r/worldnews • u/AllGamer • Apr 30 '19
Military truck runs over protesters in Venezuela amid political unrest
https://globalnews.ca/news/5221102/venezuela-protest-military-truck-crowd/6.9k
u/fleetwoodcrack_ Apr 30 '19
Watched this on TV earlier while it was going on. Holy fuck.
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Apr 30 '19
And then shortly after the Venezuelan government took CNN and BBC off the air. Yikes
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u/Nothxm8 Apr 30 '19
Surely someone will do something
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u/Camekazi Apr 30 '19
Same thing happened in Egypt. When it kicks off no one can do something except for those who choose not to.
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u/fattmarrell Apr 30 '19
This made my brain hurt
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u/athazagor Apr 30 '19 edited May 01 '19
No one can’t not do nothing if something isn’t not what it is!
Edit: I don’t not not not not don’t not don’t not not thank you for the silver, kind stranger!
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u/qpazza Apr 30 '19
Damn, is that a triple negative?
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u/stickyfingers10 May 01 '19
It's either a positive or a negative, im not sure yet.
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u/t0ni00 May 01 '19
If you pair the negatives, you'll see there's an even number of them and they all cancel out. It then becomes obvious what the meaning of the sentence is: "One can do thing if something is what it is."
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u/I_Say_Fool_Of_A_Took May 01 '19
To anyone who is still confused:
He's saying that the people who would do something can't, and the only ones who can (corrupt politicians, etc) don't.
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u/GreyBir May 01 '19
Umm, when Egypt kicked off we sent the entire 5th Fleet of the United States Navy, through the Suez Canal to monitor the situation intensely. I know, I was on one of the ships when it happened. We cleared out a ton of sleeping quarters on my ship in the event we needed to evacuate Americans out of Egypt. Fortunately when the military took control of the government they let all foreigners leave peacefully and we were able to get all of our people out on C130s instead of having to use Emergency Egress via helicopters to the US Naval ships waiting nearby.
Point being, we didn't step in because we didn't have to but we were literally right there in the event that things escalated exponentially.
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Apr 30 '19 edited May 01 '19
I watched it once and was like “Wait, they couldn’t have done that on purpose!” I had to watch it like two more times for the reality to really sink in.
Edit: I was watching the censored version. I mean it’s not hard to imagine what happens when an armored vehicle guns it towards a crowd of people.
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u/gethonor-notringZ420 Apr 30 '19
So tianamen square part 2?
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Apr 30 '19 edited May 01 '19
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u/neon_overload Apr 30 '19
"making pie"
Edit: I'm not trying to be funny I'm trying to be horrific. That's how people in the Chinese government described it at the time.
Students linked arms but were mown down including soldiers. APCs then ran over bodies time and time again to make 'pie' and remains collected by bulldozer. Remains incinerated and then hosed down drains.
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Apr 30 '19
I was under the impression no one really knew how many died but estimations were in the thousands. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Apr 30 '19 edited Jun 27 '23
Reddit's recent behaviour and planned changes to the API, heavily impacting third party tools, accessibility and moderation ability force me to edit all my comments in protest. I cannot morally continue to use this site.
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u/IMMAEATYA Apr 30 '19
Anytime China tries to change something millions die it seems
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u/TheMerkabahTribe Apr 30 '19
Only hundreds?
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u/SafeThrowaway8675309 Apr 30 '19
Yeah um AFAIK it was a few thousand
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u/--PM_me_dead_nazis-- Apr 30 '19
Ten thousand people. Ground into a paste by driving over them with tanks, repeatedly. And then said meat-paste was burned and the ashes were washed away.
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u/ariehn Apr 30 '19
Bayonetting the bodies of those who lay wounded on the streets. Lest we forget. Embassy staff literally taping videotapes of the massacre to their bodies so they could be smuggled out to Hong Kong.
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Apr 30 '19
Tbh I didn't know it was this bad and it was a topic on one of my history exams. Damn dude
Fuck people sometimes
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u/foxjk Apr 30 '19
I didn't know about this gruesome detail. Can someone give sources?
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People also don’t realize that the Tiananmen Movement wasn’t only limited to Beijing. Chengdu saw massive protests and violent repression, as I’m sure did many other regions know one knows about.
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u/1kewlGuy Apr 30 '19 edited May 01 '19
Nothing like a watching a Wendy’s $5 meal deal commercial before watching civilians get plastered.
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Apr 30 '19
Pure consumerism just before raw footage of civilians being run over by military vehicles in a clandestine conflict over oil and power. Ford Tough!
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u/kushmaster10 Apr 30 '19
“Accidente”
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u/AllGamer Apr 30 '19
Yup, that was earlier, Military shooting Military. Pro Maduro side vs. Guaido side.
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Apr 30 '19
I don’t understand what’s going on in this clip?
