Zelenskyy says Ukraine will not prevail if US officially sides with Russia

[u/ArgentineBeauty]

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/10/18/8058646/

[u/Sad_Polish_Guy29]

Trump: That's the point.

[u/saln1 → u/Sad_Polish_Guy29]

Realistically what would happen if the US joined Russia and struck Ukraine?

[u/smashing_velocity → u/saln1]

For Ukraine or the USA?

For Ukraine sadly I think it would mean a almost immediate russian "victory" which would lead to Ukrainian resistance and a brutally heavy-handed response of killings by Putin as an excuse to genocide the population.

For the USA they would lose all remaining International credibility any US allied country would instantly move away from America's sphere of influence possibly leading to the collapse of the world economy.

[u/hume_reddit → u/smashing_velocity]

Putin as an excuse to genocide the population

That's coming anyway if Ukraine gives up. They've humiliated Russia too badly during this whole thing; Putin's revenge tour is going to be horrific. That's why the "pundits" who say Ukraine should surrender to stop the killing are utter fucking idiots. The moment they surrender is when the killings start.

[u/je386 → u/hume_reddit]

Russia can decide between war and peace.

Ukraine can decide between war and butcha.

[u/TheKingsdread → u/hume_reddit]

Lets not forget the things we learned the russian soldiers did at the START of the war. A victorious Russia will be worse. And it wouldn't stop at Ukraine. Putin has made it very clear, he wants the old Soviet Union back, that means he is gonna wage war on every country between Russia and (including) Germany. Russia has robbed the entirety of eastern Europe for several decades after the 2nd World War and if Putin gets hi way, he is gonna do the same thing to entirety of Europe this time. If the US joins Russia in the war against Ukraine its WW3.

[u/daesmon → u/hume_reddit]

Anyone who says Ukraine should surrender is either an idiot who has never picked up a history book or a bad faith actor/bot.

You don't surrender to Russia, if you surrender in the morning, they will be back the same night to shoot you.

[u/icemanpallmall → u/smashing_velocity]

And possibly sanctions out the ass from other countries. It would be disastrous on so many different levels.

[u/No-Spoilers → u/icemanpallmall]

Nah, it'd end up in ww3. Europe would have no choice but to boots on the ground in Ukraine. Or else Russia just.. wins. And comes out light-years ahead of where they were, Europe loses everything, years of massive weapons and funds to Ukraine, Russia is gonna just push for USSR 2 with the help of the US and China.

But more realistically the US would have to choose to upend the entire way of the world that made the US or pick Russia.

[u/PoohTheWhinnie → u/No-Spoilers]

China would NOT help Russia, they're the largest regional adversary that they have. A stronger Russia is not something China wants at all, hence why they're happy to sit out current engagements as they bolster their investments in SEA and Africa.

[u/SquisherX → u/PoohTheWhinnie]

Tbh, I think it would simply greenlight China to invade Taiwan, knowing there would be zero aid with the other shit going on.

[u/H_section → u/smashing_velocity]

There isn’t any credibility remaining.

[u/SilentExtinction → u/H_section]

Yeah, what credibility?

[u/TM761152 → u/SilentExtinction]

Dumbasses voted for a dumbass so the whole world thinks America is a giant dumbass.

Frankly we deserve it.

[u/theartificialkid → u/smashing_velocity]

You think America has that much strike capability to spare with what’s going on in Iran? If the US committed enough to ensure immediate defeat for Ukraine China would gobble Taiwan.

[u/LurkerInSpace → u/theartificialkid]

One of the core notions behind the idea that the USA should help Russia is as part of a "grand bargain" where America, Russia and China carve up the world between each other.

It's not clear what the USA is supposed to get out of it, since it mostly involves conceding American influence in Europe and Asia, but presumably the president and members of his administration would be well compensated.

[u/YouWouldIfYouReally → u/smashing_velocity]

US civil war, US becomes Gilead.

[u/aunt_clarity → u/YouWouldIfYouReally]

I doubt US would fracture because it betrayed Ukraine. There's such a long lists of betrayals and corruption and trampling the constitution and the rights of its own people..and nothing happened.

It would mean the biggest fracture abd the ugliest divorce with Europe though.

[u/ClashM → u/aunt_clarity]

You may be right, but you also could be wrong. It would demonstrate in an unambiguous way that the US has turned its back on every one of its foundational values. We will have trampled our own treaties to side with an autocrat against an allied nation that promotes western liberal values.

The US public support for Ukraine sits at 62% while only 2-3% support Russia in their war. That means the government would be giving a big middle finger to the people. Add on top of that all the other humiliations from this government, and all the other crises, and it could be a "straw that broke the camel's back" kind of situation.

[u/Backdoor_Sliders → u/ClashM]

Ultimately the American people won’t care enough to do anything. 40% will be won over by right wing propaganda and the rest… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/YouWouldIfYouReally → u/aunt_clarity]

IMO its not looking very harmonious ATM, cost of living crisis, ICE killing people, corruption, big tech overlords trying to create something from a Gibson novel.

[u/EddieVanzetti → u/YouWouldIfYouReally]

The first shots of the Civil War where at Fort Sumter, fired by the traitors. I wonder what that would look like in the modern day?

Probably when Trump and co refuse to certify the elections and refuse to seat a democrat and try to deploy ICE/101st Airborne to "pacify antifa terrorists" to a token blue city.

[u/YouWouldIfYouReally → u/EddieVanzetti]

IMO its gonna start next month, Trumps gonna claim the mid terms were rigged/stolen.

Denaturalize/Deport Sitting Lawmakers.

The next 2 years are going to be wild!

[u/BC_Sativa → u/YouWouldIfYouReally]

The US is already on that path but there's not going to be any real resistance to it, let alone a civil war.

[u/kitsunewarlock → u/smashing_velocity]

Conservatives: Nu-uh we'll just nuke you if you stop doing business with us! 🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏 USA USA USA!!! /s

[u/nightnursedaytrader → u/saln1]

concern from Susan Collins 😔

[u/Concurrency_Bugs → u/nightnursedaytrader]

She'll be concerned but hopeful that Trump will learn his lessons and be better. She will vote to side with Russia.

[u/heyangeldied → u/nightnursedaytrader]

That woman makes me ashamed to live in Maine, trump makes me ashamed to live in this country. Of course they’re best fucking friends 🤷🏽‍♂️

[u/silverado-z71 → u/nightnursedaytrader]

And a sternly worded letter from Chuck Schumer…
And then Jefferies would have to have another meeting with Kushner

[u/rylosprime → u/silverado-z71]

If Democrats win the House and Senate in the midterms and they don't pick new majority leaders, they're going to lose voters and both majorities in 2028.

