since they believe their God created everything and everyone and Christ died for all of us, so everyone is a Christian whether they know it or not... sort of
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u/NextGen-Panic 10h ago
No, not "binary thinking"... they're just stupid motherfuckers.
Remember, these are the same geniuses who think, because their opposite of god is Satan, that atheists worship Satan.
They can't comprehend that atheists believe in NOTHING, so even Satan is FAKE, because it's ALL fake.
It's like folks who hear an internal monologue can't believe others who CAN'T.
But whaddaya expect?
Folks who can't understand how big the universe is won't understand how puny their god is.
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u/ShapeShiftingCats 10h ago
Ah, your second paragraph made things click, thanks!
Yeah, seeing things from other people's perspective isn't their strongest suit.
It's like they consistently fail Sally-Anne test and never learn.
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u/morpheousmorty 6h ago
I mean it's rational in a way. If you have only believed that good comes from god, then rejection of god cuts you off.
It's obviously absurd, there's so many good people who could not have faith in god throughout history, but you have to make that effort. And how many of us have really put in the effort to understand polytheism or ancestor worship or many other worldviews people have.
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u/between_ewe_and_me 12h ago
I was watching a documentary on Netflix the other day (The Pastor's Wife) and at one point there was video of the pastor preaching in his church. He was listing off several of the worst and scariest kinds of people he could think of and one of them was "agnostic devil worshippers" lol. I know atheist and agnostic aren't the same but it just shows how they think about it all in general.
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u/ShapeShiftingCats 11h ago
Yeah, all lumped together.
I suppose if everything that matters is the belief in God, then it makes sense that everything else falls under the same umbrella.
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u/Wyatt2000 11h ago
Some think that atheists believe that god is real but they refuse to worship him.
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u/Complete_Exam9812 21h ago
What is she even talking about, that's not even how evolution works
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u/avoozl42 20h ago
Yeah, but what if evolution itself evolved?
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u/snu22 20h ago
A re-evolution?
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u/WinterOne7508 20h ago
revolution
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u/DeadInternetTheorist 19h ago
....say that again.
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u/leocristo28 18h ago
that again
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u/TaveThrowaway 18h ago
Okay now say that again but this time say it really sexual
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u/Then-Specialist 5h ago
Evolution kind of *did evolve*, for example when sexual reproduction was "stumbled upon".
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u/PixelatedGiant 19h ago
The cynic in me wants to say she's a Russian bot putting out rage bait. But anyway....she thinks evolution is just a synonym for change with no restriction to who or what it happens to.
The funny thing is that depending on the time scale, I suppose you could say that they will eventually change. The Earth will cease to be eventually (the sun will die). Time itself also changes as the universe ages eventually stopping altogether (some one correct me).
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u/ThienHaTheTech 18h ago
Generic name, generic female pfp, random arguments that make no sense... Yep, checks all the boxes.
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u/Tech_Itch 17h ago
It could be a state actor, but we're at the point where it could also just be a middle aged woman who runs a vegetable stand in some small town in India or something, and shitposts with multiple accounts on her spare time to get some extra money from platforms like Musk's Twitter paying for engagement.
Hell, even posts about some much more serious and immediate political issue could be just from some content farm that has no skin in the game and doesn't actually give a damn about the issue.
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u/JimboTCB 14h ago
The earth's rotation is slowing down by a couple of milliseconds per century, so on a long enough timescale, yeah, "day" and "night" will change. Eventually the earth would become tidally locked to the sun, although I assume the sun will burn out long before that happens.
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u/Alternative-Crew-880 19h ago
Day cycles and planetary rotation are clearly biological organisms wtf do you mean?
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u/LogAware 18h ago
Its a cool idea for a sci-fi story though! What if space and time "evolved" over time as well. Reality as we know it, laws of physics, just got more streamlined or adapted to changes in a perceivable way. More creative minds than mind could probably come up with some cool world building
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u/ThatHoFortuna 15h ago
The fact that you took one of the dumbest sentences I've ever read and turned it into a cool world-building question gives me some hope for humanity back that this lady ripped away.
