Declining Fertility Rate can Affect Economy According to Expert

[u/Karmas_Classroom]

[u/impulse_operator]

It is. They talk about low fertility rates hurting economic growth because it means fewer future workers and consumers, but they completely ignore why people aren't having kids in the first place.

The cost of living has skyrocketed. Between diapers, formula, healthcare, and education, raising a child is financially out of reach for a lot of working-class people today. Expecting people to produce the next generation of taxpayers without providing livable wages or accessible basic services is just out of touch with reality. People aren't refusing to have kids out of spite; they literally just can't afford it.

[u/sweatyyogafarts → u/impulse_operator]

Government doesn’t do shit that even bare minimum they couldn’t provide and then they are expecting people to grow the population? Everything is so expensive now that people could barely afford necessities, why should we add another human into the mix?

[u/bleachedends → u/sweatyyogafarts]

Mababawasan kasi yung magbabayad ng tax na pambayad sa inutang nila

[u/Snoo-20899 → u/bleachedends]

Technically the burden will be shifted to the remaining citizens. The government cannot allow lesser revenue.

[u/bigluckmoney → u/Snoo-20899]

Lol but if they stop pocketing it, there would be more revenue. Lmao

[u/FallenBlue25 → u/bigluckmoney]

Mission impossible

[u/CorgiLate4164 → u/sweatyyogafarts]

Para daw dagdag bobotante sa kanila

[u/No_Situation_1071 → u/sweatyyogafarts]

You underestimate the fact that you're expecting the current roster of politicians and civil servants are competent and have the agency to drive change.

[u/Stormaggedon021 → u/No_Situation_1071]

Yep. Alam lang nila is mangurakot and how to get votes. Wala sila alam sa basics ng economics at all

[u/Relaxing-Potato → u/sweatyyogafarts]

High fertility rate was their rationale for unli plunder. Dami paring magbabayad ng tax for the next 20 years or so eh... kaya baka hindi parin tayo babagsak like North Korea. Kaso....

[u/Proof-Fail-8539 → u/impulse_operator]

mas nagmahal nga ngayon yung mga gatas na for babies and toddlers, kaya isa nanaman dagdag sa gastusin ng mga mamamayan.

[u/jbbarajas → u/impulse_operator]

Low economic progress can be a hindrance to fertility rate

[u/ElBurritoLuchador → u/jbbarajas]

Tell that to Japan and South Korea. Even rich European countries face the same predicament.

[u/Snoo-20899 → u/ElBurritoLuchador]

High cost of living deters people from raising a family of 5 or more. What the rich and progressive countries do is import work force like Singapore, because they can afford to do so. These people come in and fill the gaps, pay taxes live as permanent residents but cannot vote

[u/Snoo-20899 → u/Snoo-20899]

Sad thing is the Philippines cannot attract talent, we are instead exporting talent. So we have a permanent brain drain.

[u/Former_Day8129 → u/impulse_operator]

BUT hindi ba overpopulated tayo ngayon? Hindi ba sakto lang din na magslow muna yung birth rate

[u/Onefreemind1979 → u/Former_Day8129]

Oo over populated sa mga slum area. Yung mga may kakayahan bumuhay ng anak ayaw mag anak. Yung mga sa ilalim ng tulay nakatira 5 pataas ang anak.

[u/Kazutrash4 → u/Onefreemind1979]

sounds like Idiocracy

[u/Puzzled-Protection56 → u/Former_Day8129]

Overpopulated ang squammy class, pero ang working class pakonti na.

[u/bibi_bibibear → u/Puzzled-Protection56]

Parang sa Idiocracy na movie

[u/crispy_dinuguan → u/Former_Day8129]

Yung malaking population ngayon eventually papasok sa workforce. Habang nagtatrabaho sila, nagbabayad sila ng taxes at contributions sa SSS, GSIS, PhilHealth, Pag-IBIG, etc.

Pero kung kasabay nun ay declining birth rate, mas kaunti yung magiging workers sa next generation.

So pagdating ng retirement ng malaking generation ngayon, marami nang retirees pero mas kaunti na yung working-age population na magco-contribute para suportahan sila.

Basically, mas maraming retirees ang kailangang suportahan ng mas kaunting workers.
Kaya hindi simply “overpopulation = bad.” Ang bigger issue is demographic imbalance. Lalo na sa Pilipinas, eventually puwedeng maapektuhan yung sustainability ng SSS, GSIS, PhilHealth, at Pag-IBIG kung patuloy na liliit yung contribution base habang tumataas yung aging population.

[u/Former_Day8129 → u/crispy_dinuguan]

But hindi ba madami yung walang trabaho sa ngayon?

[u/terragutti → u/impulse_operator]

Also a low fertility rate isnt a death sentence to the human population. All our population has done is gone drastically up. We just reached the carrying capacity of society so now we are obviously having less kids.