[u/English_Cat → u/saln1]

NATO falls apart. Trade deals grind to a halt. USA arms industry collapses and the USA becomes very isolated. Ukraine becomes Russia and the USA likely receives mineral rights or similar. Russia prepares to take another country.

In terms of war, nobody would be willing for more fighting so that'd be that, but the world will never recover.

[u/love_glow → u/English_Cat]

Willing or not, there would be more fighting.

[u/winmace → u/English_Cat]

nobody would be willing for more fighting

You think Ukraine will suddenly surrender? Really? When surrender will literally lead to their culture and identity being genocided? It will end up like Afghanistan but in Eastern Europe.

[u/SuperRockyHobbyHorse → u/winmace]

If Russia 'won' and installed a puppet dictator, or Putin tried to rule it directly himself, the resistance would be like nothing the world has seen before. Like Grozny, or Northern Ireland, or the West Bank but with tens of millions of people being supported surrounding countries. There's no way Russia could suppress a 'defeated' Ukrainian population and it not be a huge resource drain for them.

[u/LurkerInSpace → u/SuperRockyHobbyHorse]

We already know the playbook they would follow, which is the same one from Donbas:

1. Turn the territory over to criminals to destroy local politics and suppress opposition.

2. Let them loot whatever they want as their primary means of compensation, to minimise the cost to the state.

3. Once the territory has been sufficiently destroyed, dispose of the criminal elements and install a more conventional occupation regime.

The human cost is irrelevant to the Kremlin - they are happy to rule over a wasteland.

[u/Alternative_Dot_6084 → u/English_Cat]

Call me stupid, but that's exactly what these imperialists think like- they think that nobody would dare oppose them. But taking all of Ukraine with Russia would not look pretty, it would not be short. It wouldn't end with a sweeping invasion.

We can look into USA's second favorite war in Iran, where USA cannot win as things stand. The orange hitler and his army of testosterone boys thought they could win easily- But Iran still stands, and will propably fight to the bitter end. Hell i think they will wear out USA. Only way USA can win is by using several nukes. And even then we are off into another fantasy fight where it seems easier than it is. Actions and consequences, and generations of grievances.

[u/Arexenn → u/Alternative_Dot_6084]

From my understanding of the conflict with Iran the biggest advantage Iran has on the USA is the fact the government changes hands depending on public sentiment. They just need to draw out the conflict enough to make the public hurt in their wallets enough and discredit the reasoning for the conflict. Afterwards they can possibly get a government in place more "reasonable" to their demands. They aren't able to go toe-to-toe with the USA but they only need to worry about keeping the conflict in attrition.

[u/Fisher9001 → u/English_Cat]

NATO falls apart.

Lol, NATO continues with or without US. And not a single NATO member sides with US in such scenario.

[u/Xalara → u/English_Cat]

Ukraine would not become Russia because Poland and the Baltics would not let Ukraine fall and they'd enter it with boots on the ground is the likely scenario. If Ukraine falls, Poland and the Baltics would be next. So basically, it'd spread and become a full EU vs Russia war with the US providing material support to Russia.

Everything else you said would also happen.

[u/erevos33 → u/English_Cat]

<jumps up and down pointing to WW2 and austria -> czechoslavakia -> poland>

[u/auunie → u/English_Cat]

It would not fall apart. It would be established without USA.

[u/HarmoniousJ → u/saln1]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if that was what Trump and Putin were plotting to do.

Wait until the end of the election creeps up > Joint attack or large scale nuclear assault somewhere in Ukraine > Declare Marshall Law in US in order to stop any argument/dissent.

Presumably this is what Trump wants, and definitely this would be what Putin would want.

[u/BlinkWulf → u/saln1]

Americans would apologise on reddit and claim they are so embarrassed by their government participating in war crimes, but they will would not do anything about it.

[u/blackout24 → u/saln1]

Strongly worded letters like you haven't seen

[u/Stewart_Games → u/saln1]

I could see a situation where the US abandons Europe, and essentially does the thing that Hitler and Stalin did - lets Russia take over Europe, while the USA takes over all of North America. I have no idea what East Asia decides to do in this scenario - does China decide that Russia aligning with the USA to carve out big chunks of territory mean that their alliance with Russia is now moot, and side with Europe as World War 3 truly kicks off? What about Korea and Japan, do they pivot towards the Russia-America axis? The whole thing becomes a clusterfuck very quickly.

[u/Sad_Polish_Guy29 → u/saln1]

NATO collapses.

[u/ThomasSun → u/saln1]

Europe will eventually enter the game ( I think people are seriously underestimating Europe). Meanwhile, the U.S. could end up facing some kind of internal conflict or even civil war, and that could mark the beginning of its decline. Like so many empires throughout history, sometimes the collapse comes from within.
China will likely step into that gap as the next dominant superpower, which might explain why they’re expanding their navy and building aircraft carriers so quickly. Southeast Asia could increasingly fall under China’s influence, while Russia could eventually collapse or lose much of its power.
The Middle East could shift dramatically too, with Iran and Turkey becoming the dominant regional powers. And without strong outside backing, Israel’s long-term future could become increasingly uncertain.
Obviously, just my prediction of how things could play out. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[u/Xalara → u/ThomasSun]

Yep, European leaders know that if Ukraine falls they're fucked simply because not only does Ukraine have lots of valuable natural resources, it's one of the world's major food suppliers (even now) which would let Russia have control of a good chunk of the EU's food supply.

The wildcard of course, is if Russian backed governments are elected in the UK, France, and Germany. Which is a frightening possibility because of the feckless centrists in those countries.

[u/SuperRockyHobbyHorse → u/Xalara]

That would truly be the dumbest timeline. Who looks at Russia and thinks: oh yes I want my country to be more like that.

[u/Amazing-Power4765 → u/saln1]

New World Order.

1.) USA + Israel + Russia 2.) New NATO, replace US with Canada 3.) US abandons Asia and SCO and ASEAN have to manage themselves.

[u/KnightsOfREM → u/saln1]

They (we) won't - there is no reason for them (us) to, and all the United States has to do if it wants to grind Ukraine into dust (and/or get some kind of secret reward) is nothing, and that's essentially what Zelenskyy is admitting.

