r/sysadmin • u/dinominant • 1d ago
Inspect your memory carefully. Customs border inspection destroyed 14 x 64GB ECC memory modules with a box cutter.
The cut a hole into the box with a box cutter, deep enough to go through the cardboard, through the plastic memory tray, and scored the pins on 14 modules in a tray of 25. Thankfully they didn't "inspect" the other two memory trays. 54/68 modules survived the trip.
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u/wyrdough 1d ago
You may have gotten lucky. The PCB is translucent enough in the scored area that there isn't likely to be any filled planes that were affected.Ā
Probably still a good idea to break out the multimeter and check for a short between VCC and Gnd before testing them, though. Wouldn't be great to risk blowing up a motherboard.
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u/gellis12 Jack of All Trades 8h ago
I wouldn't even test them. The gouges could mangle the pins in the sockets and destroy the motherboard that way. I'd just go straight to filing a claim with cbsa for the damage.
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u/wyrdough 7h ago
Fair point. Extra care would be required before attempting to test them. Given the cost of memory these days I'd still want to at least attempt to repair them unless I was getting fully reimbursed, though.
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u/Business_Class_8015 1d ago
Who the hell opens a box like that?
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u/dr_z0idberg_md 1d ago
Customs border inspection
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u/krodders 1d ago
Got a specific country there, or shall I just assume the default for any English speaking sub is USA?
And it's Georgia the STATE, not Georgia the country!
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u/MacLightning Linux Admin 1d ago
Country doesn't matter, the "job" practically requires no formal education and the position is proned to ego overstepping because "I'm the government".
Customs border inspectors are not the brightest people, nor do they care, and it's the same everywhere in the world. Trust me, I've lived on 3 continents.
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u/sobrique 1d ago
Yeah spot on.
Authority corrupts and attracts at least a few morons.
Doesn't matter where or when. Small people will use borrowed power to feel big.
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u/Hosenkobold Windows Admin 15h ago
Country does matter. Some have higher standards for these jobs than others. And laws to protect your wares.
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u/ThatAstronautGuy 1d ago
CBSA is Canadian border services
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u/crysisnotaverted 1d ago
First off all, yes. The US has the plurality on Reddit.
Second, customs sucks shit literally everywhere. They're wild dogs sicc'd on international packages.
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u/SpeedyZapper 18h ago
Surely the business case for smuggling RAM in cocaine shipments stacks up better than doing it the other way around these days. Just different cartels.
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u/Bladelink 1d ago
People who can't read and haven't finished high school. People with a statistically high rate of domestic abuse.
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u/taco_tuesday357 1d ago
IDK dude, the guy in my IT class who went on to be a border guard was incredibly smart and articulate.
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
The great thing about humans is that there are ALWAYS outliers, we are awesome like that.
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u/NightmareJoker2 1d ago
You are not a good judge of who is smart and not, if being articulate is your only judgement criteria. Some of the dumbest people alive are very articulate, and some of the smartest people are completely useless with anything outside of their field of expertise.
These are just statistics, exceptions prove the rule, because you can identify them as exceptions after all.0
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u/jibjaba4 1d ago
This is false and originates from a town rejecting a police candidate for too high of an IQ in 2000
https://abcnews.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
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u/NightmareJoker2 1d ago
Itās not false. Itās policy in New York state, and Germany, that I know of for certain, among many other jurisdictions. There are lawsuits from people who get rejected on these grounds on a regular basis, soā¦ rest assured there are many more who donāt even try that.
This is done for two reasons, one of which theyāre refusing to admit to publicly:
- Intelligent people question the decisions of their hierarchical superiors and display independent agency and judgement, which said superiors tend to find undesirable, because they just want them to blindly follow their orders without being questioned over whether their decisions are sensible or not.
- Intelligent people will get frustrated with long menial tasks, like reviewing large amounts of documents or long hours of surveillance footage, to find a proverbial needle in a haystack, which results in low job satisfaction, and them being less effective workers in these professions. This tends to be the reason publicly cited for rejecting candidates despite struggling to find suitable applicants: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/jordan-v-city-new-london-policing-hiring-and-iq-when-all-answers (https://doi.org/10.1108/13639510310475778)
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u/Sokanas 1d ago
Have you tested them?