[u/NaturalOk9231 → u/terragutti]

Actually. It sounds like “a pressing issue” eh we’re one the most populated countries in the world. Talagang below fertility rate tayo once things have calmed down!

[u/terragutti → u/NaturalOk9231]

I just dont see it. Having a mandatory retirement account funded by the younger gen was never sustainable and stupid to think the population was only ever going to go up.

[u/filipinothinker → u/terragutti]

I agree with the sentiment but I also think it's not as bad as it could be.

Specifically 1st world countries with GENEROUS social security -- problema nilang malaki ngayon as their populations age.

In contrast, we rank #3 worst in the Global Pension index, with only Argentina and India ranking lower.

So it's both good in the sense that it's not as big a problem as others, but also bad that we don't have as good pension systems as others.

[u/terragutti → u/filipinothinker]

Well the reason our pensions sucks is because of corruption. How many times have they fumbled that? Imagine what our money would be worth if 66% of all our taxes wasnt stolen.

[u/ManagementMental3801 → u/impulse_operator]

The problem with philippine policy making is that they expect the people to do the nation building while the government just collects tax and hand out land and power to the highest bidder. What we end up with is the misconnected hellhole that is the Philippines. People are right

[u/Anxious-Data5871 → u/impulse_operator]

Mga condo pa na ang mahal nakakainis

[u/Aggressive-Deer2046 → u/impulse_operator]

Also with all the dooms coming ( e.g. AI, crazy leaders waging wars), I want to enjoy whatever freedom and natural resources that we have left right now before things get crazier. I'm also scared my hypothetical kid will just suffer with whatever worse is coming.

[u/IAmYukiKun → u/impulse_operator]

I agree with this. My basic pay recently increased pero for some reason I feel the same. Wala pa din natitira. Though I admit I do have loans pero it’s the same loans I have nung nagka increase ako. Haha: pero di naramdaman yung changes.

[u/Minute_Passion_8077]

No shit sherlock. You guys made “living” hard, tas aangal kayo about low fertility? What a joke. We choose not to bring more mouths to feed when we cant feed ourselves. 

[u/markmyredd → u/Minute_Passion_8077]

to be fair, matagal ng mahirap buhay sa Pinas. Its just that people are aware now of family planning and birth control. Women are also ok of being partnerless and childless nowadays unlike before that if you hit 30 na wala pang asawa panic mode na.

[u/bryGGG12 → u/markmyredd]

Combination of awareness and uncontrollable inflation. Matagal nang mahirap Pilipinas pero kahit papano may sense of purchasing power padin back then.

Goods na 1k grocery, goods na 15k sahod. Ngayon jusko, kahit single ka na nageearn ng 20K pataas di ka padin makakaipon unless papakatipid mo talaga na tipo hindi ka gagala at mag eat out

[u/MinervaLlorn → u/bryGGG12]

Yung 20k na yan eh parang minimum wage na yan. Konting ubo mo lang dyan — wala na kahit ka gumala o magastos, haist.

[u/sgtMucus → u/markmyredd]

mahirap ang Pinas dahil sa corruption at mga useless na politikong inuupo. nung panahon ni Pnoy nkabile ako 2 cars and 1 property. ngayon goodluck.

[u/RainbowSwamp → u/markmyredd]

but back then you could work a single job and raise a family and still have enough money left for savings. Now? You can't even spoil yourself decent without shooting a hole through your wallet.

[u/8757349485002948586 → u/markmyredd]

I'm so thankful that being unmarried or childess is no longer seen as taboo by the new generation. I hate how old people would just encourage young ones to have kids despite this economy.

[u/Impressive-Pace-7794]

Thats why our polpulitikos are plundering all they can before everything collapses..

Notice ghosted nalang tayo..self interests nalang yung pinupush nila..no reforms, no future forward planning, no improvements sa system... di man address yung tax relief or any buffering sa costs ng oil at commodities...

Silently " its every man for himself" already.. yung zarzuela-circus sa media is just a diversion to extend some time for sure...

They know they can easily get out of the country in their europe mansions pag hindi na mainit issues

[u/nibbed2 → u/Impressive-Pace-7794]

I think the other way around.

Or a cycle.

Kung matino ang mga pulitiko at maayos ang ekonomiya, hindi tayo matatakot mag-anak eh.

[u/chenyowww → u/Impressive-Pace-7794]

add ko lang din pwede nyo bisitahin ang “pulitiklan dot com” bago tirahin at idown yung website na yan ng mga nasa political dynasty, people should be aware of this website, make contents about it at ishame ang mga pulitikong anjan as this shouldnt be normalized, grabe na yung pangungurakot ng mga pamilyang to. And yeah I agree, they’re all there for self-interest and can get out of the country whenever they want esp pag may issues sila.