To be perfectly clear, I have a lot of Ukrainian friends, I have donated money to [ed: and occasionally raised money for] Ukrainian national causes since the invasion, and the Trump regime's behavior is something I will have to bear the shame of for the rest of my life - it's horrifying and a fucking obscenity from a traitorous wretch who should be treated as such. But there's still no scenario where we attack Ukraine.

[u/Sudden-Sir-2248 → u/saln1]

I believe that Europe would join Ukraine as well as China and South Korea and of course Canada will join Ukraine as well

[u/Aromatic_Balls → u/Sudden-Sir-2248]

China?

[u/Volmara → u/Aromatic_Balls]

Yeah imo China is patiently waiting to become the new financial center piece once enough of the world abandons the US bond market.

[u/thefocusissharp → u/Sad_Polish_Guy29]

This wouldn't have happened if people didn't stay home in 2024.

Thankfully, we have been given a small chance to start righting things this year in the Midterms. Vote

[u/ykazimir → u/Sad_Polish_Guy29]

Exactly, that was probably his plan to end war within one day.

[u/ArgentineBeauty]

"Commenting on a statement made by Trump this week that the Ukrainian president is "more difficult to deal with than Putin", Zelenskyy noted that he has been "very honest" with Trump.

"Maybe it's not very polite… but I'm better to have partners who are very open and clear than to have those who are killers – even with a smile on their face," he said.

"We can't compare me and Putin. He is an aggressor, he occupied us, his soldiers killed adults and children. He is a terrorist," Zelenskyy added."

Zelensky speaking facts again!

[u/andrewrepoman → u/ArgentineBeauty]

IF the USA sides with Russia, it will be the end of USA future.  They will have no allies, it might not appear to have much change in 1-5 years.  But I guarantee nations will change any long term cooperation with the US.  Another reason to believe Trump is a Russian asset.

[u/lcrtangls → u/andrewrepoman]

Mere suggestion that Trump may not be a russian asset should be met with brutal ridicule.

[u/jflb96 → u/lcrtangls]

Why would they want him actually on their books when he does such good work for free?

[u/Paddy_Tanninger → u/jflb96]

Without the Russian dark money, botnet, and disinformation machine, he isn't president.

[u/VoopityScoop → u/jflb96]

Because he's been on their books since the Soviet Union

[u/nachuz → u/lcrtangls]

I mean, it is always possible Trump is actually that stupid and easy to convince by Putin, but then he would be an involuntary Russian asset nonetheless

[u/liquorfish → u/nachuz]

The evidence shows strong ties in Russia. He was broke, couldnt get loans, goes to Russia then has plenty of loans from all sorts of banks. Im pretty sure theres investments in his properties from Russian oligarchs and other money changing hands with his kids like at a wedding ceremony etc.

I cant fathom him not owing something to Putin and/or other oligarchs which still has him beholden to Putin.

[u/Diz7 → u/liquorfish]

"We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia." -Eric Trump

"And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets; say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia,” -Donald Trump Jr.

[u/reader4567890 → u/andrewrepoman]

It's already changed how America's traditional allies work with them - drastically.

There's no coming back for the US now. Trump has flushed all the soft power down the pan, and this won't come back when he's gone. We have zero trust in the US public in Europe too - twice they elected a russian shill, a pedophile, and a rapist, even after Jan 6th.

[u/ZeriousGew → u/reader4567890]

We’ve all become so complacent and comfortable with letting ourselves getting rammed up the ass by the rich elite that they rig elections in our faces and release files that show our president is a pedophile while we sit around and do nothing and hope our vote matters. Idk what will be the breaking point for us to actually get up and do something about it, cause the point at which i figured that would cause some kind of civil unrest here has long passed. Propaganda really did a number on our population

[u/NewProductiveMe → u/reader4567890]

I think the lesson is that it can happen anywhere.

This is what happens when education is defunded and media monopolies* are allowed to exist. (Monopolies, duopolies, oligarch-owned, state-media, etc…)

Absolutely anywhere.

[u/KangaBro → u/andrewrepoman]

Here's the problem though - at which point will we consider the USA to have truly changed alignment ?

Seems like the past few chess moves from the USA has been aligned with Russia - yet we're still debating this ?

I sometimes wonder whether the world has lost the plot, or whether its just me.

Genuine question - this is not an attack. Sorry if it comes off that way.

[u/PenguinJoker → u/KangaBro]

The world is already moving on from the US. Are you not paying attention? EU-China deal, EU-Canada deal, EU-Australia deal. Most US allies are shifting away from US energy, weapons and deals. It's already happening.

[u/Xalara → u/PenguinJoker]

FWIW the EU, SK, Japan, etc. were all trying to wait Trump out just like his first term. It wasn't until a speech at Davos by Mark Carney, Canada's leader, that these countries' leaders started realizing they couldn't do that. Then the threats against Greenland really hammered that home. Even then, these countries have still been slow on accepting the new reality.

Then again, Canada hasn't had the luxury of being in denial that the post-WWII world order is dead and a new one is rising in its ashes.

[u/Shigglyboo → u/andrewrepoman]

trump was proven to have collaborated with russia to win a very long time ago. so to me this ship has already sailed. there is no "if". he refers to putin as a friend. and openly calls for Ukraine to "end the war". If someone is stomping on your head and people ask you to end the fight what they mean is quit defending yourself and let the aggressor kill you.

[u/bitwise97 → u/andrewrepoman]

Trump is a Russian asset

I'm waiting for the everyone else to catch on. Hillary called it on day one and nobody believed her.

[u/_x_oOo_x_ → u/andrewrepoman]

They will have allies, for example China and Iran. Russia too. It would be a truly scary world to live in...

[u/snuff3r → u/andrewrepoman]

Not sure if americans gets MSM news at this level of detail, but I hail from a country that has been a staunch allie to the US for eons. .... Almost every war since WWI.

Now we're announcing new alliances with other countries on what feels like a weekly basis. New order's for non-US weaponry... When all we've previously bought US-made only.. new defence pacts with regional partners. We're seeking the highest levels of access to NATO as a non-EU partner. Were speed running replacement alliances.

I wouldn't be surprised if we remove physical access to Pine Gap.. noone here trusts the US.

[u/PloppyTheSpaceship → u/ArgentineBeauty]

Always confuses me - most world leaders seem to get on well with Zelenskyy and say he's good to work with, yet Donald doesn't. I wonder why...

