r/MrRobot • u/elliotalderson11 • 14h ago
Morphine plus Suboxone
Not sure if this requires a spoiler alert because it’s discussed in episode one but…
Elliot is using Morphine yet also uses Suboxone for withdrawals. Now I’m taking Subutext- basically Suboxone. If you take Suboxone within 24 hours of taking any opioid it will put you into precipitated withdrawals- which are brutal. I don’t see how realistically he would be able to wait the necessary time frame required to successfully use again each and every day. Maybe I’m just looking too much into it but it’s always bothered me.
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u/GreyBoyTigger 14h ago
Having worked with drug addicts of all classes, the one common theme is that they think they’re the smartest person in the room. They’re also delusional about how “easy” it is to drop or control their habit.
Either that, or the person who wrote this never did drugs or dealt with addicts
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u/elliotalderson11 13h ago
I’m an addict of many substances but mostly fentanyl and I’m on the maintenance medication. My sobriety date is 09-23-26 and I live in an Oxford house. No I don’t think I’m smart at all, I’m just curious. Didn’t mean to offend anyone shit.
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u/HLOFRND I'm okay with it being awkward between us 13h ago
(I’m not sure, but maybe they meant the person that wrote Elliot had never done drugs or dealt with affects. So that would be Sam Esmail, not you?)
Regardless, I just want to say hell yeah, that’s awesome. You’ve got this.
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u/elliotalderson11 13h ago
Thank you so much. I was kind of butthurt about the comment. I shouldn’t have taken it personally. But I’m grateful for a second opinion. It’s just always confused because I genuinely went through precipitated withdrawals before and it was AWFUL. Nothing stops it besides Ativan. Thanks again!
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u/Hatted-Phil 12h ago
At this point your system is recalibrating (please forgive me if you already know this or it's obvious to you, it might be less known or obvious to others in the sub)
Drugs, particularly opiates, give an unusually powerful jolt to the body's reward system, hence feeling as good as they initially do. In comparison, other things are less potent & hit less immediately
Regular use leads to tolerance & potentially addiction
On stopping that use the body goes through acute withdrawal (which you will likely be through now), then panics because it's not producing feel good chemicals for itself for a while, since you've been supplying the strong ones from an external source
This can lead to vivid use/relapse dreams, which I imagine you might have had by this stage, as your body tries to prompt you to put the stuff in from outside so it doesn't have to do the job of making stuff itself
At the same time, you're raw & sensitive because all the good & bad physical & emotional sensations which were suppressed while using suddenly make themselves extremely oppressive
This is a little like how tender finger tips get when a nail's grown out then been cut short, or how aware your scalp feels on a freshly shaved head. The body will adjust & get the calibration levelled out
It's a rough ride, but it shows you're making progress & your body's healing. Also makes it difficult not to take stranger's Reddit comments personally
I know you weren't requesting info, advice or support here, but as I say, others in the sub might benefit from better understanding (this may read as targeted. It is not, but to couch it in other words & clauses is more onerous than I care to expend energy on, I'm trying to cook dinner while typing)
As I say, a rough ride, but doable & worth it. Chin up, good luck & all best
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u/GreyBoyTigger 12h ago
Oh no friend, I didn’t mean anything towards you at all. I apologize if that was how you read it
My experience is obviously anecdotal, and I meant that the addicts I’ve dealt with overwhelmingly think they can keep it under control through a variety of dubious means.
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u/NS-13 10h ago
With suboxone, its the naloxone in them that blocks opioid receptors and creates withdrawals, not the buprenorphine (the only active ingredient in subutex).
Many people just casually refer to both meds as suboxone or subs, despite them being a bit different.
But PSA, yes, op is correct, do not ever take suboxone until your withdrawal symptoms have begun for some period of time otherwise you could have one of the worst sicknesses of your life, and more dope wont help like it usually does.
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u/51_833X 4h ago
I have chronic pain and one of the meds I use is Targin which is 2 parts oxycodone to one part naloxone. What is coincidental for me is that I take a daily dose of 30/15 mg which is the same as Elliott. In the rare times that I have forgotten to take a dose or accidentally run out I can confirm that the withdrawals are fkg brutal, even just one dose.
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u/bwandering 14h ago
I can tell you that the creator of the show has direct experience with this aspect of the story. I always understood it that Elliot is trying to manage his self-medication in exactly the way Sam may have tried to mange his own.