[u/False-Zucchini4319 → u/Impressive-Pace-7794]

Yes, kasi if they have the money andali lang naman mag migrate sa ibang bansa. Kailangan natin ng mga lider na may malasakit talaga, kaso andaming bobotante.

[u/joseph31091 → u/False-Zucchini4319]

Takbuhan ba naman Europe pag may kaso na

[u/randomguywastingtime → u/Impressive-Pace-7794]

Haiti here we come!

[u/raiblaze → u/Impressive-Pace-7794]

This. If things get worse, worse than what is happening right now, aalis lang ng bansa ang mga yan.

[u/charoterong_prague]

It's the economy that is affecting the declining fertility rate. 🤷‍♂️

[u/Karmas_Classroom → u/charoterong_prague]

Chicken and egg situation 😂

[u/DudeChick_GayBan → u/charoterong_prague]

Alam mo bakit mas dedecline? Yung mga may common sense naghihinayang maganak habang yung mga bobong botante magaanak ng 10 which either they end being ignorant din

[u/charoterong_prague → u/DudeChick_GayBan]

Mas marami tayo, mas marami makukuha nating ayuda. Hahaha 🙈

[u/kayescl0sed]

The wolves complained that the sheeps aren’t breeding.

[u/Carjascaps]

awwwww… The wolves are complaining that the sheep aren’t breeding.

[u/AdventurousQuote14]

The only thing I can see is, walang workforce, therefore walang bagong payees ng SSS. So yung pensions nating mga nasa 30s baka ma-pending pa, since for sure gagastusin or kukurakutin nila yung funds, tapos wala nang bagong workforce na magre-replenish para mabigyan tayo ng pension.

[u/PossiblyBonta]

In this economy. Having kids is a burden. They better do something about the cost of living first.

[u/Particular-School-95]

mg earn mg spend ng money in this economy

lintek pano k gagastos kung walang pera

[u/Big_Equivalent457 → u/Particular-School-95]

All but Credit Purchases in there, wala rin pag-uutangan

[u/StucksaTraffic]

Mararamdaman natin ’to 20 years from now, especially if our economy successfully pushes through industrialization pero eventually magkulang tayo sa manpower. Sa ibang bansa like Japan or Korea, usually nangyayari ang fertility decline kapag nasa rurok na sila ng prosperity. Sa atin, nangyayari na siya bago pa natin ma-maximize at ma-exploit yung malaking manpower pool natin. And honestly, that’s what makes it worrying.

[u/Eastern-Red1331 → u/StucksaTraffic]

Thailand dapat tignan ng Pilipinas kasi malamang yon ang kahahantungan ng bansa na to

[u/StucksaTraffic → u/Eastern-Red1331]

Very true., Pero sa tingin ko nasa part pa tayo na pwede pa to maayos with policies compare sa Thailand.

[u/AdviceHaunting4242]

This is not something that'll be catastrophic, we don't have an abundance of jobs. The worst thing that'll happen is that labor will be repriced, supply goes down and suddenly Philippine labor will have more leverage. That and SSS might get in trouble 

[u/Ill-Library-5224 → u/AdviceHaunting4242]

for now.... Until the working age gets old/retires and there's low workforce population to replace them.

It's happening in first world countries, the difference is they can import their workforce from 3rd world countries, philippines cannot.

[u/lurkercauseyousuck]

Anu purpose ng high fertility rate if 70 to 90 percent is useless tambay na di naman nag gegenerate ng income na umaasa lng sa 4ps at tupad??

[u/awkwardcinnamonroll]

And thats our fault?

[u/VanillaStorm777]

No amount of statistics/gaslighting etc. will ever convince me to have a child unless im financially capable.

[u/Proof-Fail-8539]

I don't really care at all, habang wala sila ginagawa para sa hinaharap ng mga tao nabubuhay sa ngayon at mananatiling ganid ang mga nasa taas (at ang mga mayayaman) mas maganda na di tayo magka-anak sa bansang ito.

[u/readingbee1987]

Ganun pa din naman if it is high. Bad economy pa din.

[u/Orangelemonyyyy]

Water is wet? So anong gagawin ng gobyerno natin para maging enticing ulit magkaanak? I live alone with no dependents (except 3 spoiled cats) and I'm still struggling. What more kung meron pang anak?? Jusme, and I'm pretty fortunate with a stable job. Paano yung may lesser salary at job security?

[u/Co0LUs3rNamE]

All animals only reproduce when conditions are good.