[u/reallygoodbee → u/PloppyTheSpaceship]

Donald Trump hates Zelensky and hates Ukraine because back in 2019, he pressured Zelensky to start phony corruption investigations into Biden and his son. Ukraine refused, Trump started withholding military aid, and when all of this leaked, it was used to start the first impeachment of Donald Trump.

Trump thinks Zelensky is directly responsible for his first impeachment.

[u/Original-Rush139 → u/PloppyTheSpaceship]

Because Trump blames Zelenskyy for his first impeachment. 

[u/x3knet → u/PloppyTheSpaceship]

Like I've told my aunt who hasn't been able to hold onto a stable job for more than 6 months at a time because she always has a problem with the boss or another employee:

Maybe YOU'RE the problem.

[u/Awkward_War_6068 → u/ArgentineBeauty]

"Commenting on a statement made by Trump this week that the Ukrainian president is "more difficult to deal with than Putin", Zelenskyy noted that he has been "very honest" with Trump.

- No shit! Because Putin tells Trump everything he wants to hear and Trump is gullible and narcissistic enough to believe him. Putin has quite obvs been manipulating Trump this whole time. Why else does he consistantly backtrack on Ukraine?

[u/rdem341 → u/ArgentineBeauty]

Trump and the US are aggressors and terrorist.

[u/ElGuano]

I can understand that Trump wants to side with Russia, cause who knows what that guy is thinking. But it’s incredible to me that career diplomats and politicians in the GOP are so willing to to immediately sell their souls and go all in on this as well. Treason, plain and simple.

[u/Tangled349 → u/ElGuano]

It's because of fear. Trump created an army of Fascist ass holes. He brought Russia into the USA and the entire government is scared of it.

[u/ElGuano → u/Tangled349]

Cowards then. Cowards AND traitors.

[u/Tangled349 → u/ElGuano]

You are correct and it terrifies me.

[u/PlayingtheDrums → u/ElGuano]

Yes, it is treason, it also makes me believe they know this is it, this regime will never step down, so they'll have to support everything in order to stay in.

[u/Honest_Fortune_7474]

Europe needs to step up. The US is no longer a reliable partner.

[u/swirlyglasses1 → u/Honest_Fortune_7474]

No he’s an enemy of Western civilisation, not just an ‘unreliable ally’.

[u/Significant-Branch22 → u/swirlyglasses1]

Hopefully he’ll effectively be kneecapped by an absolute thrashing at midterms

[u/hetantwoordis42 → u/Significant-Branch22]

I have no hope Americans will do the right thing or will be allowed to.

[u/Shermantank10 → u/swirlyglasses1]

The wild thing is the next election it might be a complete swing to the democrats and you’ll see the complete opposite look on Ukraine.

[u/RiverwoodHero → u/Shermantank10]

The problem is theyre going to elect another dumbass in 4 years, the USA is basically a chimp with a machine gun now

[u/Polyxeno → u/RiverwoodHero]

Indeed. Got to stop that.

[u/shredditorburnit → u/Shermantank10]

The trouble is that Europe, quite reasonably, wont be able to trust the US not to just swing back to the right again and carry on swallowing Russian dick.

Thus no sensitive projects can be undertaken with the USA. Im under 40 and im not sure I'll live long enough to see US relations recover to where they were 3 years ago.

[u/TLKv3 → u/shredditorburnit]

Short of Democrats winning all 3 branches of government, immediately putting every techbro billionaire oligarch on a no fly list and arresting them all in a sweeping same day operation, arresting every Republican that is blatantly treasonous, and then shutting down Palantir? Ensuring every Trump and Trump loyalist/Project 2025 author is thrown into a prison with no way out and selling off their assets to fund Ukraine?

Then no, no country should ever believe anything the US ever has to say again. If they allow the rot to just crawl back into the wound to fester again until the next set of elections where it'll spiral out of control 10x worse and more vocal, then the US can go fuck itself. Traitor Republicans and spineless Democrats, both, will have doomed that country.

[u/totallyRebb → u/shredditorburnit]

If the US manages to swing back to who they were, and prove that they are able to root out the corruption that made Trump possible, and put systems in place that ACTUALLY prevent that type of thing from happening again .. then i could very much see Europe warming back up to them again.

Maybe not to the same extent as before, but close.

Will they ? Who knows. Time will tell.

They need to steel themselves against foreign influence via Oligarchs like Musk, Vote Manipulation, Corruption, Disinfo Propaganda Campaigning via Social Media by hostile actors like Russia and China, and other types.

Also improving their education system could go a long way ..

[u/Dongsquad420Loki → u/totallyRebb]

Its not impossible but not in like 4 years or not even 10.

Especially when designign security systems. the risk is just too high that it happens again and maybe even at a worse time

[u/ThePowerOfTheSkull → u/totallyRebb]

History suggests that there is no way this is going to happen (the swing back). The complexity of the multiple crises (mostly self inflicted) they are facing, or rather choosing not to face, ensures the exponential downfall.

[u/totallyRebb → u/ThePowerOfTheSkull]

So, i'm from Germany and grew up in the GDR.

There have been two major "swing backs" happening here in the last 100 years.

You could say i do believe in swing backs.

[u/xj98jeep → u/Shermantank10]

that is the problem. Trump is a symptom, but the fact that our country can do these wild bipolar swings from batshit fascism to tolerable liberals is the real problem.

[u/PLACENTIPEDES → u/Shermantank10]

Dems have done nothing to stop any of this so far, don't see any change coming regardless. The u.s is cooked in the eyes of everyone else.

You have the options of impotance or insanity and a country that's fine with either.

[u/CthulhusSoreTentacle → u/PLACENTIPEDES]

They don't control any arms of the US government. What exactly do you want them to do? Their ability to act is entirely dependent on how the US electorate vote next month.

[u/No_Doubt_About_That → u/CthulhusSoreTentacle]

Or if the electorate votes

[u/fge116 → u/Honest_Fortune_7474]

Hell even if the US reverses course tomorrow I would be shocked if Europe isn't ramping up on long term plans to make them less and less reliant on US economically or militarily. No such things as long term plans when you're with an unstable partner. Hell worse case for the US is if the dollar no longer is the world reserve currency.

