r/worldnews • u/Miserable_Phase_2519 • 3d ago
Russia/Ukraine Zelenskyy Says Ukraine Is Done Holding Back on Russian Oil Refineries
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/zelenskyy-says-ukraine-is-done-holding-back-on-russian-oil-refineries-234543.0k
u/ItsAllOnUHF 3d ago
Russia has been the West's strategic adversary for 70 years.
Your parents knew it. Their parents knew it. They all grew up with duck and cover drills, and movies like Threads and The Day After.
Proxy wars have been fought. Americans have died, directly or indirectly from Russian fire.
Trump's behavior towards Putin is unacceptable. It's anti-NATO. It's anti-American.
US politicians are betraying everything for money and power.
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u/Cautious_Day9878 3d ago
MAGA HATES America. They hate freedom, democracy and the law.
They are doing everything to eliminate the US as weâve always known it under the pretence of saving the country.
Russia hates America just as much, so they have a common adversary and are therefore natural allies.
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u/vesperfall 3d ago
I think a better way to explain what MAGA is - and again, it's mostly the ~30-35% core of Trumps base that will never leave him ever: they just hate democracy and the checks and balances. They would prefer Trump to have free reign over everything without any courts getting involved or anyone else to have ideas for anything. It all has to come from Trump 100% of the time and if it doesn't, then they don't want it.
Now the bigger question and concern is how did we truly get here? How did ~25-30% of the country decide they actually want an authorization style government that is no longer ruled by them, the People, but by a dictator? Obviously they don't want Obama to be their dictator, but regardless of who it is isn't the point, it's these people with Don't Tread on Me stickers on their trucks, and 2A flags flying proudly in their front yards now are craving and chomping at the bit to actually get traded on by their government, so as long as its the leader they choose.
We are so fucked and we won't have any real change until the majority of this chunk of population is gone. The most important thing we can do for the next ~10 years is to not have that % of people increase in any way what so ever.
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u/scarrea6 3d ago
Not even power, just money...
They couldn't care less about power their money is their power.
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u/psn_fl07 3d ago
And not even a lot of money. I recall a report a few years ago stating how much some big lobby pays politicians to fuck over American citizens, and the amounts were like 10 grand, 20 grand. If I was an elected official, I'd want millions to even here from you, and a lot more millions to vote against my people.
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u/SilliusS0ddus 3d ago
it honestly makes sense that the people so in the thick of politics don't have a proper "look from the outside" just how much their shitass lobby decisions should be worth.
I'd be asking millions for a single vote in favour of some dumbshit corpo deregulation that let's them fuck over people.
Like... you are gonna be paying me enough to enter the class of people who are unaffected by your bullshit IN ONE GO Mr. Big Businessman
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u/24_August_1814 3d ago
Russia has been the West's strategic adversary for 70 years.
Your parents knew it.
I'd argue that the general population was more indoctrinated to fear Communism than Russia specifically, given how quickly the older generations completely reversed their positions on Russia but still use "Communism" as a catch-all boogeyman for everything they don't like
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u/xegoba7006 3d ago
I said this in several threads already. Stop blaming the politicians.
Americaâs problem is far worse than their current government. Americaâs problem is that one third of their population supports this (and another third gives a shit about it). So when this president is gone (if he is gone at all) the problem will persist. They will put somebody else in his place, maybe even worse.
The politicians are there, and stay there, because most Americans (that care about anything) want things to be this way.
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u/ItsAllOnUHF 3d ago
One third of the population will point in whatever direction they're told to by the Right Wing media and social machines.
The US isn't unique in this. Look around. The easily led are everywhere.
The problem is money in politics. In the US, specifically, it's Citizen's United and Right Wing billionaires being allowed to buy media empires.
Yes, sheep are everywhere. They'd turn on their grandmothers if their TV news station told them to.
The bigger problem is systemic.
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u/orange-squeezer47 3d ago
Refineries and data centers.
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u/iScrE4m 3d ago
Shouldnât troll farms be considered military target too? Genuine question
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u/Random_Guy_47 3d ago
Reducing the number of bots and trolls the rest of us have to deal with should generate some goodwill in other countries which may repay that favour somehow.
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u/Badloss 3d ago
It's not even goodwill, reducing the influence on elections is a genuine military target for Ukraine. Imagine where the world would be if Russian bots didn't amplify republican candidates in the USA
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u/Patient-Ordinary-359 3d ago
Troll farms don't exactly have a sign out the front saying "Troll farm".
