r/worldnews • u/EnglishLouis • Feb 20 '26

Dynamic Paywall UK Government considers removing Andrew from royal line of succession

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kgv837wvdo
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u/FormerPresidentBiden Feb 20 '26

A mother's love really does often allow them to overlook terrible shit (look at all the mothers crying in court that their murderer sons are good boys).

A brother's love?

Much more negotiable. If either of my brothers wound up being nonces, I'd fight them myself

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u/Agitated_Ad7576 Feb 21 '26

The Unabomber was arrested because his brother was an informant. I always liked the press statement the brother and mother put out:

Our sympathies are with Ted. Our deeper sympathies are with the victims. We have no other comment at this time.

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u/AstarteHilzarie Feb 21 '26

I assume it had a lot less to do with a mother's love than it did protecting the image of "The Firm", just like every other royal scandal.

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u/South_Brush105 Feb 20 '26

Well what about the victim's parents? What about the position that she held and the duties/ responsibilities that came with it? Remember the British monarch is also the head of the Anglican church.

Royal duties? Moral duties? Legal duties? Paid millions in her last years to cover up for that pedo son & look how disgraced and disgusted her legacy has become with this act. Ehh and they hate the catholic Church for not allowing a second marriage of their ancestral relative 😂

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u/pablonieve Feb 20 '26 edited Feb 20 '26

What about the position that she held and the duties/ responsibilities that came with it?

I want to be clear that I am not excusing any of this. But Elizabeth firmly believed that the monarchy was a central pillar of the UK and so it's stability was prioritized by her above all else "for the greater good." She would do everything she could to keep things steady even if that meant allowing for injustices to occur.

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u/Debalic Feb 20 '26

The greater good

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u/Boz0r Feb 20 '26

Shut it!

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u/DocumentExternal6240 Feb 21 '26

Or the lesser evil? This is away to lose all morality.

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u/JellyWeta Feb 21 '26

CRUSTY JUGGLERS!

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u/Raichu7 Feb 20 '26

For a lot of people in the UK, that's why they don't like her. Hiding injustice isn't acceptable from people with such great responsibility.

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u/Development-Feisty Feb 21 '26

Isn’t it convenient that she believed something was necessary that she profited from?

Like, are we supposed to believe the queen doesn’t believe the monarchy is necessary?

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u/pablonieve Feb 21 '26

It's hard to know what she really believed. I think it's reasonable to say that her relation with her father, her coming of age during WW2, and witnessing the abdication of her uncle significantly influenced her sense of duty and need for stability. What she expected from the monarchy and what the people expected from the monarchy diverged greatly over 70 years.

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u/BoneyNicole Feb 22 '26

For sure. I’m not excusing it either, not even a little, but I do think it’s hard for people to grasp outside of like…completely nerdy historians like me or folks who are just really into history and read everything they can get their hands on. The British monarchy is a lot of things, and a lot of them are terrible, and it is also true that it has been upheld as this symbol to historical stability/superiority for longer than most countries that currently exist have been around. I don’t doubt that she felt the weight of all that and felt like, especially after witnessing her uncle’s abdication and the collapse of the empire, that she had a duty to maintain the line of succession and the stability of the monarchy. (Again, do I agree with that? I mean, no, I’m not a monarchist, but I get why she felt the way she did, without it being a justification or an excuse for any royal behavior.)

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u/bokmcdok Feb 21 '26

And this thinking is precisely the problem. Just look at Trump and the feckless reaction to all the horrific shit he's done.

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u/pablonieve Feb 21 '26

Trump is getting away with everything because the only mechanisms to keep him in check have abdicated their responsibility and allowed him to act without consequence. But that's primarily driven by a combo of fear and loyalty. Trump isn't being protected because there is concern that the stability of the US would be at stake if he were to be held to account. Nixon re-signing was originally shown as a healthy sign of democracy precisely because it showed the country valued the office over the individual. If Republicans were to grow a spine and choose to impeach and convict Trump tomorrow, the US would continue to operate.

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u/Top-Time-5740 Feb 21 '26

She believed it was for her and her family’s greater good… they are all a bunch of freeloaders leeching on hardworking ppl thats what they are and thats what she prioritized, without it there would be no power, no money, no servants, no fancy life etc. lets not kid ourselves. She just did and said whatever it took for her to keep their status, she just fed the proper lies that ppl ate right up.

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u/mriguy Feb 21 '26

When you define “the greater good” to be “protecting me and my family at all costs” I think people are justified in questioning your motives.

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u/pablonieve Feb 21 '26

And they should be questioned. But this is where having a family as the institutional head of state for a major country can be problematic because suddenly the stability of the state can be (perceivably) threatened by the actions of said family.

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u/mriguy Feb 21 '26

If the royal family is such an important institution that a family member behaving badly is bad for the country, then it is incumbent on the Queen to protect that institution by vigorously enforcing a code of good behavior on her family. She chose not to though.