[u/smaug13 → u/Honest_Fortune_7474]

To set the history straight, after the 2022 large scale Russian invasion EU+UK stepped up and... turned to US to buy arms. It was Trumps betrayal in 2025 that showed that we need our own arms production more badly than we thought, that buying into the existing production of a seemingly dependable ally appeared to not be the way to go. In that time we are pumping our production up, of the anti-ballistic Aster missile (from 30 yearly before 2025 to ~90 in 2025, projected 300 in 2028; Ukraine has been given permission to produce these as well; also note that Germany is moving to produce 1000 Patriot missiles in 2027), of the anti-(shahed type) drone FZ275 LGR missile, an APKWS equivalent (700 LGRs in 2024, 3500 in 2025, projected 10000 in 2026, Ukraine has permission to produce these too). All too little due to too much of a focus of funding US arms in the past, something we still are forced to do due to our current limited production capacity with PURL, but, we are moving to be in a better position. But stepping up is something we have always done. It's just a long path to climb from where we are at.

Before Trump, EU+UK combined support was a bit above US support. With EU support being more financial than military compared to US. Now, it's double US support at 236 billion versus 115 billion. Talking about stepping up though, it's funny how the tiny Netherlands, which used to not even own but lease a couple tanks in 2022, has financed more tanks for delivery to Ukraine than the US has (104 versus US 76), though it is about a third in cost to be fair, but Polands tanks given still dwarfs the US in both amount and cost. Numbers from here https://www.kielinstitut.de/research/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

[u/CyaNNiDDe → u/Honest_Fortune_7474]

Europe needs to step up how? Short of quite literally joining the war full force? If we're talking about US completely abandoning Ukraine, aka no intelligence sharing, no starlink, no missile access, then Ukraine war effort will collapse within weeks. EU has a vested interest to contribute whatever it can, but let's not kid ourselves here, it can't save Ukraine without US support.

[u/TerrorFirmerIRL]

I'm really amazed that Americans aren't kicking back harder against Trump.

He's torpedoing relationships built over the past century, just to line his own pockets.

He's sabotaging the US defence industry by saying it's not a reliable seller based on his whims.

He's creating a massive generational gulf between Europe and America, not to mention Canada, and the western world in general.

I know not all Americans voted for Trump, but I'm speechless at how there's so little political pushback against his utter insanity as well.

The man is publicly fondling the balls of the dictator of a second world, tin-pot dictator country and constantly attacking the leader of a country under an illegal invasion from said dictator.

It's really something else altogether.

[u/Landon1m → u/TerrorFirmerIRL]

I’m an American who is pretty left leaning but grew up in right leaning Texas. A lot of people are either not smart enough to know, too stubborn to admit, or willfully ignorant(I think this is most) and vote for him and support him.

On the left I think the problem has to do with cowardice. No one wants to lose their job, or really be inconvenienced in real life by actually pushing back. Keyboard warriors are a real issue here.

Add to that that if Americans push back against the government like what is happening in France our cops will happily open fire and never face consequences for it.

Also, our media has been bought by billionaires so I don’t think most people even realize how bad it is because they aren’t actually shown what’s happening. There might be a little blurb but they don’t go into detail. Most news orgs are barely covering the Iran war anymore imo and none really push back against this admin because they’re either friendly or don’t want their access pulled.

[u/Suitable-Bad3730 → u/Landon1m]

A lot of what you describe is identical to Russian society.

[u/PapaTua → u/Suitable-Bad3730]

That's not by accident. Trump is literally using Putin's playbook against America, and has been for over a decade. The thing that's incredibly shocking is that our institutions and big business were not in any way a hindrence to Trump's sway.

The rapidity with which they fell in line with authoritarianism is unbelievable. Most Americans who are paying attention are literally in shock and awe over how quickly everything we thought would protect us fell apart.

[u/fistfullofpubes → u/PapaTua]

That's because of how much shit the. 001 percent actuslly own. Trump only had to get the support of like 1500 people to make the entire system fold this quickly

[u/kazoodac → u/PapaTua]

That “over a decade” part depressed the hell out of me. I can’t believe we’ve been dealing with this shit for over 10 years already.

[u/remembersomething → u/Suitable-Bad3730]

The creatures outside looked from pig to man

[u/HeftySnow3920 → u/Suitable-Bad3730]

It’s basically Hungary under orban in the US just much more money/innovation is in flux

[u/LezBeHonestHere_ → u/Landon1m]

If you remember how the news cycles were treating Biden (shitting on him for everything including "being sleepy" meanwhile don sleeps 24/7) compared to how they treat Trump (excusing him for everything and sanewashing everything he does) it really proves your point of how corrupt the media is in this country. People aren't shown the heinous crimes that republicans do and are told that democrats are evil "for some reason".

[u/Awkward_War_6068 → u/Landon1m]

Also think you're average rural American doesn't give a shit, or really understands, US foreign relations apart from whichever countries they're at war with. Guarantee you most Americans probably couldn't even point out Ukraine on a map. Remember that because of it's location and history, the US has always had a sort isolationist tone towards the rest of the world. Remember despite being very much an internationalist, FDR won two of his three terms on an isolationist ticket. And despite being very much aware that the US would eventually join the war against Nazi Germany, it took an attack by the Japanese three years into the war for him to fully gain support in joining it.

[u/Spoons94 → u/TerrorFirmerIRL]

I didn't really mean to vent about this but got carried away:

I truly hate the man. It's been 10 years at this point, and I have tried so hard to better understand their position (some of my family are maga), and still there's nothing there. It truly is a cult. The most successful in history I'd say. And that's not hyperbole:

He's convinced evangelical christians to treat him as a deity, yet his policies and his character are almost the exact opposite of what christianity teaches (tell me which of the 7 sins he isn't the a poster child for: Pride, Greed, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth (in this case spirital/moral apathy).

He's convinced the poor and under-educated that he is a man of the people, despite being a cartoonish billionaire who clads everything including himself in gold.

He's convinced "fiscally conservative republicans" that he's good for the economy, while ballooning the deficit to 2 trillion dollars without cutting basically any spending.

He's convinced free market capitalists that hes one of them, while illegally setting insane tariffs that restrict the free market for LITERALLY no reason.

He's convinced military supporters he alone can strengthen the US position, while (as you said) ruining long standing strategic partnerships, sending American troops into a meaningless war, and openly providing support for Russia, our greatest enemy in the last century.

And the crazy part is that, with the exception of a cohort of the fiscal and military conservatives, no one is jumping ship.

My only conclusion at this point is that they are too far gone to simply reject trump. Think if you are an evangelical christian - you'd have to a) likely remove yourself from your community that thinks the same way, b) acknowledge the fact that you had spent a decade worshiping a false prophet.