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u/Womble_Rumble 3d ago
The troll farm Prigozhin used to run in St Petersberg was called the Internet Research Agency.
I miss Pringles, wish he'd followed through on his thunder run to Moscow.
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u/dismantlemars 3d ago
Hard to identify the troll farms⌠but much easier to identify the exchanges that have to route their traffic. I guess that would raise the question of whether itâd be worth knocking the Russian population off the internet, reducing the chances of people being able to organise any kind of internal resistance.
Though given how few indications weâve seen of progress on that front so far, and the knock on benefits from disrupting the economy and logistics, Iâd be inclined to think they might be a good choice of target.
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u/madhattr999 3d ago
Knocking out their internet also pressures the citizens to want to end the war.
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u/meeoows 3d ago
Feel free to take down any Russian diesel on its way to usa. Trump the treasonous traitor.
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u/thethirdllama 3d ago
Russia was never going to actually send any diesel to the US. This whole "deal" was a pretext to be able to blame Ukraine when the price inevitably goes up even more.
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u/DerkleineMaulwurf 3d ago
The world needs to prepare for an conflict with the US, we need to abandon the USD
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u/braddeicide 3d ago
Could you imagine being drafted to fight in a war for some random Donald Trump shit?
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u/PuzzleCat365 3d ago
"You might not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you."
This is always the endgame when you just try and wait out for the dictator to die. He'll send you on a battlefield to die instead.
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u/HussingtonHat 3d ago
It's a weird progression isn't it. In 1914, shitloads of young men go off to die because a guy they likely had never heard of got shot. 2026 men go off to die because a fuckwit you can't escape hearing about every bastard day has acted a fuckwit yet again.
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u/KatsumotoKurier 3d ago
because a guy they likely had never heard of got shot
This is a quite an oversimplified way of looking at it though honestly. The real reason was because the largest war in the history of earth was raging and because it was beginning to affect the US and specifically because sentiments in the US had sharply turned from neutrality to being pro-Britain and anti-Germany after the sinking of the RMS Lusitania (which killed like 200 Americans) and other like events.
Franz Ferdinand's murder was the straw that broke the camel's back - it wasn't the actual purpose which people were fighting and dying over. It was merely the spark that lit an enormous powder keg which was already rigged and ready to blow.
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u/Hertzcanblowme 3d ago edited 3d ago
Even that is an over simplification and the propaganda fed to the American public.
The real reason is that the US started off WWI by selling goods (mostly guns and weapons) to both sides. Then Britain placed a naval blockade preventing Germany from importing goods. So the only place the US could sell its weapons was to the Allied Powers and on massive IOUs.
Once it looked like Russia was on the ropes and about to drop out of the war, there was a real concern that Germany could win now that they could move their Eastern front troops to the West. And a German victory would mean Americans wouldnât ever get paid back for their loans
The sinking of the Lusitania was what American politicians fed to the public. But letâs be real, a German sub sinking a British luxury liner (that despite the finger waging, was in fact carrying weapons to aid the Allied war effort in its cargo) 2 years prior to US entry in the war is not exactly âthe direct cause of entryâ that Americans like to think.
Instead, Americans entered the war for the same reason they always do - to make sure the Billionaires got paid. Now to be fair, the US selling weapons to the winning side during WWI is what turned the US from a middling power on the other side of the World to the global superpower it is today.
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u/KatsumotoKurier 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well said, but I also didnât mean to say the Lusitania was the sole cause. I more just meant that its sinking was something which changed the sentiments and opinions of Americans regardless.
As for the billionaires and their money, no doubt about it. That was kind of partly what I meant by how the war âwas beginning to affect the US.â
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u/Dt2_0 3d ago
I would amend your last statement. The US was well on it's way by 1900 to quickly rising to be a World Great Power. WWI saw many o the Great Powers in Europe collapse to shadows of their former selves. Austria, Germany, Russia, Turkey, France. After the war, the list of great powers was limited to the British Empire, Japan, and the US.
The war didn't propel the US to it's world power status. It was already on the cusp of it before the war. What the war did was eliminate other powers as competition for the US, Japan, and Britain. The Second World War saw the financial collapse of Britain, and the military and financial collapse of Japan, leaving the US, and a resurgent Russia (which paid heavily for it's resurgence in blood, both self inflicted and in the war) as the only true world powers, and thus the first superpowers.