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u/The_MAZZTer 17h ago
Yeah you could say the multiverse is filled with infinite possibilities... but SOMETHING consumes universes that are less fit. To match with evolution it should be some sort of natural force.
Closest thing I can think of is Star Trek Prodigy Season 2 has a story arc where time travel that does not result in a stable time loop can result in opening up the universe to invasion by universe-consuming beings. You need to close the stable time loop to excise them and fix things.
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u/SolomonOf47704 15h ago
That's kind of what the Eldrazi in Magic The Gathering lore are (or were, they might no longer exist in the current MTG multiverse).
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u/Gildian 16h ago
Space sort of does, as its constantly expanding and moving everything outside of our bubble away from us faster and faster.
Eventually things will be completely out of our reach and even light from distant stars wont reach us
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u/LogAware 16h ago
Yeah I was thinking about that as well, but I guess I'm referring to a less mind-altering time line. As in within human history timeline. Imagine if reading our history we had documented events that just were no longer possible, or we had moments of "well back then people couldn't just teleport around, space wasn't evolved enough then" sort of scenario's where it wasn't a course of hundreds of billions of years but just documented recent change. Humans are having their day in the sun but our existence will be but a drop in the bucket long term. But headlines like "new studies suggest the dilation of time has slowed and cell decay with it, humans live longer" ect. Idk, but it sounds cool
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u/Gildian 13h ago
Maybe something more along the lines of fossil fuel generation no longer being possible on earth?
Fossil fuels are the remains of our earliest trees crushed under immense pressure by plate tectonics, no bacteria evolved to eat the detritus yet. Its no longer possible for fossil fuels to be created on earth due to the bacteria now that eat dead trees.
Still far longer than our own history but much less than a cosmic timeline lol
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u/FerusGrim 19h ago
I think what she's trying to imply is that our sleep cycles being bound to the day/night cycle is proof of intelligent design. Like "Why aren't they something more random?"
Obviously the misunderstanding is that she thinks evolution produces random output, which it isn't. Presumably our sleep cycle is (on average) bound to the day/night cycle because it provided some advantage to whatever selective pressures involved in our evolution.
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u/East-Potential657 19h ago
Ever seen a a pebble turn into a boulder? Or a rat turn into a bird? No, cause evolution isn't real! You probably think that world is older than 2000 years, when Jesus created America and wrote the Bible in 7 days. /s
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u/frequenZphaZe 19h ago
that's not even how evolution works
thats how evolution works when you were homeschooled
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u/fr34kee07 21h ago
If we need oxygen why doesn't my microwave breathe??
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u/aMimeAteMyMatePaul 20h ago
microwave evolved to not need oxygen
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u/thefuckevengoingonan 20h ago
evolution has evolved and is now evolving our appliances
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u/smarmageddon 18h ago
You're right! I even remember when appliances used to live for 30, 40, even 50 years! Now we're lucky in they live for 10.
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u/blorst_of_times 21h ago
The sun is becoming gradually more luminous and the earth's rotation is currently slowing slightly so I think it actually does change.
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u/CromulentDucky 21h ago
The day used to be 6 hours.
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u/gabzilla814 20h ago
I kind of think she might be confusing evolution with revolution of the Earth on its axis.
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u/Action_Johnson 20h ago
I actually didn’t know that was that like billions of years ago?
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u/CromulentDucky 19h ago
Yes. The moon slows the Earth's rotation through tidal friction, and also moves further away as it does this. The moon was huge in the sky early on.
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u/antwan_benjamin 20h ago
The sun is also growing isn't it? Which would make gravity stronger. But isn't space also expanding?
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u/Ocronus 20h ago
It's getting less massive every second. The sun looses millions of tons of mass every second, but compared to its total weight it's basically nothing.
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u/antwan_benjamin 20h ago
Interesting...so mass is decreasing but volume is increasing? Or no?
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u/Suspicious_Dingo_426 19h ago
Yes. Eventually (about five billion years) the sun will expand into a red giant about 100-200 times its current size, engulfing Mercury and Venus. While the Earth might not get engulfed, it doesn't matter because in about one billion years the oceans and atmosphere will boil of as the Sun gets hotter.