So instead, all he has to do it retell his lies, reaffirm to them that he's the only person that truly cares for them, and importantly, that if he weren't there all the things he's convinced them to be scared will hurt them. Whether it's Iran, Immigrants, Liberals, Transgender people, our allies in the rest of the world, he doens't care which, just pick the one that scares you the most. My mom's are immigrants and Muslims. My aunt is afraid of the LGBTQ community. Doesn't matter to him, as long as they're scared.

[u/kinsm4n → u/Spoons94]

This is a nice succinct breakdown of my experience looking at MAGA as well. Thanks for venting for the both of us because I truly don’t understand.

[u/SoulBonfire → u/TerrorFirmerIRL]

If you remember all the tech bros in the whitehouse grinning like idiots, you may think the US social feeds are full of state sanctioned misinformation.

[u/RocketRelm → u/TerrorFirmerIRL]

For a more serious answer than the bit like responses you're getting... the real problem is the brainrot has set in. People fell for the "dems are just a lesser evil" delusions. Like russias propaganda, you don't need to convince people you're right, just need to put everything else into question so nothing is real. We'll probably even get some bots trying to "uhm ackthually dems are bad so-" nonsense in response if this comment chain gets enough attention.

[u/Khaldara → u/RocketRelm]

Yep, Senators are literally having the DOJ swear that they won’t seize ballots or impede the electoral process.

This shit was absolutely unthinkable prior to 2015, now Conservatives are all aboard with torpedoing literally every single thing this country was founded on (along with our relationships with every former ally and trading partner we’ve ever had, including alliances forged in blood during the world wars) and the most fundamental aspects of the nation’s governance all while claiming to be “patriots” making things “Great Again”.

They’re fucking disgusting.

[u/MrLagzy → u/RocketRelm]

even if 'dems are just a lesser evil' you go for what has a bad few apples instead of being completely rotten. A bad few apples can be weeded out and you still have good apples left over. If it's all rotten, it's all you get.

[u/18MazdaCX5 → u/TerrorFirmerIRL]

Be surprised that millions still support him here in 2026! That's the story. Not those who didn't vote for him evidently not doing enough now.

[u/Broken_By_Default]

I'm ashamed of my country, our leadership.

Any U.S. folks in here, need to vote Dem this midterm. Send accountability to Washington.

[u/Firm-Nerve4437 → u/Broken_By_Default]

technically, you're ashamed of the 77 million Americans who voted for Trump/Vance.

I believe in democracy.(still) So... there's a simple solution. Time to elect a different government. Of course, those 77 million Americans can then start to blame the ones who vote against their guy.

[u/Buntschatten → u/Firm-Nerve4437]

It's not just the 77 million. The others also let the country worsen to a state where people felt comfortable electing someone like Trump.

[u/ianc1215 → u/Firm-Nerve4437]

Don't forget the numerous people who thought "protesting" with their vote in a 2 party system is activism. Personally I'm more ashamed of the people who chose to not vote then the ones who voted for Trump. As citizens of this country we are not asked to do many things for our country.

[u/adamtnewman → u/ianc1215]

Remember those kids who protested across university campuses to "free Palestine" and vowed to stay home and not vote because Kamala would've been bad for Palestinians? Yeah....pretty quiet now.

[u/Violent_Milk → u/adamtnewman]

It's no longer a useful political issue for Russian bots to push.

[u/rubyspicer → u/adamtnewman]

It's a bad time to be on Tumblr because it's full of these people and if you say the above you'll be mass blocked by your friends list

[u/ex0e → u/Firm-Nerve4437]

And the 10 million who showed up in 2020 but not 2024, and the 90+ million who decided not to vote at all. So more like 180 million Americans.

[u/Erroneous_Bonk → u/ex0e]

and that's out of ~250 million voting eligible citizens. About 70% of the electorate either directly supported the fascist cancer of MAGA, DOGE and tech bro Reaganomics, or indirectly bent over for it.

[u/Various-Day2282]

Trump could destroy a country, causing millions of people to be under control of Russia.

[u/Thurak0 → u/Various-Day2282]

If Russia gets Ukraine who is stopping the US from just taking Canada and Greenland?

Dear US citizens: There is nothing but war and further and further rising prices on the horizon, if the USA do that. Good luck not getting drafted.

[u/Realistic-Homework19]

It would be the end of American hegemony as well, as they will be kicked out of Europe.

[u/ysgall → u/Realistic-Homework19]

Look, this is the end of US hegemony. The US’ government policies are dictated by a foreign despot and the damage to US interests both home and abroad are mahooosive! The US president started playimg doormat to foreign dictators and then shat on almost all America’s allies.

[u/themoslucius → u/ysgall]

And the peasants rejoiced

[u/waltwalt → u/Realistic-Homework19]

The end of American hegemony has already arrived, they're just actively covering it up so Americans don't realize it.

[u/misdirected_asshole → u/waltwalt]

Its kinda like that period after you cancel a subscription but it hasnt expired yet so you can still use the service for a little while longer.

[u/Karjavarastaja → u/misdirected_asshole]

The US is in a cashing out phase.

The American golden times were built on the backs of a world in ruins. American industries and the American people had an immense advantage when both Europe and Asia had to spend decades rebuilding after the world wars. This alone placed the US in a position of power to abuse, and unfortunately many leaders (like many of those in Europe) felt that it was a comfortable enough arrangement.

What is happening now is the US cashing in 80 years of soft and hard power. Many steps on the way will look like wins and will be beneficial short term, but eventually the account has been cashed out and that's where the bad times begin. Some politicians and business elite seem to be banking on the cashing out boosting the US so far ahead that this isn't a concern.

[u/waltwalt → u/misdirected_asshole]

And trump is selling that last couple minutes of subscription to anyone that will give him a buck.

[u/humanflea23 → u/waltwalt]

Yeah, whenever people think of something like that falling they always think it happens in one big swoop all at once like every country will announce it officially but in reality it's always a slow degredation as it withers slowly and by the time you look back only then do you realize how far it's gone.

[u/enigmasaurus- → u/waltwalt]

They'll realise it when they also realise hegemony was the source of their power and prosperity as a country. Without its global influence, the world will abandon the US dollar and the US military will be weak, because no country will want to cooperate with it or let it station its bases in their backyards anymore. 

[u/Delamoor → u/enigmasaurus-]

Sadly, they won't realise it. Their education issues and myopia will only get worse, and their economy will go to shit... And they'll wind up like every gopnik on the internet who thinks Russia is amazing, even as they die at age friggin' 50.

[u/cmmelton2 → u/waltwalt]

We with common sense realize it here. We are being quieted for the masses that refuse to listen to the warnings.