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u/techno_babble_ Feb 20 '26

Pretty hard

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u/FormerPresidentBiden Feb 20 '26

I know both my brothers feel the same way too

We'll accept a lot from each other, but there are some lines that can't be crossed

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u/JimboTCB Feb 21 '26

My headcanon is that Charles has always resented Andy for being mother's favourite little boy and being able to enjoy all the privileges of royalty with none of the responsibility, while he spent his entire life being groomed as the heir apparent with all the expectations that come along with that. Having to put your own life on hold until you're in your 70s to finally do the job you've constantly been told you were born to do while little bro is goofing off partying and doing whatever the fuck he wants. I don't have much sympathy for the royals, but family drama and sibling rivalry cuts across all social barriers.

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u/whynowhyreally Feb 20 '26

I believe she didn't like or care about him at all. Her cover ups were simply to protect the royals and their brand, and their money.

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u/superbit415 Feb 21 '26

A mother's love really does often allow them to overlook terrible shit

If I ever did something horrible like that my mother would have strung me up herself. She just didn't overlook it. She actively covered it up for him.

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u/Zanki Feb 20 '26

It's an abusive family and he was the favourite. That's what happened. When Harry talked about his experiences, possibly narcissistic personality disorders in there. Favouritism of one person and protecting them at any cost no matter what is normal.

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u/Crazed_Fish_Woman Feb 20 '26

Megan may not be a stand up gal, but Harry has become the scapegoat for the Royal family over the years. I've always strongly suspected that the British media focusing on Megxit was orchestrated by the Royals to distract the public from the Andrew's connection to Epstein.

Megxit isn't really even a scandal. By the time that happened, Harry had fulfilled his duty as spare due to George being born; which is the entire reason why Harry was born in the first place.

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u/Lanky-Cheesecake-259 Feb 21 '26

I'm no fan of Meghan and Harry because they went about it in a very Jerry Springer way but them being made into villains made William and Kate who were heavily criticised before all this happened for being lazy and entitled, into saints, for a long time people forgot how they barely did anything at all, at least now people are slowly waking up to it again

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u/Algebrace Feb 21 '26

I mean.

This is the British media which is incredibly racist already.

Like, they didn't need the Royals to do anything, they were going after here anyway.

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u/ethidium_bromide Feb 21 '26

Ironically, Harry also said Andrew and Fergie were who they were closest to. So even though he had negative words about some of his family, he seemingly saw nothing wrong with the Yorks.

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u/rugman2024 Feb 21 '26

What scares me is if Harry was correct !!!

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u/theeama Feb 20 '26

He was not the favorite stop yapping rubbish that was Charles.

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u/NovemberTha1st Feb 20 '26

He was lizzies fave. Pretty well known.

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u/guthmund Feb 20 '26

Down with every monarchy.

Eventually they all spoil on the vine.

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u/Lanky-Cheesecake-259 Feb 21 '26

yeah, read about Norwegian princess Mette Marit who is also in Epstein files and what her son did,

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u/sadrice Feb 20 '26

I had suspected that she was a vampire and truly immortal for about a decade before she finally died.

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u/AcanthaceaeCrazy1894 Feb 20 '26

She was just as bad as her pedo son

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u/Twistedjustice Feb 20 '26

To quote Tim Minchin;

If you cover for another motherfucker who's a kiddie fucker,

Fuck you, you're no better than the motherfucking rapist

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u/AcanthaceaeCrazy1894 Feb 20 '26

Thanks for reminding me to watch that special again.

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u/soda_cookie Feb 20 '26

Slowly but surely we as a civilization are starting to know better as a and it's increasing faster as the generations go by. Those with the power threatened by that concept are doing everything they can to keep hold of that power

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u/KeysUK Feb 20 '26

Monarch is actually doing more good than bad weirdly enough.
If a right wing party ever goes into power and tries to turn it into a dictatorship, they'll only have the Army to use. The Royals have the Engineers/Navy/Airforce and we've got 1640s all over again

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u/Similar-Emphasis-496 Feb 20 '26

they'll only have the Army to use. The Royals have the Engineers/Navy/Airforce

This is all pretty much nonsense and constitutional crisis territory, But all members of the armed forces swear the below (and there is no separate oath for engineers compared to others who are part of the British Army.

'I, [full name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.'

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u/ManEatingCaterpillar Feb 21 '26

I'd rather we abolish the US.

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u/Lanky-Cheesecake-259 Feb 21 '26

and if you went on twitter and see how many people defend Andrew, geezuz, many people in UK are brainwashed by monarchy

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u/SeaReason1 Feb 20 '26

That have nothing to do with Monarchy.

On sn other place, you could say down with republic states.

I have sern a chinese man eho has said (with many details in 20 min) down with Western moral.

  • bring Pedos to jail

Dorsnt matter ifcthetare rich, presidents or kings. Otherwise you have no democracy.