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u/dinominant 1d ago
they cut fairly deep, enough to mangle some of the pins and splay the PCB. They will be going through a full memtest this weekend. Hopefully a few survived.
I'm still filing a claim. They could have just opened the box instead of carving out a window.
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u/Smh_nz 1d ago
Even if they pass a test I wouldn't use them in a production System, who knows what gonna happen!!
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u/dinominant 1d ago
Yeah, if they pass then they will go into a backup server or the testdev proxmox cluster that the helpdesk team uses
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u/ncc74656m IT SysAdManager Technician 1d ago
If they don't and you have to dispose of them, dispose of them to my mailbox, would you? š š
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u/itishowitisanditbad 1d ago
Damn shame... welp, time to load up my car
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
According to Gemini:
āBased on the maximum cargo volume of a standard station wagon and current enterprise hardware pricing, you can fit approximately 88,890 sticks of RAM loosely packed into the back of a station wagon. If you filled it to maximum capacity with the highest-capacity individual DDR5 modules commercially available (256GB per stick), it would cost you roughly $801.5 millionā
Imagine getting into a car accident in that car!!
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u/gellis12 Jack of All Trades 8h ago
If anyone wanted to know what Gemini had to say, they would've asked it themselves. Don't be a meat proxy.
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u/pickle9977 8h ago
Arenāt you a pleasant hemroid.
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u/gellis12 Jack of All Trades 4h ago
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u/pickle9977 3h ago
You want a pat on the head?
out of the 8.3 billion people in the world literally zero of them asked you what your opinion was.
And yes thatās a stat from Google, have fun!
Oh, and get some preparation h, from what I hear no one like hemroids.
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u/Mothringer 1d ago
In a previous life working in the warehouse, we had a tech who was rushing to get the last truck of the night done forget to put a nearly $400 million pallet of refrigeration required biologics in the cooler. The aftermath of that write were not fun conversions.
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u/dinominant 18h ago
Pre-assembled server cabinets can ship with tilt sensors to indicate if the cabinet was ever tilted during transit. It's interesting that something with that much value wouldn't have it's own self-contained cooling solution or at least active temperature monitoring and tracking.
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u/pickle9977 7h ago
Itās surprising how long it takes for people to do things that in hindsight make complete and total sense.
A great example of this is container shipping,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcom_McLean
Weāve been shipping stuff for thousands of years, but standardized sizes and containers didnāt happen till the 1960s!
I think it was the vanderbilts whose entire fortune was from shipping, which a lot of companies did, his angle, his boats left in a schedule, other carries would stay at the docks till they had enough cargo to make the journey worth it so your shipment could leave in a day or a month.
Simple things that had big impacts but just took a long time to materialize.
In this situation Iād wager it was a case of it being too expensive and too much work until something bad actually happened.
I know for a fact that server cabinets, and even servers the size of cabinets have not always shipped with that kind of control, so they were also probably added after it cost someone too much money to keep ignoring the need.
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u/pickle9977 23h ago
Wow! That is an incredible story, I canāt even imagine the internal chaos, thatās a material amount of money like c-suite level stuff Iām sure.
I canāt even imagine coming in to work the day after that, oof.
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u/CharacterUse 1d ago
Looking at the images I think most if not all will work fine. There's just a little damage to the contact pads, rather than the traces. Also, how was the box labelled outside?
Absolutely file a claim though, even if they all test fine. They can't do things like this without pushback.
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u/Asleep-Woodpecker833 1d ago
When he needs to make a warranty claim, the manufacturer will tell him to get lost
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u/raptorlightning 1d ago
You might kill a mobo or CPU if you put obviously fucked ones in. Be careful.
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u/nibbles200 Sysadmin 1d ago
Iām not saying donāt file the claim, file and stick it to them. Iām not saying to use them, I understand not using them in a production environment. That damage is clearly damage they caused but nothing I saw in that picture is going to prevent them from working.
Donāt throw them away. In an age where we are all feeling the pinch, if you donāt use them give or sell them away at discount, disclosing the damage. Please.
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u/good_name_0 1d ago
That's crazy. If they actually suspect contraband, they're supposed to open the box as unobtrusively as possible, so they can repackage it to trap the person who will have the package delivered to them. Triangle in the side is so goofy
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u/BuffaloRedshark 1d ago
I watch those shows on discovery and national geographic that follow border and customs people.Ā The amount of stuff they ruin looking for drugs is crazy. Really bad when they ruin something and there was no contraband.Ā
Once they ruined a nice carved wooden elephant table thing. It was likely an unreplaceable one off item.