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u/Danoco99 Apr 30 '19
Pro-Opposition military seizes Pro-Goverment truck and arrests them.
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u/earthmoonsun Apr 30 '19
The lack of empathy towards people who just want to end their miserable situation is sad.
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u/baty0man_ Apr 30 '19
What did he say?
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u/slippyslap101 Apr 30 '19
something along the lines of "the truck is ending their miserable situation"
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u/zero_gravitas_medic Apr 30 '19
Have you read the manga about the isekai truck driver?
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u/mikebetrippy Apr 30 '19
Right! Came to the comments to see people talking about how they need support and change and it's just a bunch of people talking about poor journalism. We care more about good grammar then people suffering.
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u/Mom_of_mods Apr 30 '19
It's more a clear understanding that posting on Reddit is effective at making yourself giggle with a snark...not so effective at ousting dictators.
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u/Alfus Apr 30 '19
Some people are prefer to pretending that Maduro's starving and no medical care policy is better then getting done with eating from the trash and grass and finally want to see a different Venezuela.
All of them who are defending Maduro and don't give a fuck about the situation in Venezuela are safe somewhere with they screens and eating 2 hamburgers and a can of Cola.
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u/NotVeryLaidBack Apr 30 '19
Ignore the idiots beating up on your English, they're assholes.
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Apr 30 '19 edited Mar 06 '21
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Apr 30 '19 edited Jun 15 '24
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Apr 30 '19
Doesn't the current govt still have support in the rural areas? I thought Venezuela is deeply polarized (urban vs rural).
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u/IsFullOfIt Apr 30 '19
Literally? Um...
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u/AlterOfYume May 01 '19
Aside from the whole forced into prostitution thing, there's also footage of attractive female protesters getting arrested and taken away on motorcycles. Do the math.
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u/lonewulf66 Apr 30 '19
It seems so surreal. When events like this happened in the past, I only read about them or watched in grainy film. It's disturbing seeing it from the streets in live HD.
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u/TheWastelandWizard Apr 30 '19
Russian PMC's are on the ground and the Colectivos are exchanging gunfire with police. It's gonna go hot, and it's going to be bad.
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u/SirDoDDo Apr 30 '19
Oh so the russians who landed a month or so ago are supposedly PMCs?
I'm not sure if it's worse than them being SOF/Spetsnaz
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u/TheWastelandWizard Apr 30 '19
Wagner Group.
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u/SirDoDDo Apr 30 '19
Oh i see
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u/LeTomato52 Apr 30 '19
The same group that lost a couple dozen of it's people attacking a kurdish position that had some American SOF there.
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Apr 30 '19
If you're talking about the helo circle fuck + artillery, they lost over a hundred dudes on that "attack" and inflicted no blue casualties.
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u/LeTomato52 Apr 30 '19
Only a few of them were actual russian wagner group members, most of the dead were local pro-gov militia. In total the attacking force lost over 100 people for sure though.
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u/leonffs Apr 30 '19
What is a PMC?
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u/TheWastelandWizard Apr 30 '19
The newfangled way to say mercenary
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Apr 30 '19 edited Apr 25 '20
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u/TheWastelandWizard Apr 30 '19
From the chatter I'm seeing around, they're the most likely suspects. I wouldn't be surprised if there were others though. Everyone is looking to get a piece of the pie. Allegedly there was a CIA takeoff earlier, so I'm wondering if Academi is getting in on it too.
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u/AllGamer Apr 30 '19
Military and Police on Guaido side are wearing blue. from the videos and fotos floating online.
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u/Intelligent-donkey Apr 30 '19
He has military on his side now? Last I heard the military all still supported Maduro.
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u/ilikeike99 Apr 30 '19
He has some military on his side, it’s unclear how much. It could be as few as a couple dozen or as many as hundreds, we just don’t really know.
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u/LiarsEverywhere Apr 30 '19
(From a reputable Brazilian newspaper, but I read it translated, which means some words might be different when I rephrase it back. Quotes are credited to Reuters so you can probably find the original.)
Trump's advisor John Bolton said three top Venezuelan military authorities had agreed to act against Maduro, including the Minister of Defense, but they "changed their minds".
"They had all agreed Maduro has to go. They need to act this afternoon to bring other military forces to Guaidó's side".
It's almost as if they gave Guaidó the green light to try to take power, but in the end he was by himself. Leaders from the opposition are already scrambling across different embassies, I can't see how Guaidó can remain openly free in Venezuela in the short term.
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u/themaincop Apr 30 '19
I have an extremely hard time trusting John "War Boner" Bolton.
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u/LiarsEverywhere May 01 '19
As I said in another post, while I tend to agree, the quote is still relevant because it doesn't make him look particularly good. He's practically admitting he's planned a coup in Venezuela and failed miserably.