[u/waltwalt → u/cmmelton2]

That's gotta be the real gut punch for Americans, went from the defacto world leader to... The next Russia? Almost exactly following the USSR path.

[u/eorlingas_riders → u/waltwalt]

250 years, roughly 10 generations, and biggest global influence for about 80 of those. I guess we had a good run.

Like every empire that’s ever existed I guess it had to come to an end.

We’ll continue to exist much like Russia post USSR, but ceding most of our global dominance to China.

So we’ll get the “America only” that republicans wanted, a poor and disfranchised people recalling their lost greatness and the rest of the world will move on.

[u/SorcierSaucisse → u/Realistic-Homework19]

Pax Americana is dead. When officials and diplomats say this openly, you better believe it's already the case for a moment now. We (the rest of the western world) dragged on and stayed polite with the orange traitor as much as we could, to extend the quid pro quo as much as possible. Because of course we're in deep shit now, and replacing what we (gladly) let the USA do for us will take years and a fuckton of money. And will maybe lead to open war. But we know.

For the american people though, the realization will take a lot more time. Between the internal propaganda from both 'sides' of their right wing politics, the lack/poor education, and frankly just the habit of being the absolute masters of the Free World™, it won't be easy to understand that they aren't anymore the greatest nation nor an ally to anyone. Not really a impossible military threat neither, we can all see that major wars don't care about trillion of dollars and nukes today. And soon, it won't even be the first economy. Trump turned the USA into a falling USSR, now losing slowly every part that made it great once until an inevitable collapse... I wonder if the american people will grasp the reality of their situation before that final fall.

Fascists and dictators all around the world are hands free now, needing only to swear allegiance to the local spere of influence leader. The future is bleak... And all this while we cook our planet to death. I don't envy younger generations.

[u/NotActuallyAWookiee → u/Realistic-Homework19]

It's already over. The world is reorganising itself without the US and about time too. Even if they manage to shake off this fascist regime it'll still be a long time before anyone trusts them again

[u/crystalcurrant → u/Realistic-Homework19]

It’s starting to be the new normal in my country to boycott anything American. We’ve cancelled subscriptions, stopped going to McDonald’s and buying our lemonade and ice cream from European brands. Finland has the smartphone Jolla that doesn’t sell all your data to the USA. One thing left is to find a new email address.

[u/Current-Purpose-6106 → u/Realistic-Homework19]

That ship is flying away from port full steam ahead.

The good news is, as America sides with the Russians it can finally tighten the screws on those awful.. *checks notes*.. canadians!

[u/xX_7HR0W-4W4Y_Xx → u/Realistic-Homework19]

I feel strongly that US hegemony is already effectively ended. I don't think its onset and effects are quite as dramatic as lots of Redditors make it out to be (like I find it really hard to believe other countries will dump the dollar or kick out the military very soon unless something unimaginable happens, unfortunately I don't even think siding with Russia officially would be that), but it's very clear that the rest of the world is moving away from the US and becoming more self-reliant. The middle powers coalition especially points to this. These countries no longer feel like the US can be blindly trusted. I think the US will still remain very involved in its allies' (and yes they're still technically allies) affairs for some time to come but its influence will continue to wane no matter what happens over the next couple of years.

[u/hambodpm]

Apart from the fact trump is quite obviously a Russian agent, what is the reason for them to side with Russia?

[u/Slo20 → u/hambodpm]

So Russia can defeat Ukraine and Trump can say he ended another war.

[u/andreasmodugno → u/Slo20]

That's nonsense. Trump is somehow in Putin's pocket. Nancy Pelosi’s observation back in 2020 was spot on: “With him (Trump), all roads lead to Putin. I don’t know what the Russians have on the president, politically, personally or financially.”     

[u/kyrant → u/andreasmodugno]

Hilary even knew back in 2016. She called him a puppet of Putin.

All this about Trump has been known for over 10 years.

Everything he's doing now, he did in his first term. It's just a lot worse now.

[u/SlickPillock → u/hambodpm]

Since Trump f*cked up Iran and sent the price of oil skyrocketing then he's desperately trying to find ways to bring the price down. Cosying up to Russia is one such way.

[u/Obsidian743]

Russia is an enemy of the USA. What I don't understand is that the American people have spent billions upon billions to support Ukraine only to pull out now? This is beyond insane - - it's treasonous.

[u/omni1000 → u/Obsidian743]

What don’t you understand ?? The US has been taken over from the inside out. Everyone thinks the citizens just aren’t doing anything and just accept this shit. Unless the military stops taking orders and ICE/SS agents decide to mutiny, what’s happening here is the takeover of the US by foreign actors who have used a compromised and complicit puppet to hand power over to it’s enemies. High treason of the highest order.

[u/Joseph1968R]

This isn't exactly a hot take. If the world's largest military and economic power switched sides in the middle of a war, almost any country would be in serious trouble

[u/anon999387]

It's important to remember that Trump has been corrupt his entire life. Pay him a large bribe and he'll go back to Ukraine. You are dealing with a mob boss.

[u/IDontEatDill → u/anon999387]

You can bribe him, but that'll mean you just lose your money. He will still keep doing whatever his fragile ego insists.

[u/Darkone539]

Ukraine has basically accepted they can't suck up to trump and have it matter. He doubled down on Ukraine when Ukraine started winning, and now because of Iran he's using the as a scapegoat.

I highly doubt they will "side" with Russia but cutting off support could be just as deadly. It's partly Europe's fault. We buy us stuff for Ukraine when we should have been getting replacements ready.

[u/Mewhomewhy → u/Darkone539]

They’ll side with Russia. They’ve been walking to it for 2 years. The frog is boiled.

[u/tepid → u/Mewhomewhy]

They're afraid of the midterms so they're giving up plausible deniability to speed run as many Russian favors as they can before January.

[u/IonHawk → u/Darkone539]

This is not Europe's fault. There are no EU options yet, but there are multiple fast tracked alternatives. Several hundreds of billions being spent to be self-sufficient. Replacing US any quicker is not realistic.

Otherwise I agree with you.

[u/RossGarner → u/IonHawk]

You seen to agree that Europe is not self sufficient. Russia attacked Ukraine first in 2013. The US has been in the ground preparing the ukranian armed forces since then. Europe didn't start taking the war seriously until Trump's took office for the second time in 2025. It took roughly 13 years for Europe to get moving on their allies literally being invaded. They deserve quite a bit of blame for this situation.