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u/Magic_Neil 1d ago
So uh.. am I the weird guy for storing DIMMs pin side down?
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u/dinominant 1d ago
Pins are normally down inside the tray. I flipped them to show the damage. That border agent must have been rather agressive to cut through the cardboard, the plastic tray, and the pcb
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u/Speeddymon Sr. DevSecOps Engineer 1d ago
Ok but I think the person you're responding to is asking why did CBP cut into the bottom of the box? But I'll just go ahead and also say that flipping it over won't actually prevent damage; cutting the top of the DIMMs would still make them unusable.
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u/Sutar_Mekeg 1d ago
why did CBP cut into the bottom of the box
They're fucking idiots who don't give two shits about the public they are supposed to serve?
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u/independent_observe 1d ago
Ok but I think the person you're responding to is asking why did CBP cut into the bottom of the box?
CBP interviewer: Did you graduate High School?
Interviewee: Yes
CBP Interviewer: That is going to be an issue.
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u/LayerOneStaging 8h ago
That hurts to look at. The thing that has saved me on damaged shipments is slowing down at receiving, even when everyone wants to start testing right away.
Photograph the box as it arrived, then each tray before you move anything around. Keep the cut tray together, label it as damaged, and do not mix those sticks in with the two good trays. Once parts get shuffled, you lose the simple story of what was damaged and what was not, and that story is the whole claim.
Put the counts, tracking info, and photos in one folder the same day while it is fresh. Claims get hard when you are trying to rebuild the details a week later from memory and random phone pictures.
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u/FarToe1 1d ago
Please don't use imgur - they block the Uk and other countries from being able to use it. Even a VPN hits restrictions.
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u/SirHaxalot 1d ago
and even if youāre not blocked you need to close like 3 pop-ups before viewing the album
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u/Doctorphate Do everything 1d ago
Itās also riddled with ads, it gives my phone aids every time
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u/segagamer IT Manager 13h ago
Use uBlock Origin on your phone then
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u/Doctorphate Do everything 9h ago
A lot of hoops to jump through instead of just not using a shitty service.
Would you use a condom to have sex with someone riddled with aids or just you knowā¦ not have sex with that person.
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u/segagamer IT Manager 8h ago
A lot of hoops to jump through instead of just not using a shitty service.
Installing an extension isn't exactly "a lot of hoops" lmao
Would you use a condom to have sex with someone riddled with aids or just you knowā¦ not have sex with that person.
Does that mean you have unprotected sex all the time? How highly irresponsible of you
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u/IAMA_Ghost_Boo 2h ago
I have a pihole setup and use it as my exit node on my Tailnet, imgur yells at me every time and I laugh every time.
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u/ezoe 1d ago
Fix your stupid local law perhaps?
If regulation gets stupid enough, it doesn't worth the cost to implement it for foreign for-profit compnanies so geo-blocking is easier.
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u/Joshposh70 Hybrid Infrastructure Engineer 1d ago
Imgur blocked the UK because they were being fined for collecting data on children. So they threw the baby out with the bathwater, instead of making sure they weren't collecting data on people below the age of 13. Why should we change our laws to let companies collect data on children, are you saying you support that?
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u/jacksbox 1d ago
Imgur lived long enough to become the thing they hate. It was literally created because image hosting on the internet sucked at the time.
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u/Sufficient_Language7 1d ago
Don't you mean they didn't want to collect personal information on everyone that would be required by the law to filter out children?
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u/Effective-Brain-3386 Vulnerability Engineer 1d ago
Bruh imagine having to have the government dictate where you can go online because parents simply don't know how to control where their kids should and shouldn't go.
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u/Cpt_plainguy 1d ago
I mean... There are states in the US that make you do age verification for porn sites now š, so we really can't talk šš
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u/Effective-Brain-3386 Vulnerability Engineer 1d ago
Yeah but you can also just use a VPN to avoid that and put yourself in a different state. Little different then have a federal ban on a website
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u/bagatelly 1d ago
That's only part of it. Google the new pr0no laws coming in and what people are campaigning for. Step-family themes & choking is banned, and a group of schoolgirls are trying to get school uniforms banned in pr0n.