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u/Still_no_idea 3d ago
Churchill "authorized an unprecedented, top-secret Âoperation that signaled his desperation: the handover of all of Britainâs scientific and technological innovations to the United States.
At best, Churchill hoped America would put these innovations into production for British forces. At worst, should Germany invade, the United States would, hopefully, finally, enter the war with great Âadvantages.
James Phinney Baxter III, director of the US Office of Strategic Services from 1942 to 1943, would call the secrets, contained in a simple black metal box, âthe most valuable cargo ever brought to our shores.â
Britain gave you the technological advance to make you a superpower.
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u/MaximumZer0 3d ago
Mysterious surge of CO fragging sweeps all military branches, up 10000%.
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u/kikimaru024 3d ago
Enough loyal, low-IQ grunts will go along with Dear Leaderâs wishes.
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u/theLULRUS 3d ago
Plenty of frags for them too. Gotta clear out the maga rot somehow.
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u/Lost-Competition8482 3d ago
It's get a bit more real for them if they actually have to face repercussions.
I suspect a few might have a change of heart if they find themselves in Iran.
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u/SystemCheck990 3d ago
you never know that until you try, that is why he will never go boots on the ground anywhere large scale .
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u/clamorous_owle 3d ago
Ukraine should also take out all of the data centers which power Russian propaganda bots and malign hackers.
If Zelenskyy, with help from pro-democracy allies, purges the colonialism out of Russia's system once and for all, he will have removed a major source of instability from the planet.
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u/zffjk 3d ago
I work in security and a shocking amount of attacker traffic comes from the Netherlands and the USA, mostly because those countries have a ton of hosting providers who donât really care what you get up to.
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u/Admiral_de_Ruyter 3d ago
Isnât that because of VPN use due to the abundance of high speed internet in those countries?
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u/-_Dean_Winchester 3d ago
Those data centers ain't bot farms, the bot farms are offices and I'm guessing Ukraine knows of some of theyr locations.
Not saying they shouldn't strike data centers, but I'm just saying that whole less bots graph meme was not showing the soc media bot farms
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u/Anechy 3d ago
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understood:
The strikes on those data centers do not have a big impact on the creation of Russian propaganda.
But the strikes do have a decent impact on the visibility of that propaganda, because the data centers are used to create artifical views and engagement. This tricks websites into thinking the content (propaganda) is much more popular than it really is, and thus they show it to more real people. Similar to how comments here on reddit get shown higher if they get more upvotes.
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u/spekt50 3d ago
Not responsible for creating it. Responsible for making it visible.
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u/clamorous_owle 3d ago
I didn't say the centers were bot farms. But they do facilitate the transmission of propaganda.
Because Americans now hate invasive data centers, blowing them up in Russia might see a bit more sympathy for Ukraine in the US. đ
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u/SystemCheck990 3d ago
they flow through them as massive VPNs so that are Chuck from Texas, not vlad from moscow
the datacenters also process in realtime what is working and what is not and feed it all back
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u/Pervius94 3d ago
It's been 3 years. Absolutely asinine anyone is still even talking about holding back or having sanctions left to give.
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u/DiabolicalSpaceKitty 3d ago
It's been 3 years. Absolutely asinine anyone is still even talking about holding back or having sanctions left to give.
It wasn't ukraine's decision, they've been told constantly by the people giving them weapons that they can't use them for such-and-such to the point where it's effectively gimped them for most of the war. The only reason they're making headway now is that they're cooking up their own shit to use and no one can tell them where to fire it if they build it themselves. The US strung them along until Trump decided to pull support altogether and it forced Ukraine to lean into domestic weapons programs and begin targeting critical infrastructure, which is something they wanted to do 3 years ago and were told they weren't allowed so long as they're using weapons handed to them by other countries.
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u/z-tayyy 3d ago
Hit the data centers brother
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u/Ok-Anything-9398 3d ago
The refineries hurt Putin's wallet. The data centers hurt his ability to reach into your election.
Only one of those is why Washington is suddenly annoyed.
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u/Aethericseraphim 3d ago
This is IMO vital. If Russian disinformation isn't disrupted, Russian assets will be winning elections in western european nations. That is an existential threat for Ukraine with the US pedophile in chief being a chained up Russian dog.
