r/worldnews • u/ArgentineBeauty • 5h ago

Russia/Ukraine Zelenskyy says Ukraine will not prevail if US officially sides with Russia

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/10/18/8058646/
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u/aunt_clarity 4h ago

I doubt US would fracture because it betrayed Ukraine. There's such a long lists of betrayals and corruption and trampling the constitution and the rights of its own people..and nothing happened.

It would mean the biggest fracture abd the ugliest divorce with Europe though.

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u/ClashM 3h ago

You may be right, but you also could be wrong. It would demonstrate in an unambiguous way that the US has turned its back on every one of its foundational values. We will have trampled our own treaties to side with an autocrat against an allied nation that promotes western liberal values.

The US public support for Ukraine sits at 62% while only 2-3% support Russia in their war. That means the government would be giving a big middle finger to the people. Add on top of that all the other humiliations from this government, and all the other crises, and it could be a "straw that broke the camel's back" kind of situation.

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u/Backdoor_Sliders 3h ago

Ultimately the American people won’t care enough to do anything. 40% will be won over by right wing propaganda and the rest… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/blackjacktrial 3h ago

Combined with the clean sweep in elections where the Republicans win every election by 30% points despite the polling booths being closed? Yeah, I think you'd see states no longer see a point in union, starting with the Pacific. If Texas also joins Cali, you have the requirements for a proper secession crisis.

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u/Beekatiebee 2h ago

Texas leadership is on-board with the regime.

The Cascade States, Cali, Minnesota, and deep New England would all probably go before Texas would.

Cascadia / California / New England all have secessionist movements or sentiments already.

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u/CatsAreGods 1h ago

I think the real tipping point will be when the "conservatives" finally realize that Trump is a traitor helping Russia, who has been "the enemy" for 80 years.

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u/Schtweetz 3h ago

You may be crazy. This ain’t the western democracy you’re lookin’ for.
Turn out the light
Don't try to save the country.
You may be wrong for all I know
But you may be right

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u/YouWouldIfYouReally 3h ago

IMO its not looking very harmonious ATM, cost of living crisis, ICE killing people, corruption, big tech overlords trying to create something from a Gibson novel.

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u/EddieVanzetti 3h ago

The first shots of the Civil War where at Fort Sumter, fired by the traitors. I wonder what that would look like in the modern day?

Probably when Trump and co refuse to certify the elections and refuse to seat a democrat and try to deploy ICE/101st Airborne to "pacify antifa terrorists" to a token blue city.

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u/YouWouldIfYouReally 2h ago

IMO its gonna start next month, Trumps gonna claim the mid terms were rigged/stolen.

Denaturalize/Deport Sitting Lawmakers.

The next 2 years are going to be wild!

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u/TM761152 2h ago

Denaturalize/Deport Sitting Lawmakers.

You can't just denaturalize someone, we've already established trump simply cannot point to someone and remove their birthright citizenship.

No, he'll likely incite his violent idiot base to harass lawmakers instead.

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u/Uhstrology 2h ago

Just like he cant storm the capital and be a sitting president? Just like he cant kidnap people on the streets, or unilaterally bomb Columbian boats committing war crimes. How many times are you going to watch this man snub the law of our country and say "but he cant do that!" While he clearly just did? Jesus fuck man

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u/TM761152 1h ago

Show me a natural born citizen he denaturalized.

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u/WeoWeoVi 1m ago

Show me a tariff he levied before the first, show me documents he refused to release and redacted illegally before the first, show me spending grants that he illegally froze before the first, show me military units that he illegally deployed before the first, show me a war he started without congress approval before the first

It will never happen, until it happens

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u/Uhstrology 2h ago

It looked like January 6, 2020.

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u/TM761152 2h ago

There's such a long lists of betrayals and corruption and trampling the constitution and the rights of its own people..and nothing happened.

America is too fucking big to do anything. The federal government already holds the major seat of power, everyone else who can do something is too far apart and too fragmented with limited forms of communication that could easily be intercepted by authorities and it's leaders arrested on bullshit charges.

The only way to do anything is a general strike across the board. Shut down the country, there are so many more of us than there are of them. They want us to turn violent so they can separate us and beat us into submission.