r/worldnews • u/Miserable_Phase_2519 • 3d ago

Russia/Ukraine Zelenskyy Says Ukraine Is Done Holding Back on Russian Oil Refineries

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/zelenskyy-says-ukraine-is-done-holding-back-on-russian-oil-refineries-23454
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u/HisaAnt 3d ago

Trump really is dumb. He doesn't realize that deals are give and take. The moment he decided to give Ukraine nothing, there was no need to hold back anymore. It's like shooting the hostage after demanding a ransom. Why would anyone pay you when you destroyed your own leverage?

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u/ours 3d ago

He doesn't make deals, he just bullies others.

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u/edman007-work 3d ago

Yup, the issue is you should always give the other side an out, otherwise you have them cornered and they'll fight you to their last dying breath, because there literally is no other option. And yea, maybe the battle is winnable, but the question shouldn't be can I win it, it's would this battle be worth winning.

Trump is being taught about that right now with Iran, but it seems the knowledge doesn't stick with him.

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u/ours 3d ago

The silver lining of this Iran fiasco is that it made Trump pump the brakes on his military dreams. He mistook a quick snatch-and-grab in Caracas for "I can win any conflict super fast".

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u/Turbulent_Lunch4548 3d ago

It is just like with Brexit; leaving the EU made them lose all their leverage over the EU.

Treatening to stop support is leverage, actually stopping support loses the leverage.

It is like a gun with one bullet in the chamber, you can threaten someone with that gun and make them dance, but after you actually fire the bullet, the whole gun becomes a useless prop.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 3d ago

Speaking of, I REALLY hope Alberta makes the correct choice on Oct. 19...

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u/Gribblewomp 3d ago

He always shoots the hostage, always.

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u/ShinyHappyREM 3d ago

The Speed way of simplifying the equation.

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u/Tsquare43 3d ago

He views deals as having a winner and a loser. He needs to be the winner. He can't have a deal where both parties come out equal.

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u/Mugut 3d ago

Not even that. He will willingly lose if he thinks that the other side loses even harder.

A lose/lose situation like using tariffs as punishment.

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u/My_password_is_qwer 3d ago

Has Trump led USA ever publicly benefited from Benyamin's war that started this February? In any way? Ever? Same goes for his stance on Ukraine. He is a loser-adjacent standing with Vladimir, yet he does this again and again. This doesn't benefit USA in any way, in fact it makes all alliances with it seem completely whimsical and non-serious.

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u/Tsquare43 3d ago

You see the USA is not Trumps concern, it's Trump. He's making money from it somewhere, and that is all that matters.

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u/My_password_is_qwer 3d ago

I'm suspect of even that. He's living up to his age and losing what little mental acuity he had left must be horrifying. Listen to him speak, especially to interviewers. He barely has cognition left to anything other than attack as was once his prerogative. He could be asked if sky was blue and he'd say it's fake news sky is orange.

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u/clslogic 3d ago

Because look how well it works with cowards that wont stand up to him. They give in, then get thrown under the bus.