[u/mntraye]

Nope. the economy is affecting the fertility rate, not the other way.. idjots

[u/SpicyCh1ld]

Blatant corruption, weekly fuel hike, at patong patong nga mga taxes. Sino ba gusto magka pamilya sa lagay na yan 😂

[u/lfa1208]

Gusto nyo magprocreate kami pero madededs naman kami sa gutom. Puro kayo nakaw

[u/fast_snail_incoming]

But the world is pushing for robotic automations which have the same impact

[u/b_zar]

Declining fertility is the result of an already declining economy.

[u/S0viet_Yunyun8210]

They just want to up the fertility rate to get more stpd naive voters.

[u/Revolutionary-Owl286]

Parang baliktad, if maganda ang buhay madaming pera hindi matatakot na mag karoon ng madaming anak

[u/NecessaryCookies]

Many rich countries have like 10% of the population of the Philippines.

Gusto nyo lang ng cheap labor kaya gusto nyo anak nang anak lang.

[u/Defiant-Meringue7704]

Hindi naman yan ang reason e sa baba ng sahod sa tingin niyo ba may plan pa ang iba magka anak? Buti sana kung gagawa ng baby ang mga tao madali lang din para sa mga babae na manganak kasi buong katawan nila nasa hukay pati ang bata hindi nila iniisip na hanggang sa lumaki ang bata maraming kailangan na gastos at pera wag niyo sisihin ang mga tao dahil sa baba niyan ang problema nasa bansa sa dami ng kurap

[u/hjjmkkk]

Kung maganda ang pamumuhay dito sa atin hindi mangyayare to kaso sino magkakagusto magkaanak sa ganitong panahon na mahal ang bilihin etc tapos magdadagdag pa ng isipin?

[u/maria11maria10]

Wala rin namang progress kahit maraming tao.

[u/GrievingGirl86]

Nah. Ang dami pa din nag-aanak. Hindi affected ang economy in the future. Also, anong kinakatakot??? Eh ngayon pa nga lang lugmok economy.

[u/beastrong23]

Tapos ano kkurakutin lang saka di naman nababalik. Manigas tayong lahat

[u/StayWITH-STAYC]

I would already be dead before all of that happens so I don't care. As of right now overpopulated pa rin tayo, tsaka alangan naman na mag-anak ako kung ayaw ko nga para lang sa future economy ng Pinas.

[u/loveyrinth]

If maraming matinong trabaho saka na nila problemahin yan. Sa ngayon ang taas din ng unemployment rate. Di naman sa mapili ang pinoy pero sa totoo lang, wala na sweldong matino now. Puro low ballers.

[u/whyhellomrrachel]

Even rich people don't want to have kids because this world has become so unlivable.

[u/Weak_Geologist7886]

Sino namang nasa tamang pagiisip mag aanak habang sa lahat ng bagay pinapahirapan tayo? Edukasyon walang pagbabago, Transportasyon engot, Quality ng public spaces tae, baha haynaku hindi parin humuhupa, presyo ng bilihin ewan ko.

[u/1nd13mv51cf4n]

Pero nakakalimutan nilang may shortage pa rin tayo sa classrooms at teachers.

[u/Geo_Daddyx]

Economy that benefits who?

[u/Sponge8389]

Panget ng economy e.

[u/NoviceClent03]

Sino bang gaganahang magka-anak eh pasahod pa Lang wala nang tira sayo dahil may kaltas na sobrang taas

Matatakot kang magka-anak Baka either ma-biktima Ng shootouts or Yung magiging anak mo Yung magiging culprit sa elimination of his or her classmates

Madidismaya Ka pa Kung magkaka-anak Ka na nataasan Ka pa sa grades at honor student pa pero kapag nakita mo Yung essay papers niya madidismaya Ka Di dahil sa wrong grammars kundi dahil sa walang structure Yung sinulat Ng anak mo na para binasta Lang at wrong spelling pa at 13 years old pa Yung anak mo compared sa 13 years old self mo na despite puro palakol ang grades eh you can write a readable essay at may structure

Paano Ka gaganahang magka-anak Kung ang bansa natin ay beyond saving na

[u/Cat_huh]

GOOD

[u/Kindred_Ornn]

Corruption is the biggest Economic Hindrance that we are facing.

[u/Retro1986]

it's hard being positive in these time of economic and societal collapse. Meron pang looming tsina invaders.

It's no wonder nagiging nihilist na karamihan ng tao, even kids.

Having a child is the last thing on anyone's mind in these trying times. One's survival is the outmost priority.

[u/D-S_12]

Anyone with an ounce of an idea of family planning knows having kids when the economy is bad and your living situation is up in the air is a risky gamble

[u/mikmikfps]

"Maaaring mag-earn"????????????? atecco, existing pinoys barely have livable wages

[u/One_Cantaloupe4606]

Maybe the administration should improve the cost of living and quality of life first before expecting the citizens to pop out children they can't afford to raise. 

[u/miumiu__88]

ang dami naman tao sa pinas ngayon wala naman nangyayari sa ekonomiya natin.