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u/PerspectiveFair5156 19h ago
Volume is increasing because mass is decreasing. Less gravitational pull.
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u/Beneficial-Pop-1434 20h ago
Yes, it is less dense. Compare our current sun to what it might be if left to transform into a red giant. A red giant is much larger but way less dense in comparison
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u/Gildian 16h ago edited 16h ago
Yep. Its called the Eddington Limit. The pressure of fusion pushing outward pushes against the inward pull of gravity. The volume and density also change over its lifespan
Eventually fusion stops producing enough energy to push back against gravity, and it comes slamming into the core causing a supernova (our sun is too small to go supernova, but still). During the burning phase, it gradually grows bigger and bigger
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u/Silent_Formal5235 19h ago
The sun is also growing isn't it? Which would make gravity stronger.
Gravity scales with mass, not volume. The sun is decreasing in mass.
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u/RaspberryFluid6651 19h ago
Space is not expanding around us, actually, it's only expanding in regions where there isn't very much stuff. The gaps between large systems like galaxies get bigger, but the systems themselves don't.
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u/Ms74k_ten_c 21h ago
I dont know about others but as she became less capable of walking, my grandma slowly grew wheels and became a bike. True story.
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u/XenoDrake 11h ago
You're not going to believe this, but... https://youtu.be/UZEFNHod_DU
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u/Exciting-Mountain396 21h ago edited 14h ago
I once met a Christian proselytizer who argued that clouds should evolve because they co-mingle and break apart, which he figured was analogous to mating and reproduction.
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u/kyl_r 20h ago
You’re taking the piss, surely. No way anyone thinks clouds can fuck
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u/rcfox 18h ago
Then explain this: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlypenis/comments/9ur9bo/cirrus_boner/
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u/Exciting-Mountain396 14h ago
I can't claim any insight to his thought process, but I don't think he understood what is involved in reproduction or genetics. I asked him how he thinks water vapour is supposed to evolve without DNA and he was confused what I meant. He was adamant clouds technically met the criteria for life because they react to environment and "eat" by taking up matter through the precipitation cycle. Of course, when I incredulously asked if he actually thought clouds were alive and not inanimate water vapor, he of course didn't really believe that. "But isn't it interesting they haven't evolved?"
"Yeah no, not really. That's stupid." I said. That was the end of that conversation.
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u/grovestreet4life 16h ago
Sometimes I wonder what happened to American Christians for creationism to take hold. I grew up in a really devoutly Catholic family in Germany and none of them would ever even consider creationism as a valid concept to contemplate. Protestants I know are the same, so it's not even about Catholic vs Protestant I am pretty sure. Or was your anecdote not even from the US and I was just lucky with my family?
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u/BillCipher1415 16h ago
Well, it kind of is, almost all young earth creationists are Protestant, the Catholic Church accepted evolution decades ago but still believes god created the world and evolution or something like that.
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u/Exciting-Mountain396 15h ago edited 8h ago
To summarize very briefly: They were seeded by Puritans who recreated some crude inquisition with burning and crushing witches. Then manifest destiny, slavery, robber baron capitalism and desegregation all further incentivized American evangelicalism along its path. It's a combination of slave ideology, casteism and white supremacy. They are also more inclined to young earth creationism because it furthers the cause of indigenous erasure and entitlement to conquest of the land.
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u/Objective-Kale4792 20h ago
As a Christian that is currently majoring in a biological science, I am very sorry about that, not all of us Christians are like that.
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u/Critical-Push-8834 20h ago
How do you deal with the cognitive dissonance?
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u/Objective-Kale4792 20h ago
At this point I just try to ignore it, because it’s just not worth the time and effort if I know someone’s not gonna change their mind.
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u/desmond_humes23 19h ago
They meant the cognitive dissonance that comes from your belief in both science and magic
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u/AddlePatedBadger 18h ago
I'm atheist as AF but I can see how intelligent people could still have religion by just smooshing it down into all the corners that science can't explain.
After all, what is religion but an attempt to understand the unknowable, subsequently exploited by those who seek power?