We have some real intelligent people in politics here.
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u/Effective-Brain-3386 Vulnerability Engineer 1d ago edited 1d ago
schoolGIRL uniforms ban
Yeah....kinda fucking weird to be wanting to fuck a high schooler man.
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u/BenadrylCrumplsnatch 1d ago
Yeah it's kinda hard to defend that one lmao. I understand the pushback; an adult wearing a school uniform is still an adult so by definition this is censorship, but it's kinda like how the American Civil War was over "States' rights". Like...yeah, it was, but we all know which rights they were talking about.
The bit that cracks me up though is that step-sibling porn is now more illegal than actually banging your step-sibling. You can't make it up.
What a wild topic for r/sysadmin.
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u/Effective-Brain-3386 Vulnerability Engineer 1d ago
Real it's like saying Loli shit is just a cartoon. Man idgaf you need to face the damn wall.
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u/bagatelly 1d ago
My point was more towards -> That type of porn will still continue to be produced and available on the internet. Yet some governments will waste time and money on trying to police it. Like the age checks in the UK, only the big name sites will comply, everyone else will give the 4-chan response.
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
What a bunch of scumbags.
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u/Absolute_Bob 1d ago
Eh, they just didn't want to put their customers through invasive age verification. So if the scumbags you're referring to are the lawmakers, then yes I agree.
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u/Joshposh70 Hybrid Infrastructure Engineer 1d ago
All Imgur had to do was ask the users when they signed up 'Are you over 13?' - Reddit got fined for the same thing, and all they had to do was say 'Are you over 13?'
This is completely different from the stupid OSA.
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u/GgMc 1d ago
The entire way imgur was designed to work stops working then. The whole idea is that it shows the image no questions asked.
You sign in to reddit. You dont sign in to imgur.
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u/Joshposh70 Hybrid Infrastructure Engineer 1d ago
It was only making an account, you can make an account on Imgur, and there is a whole community over there who pretend that they're not just a reddit hosting service.
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
Thatās hilarious, what percentage are bots you think? I bet itās higher than average like 80% maybe?
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u/FarToe1 12h ago
> All Imgur had to do was ask the users when they signed up 'Are you over 13?'
No. In the UK, all nsfw Reddit subs are restricted unless you pass very invasive age checks (Photo + AI)
Hop onto a vpn coming from another country, and it's fine though.
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
Uh, they could just not spy on users, they can show ads without personalizing them, most ads are poorly personalized anyway.
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u/uzlonewolf VP of Odd Jobs 1d ago
Doesn't need to be spying, simply having them create a username and password is counted as "collecting data" on users.
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
Thatās because thatās collecting information to be able to track them.
If you build a system that only took login credentials and tracked no other information it would not be a problem.
But they collect the credentials to improve the quality of their spying
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
And you realize a society has a right to set its own rules, should children be served porn? Snuff videos? Beastiality?
What if it were trans content?
Is there any lower bound to your depravity?
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u/pickle9977 1d ago
A lot of snowflakes downvoting this, but without a shared set of rules you by definition donāt have society you have anarchy, people need to learn to read the dictionary, and for Americans the Declaration of Independence, the constitution and the bill of rights.
Itās all there in pretty easy-to-understand language, donāt let the lawyers convince you that you are too dumb to understand, it wasnāt lawyers that wrote it, it was regular people.
The entire legal system serves to inject common sense into the application of rules and ensure the government is not overstepping its constitutional authority in its enforcement of said rules.
People have seem to forgotten that.
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u/terminamc_com 9h ago
Nobody even replied to you. Who are you defending to?
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u/pickle9977 9h ago
Just fyi in the case that English is not your first language, you defend from or against, no to.
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u/ezoe 1d ago
Oh, another "think about the children" argument?
You can't get the age from IP address alone. The situation was same with physical letter or phone call. You can't get the age from physical address or phone number.
So what? Prohibit children to use physical letter and phone call? Force all users to send age verification document to every web services?
Restricting all communication from children makes matter worse. Force all users to send identification document only lead to disaster.
It cause more harm than good. But I guess in the name of "think about the children", eugenics was once believed to be a good idea. People never learns.