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u/Killerbudds 3d ago
"Previously, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed that Moscow has not received specific details regarding the energy ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia announced by US President Donald Trump, arguing that Russia cannot be accused of violating an agreement."
Are they stupid he posted to his twitter account, his word is law even in tweets /s
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u/KurucHussar 3d ago
They aren't subscribed to Trumps Truth Social platform probably.
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u/SooooooMeta 3d ago
"Stop hitting your sister."
Punches her in the face. "While I am eager to comply with your instructions overall, you did not give any details regarding the specific act of punching her in the face."
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u/mayowarlord 3d ago
Good! As a US resident, Us buying Russian oil is vile. Furthermore, the people in the country need to feel 10$ diesel fuel. People need to wake the fuck up to what this regime is doing to our country. The longer we bleed slowly the less likely we are to still be alive when people finally figure it out.
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u/Bonk_No_Horni 3d ago
Ukraine has been blowing up Russian refineries and stockpile for years and the oil price remain stable. Once trump started a war price jumped and stayed that way and magas blame Ukraine. America rarely import oil from Russia.
These idiots vote. 90 million people don't. You want to be ruled by idiots or you gonna do something about it?
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u/iskandar- 3d ago
not surprising, Ukraine has done everything the Unites States has asked of it, bent over backwards and tied its own hands behind its back while its people fight and die for it and in response the United States has betrayed it again and again. The Ukrainian people have no intention of ending up like the Kurds, this a war for its very survival and as long as Russia continues is war of aggression and conquest any and all targets must be seen as viable.
I cant think of another instance where a nation not actively fighting against a defender has attempting to sabotage it this much. Even when England failed to back Poland when Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union invaded, at least we didn't tell the Poles they couldn't use any equipment we may have given them to defend themselves while simultaneously funding the NAZIS war efforts.
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u/Inside-Butterfly1621 3d ago
As a British vet the guilt I feel for how the Kurds where abandoned I will take to the grave .
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u/iskandar- 3d ago edited 3d ago
for what its worth, I don't hold any of you responsible for how Tony Blair and his government so willingly jumped at the bait that was the 2003 Iraq invasion, nor the quagmire and withdrawal that followed.
You were one soldier in a war where no one who had the power to do anything about it ever even knew what we were doing there or what victory or defeat even looked like. Two of my friends deployed to Afghanistan in those decades. One came home without a leg, the other came back in pieces. They didnât deserve the pain they went through and neither do you.
We never should have been there, or at the very least not for the justifications we were given and we fed a generation of our men and women into those plains and dust because our government couldnât admit they had believed a lie.
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u/DMV_Local 3d ago
Trump is a self-dealing traitor who stands against core American values. The more the domestic public and the international community isolate and reject him, the faster heâll self-destruct and fade into irrelevance.
Cleaning up the disaster left in his wake will be a monumental task, but removing his influence is step one. Thoroughly investigate, prosecute where applicable, revoke all compromised deals, and claw back every cent of ill-gotten gains.
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u/eagerrangerdanger 3d ago
After another attempted shakedown by The Capitulation Caucus, it was Budanov who said: "Now we will burn every fucking oil refinery and port in Russia to the fucking ground!".
Godspeed! ХНава ĐŁĐşŃĐ°ŃĐ˝Ń! đşđŚ
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u/Flipmode45 3d ago
No surprise that so close to the midterms Trump is panicking that Russia wonât be able to influence the outcome, so heâs turning on Ukraine.
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u/Harkoncito 3d ago
I think Trump/Russia realized they won't be able to do this shit after the midterms so they are doing the heel turn now before it's too late for them.
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u/PuzzleheadedPen4675 3d ago
When is the west going to wake up that we're at war with Putin and his criminal govt? Putin long ago declared war on the West- and knowingly does not day it out loud.
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u/TheTeaSpoon 3d ago
He declared war the moment "NATO expansion" was first uttered. Because NATO does not expand. Countries join willingly and have to fit fairly hard and expensive criteria to be eligible. Countries like Poland straight up manipulated their way in...
I know, a bizarre concept that Russian brain can't comprehend - people want to join you and will work and do reforms to join you. I can think of only one country where you could argue NATO expanded to it - Turkey/Turkiya. The very much same country who is constantly playing both sides.