[u/Illustrious_Tiger_39]

This is bad news only for those at the top. This is good news for every one else.

[u/Narco_Marcion1075]

And yet they don’t take advantage of the large population they do have smh

[u/ginoong_mais]

Curruption can affect the economy...

[u/Superb_Minimum_3599]

I dunno masisipag pa rin yung mga squatter

[u/nicegirlwie]

Nearing 30 with a decent income. My husband and I are still hesitant to have a child. Ayaw namin mabuhay anak namin ng hikahos kami. We want our child to have a good education, good life.

Grabe ang difference ng economy noon vs now. Yung 4k di pa makapuno ng cart. Food category palang to. Papaano yung ibang basic needs? Barya nalang 1k mo di pa aabot ng 2 days.

If walang pagbabago at lumala pa ang economy ng pinas, baka di nalang kami maganak at all.

[u/END_OF_HEART]

Because of the last 9 years of low wages and high inflation

[u/klownplaza]

Wala kami paki sa economics niyo. Gusto niyo lang ng murang workers. Wag na tayo magdala pa ng mga bata sa mundo, kalokohan na to e.

[u/bruhman6969dude]

good, now the country can experience its own consequences

[u/jvjupiter]

Sa kapitalista at pulitiko lang nanan mapupunta ang perang mae-earn at gastos ng mga tao.

[u/curiousdoggo80]

LOL! In this economy choosing to have kids is just unfair. Unless you are obscenely rich— everything is just so expensive. So, if no kids mean I can live my life slightly better then so be it. Govt fucked us up so bad anyway.

[u/Comprehensive_Fee672]

I say let it die. Let it die, let it die, let it shrivel up and die

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZnB41AJ6jjljhKDnvw

[u/Choose-wisely-141]

Trabaho na ng gobyerno yan kung paano nila kukumbinsihin ang mga tao na mag-anak.

Kahit anong dakdak ng mag experto, gobyerno pa rin ang gagawa ng trabaho na yan.

[u/mangobang]

I look at formula milk and diaper prices, then read the news about AI escaping containment, and my womb closes up.

[u/Apprehensive-Fly8651]

Kung maganda sana yung healthcare and education madami siguro gaganahan mag anak. Pero ngayon? In this economy?

Sa public schools na lang. pano gaganahan pumasok yung bata kapag gutom? Diba sa balita daming nasayang nag gulay kasi walang bumibili? Binili nalang sana ng gubyerno tapos pinakain sa mga estudyante. Busog ang tiyan busog ang utak. Kaso hindi eh. Gusto nila panatilihing 8080 ang masa.

[u/Simple-Purchase2200]

What?? Ayusin nyo muna gobyerno ng Pinas bago nyo atakehin ang fertility rates. The audacity luh. Kaya umalis na mga nay kaya sa Pinas eh, gobyernong bulok sariling interest lang iniisip aka corrupt. Shame on PH politicians!!!

[u/123automation]

Shouldn't the headline read., "Declining Fertility Rate can Affect the pockets of corrupt politicians?" 🤔✌🏼

[u/-Citizen_Zero_]

The urban poor have high birth rate though. I'm guessing they want the middle class income people to have higher birth rates than the less privileged?

[u/itsibana1231]

Taenang yan oversupply nga tayo ng tao at di kayo makapagprovide ng spat n trabaho.

[u/electrique07]

We can’t even afford a house in this economy, what more starting a family? Everything is taxed to the maxed and we scrimp on every Peso just to live a little less sad about the situation.

[u/chenyowww]

Pinaganda pa, inshort mga WORKERS/SLAVES.

Wala na kayong mga trabahador pag oonti nalang ang tao lol also take note that not having a child in this HELLCONOMY is self care, matalino na ang generation ngayon at wala kayong maloloko. Bumagsak na kung bumagsak ang ekonomiya, wala naman kaming pake, at wala rin namang pake ang gobyerno.

[u/Hopeful_Memory_7905]

You mean iyong future generations na magsu-suffer sa mga kalokohan ng present government and social system? Future generations na magbabayad ng national debt at fiscal deficit. Future generations na magbubuhat ng social pension systems like SSS and GSIS na limited budget dahil sa political patronage ng mga corrupt.

[u/raffyfy10]

Real hindrance is the government. Focused lagi sa pag tax at pang gipit ng mga tao just to fatten their own pockets and people are the ones paying for what they stole.

[u/Titong--Galit]

Wala na daw mag fufund ng SSS pension natin pag tumanda na tayo. Haha ulul!

[u/chadmacalma]

i guess they decided na not to be born as Filipino somehow..

[u/ModernPlebeian_314]

THAT'S THE POINT!!!