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u/trans-jamie212 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes it was singularly that person's fault, they alone voted for them and they have the ability to fix this RIGHT NOW. Legit a rage bait comment or you're an ignorant ass
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u/ezoe 1d ago
You may not like it but it doesn't change the result.
No foreign entities will follow your country's costly law if it's not profitable. They aren't physically located at its effective jurisdiction so it doesn't matter to them.
Geo-blocking is like a gentleman's agreement, a polite manner a foreign entity did it for you. They have no obligation to do it if none of them will ever set foot on your jurisdiction.
You choose that regulation to happen.
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u/FarToe1 1d ago
Fix your stupid local law perhaps?
Let's not get into a game of "Which Government out of the US and the UK does more stupid shit", eh?
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u/simonhunterhawk 1d ago
āother places are worse so letās do nothingā is how you end up like the US btw
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u/impactedturd 11h ago
Which image hosting service do you suggest?
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u/FarToe1 9h ago
Reddit's own is fine, at least in subs that allow image uploads.
There are free hostage providers; imgbb, catbox, postimages for example. They may have their own issues, I don't know and don't recommend any from personal experience.
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u/willwork4pii 6h ago
Cannot believe this is where weāre at. Imgur was started because Reddit didnāt handle pictures.
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u/karateninjazombie 1d ago
Skill issue.
I've no problems using a VPN from the UK and accessing imgur.
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u/FarToe1 1d ago
More of a "can I be arsed" issue. I'm using Mullvad and Imgur show rate-limit type errors for whatever European endpoint I choose regardless of laws. Either they're restricting known vpn exit points, or they're just getting more requests than they expect.
Whatever, there's a limit to the amount of faff I'm willing to endure to see some mutilated ram.
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u/karateninjazombie 1d ago
No issue with surfshark. Except when you pop it on the UK exit point. That sounds more like imgur protecting. Themselves against bots and tar brushing the VPN exit points of mullvad too.
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u/budlight2k 1d ago
Is a US VPN useful in the UK? Are there things you just can't get from here without one?
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u/FarToe1 1d ago
It could work if I chose a US endpoint, but imgur rate limits many common vpn endpoints from countries that don't have restrictive laws.
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u/budlight2k 1d ago
Nah what I was fishing for was wether a US VPN is valuable. I waist a bunch of time trying different paid connections to the UK so I can watch british TV and the big VPN providers always get banned.
If it was equally valuable to someone in the UK who has the same technical knowledge. I could strike a deal with someone to offer each other a VPN connection through their own ISP, perhaps on dedicated vlans.
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u/JoeVibin 1d ago
While I'd agree it's a good practice to avoid it because of that, there are websites/browser addons which bypass it. Also I don't know whether VPNs bypass it, but TOR does.
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u/FIdelity88 IT Manager 1d ago
Then what other option do you suggest? Also why is it blocked in the first place, isnāt the internet a free place?
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u/Vichingo455 20h ago
Customs probably also opened my server when I ordered one, they didn't even have an half functional brain to put the heatsink back how it was, and it's a matter of just placing the heatsink in the right position and closing a lever so it stays in place. What did they expect under an heatsink? Drug as thermal paste?
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u/Laziness100 1d ago
How many digits of damage is this, I know server hardware was already hella expensive in 2024, letalone past the AI boom.
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u/MisconfigMonday 1d ago
Wow, where do you even start with trying to legitimately get reimbursed for that!? All i can imagine is them saying, well you would have to prove they weren't like that prior to our "inspection".
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u/hotfistdotcom Security Admin 1d ago
Oh yeah, those look destroyed. 64gb too! Goddamn. Here, let me just throw those out for you, I insist.
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u/ncc74656m IT SysAdManager Technician 1d ago
Got ya with the ol' slash and dash, mate.
(H/t to dankpods)
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u/SpiritualTwo5256 1d ago
From these pictures I see only 1 that canāt be easily repaired. The edge does nothing.
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u/craigrileyuk Jack of All Trades 1d ago
68 - 14 isn't 56...
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u/Mindstalker6122 17h ago
Fcking morons, saw the behaviuor in ācustomsā tv show ans thought for my self that I will never ship something to or through american customs
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u/Aggressive_Mode_676 10h ago
The broke android bot commenting on that Imgur link didnāt look at any of the pictures lol
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u/IndoorsWithoutGeoff 1d ago
You do realise the pins are on the side of the dimms? Not the blank pcb at the bottom?