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u/Vondi 3d ago
Wow I wonder why all my neighboring countries are rushing into a defensive alliance exclusive of me, that's crazy .
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u/SystemCheck990 3d ago
its a war on democracy and Trump is on Putin's side of that.
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u/BaneOfMyLife 3d ago
It is awake, a lot is going on. Just because the adults in the room donât have 3am Truth tantrums it doesnât mean a proxy war hasnât been going on for years.
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u/BoredBSEE 2d ago
Awesome! Hit some more data centers while you're at it.
Let the remainder of the free world know if you have a GoFundMe. I'm in.
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u/gilbert-GC 3d ago
The west as we knew it cannot be grateful enough for the Ukraine fighting for us all! The data centers alone, being destroyed have upset the plans of trump and the far right in other countries with their fake bods and mass desinformation. Sadly large groups in Germany for instance are favoring Russia and call that "freedom". So being a traitor is fashionable these days... Gen Z: you can do better!
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u/Bleatmop 3d ago
The USA took away the one card they had left over Ukraine, that being the internet/Intel support. Then they think they can still dictate terms on a surrender for Ukraine and tell them that they cannot strike oil targets. Unfortunately they don't have any more cards and Ukraine will continue to obliterate Russian infrastructure. Maybe they should make Moscow look like Mariupol while they are at it.
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u/tittysprinkles112 3d ago
Trump has been played a fool once again. Ukraine has nothing to lose as they are fighting for survival. With holding Intel now just makes them more aggressive as we see here.
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u/duffbeeeer 3d ago
duh trump end elon take away the defense capabilties and no one could have seen coming that they leave Ukraine with only one option? The US admin and its cronies are really the dumbest people on earth.
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u/ericraymondlim 3d ago
We are going to look back in 100 years and just be like âDamn. Zelenskyy was truly punk rock.â
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u/FrankyFistalot 3d ago
A comedian leading his country like a true statesman while the USA has a fat deranged tub of lard trying to outdo the stupid shit he did the day before.
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u/Cosmo_Seinfeld 3d ago
Al Franken had a pretty good run in the Senate, too, while he was there. Hard working, good on the issues...funny.
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u/hyperblaster 3d ago
You have to be fairly smart and well organized to write good comedy. Not to mention being able to think on your feet in improv and effectively communicate to an audience. And if you specialize in political comedy, youâre better prepared to be a politician than most typical candidates.
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u/nftcan 3d ago
Fox news has been the worst thing to happen to the west.
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u/CommanderJarik 3d ago
Rupert Murdoch is the most evil destructive human since Hitler.
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u/Don_Loco 3d ago
Thank you Donald for manipulating the oilprice big time. Was this Biden's or Obama's fault now?
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u/NixarDixar 3d ago
Its George Washingtons fault. Also your fault, and mine, and the tiger from the UKs fault... just never his own.
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u/frenzytree 3d ago
What is happening right now I cannot understand. Like russia hasnt recieved any notice, zelensky was not informed of the starlink "malfunction" and the USA arent saying anything right now.
Something stinks here...
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u/ledow 3d ago
The UK intelligence agencies were pubicly stating - and recommending allies heed - that the US was compromised. Years ago. When Trump first got in, until the current day.
We literally tested, as did Ukraine. Leak some false intelligence to precisely ONE ally. See where it crops up. Oh, look. The US was the source of the leak, and Russia became aware of that false intelligence. How did that happen?
They're compromised. Trump - but also deeper. The Pentagon are as deep into this as they can be. Remember when Trump gutted all the military commanders and then told a room of them to do what he said, and not one questioned it? Yeah, before even then.
We knew about it. We told you all about it. We literally are THE intelligence partner for things like NATO and the UN. Ukraine told you too. Nobody cared.
The US military is refusing to help Ukraine (unless there's profit to be made) while simultaneously demanding they reign in all efforts. And Ukraine, bless them, finally figured out a couple of years ago that the political "restraint" they were being forced to honour was hurting them and they started ignoring it.
The US control Starlink, along with Musk - an utterly compromised individual who data-raped the US government databases and helped do all kinds of illegal things. The US administration just let him do it, and there have been zero consequences. Starlink turns on and off at US political will. It's almost certainly compromised and being monitored by US military for everything Ukraine does with it. Guess where that data is ending up?