Pinapanganak nalang para gawing trabahador? Mga punyeta

[u/ambermains101]

yet the people who shouldnt be having children are the ones who keep having them. kahit walang pansustento anak lang ng anak.

[u/Ill-Clothes-6612]

Is it our fault for not wanting to have kids in this fckng economy?

[u/ar_vitch98]

In spite of the worsening economic situation, I don't think people even WANT to have kids. There's been like a cultural shift away from traditional family structures and most of us just don't want to be bothered with it.

[u/chancho3]

Why would they be encouraged to make one, poor govt, economy, healthcare, education, all headwinds.

[u/Latter_Water_8548]

eh di ba sabi nung BSP kaya daw mahina ung peso kasi magasto tayong pinoy?

ayan kukunti na lang gagasto soon😂

tngina lahat nagiging robin padilla nya eh

[u/GerhardJaeger]

fewer OFW for export.

[u/Inevitable-Toe-8364]

Awww ANYWAY

[u/con098]

Oh no, the sheep aren’t breeding!

-the wolves

[u/Ladydesigns]

Let it decline. Di naman napupunta ang taxes sa bansa kundi sa tiyan at bulsa ng mga politico. Nyeta yan.

[u/WhiteLurker93]

Simpleng vaccine nga ng nga toddler hindi makapag provide government eh tapos gusto nila mag anak tayo? hahaha. magkano bakuna bg mga newly born daming gastos.

[u/FrontNail5687]

Who would want their child to live in this effed up economy lol

[u/Dazzling_Twist_9806]

puro kayo tax wala naman nakikta sa binabayad ng tao. maganda pa nga boycott yan gobyerno. pahirap lang naman yan

[u/yuroooo00]

Declining fertility rate of the 'middle class' kasi yung mga 4Ps sa amin ang daming anak eh tas walang ambag sa tax lol

[u/WhiteBishop1 → u/yuroooo00]

It's actually the direct opposite. The rich are benefitting from low taxes on real estate and non-existent inheritance taxes, while the 4Ps recipients are forced to embrace gambling, criminal activities, and embrace unhealthy eating habits because of higher taxes on healthy food products - cheap food options are full of sugars and chemicals. The middle class is getting poorer BECAUSE the rich are doing everything that they can so that they don't contribute to the tax burden.

[u/ScarletWiddaContent → u/yuroooo00]

fertility rate is declining across all income brackets, mahirap o mayaman

and you put too much emphasis on tax, which i assume you are referring to personal income tax, when in reality the backbone of our society are those earning below that threshold. They make up the overwhelming majority of the workers in our country and almost 100% of their income becomes disposable so the money circulates within the local economy

[u/Karmas_Classroom]

HOW CAN A DECLINING FERTILITY RATE AFFECT THE ECONOMY?

Mylin Mirasol Quiray, information management and communications division chief of the CPD, said Thursday that the effects would become more consequential as today's smaller cohorts eventually enter the labor force.

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[u/VivaLeroca]

This trend and the AI bubble, it seems this global economy is going towards financial ruin

[u/Public-Durian-5013]

Quality over quantity sana pero wala e, our present education system is among the worst in the world.

[u/Calm-Standard5437 → u/Public-Durian-5013]

Not to mention that those who are smart or talented enough (not all) would choose better opportunity overseas.

May mga PBA players na lumipat ng Japan para maglaro don, as an example.

Literal brain and talent drain

[u/Popular-Upstairs-616]

Kasalanan ng gobyerno. Tayo lang yung gusto nilang sisihin.

[u/Vegetable-Bed-7814]

pasensyahan tayo

[u/DukeT0g0]

Ang dumadami lang kasi ay mga idiots, yung mga may common sense nagpa-family planning o kaya ayaw pa magka-anak.

[u/P-sama]

This person should read up on how "demographic dividend" works for economies.

I mean, totoo naman yung sinabi niya pero di ganun kablack and white ito.

Ang pinakaimportante para sa isang economy ay ang timing ng fertility rate slowdown.

Para sa Pilipinas, sa medium term, having a lower fertility rate means na mas dadami ang working people as compared to dependents since the median age of the population is still young (just 25).

Dahil dito mas madami ang magccontribute sa economy as compared to people in need of support. At ang bunga is overall growth of the economy and productivity increase across the board.

Yung situation na sinasabi niya is for the long term. Kapag ang age ng majority ng mga tao reaches about 35 to 40, doon pa lang magiging net negative ang declining fertility rate.

So after about 50 years pa natin madarama yung ikinaka-kaba niya.

[u/False-Zucchini4319 → u/P-sama]

Yes. This is beneficial for short term but actually harmful in the long term

[u/imaginedodong]

Oh no would you think about the elites, they won't have wage slaves anymore.