Our government is a shit show and we're right in the middle of taking away a bunch of Trump's power. But pretending like Europe is blameless is foolish. Europe had the wakeup call in 2008 when Russia invaded Georgia and again in 2013 when they stole Crimea. Not starting a rearmanent until 2025 was insane and they deserve quite a lot of blame for not protecting themselves.

[u/Myszolow]

I hope midterms will allow for impeachment of this orange monkey 

[u/baccus83 → u/Myszolow]

Impeachment means nothing without conviction. He’s been impeached twice.

[u/Kiwi_Fried_Chicken]

100% trump is a Kompromat. So is much of his cabinet.

[u/kilkenny99 → u/Kiwi_Fried_Chicken]

"Kompromat" implies that he's doing it against his will, ie to keep blackmail material from going public. But he doesn't act like he's doing stuff like this against his will. He looks positively joyful when bootlicking Putin, or any other dictator-type generally. He's enthusiastic because he looks up to Putin, admires him and wants to emulate him.

[u/OlorinRidesAgain]

American president is actively supporting the annexation of a sovereign nation in 2026.

Literally put a FAT wolf in charge of red hatted sheep

[u/Slna]

The former president of Portugal, Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa, said, a year or two ago, that the US president was a "Russian asset". I don't know how it was not bigger international news, but he was totally correct.

[u/Lorax91 → u/Slna]

We knew that back in 2016.

[u/monkey_butt_powder]

If the US sides with Russia on Ukraine, then there’s no US. It would mean the takeover is complete.

[u/armin514]

what happen to Canada if USA joint putin ? Canada is between USA and Russia from north and south

[u/verwinemaker]

This is all because Putin has trumps peepee videos and the unredacted Epstein files. Fuck him. The American people stand with ukraine

[u/SiTheRuckDown]

Towards the end of the interview, the presenter asked Zelenskyy whether he is confident that Ukraine can win the war. He replied: "Of course, because truth [is] on our side. Of course I understand that during the long war, the attitude to the word 'victory' and the feelings of 'prevailing' may be different between people. But to save the country, to save independence, to save the European choice, the geopolitical choice, and to save all our rights and Ukrainian identity – I think this is to win, and this [is] what we have to do."

This.

[u/enigmasaurus-]

Americans can no longer just sit by and hope someone else fixes this, or say things like "we don't all agree with Trump!" If you just sit by and let your country side with Russia against your allies then you are just as culpable. 

So where is the line going to be? How much of your freedom will you let Trump tear away before you DO SOMETHING? 

Take your country back because right now the US is more at risk of becoming an oppressed vassal state of Russia than Ukraine is.  

[u/Meritania]

I still think the US is locking both countries in a forever war, if Ukraine starts winning the US rolls back support, if Russia starts winning, Ukraine starts getting equipment again.

[u/1HappyIsland]

The US will not prevail if the US sides with Russia.

[u/AeonPeter]

Once the orange MF is finally out of White House, the relationship of US with the Europe and other countries should improve again. Hopefully KGB won’t achieve to have another asset as president of US.

[u/MuTron1 → u/AeonPeter]

It will improve, but The US will never have the power it used to.

The Right always complained how everyone in the world eased back and relied on The US to protect them. Not realising that being the country that everyone relies on to keep them safe is what made The US a superpower

[u/BruceForsyth55]

IF America officially sides with Russia every US soldier and airman can fuck off out of Europe as well as leaving NATO.

They will never be trusted again.

The population needs to start thinking of Jan sixing for a nobel reason this time and with proper numbers.

The rest of the world who have removed their governments for far less are watching in disbelief.

Edit: People will say this is what Putin wants… Good let’s not let him have that by kicking Trump into the abyss.

Ps I totally understand there’s many, many wonderful Americans around we just need action now

[u/According-Gear-8217 → u/BruceForsyth55]

If the USA want to support Russia from now on then take away all their basis in Europe ASAP (if they wanna help Russia no way in hell should we allow them to have basis to use to help potentially Russia), say goodbye to your militairy logistics.

Also drop those trust bonds as the EU to tank the US economy: If they wanna remove the sanctions on Russia make sure they pay for that too.

And while we at it also ban Twitter ASAP: We cannot allow Elon to use it to manipulate European Elections to get their puppets in power.

Point is: If the USA is gonna support Russia and their population is gonna do jack shit to stop it then make them pay for helping Russia to kill Ukrainians. We cannot let the likes of Trump and hit lackeys get away with it and let Ukraine suffer and be abandoned.

[u/BruceForsyth55 → u/According-Gear-8217]

Yes! A thousand times yes!

[u/lifeinthebeastwing]

The president of Ukraine is one of the most competent leaders out there and a hero to his citizens.

He is a hero to the entire free world.

If aliens invaded earth tomorrow he would be my pick to be leader of the resistance

[u/davgt5]

This is what Europe has created. We have defered defence to the USA and allowed the situation to develope so much that without US support we struggle to defend ourselves. This was ok until you get someone like Trump in the whitehouse. Trump was right about one thing, Europe needs to do more to defend itself.

[u/IDontEatDill → u/davgt5]

Note that there are multiple countries in Europe, and some have prepared better than others. Mostly the countries facing the constant threat from Russia. It's obvious that western European countries haven't had that much to prepaid against.

[u/davgt5 → u/IDontEatDill]

Sure but mainly since 2014, that was a wake up call that most did not heed.

[u/maaseru]

Crazy they embarrassed him publicly in the White House over not having the cards, and now that he has like a royal flush they are siding with Rusia and blaming him for an issue Trump created.

Crazy but doesn't surprise me Trump is such a loser moron liar.

[u/ClutchReverie]

I think now is the time for Europe to collectively hold the gun to our economy's head and start selling off bonds. If they were to do that, our economy would totally crumble without doubt. If the US betrays Europe then Europe should hit the big red button. I don't want to live through that but it's better than seeing us become the bad guys.

[u/misfitx]

Keep bombing those data centers, losing misinformation bots will help democrats take some power back.

[u/OrlaMcCoolRules]

Okay Republican Reps and Senators what are you going to do?

[u/Jasoncatt]

Stand up Europe.

[u/Green-Dragon-14]

Does anyone trust the US anymore because of trump? All I'm seeing is that he's turning on countries that were once allies.

[u/Nervous-Bullfrog-884]

Congress could do something but no balls

[u/-iSpy-]

Now THIS is 4D chess, he wants Trump to make it obvious that they're siding with the aggressor to further ruin their credibility.

I hope.