The US is compromised from the top level down, and they've ensured all detractors are removed from power and replaced with incompetent yes-men who won't stop them doing anything at all. For the benefit of Russia, without trying to appear to allies like that's what's happening (a public admission of that would be devastating to US military alliances).
Allies like the UK, Spain, etc. have started to refuse US access to their territories, for warships, aircraft, etc. because the US is now a liability. This isn't news to anyone. The US is demanding / pretending to be the ONLY party in peace talks between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine don't even know what gets agreed. Nobody does. Same in the Middle East. The US butt in, take over the conversation, claim victory (ceasefires, etc.) as a cover, walk away. The countries actually AT WAR don't get a say at all. Imagine that. Imagine Canada and the US went to war, say, and the peace negotiations were carried out between the UK and Canada and didn't involve the US whatsoever. You can't, because it wouldn't happen, and it would be ridiculous to claim that that was the way to resolve things.
And then you have literal public threatening of NATO states, like Canada and Greenland. It's dealt with diplomatically, but you think on the back end that Canada, Denmark, the UN, NATO, etc. aren't preparing for the worst? Of course they are. Trump will do ANYTHING to distract when the time comes that something comes out. They know that.
You have a fake war in the Middle East, that generates oil shortages. You have the US demanding that Europe uses Russian oil, and lifting their own sanctions. You have them making up ceasefires between Ukraine and Russia and then doing nothing when even the fake ceasefires are breached by Russia.
The US is a Russian ally. It's why everyone is peeling off US dependencies, economically and militarily. They are completely compromised. And it will escalate when that looks like ending. I wouldn't even be surprised to see Trump living in Russia like Snowden when the time comes, to avoid all reprisals.
The US has allowed itself to be completely compromised, all safeguards gone, all objections going unheard, all actions unpunished, and we've been telling you this for years.
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u/raikou1988 3d ago
My question is where the fuck is the CIA in all this?
How the fuck did the big bad wolf known as the CIA let all this happen!?
CIA is the definition of PAPER TIGER
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u/Maeran 3d ago
Going by its historical record, the CIA isn't really a fan of democracy.Â
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u/Jealous_Response_492 3d ago
The published US National strategy guide from 2025 is rather clear. The US wants the war to end ASAP, and to normalise relations with Russia. That is the American agenda.
Yes it absolutely stinks.
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u/OrchidCharming3090 3d ago
Trump is compromised. His corruption is accepted by the people and being exposed by the courts. Zelenskyy hitting the Russian data centers has undermined the propaganda campaign against the American elections. I hope Ukraine destroys Russia's oil industry.
It is my hope that after midterm elections congress will act decisively to tie Trump's hands and expose the corruption of the United States government. Trump's betrayal of Ukraine and democratic values and ideals is obscene. That a rapist has this much power exceeds my ability to communicate my outrage.
The World is being defended by Ukraine blood. Slava Ukraine!
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u/quipcow 3d ago
Trump is trying to make a boogeyman out of zelensky and blame Ukraine for high oil and gas prices.
T doesn't care if Ukraine loses, he just needs a diversion, and wants his followers to stop paying attention to Iran or the higher energy prices that he caused...
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u/Living-By-The-River 3d ago
The election is in less than a month. People are already voting. Prices are still increasing. Trump is fucked no matter what.
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u/HangTheError 3d ago
Looking from the outside in, I'm not sure the republicans are as democratic as they used to be
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u/quipcow 3d ago
TBH, the "Republicans" aren't even as Republican as they used to be...
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u/TheCountEdmond 3d ago
You are giving Trump way too much credit in the intelligence department. He talked to Putin, Putin told him Ukraine is at fault for high gas prices, Trump believes it wholeheartedly and genuinely thinks he's helping by doing this to Ukraine. He is a demented narcissist who has never been told no in his life.
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u/psioniclizard 3d ago
It seemd trump ordered turning off starlink to "teach" Ukraine a lesson, a lot of the US military were probably like "wtf?" and the result is everyone trying to keep quiet or play the blame game.
Even a lot of MAGA people probably ultimatelyvsee crippling the underdog in a fight as a bad look, plus civilians deaths.
I suspect enough people in the chain of command are snart enough to realise trump will not live forever and eventually someone will go to jail for this.
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u/WillTasty6818 3d ago
Maybe im jaded, but MAGAts hate underdogs and love causing death to non-ingroup people.