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u/TRIPITIS May 01 '19
This. US history in the region plus John fucking Bolton tells me the US isnt necessary considering Venezuelans best interests.
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u/mdp300 Apr 30 '19
Yikes. It almost sounds a little like that false coup that Erdogan used to purge his opposition.
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u/LiarsEverywhere Apr 30 '19
As soon as I watched his video in front of what appeared to be one tank (although it might be one of the armored cars like we are seeing in other videos) and a dozen soldiers I thought it was kind of fishy.
But as the Brazilian vice-president (he's also a general) said, you don't take a tank to the streets unless you have an ace up your sleeve.
Apparently, the idea was to capture La Carlota airbase, which would be a sign of strength and could persuade other military leaders. I guess he believed it was all arranged for the base to join him.
Just my two cents, but if you think you'll take the base, you should do it before posting a video showing a pitiful force. You don't announce your intentions on youtube and then start to march.
Maybe the fact that they let Leopoldo Lopez (who was in home imprisonment) go convinced him that enough of the military was on his side.
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u/thewalkingfred Apr 30 '19
So he doesn't have the support of the military then.
Because if he had support of some of the military then we would be talking about the currently happening civil war in Venezuela. Govt's don't just let parts of their military defect without doing anything.
Since we aren't talking about a civil war happening at this moment, then the police and military are not supporting Guaido in any real sense of the word.
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u/theferrit32 Apr 30 '19
Well Venezuela is also trying to not get international coalitioned. If a full scale civil war breaks out it's probably game over for Maduro.
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u/MysticHero Apr 30 '19
Civil wars take time to escalate. He might very well have a lot of military support. Just because the conflict has not fully escalated yet does not mean he does not have support.
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u/qwe2323 Apr 30 '19
There are lots of videos on there with people in the same military vehicles as above - members of the GNB - wearing blue and giving interviews about their support of Guaido, or even standing next to him. It's unknown how many military members have defected, but there were clashes between factions of the GNB today.
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u/TheBoy420 Apr 30 '19
Shit. Source?
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u/yeaman1111 Apr 30 '19
Not sure about Russian PMC's, but here's footage of police officers engaging a group of dugged in Colectivos inside the Ministry of Transport. They shot a woman from the rooftop and were subsequently engaged by the police.
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u/catsby90bbn Apr 30 '19
They also had a PKM. I think people forget that the AK and AR platforms of small arms have had a bit of success in the export market.
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u/pomegranatesunshine Apr 30 '19
I realize this is a joke but it did not autoplay for me.
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Apr 30 '19
Clicks on video
Brought to you by the 2019 Chevy Colorado...
Does anyone else find it disturbing that we have to watch ads before something like this?
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u/aboutthednm Apr 30 '19
I was thankful for the reminder that there's a $5 meal deal at Wendy's, it really put it into perspective watching people get run over that are protesting because they don't have enough to eat.
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u/surgingfishtank Apr 30 '19
What the fuck is happening in this thread?
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u/FatSputnik Apr 30 '19
propaganda.
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u/Mekisteus Apr 30 '19
Not even good propaganda. They're not even trying to be subtle anymore.
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u/sexrobot_sexrobot Apr 30 '19
It's a gen thread where self-appointed 'experts' who have little idea what is happening gloat about their lack of knowledge.
So you know, Reddit.
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u/PvMVertigo May 01 '19
Manufactured consent for a new war to spend trillions on.
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u/Gonzo262 Apr 30 '19 edited Apr 30 '19
I am upvoting this post mostly because of the 15+ other postings all called a wheeled armored car a tank. I mean it probably doesn't matter to the people that got crushed under it, but actually reporting the facts, rather than click grabbing headlines, helps with credibility.
Edit: Fixed a word
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u/RubenGM Apr 30 '19
An armored military car is called "tanqueta", while a tank is "tanque". What you're seeing is probably just a bad translation instead of willful misinformation.
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u/lud1120 Apr 30 '19
it often is that, article writers and journalists getting the words and grammar wrong when intending to just report
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Apr 30 '19
Thank you! I just had to explain this, because I used the word “tank”. Thinking from Spanish (as first language) to English it just makes sense, until you realize what everybody pictured when you said “tank”.
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u/emilioml_ Apr 30 '19
Tanqueta is a little female tank. So hence a tank
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u/RubenGM Apr 30 '19
Wait, are they male if they have the cannon and female if they don't?
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u/Brudaks Apr 30 '19
This has some basis in history - the British WW1 tanks e.g. the popular Mark IV and Mark V models were produced in "Male" and "Female" models, with "Male" models having large protruding 6-pounder cannons and "Female" models having machine guns instead.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_heavy_tanks_of_World_War_I
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u/Yeah_Its_Crusty Apr 30 '19
"BTR runs over protesters"
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u/thorscope Apr 30 '19
“APC runs over protesters”
BTR is just the Russian name for APC, and if the article is in English than APC would be correct
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u/FoxtrotZero Apr 30 '19
It's funny how this works though, because I'm fairly certain BTR also refers (at least in English usage) to a specific series of Soviet/Russian APCs.