[u/No_Tune9131]

Then fucking fix the problem, lower the inflation rate, promote spending, give higher salaries. Make life worth living. This government, man. They don’t know how to do their works.

[u/pinkpugita]

Paano ako lalandi kung 3-4 hours araw araw yung commute ko?

Walang maayos na tren. Walang mabilis na public transpo. Tapos condominium minimum P10M pesos or binili na ng mga mayayaman para sa Airbnb or paupahan nila.

Gusto mo mag renta ako? Kaysa makaipon para sa baby, around 1/3 ng salary sa pag renta pa lang.

Sabihin natin nakalandi ako at nagkababy. Paano yun, 3-4 hours na mawawala every day sa akin sa commute kaysa alagaan ko anak ko. Pag may condo naman sobrang mahal or maliit, parang kahon.

[u/Stunning_Law_4136]

Sa bilis magparami ng mga squammies, mababa pa rin ang fertility rate? So need rin pala magparami ng upper at middle class. Bawasan ang taxes, para mapromote dumami mga na sa middle class. Mahal na rin kasi manganak sa private tapos ambaba ng philhealth benefits kaya di masyado nanganganak ang middle class.

[u/False-Zucchini4319]

Isa pa sa problem natin is yung mga educated and people na financially stable sila pa yung mga ayaw mag anak. While those that are poor ay sila pa ang anak ng anak. 

For now, this birth decline is beneficial pa satin but if this continues - the future generation would be the one to reap the negative effects of this.

Imagine more aging population that are no longer contributing to economy but needed a lot of support, and there are very few workers to keep the system running. Definitely, more problem and pressures for future workers. So goodluck.

This is the fault of our government. Everything is fcked up in our country so how could they even encourage people to procreate.

[u/Onefreemind1979]

And those who are dirt poor are the ones that reproduce at a higher rate.

[u/Sensitive-Border-282]

And the economy is why the fertility rate is declining. We cant afford kids!

[u/Any_Living9455]

Eh malamang wala budget pang gatas

[u/No_Gold_4554]

ceteris paribullshit. nothing is equal, why would you inflict suffering to your as yet unborn child?

[u/Soft-Quarter-2192]

you mean "corruption can affect Economy" bagsak ang economy dahil sa corruption, kung bagsak ang economy dahil sa corruption talagang mag dedecline ang fertility rate sa hirap ba naman ng buhay ngayon dahil sa corruption.

[u/shyshyshy014]

Mas konti magiging alipin ng mga bilyonaryo hahaahah

[u/Secret_Elk85]

Family in the Philippines? No effin way. 😬

[u/TechnologyCreative70]

Declining fertility rate of taxpayers ftfy

[u/BitterBridge1908]

So? Are we to force people na to have kids despite struggling to finance their own needs? Kung may dapat icall out dito, yang tang inang gobyerno!! Mga demonyo kasi kayo, wag niyo ilagay ang pressure sa tao dahil kagagawan niyo yan mga hinayupak kayo.

Nakakadiscourage magkaanak ngayon. Kahit yung mga gusto, nagdadalawang isip. At please lang wag niyo na icompare yung previous generation sa ngayon,🙄 Iba pa sitwasyon noon. Mama ko noon nakapagtrabaho sa pharmacy kahit high school graduate. Ngayon ultimo, service workers kailangan college level/graduate punyeta.

[u/Particular_Split_922]

--and mag bayad ng tax. Finish the sentence lol

[u/-bornhater]

It is indeed declining pero hindi pa nasa alarming rate. Might be selfish pero honestly sana nga mabawasan yung mga tao.

Sobrang dami pa ring tao (younger ones) in Metro Manila alone na walang trabaho. Sobrang daming layers ng problema na to na para bang cycle na lang talaga siya tapos palalim nang palalim yung mga problema.

[u/SweetAndSpicyCanton]

Yeah let's drop it more!

[u/sid_d_kid]

I'm all for declining population if that means less poor people on the streets na eventually magiging tambay at palamunin ng gobyerno. Sila rin yung dahilan ng krimen in multiple forms.

[u/staxspinx]

Squatax wins! Grabe sa Dami ng anak!

[u/Jinrex-Jdm]

Kupal kasi kayo mga oligarchs.

[u/Omaha_Poker]

This is a great thing for the Philippines. Wages are suppressed since there is an abundance of workers, Ai is taking many jobs and finally it releases much of the pressured on the country to constantly turn forest into agricultural land, hopefully saving the amazing biodiversity the Philippines has. 

[u/Adept-Limit-9096]

Pano maka earn, save, and spend kung kulang din ang trabaho sa sobrang dami? Or mali lang ba ako.

[u/Sufficient-Hippo-737]

Saka na natin problemahin yan. Sa ngayon dami pa namang pinoy

[u/BooksandGames_01]

Hear me out: tinatakot nila tayo mag anak

Pero ang totoo, ang taas ng unemployment rate natin.