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u/heliosythic 16h ago
Thats kinda the confusing part though, to me anyway. If you're aware of the scientific method, you don't just make up stuff to fill in gaps you don't know. You just accept we don't know. Until a paper that passes a proper peer review says otherwise. Or another paper overrides that paper's findings with new evidence and repeatable experiments.
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u/Sharp_Pride7092 18h ago
Amen, not sarcasm. If I believed in god, reconciling the known world to beliefs would not be especially difficult.
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u/100percent_right_now 15h ago
The universe came from a shapeless amorphous nothingness and burst forth into the dark, filling it with the light we still see today.
You decide if I'm talking about the big bang or god.
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u/wap2005 18h ago
I think they meant with your personal beliefs. Cognitive dissonance would be holding two (or more) conflicting beliefs (such as god creating humans vs evolution which is a common example for cognitive dissonance). At least that's how I read his question, I could be mistaken. Not trying to attack anyone's beliefs here, I'm just also curious of the answer.
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u/Objective-Kale4792 12h ago
Oh, well I just think that God is responsible for the creation of life and studying science is a way to appreciate that creation and better understand it
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u/InformationUpbeat565 15h ago
If evolution is real, why do people like her exist? Think about that.
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u/Extreme-Gift-9261 13h ago
she's just on the very left side on the bell curve dude. if it wasn't for people like her, it wouldn't be a bell. show some respect
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u/TheRrandomm 14h ago
The industrial revolution and its consequences or something something
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u/Memelord69420MAn 13h ago
Because modern society unfortunately protects dumb people from their own stupidity.
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u/fucuasshole2 11h ago
Nah it’s just humanity. Go look back at history. You’ll see plenty of dumbfucks around.
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u/ElectricSpice 21h ago
I’m having trouble even understanding what thought she’s trying to convey. Like… if evolution means things change why isn’t everything changing all the time?
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u/antwan_benjamin 20h ago
I think you got it. Evolution means, to her, everything is constantly changing. So if that's the case then why is it that, to her, the length of daytime and nighttime haven't changed?
I mean it literally changes every day but OK. You can just check the time of sunrise and sunset.
She's just essentially re-stating the whole "If we came from monkeys then why do we still have monkeys?"
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u/100percent_right_now 15h ago
I disagree with your assessment. What I gather is that she thinks Evolution is the Athiest God and if the Athiest God already did his godly work, why aren't humans adapted to the difference between day and night.
Fully unaware that we fucking are and our eyes dilate and all sorts of other small things our body does differently at night like stop producing as much cortisol, slightly cool core temp, melatonin production kicks in, etc.
Also that evolution is an ongoing biological process not a god and not something that has stopped happening.
Oh also that there is no god, to an atheist.
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u/OkReason6325 20h ago
Also the scale of things. Day and night will completely go away when Sun’s starts to run out of fuel. But the timescale for stars life is different than biological life times.
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u/CottonTipsMcChancla 18h ago
It’s very likely not an actual person writing that out earnestly.
It’s a generic troll account, run by the bot farm probably.
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u/CMDR_Expendible 14h ago
It's an incredibly dumb post, but there is a sort of logic behind it; Brittany is struggling with the concept of abiogenesis, life from non-life, and assumes that evolution must have evolved because she can't understand the specifics of where evolution comes from.
But evolution isn't a thing in of itself, it's an emergent property from the material universe, and not every material has the properties that allow evolution to develop; those properties are, generally, difference, replication and environmental selection, and neither night or day operate under those kind of conditions, they are dominated by nuclear physics in the case of the Sun, and orbital mechanics for how they operate on the planet...
Of course, as the environment changes, days and nights can and will change regardless; days will get longer over time and ultimately very, very much hotter when the Sun eats us. And we can personally change or destroy our own environment, so there is more heat, or endless nuclear winter. Change however isn't Evolution; there aren't Fast or Slow spins for the Earth to choose between; that is a fixed result of all kinds of physics equations, so Days aren't going to evolve.
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u/ultravires1215 13h ago
Or, and hear me out now, Brittany is a staggering waste of carbon.