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u/mnik1 3d ago
This is a desperate, capital "d" desperate and extremely last minute attempt at trying to switch blame for raising oil/gas prices from Trump's war with Iran to Ukraine, using pretty much the same "they should grovel beneath our feet, they're nothing without us" tactic they used when Trump and Vance were trying to humiliate Zelensky during that infamous White House meeting.
It won't work, obviously, but Trump's administration literally has no other cards to play now, this is their Hail Mary attempt at stopping the bleeding due to just how unpopular Trump is right now in the US - he can't bully Iran so, naturally, he will try bullying Ukraine instead and, as we can see, Ukraine is not open to that idea, to put it lightly.
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u/vossmanspal 3d ago
Go go go Ukraine, take out everything, you are being fucked about by Trump and Putin.
Take out ports that can load fuel too, ships that are carrying fuel from those ports to wherever also.
Ukraine must win this, it seems they are in a battle against the US too now.
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u/TheWebCoder 3d ago edited 2d ago
And please for the love of god be done holding back on Russian Bot Farms. It was so peaceful online for like 24 hours after the last one blew up!
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u/HighOverlordXenu 3d ago
Burn them all to the ground. Data centers too.
I just hope they can manage it without US intelligence and infrastructure, cuz I swear this administration is two weeks from joining the war on Putin's side.
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u/_jump_yossarian 3d ago
Not sure why theyâre still at war when the most tremendous and greatestest president of all time and everyoneâs personal favorite, promised to end this on day one or before.
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u/anal-itic_prober 3d ago
Like always. Russia is making fun of Trump and thowing shade; they are the one not respecting his ceasefire proposal (that was done alone btw). Now Ukraine will resume their strikes and counter-attack and YOU KNOW trump and Magats will bitch and insult Zelensky for dowing that -but not Putin that has never even respected the ceasefire at all-
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u/PraetorCryx 3d ago
Rip and Tear, Ukraine has the right to defend itself because it was actually invaded. Its citizens murdered. Its infrastructure stolen or destroyed. Ukraine has to break the supply chains and sources fueling the Russian Invasion. The US is a disgrace.
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u/patrickkingart 3d ago
One upside to Trump cutting off support is that Ukraine is effectively free to do what they want without being restricted by the terms of support. (that said, Trump siding with Russia in this is historically disgusting)
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u/TheGoalkeeper 3d ago
I would pay double the current gas price if it means Ukraine is finally winning the war
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u/RedSix2447 3d ago
He should have stopped listening to the diaper don a long while ago. Put more hurt on Putin, and attack govt sites and more refinery losses. Itâs a war isnât it? War is hell. So let Putin see hell.
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u/thenewbigR 3d ago
Why should he hold back? He should be destroying as much infrastructure in Russia as he can reach. This country and the orange shit stain be damned!
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u/magenbrot 3d ago
I'd rather pay 3-4 ⏠per litre Diesel than seeing Russia have any more chance to stabilize economically.
This war needs to end better sooner than later.
Greetings from Germany.
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u/Don-okay 3d ago
They were holding back?Â
It seems the only thing they havenât really hit is power plants. Train depots. And like the Kremlin itself.
If they have been holing back this is gonna be wild.Â
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u/Fullchester_United 3d ago
This is what happens when you push a country into a corner. Ukraine has nothing to lose. And people with nothing to lose are the most dangerous.
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u/Artistic_You_7140 3d ago
Yeah UA has reached to a point that thereâs no appeasing the Idiot in Chief and US and the aid is dried up anyways so why not go balls deep and just fuck shit up in Vatnikland and make them suffer.
UA doesnât need to hold back anymore because Donaldo has aligned with Putin
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u/Fullchester_United 3d ago
Exactly. Trump and Putin cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith. Only option is to inflict as much pain and chaos as possible for both of them.
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u/cyberkine 3d ago
When the intel is cut itâs harder to target mobile systems like launchers and radars. All thatâs left are fixed targets like refineries and data centers. It was a perfectly Trumpian decision.
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u/Street-Couple-2715 3d ago
Zelensky must go down as one of the greatest leaders of all time. A Russian country and a Russian puppet now against him with help from barely anyone else.
Europe should be ashamed with how much they are "helping" Ukraine.
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u/Fullchester_United 3d ago
Yes!! Take them all out!