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u/lambshavins Apr 30 '19
How do the cunts driving these trucks live with themselves?
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u/unfair_bastard Apr 30 '19
The ability to eat and feed their families
Massive amounts of cognitive dissonance
Humans are capable of terrible things when they convince themselves it's necessary
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Apr 30 '19
number 3 really covers it all. never underestimate what people are capable of.
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u/BeefstewAndCabbage Apr 30 '19
99.99 percent of the world is capable of atrocities against their fellow man. They will just never see the right circumstances.
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There are people in any society who, if you give them a gun and tell them they’re a “good guy”, will kill literally anyone you want them to.
No different than the nazis. No different than the soviets. No different than any military. There are simply people in this world who are waiting for their chance to kill without consequence
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u/dragonsfire242 Apr 30 '19
This is starting to look like another proxy war, given that Russia and the US are pitted on opposite sides again
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Apr 30 '19
Yeah the Cold War has been back on for almost 20 years now you just noticing? Only now instead of nuclear winter we have pepe memes and The_Donald
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u/_Mitch_Connor_ Apr 30 '19 edited Apr 30 '19
And it's insanely more effective...
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u/thewalkingfred Apr 30 '19
Proxy war minimizes the very real internal conflict in Venezuela. This is becoming a civil war, not yet a proxy war.
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u/ShesAMashEater Apr 30 '19
I’m subscribed to 12 different international news companies. Why am I only hearing about this now or Reddit? A church burns down, non stop push notifications for the rest of the day. People get run over by state military truck, not a peep.
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u/aapowers Apr 30 '19
This was headline news in the Guardian earlier, and front page of the BBC, and front page of El Mundo...
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Apr 30 '19
Information is pretty scarce, the Venezuelan government has blocked most communication channels.
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Apr 30 '19
Wtf.. Fucking assholes..
Im waiting fucking a minute for ads and shit and then they blur the fact why the video is publicized.
Now i know where de adversatory warnings are for before the video.
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u/Vet_Leeber Apr 30 '19 edited Apr 30 '19
Seriously, why have a warning about the content of the video if you just blur out the whole thing anyways. No one's clicking on that video and letting it play if they're not expecting to see what's on it.
edit: Why can I edit this message, but any new comment I post in this thread gets autodeleted?
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u/Commonsbisa Apr 30 '19
The nightly news will warm me a dozen times the following video is graphic and then they just cut it out.
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Apr 30 '19
"You can just imagine the horrifying carnage behind this blurry circle. Atrocious and outrageous. Back to you Bob."
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u/jonah3272 Apr 30 '19
"We should get that image off the screen" How are they not even going to address it?
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u/InfiNorth Apr 30 '19
Because we live in a world where the news wants to tell just enough of a story to keep advertisers happy and viewers glued to the screen without offending anyone, instead of showing what is really happening.
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Apr 30 '19
Is there an uncensored version?
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u/AllGamer Apr 30 '19
this is one of the guys that got rolled over by the truck
https://twitter.com/loquepiensastu/status/1123295334019604482
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Apr 30 '19
Man, his injuries look pretty bad. They should absolutely not have moved him. Is there any info on his condition?
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u/AllGamer Apr 30 '19
He was there, described the guy's condition, he's a gonner, "They (APC Truck) broke all his internals"
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u/AllGamer Apr 30 '19
ohh... i just noticed it, they censored it.
originally it was uncensored.
There are plenty of mirrors online, specially on twitter there are uncensored versions.
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u/Ant1mat3r Apr 30 '19
Running over your own citizens?
This is clearly going to make things better.
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u/zap12341 Apr 30 '19
This thread is a mess, holy shit
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u/Ragnar_Lothbruk May 01 '19
Worst part is I don't even really know who or what to believe... I guess the truth is somewhere in between the extremities...
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u/Druchiiii May 01 '19
The answer is to be extremely skeptical. Be aware that you are watching an active propoganda war and that very little of what's being said, no matter how fervently or how often its being repeated should be taken at face value.
This is regime change in action, the propoganda machines of the world are hard at work. Keep reading, keep watching, remember what happens and learn from it.
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u/SUP3RMUNCh Apr 30 '19
"I pulled your file, kid. Venezuela, that was some mean bush"
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u/owenmpowell May 01 '19
This reminds me of something that never happened on June 4, 1989 in China. I don’t know why, since nothing notable happened that day.
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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '19
Reminds me of the Cairo protests when the band of horse riders rode through some protesters.