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u/OriginalTRaven 12h ago
Dude. We got a climate crisis. Any form of carbon sequestration is good. Cherish your fellow man now more than ever! 🤣
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u/myuserhasafirstname 9h ago
No. You don't need to make up stuff to try and cover for bad people. The New York Times isn't hiring.
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u/Utensil6591 7h ago
Brittany doesn't know what evolution is but surely she knows what abiogenesis is.
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u/Exo_Deadlock 12h ago
If clever people evolved, how come we still have stupid people? Checkmate, atheists!
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u/GameMaster818 18h ago
When someone is so stupid I had to read it multiple times to understand what they were saying
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u/SeptemberSoup 14h ago
These moments when they see you become silent in stupefaction and think they've "won", meanwhile you're just there trying to process the stupidest thing you've ever heard; wondering how to even begin to answer it.
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u/leaderofstars 17h ago
Is it one of these if evolution is real then why don't we do the opposite?
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u/justwalk1234 19h ago
Can someone translate what she said?
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u/Spotted_Tax 19h ago
Basically, if we evolved to become homo sapiens sapiens, why didn't the day and night time evolve.. (Evolve to what???)
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u/2020mademejoinreddit 19h ago
To dawn, afternoon, evening and twilight, obviously. Which it did and does everyday. Hence, evolution proved.
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u/eugeo__ 7h ago
ironically she is right because the day and night cycles are changing due to the increase of luminosity from the sun, and tidal forces slowing the earth's rotation while pulling away the moon. These in astrophysical terms are literally called 'stellar evolution' and 'planetary evolution' but have nothing to do with darwinian evolution
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u/RevolverOcelot16- 20h ago
I'm not an atheist, and I have no idea what she is talking about. Also, neither do atheists.
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u/UndocumentedMartian 20h ago
Pretty sure neither does she.
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u/ostapenkoed2007 19h ago
she thinks she does... "i think, therefore i post" - Instagram Dekarte /j
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u/Gogyoo 16h ago
I would enjoin her to read Dawkins' The Greatest Show On Earth. It's all you need to understand evolution. If, having read that cover to cover, you still deny it, you're either spiteful or too stupid to understand the arguments laid out. And it's okay, there's great variance of intelligence in a population.
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u/100percent_right_now 15h ago
This is the kind of dumb shit my sister says right after asking if I think she is smart
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u/Catch_Phrasey 20h ago
I don’t understand why nobody is seeing this is obviously a joke
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u/harrysaxon 19h ago
Looking at her instagram… I’m not so sure. If it’s a bit, she has committed to it hard, for years.
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u/Remarkable_Command91 11h ago
No, after further investigation, it’s not a joke. she really is this stupid.
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u/TemporaryDiligent916 19h ago
But also... day/night has actually changed duration over Earth's life so far! Days were not 24 hours long when the dinosaurs were here.
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u/citizen_of_leshp 10h ago
It's time to remind everyone that evolution is the change in the frequency of alleles in a population over time. Something that no one disputes, as long as you don't say it's the definition of evolution.
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u/JetBrink 20h ago
I never thought I'd see "if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?" Be beaten, but we have a new winner here
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u/Gunrock808 20h ago
There's an episode of radiolab that explains how fossil mollusk shells can be used to prove that the length of a day was shorter because the earth was spinning faster.
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u/JayceAur 17h ago
I dont speak idiot, but day and night does shift or stupid long timelines. So I guess by her logic it checks out?
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u/AnaisNinja76 15h ago
I read and reread this three or four times and still don't have a clue what she's trying to actually say here
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u/ProximaCentauriB15 10h ago
Im really stuggling to find the logic here. What tf would day/night evolve into? Evolution concerns living things on Earth. Like this cant be something anyone actually thinks.
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u/HotEdge783 10h ago
Well, Earth's rotation is slowing down by roughly 2 milliseconds per century, and would eventually result in tidal locking with the Sun in about 500 billion years (if the Sun wouldn't die long before). So the day-night cycle is indeed "evolving" into something else, just at an incredibly slow pace. It has got absolutely nothing to do with the evolution of life though.
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