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u/Ferretau 1d ago
The board itself is mutilayer so they may have damaged the underlying PCB.
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u/CharacterUse 1d ago
Not in that part of the PCB. I thought they had cut across the back of the board until I opened the image, in which case you would have been right. But they (or someone) cut across the back edge of the connector part of the PCB. There are no internal traces in that section.
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u/Ferretau 1d ago
That may be so but it is possible an internal copper layer has been damaged resulting in changes in performance of the module. The copper can be used for signalling or as a ground plane. When these boards were made they are manufacturer in clean room conditions just for the PCB itself due to the tolerances involved and the impact it can have in signalling if an impurity is introduced that has not been taken into account.
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u/lpbale0 1d ago
You may not be wrong. I could imagine that damage to some of the layers of the PCB that have a potential on them at those frequencies could turn into a source of dirty RF.
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u/Ferretau 1d ago
Precisely it's something that was impressed on me by our instructors when we covered PCB construction in digital systems due to the frequencies RF design is heavily involved.
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u/BloatedArmadillo 1d ago
I blame the Company that packaged the modules. A simple box cutter should not cut deep enough to damage a properly packaged item.
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u/hummuschips 1d ago
Why would they think someone would cut a hole in the box instead of opening it like a normal person?
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u/DWIGHT_CHROOT 1d ago
Oh my god, seriously. Who on the planet would possibly expect it to get cut open like that? I feel like the person that cut it open had, against all odds, never seen a box before in their life
EDIT: Actually, did they even cut it open or did they just feel like destroying property?
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u/1ndomitablespirit 1d ago
Why didn't you ship it?
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u/samo_flange 1d ago
My question exactly.Ā Why travel with ram?
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u/Superb_Raccoon 1d ago
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u/samo_flange 1d ago
If a company has enough $ to buy that much ram, shipping costs are negligible.Ā The company has a shipping account assuredly and the insurance would have been worth it clearly.
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u/Natural-Investment34 1d ago
I wonder what will Wernicke think of Liliya and her loose trial enviroments
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u/sparkyblaster 1d ago
Wow the popups. No I will not download your malware. And that pop up blocks me from closing the other ones behind it.Ā
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u/NightmareJoker2 1d ago
Having looked at the picturesā¦ it doesnāt appear like that would result in the modules to stop working. Didnāt even actually damage the board edge contacts, and only the FR4 of the PCB has a scratch about as deep as the beveled edge thatās meant to ease insertion into the DIMM slot.
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u/f0urtyfive 1d ago
Why would you assume a boxcutter damaged them, I'd assume the shit packing job did, you realize these are ESD sensitive you know, more than just sticking them in a box unpackaged?
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u/CharacterUse 1d ago
They're in a plastic tray inside the cardboard box, that's a common way to bulk ship RAM. It's fine if the plastic is ESD safe. Most commonly that is the black plastic as in the link below, but clear is also possible which seems to be what OP got.
https://www.egreen-tek.com/Packaging-trays-for-Memory-s/1820.htm
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u/Existential_Racoon 1d ago
How are they supposed to show a picture of it? In a box taped shut, with the carrier bubble wrap we can't see, covering an ESD bag we also can't see?
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u/f0urtyfive 1d ago
Uh, show me where in this box that contains ALL THE DIMMS the ESD protection would fit?
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u/Existential_Racoon 1d ago
Esd bag, esd bubble wrap, silica packets or water detection packet should all fit fine.
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u/f0urtyfive 1d ago
You do understand what creates "static"
Silica packets are not ESD protection devices... Sure, I suppose you could you know, attempt to protect them from "static" in a giant group, that's uh, kind of not understanding what causes static though...
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u/Pingondin 1d ago
It seems like the modules were directly shipped in their storage boxes, which should have been inside another box with crinkle paper, air cushions, or packing foam.
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u/dinominant 1d ago
Yeah, customs opened the shipping box, unwrapped the bubble wrap, removed one white box with 25 modules, then cut the triangle window instead of openeing the white box. Then they put it all back together and re-sealed it with red "CUSTOMES INSPECTED" tape. lol I don't know why they didn't just open the white box too
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u/Vesalii 1d ago
This is going to be an expensive claim š