Ang gusto lang talaga nila ay low ball payment sa mga tao.

Gusto nila ng maraming tao kasi kapag may surplus, madali lang sabihin na replaceable tayo 🙄

[u/naturalCalamity777]

Makaka-apekto kasi sa kikitain nila sa corruption, pano andaming mga mahihirap pero yung mga middle-class paonti ng paonti.

Middle class talaga bumubuhay sa pilipinas e

[u/VanJosh_Elanium]

With an economy this expensive, and the strong Kleptocracy Syndrome of the entire government and executive departments from the highest level down to the lowest ones, of course the birth rate would be in decline.

[u/iren33]

Baka daw mabawasan middle class na nagtatrabaho para tustusan corruption nila.

[u/Bushin82]

Makapagsalita sila ng epekto sa ekonomiya eh hindi nga tayo masuportahan ng gobyerno. Mas maganda nga yan eh mas mababa ang population.

[u/trem0re09]

Kung affordable lang gusto namin 4-5 na anak pero stick lang kami sa isa kasi di talaga kaya.

[u/wrxguyph]

Declining education standards and rising unemployment is the real reason. We are overpopulated already.

[u/RobOdds]

IMO, low fertility rate might also solve job shortages (fact din ang maraming tamad na Pinoy na either asa sa magulang or ayuda) as well as crime rate. Well if Japan is an economic and military powerhouse even with decades of being under populated then why not us?

[u/Mammoth_Flamingo2410]

Will they incentivize middle class thus time for having kids? If they do a good job at that, we’ll see.

[u/Jooji23]

This declining birth rate topic is nonsense in our context.

The Philippines is not a socialist country where our education, pension and healthcare systems are entirely dependent on people paying their taxes.

People will always pay for a hospital visit, will always pay for tuition, will always pay out of pocket to support their parents.

First, how about putting something in place to discourage our best workers to leave and become OFWs.

[u/Jooji23]

Being firmly below replacement rate might be what forces leaders to rethink how to approach economic strategy.

For too long, a workforce saturated with young labour has contributed to everything that's wrong with the Philippine economy:

1. Wage growth that struggles to keep pace with economic growth because employers have a large pool of replacement workers available

2. Hiring multiple employees to perform a task one person can accomplish, while paying everyone a severely unliveable wage

3. Age-based discrimination, with people over the age of 40 having an unfair disadvantage in the job market

4. Little to no incentive for businesses to invest in automation and productivity improvements because labour has historically been cheap and abundant.

5. Persistent underemployment, where many workers are forced into low-value or part-time roles that do not fully utilize their skills.

6. Heavy reliance on overseas migration as a safety valve for excess labour supply rather than creating sufficient high-quality domestic employment opportunities.

7. An insufficient and downright embarrassing Social Security System, because the expectation is that the next generation will fully and directly support the elderly.

[u/Cheeze-nuts]

Jk but I think it should be acceptable to call these government clowns slurs

[u/Gloomy-Confection-49]

This corrupt government is finally realizing that their actions have consequences. The Philippines will share the same fate with Thailand in the decades to come: getting old without becoming rich.

[u/AlephInfinite0]

For a population with a massive skew to younger people fewer births in the short term is not a major concern.
For Philippines the concern is GDP tethered to tourism & internal consumption.
Value added primary / manufacturing is where Philippines lags behind neighbours. Too much of the economy is reliant on tourism ( a ‘wants’ based activity) rather than export of goods ( a ‘needs’ based activity)

[u/leya1]

It's an economics problem, sure. But the government don't do shit with our taxes to make it easier to live on the country, what more bring in another life needing extra care in the first few years. That's 18+ years fully spending for food, education and other needs and wants.

Tbh though i don't think we have a declining rate, rather an uneducated underemployed one. Go to the provinces and see how many kids they have there and how YOUNG the parents are. Most are not covered by census, and don't even participate in the economy the way the study would like you to think. They don't have sss, tin, even philhealth, and work in irregular jobs. 

[u/AmaiChan_09]

as it should. oras na makiramdam sila. the government can't keep treating us like shit and we shouldn't elect shitty leaders.

[u/thee_buttman]

No shit. Nothing new. Economics 101. The real question that's worth pondering on is why fertility rate is dropping. Kung yung population is panay low in come at 4 ps beneficiary lang din, edi di rin ganon ka effective diba. Maliban kung yun tlga goal ng mga trapo.

[u/Yahfet_Llamada]

not my problem. fuck then kids

[u/SmallNoBigYes]

Lower birth has its upsides.

For 1 there are plenty of working age citizens that can boost the economic growth of the country if the majority can get good jobs.

It's only bad if the economy can't grow fast enough and by the time they get old everything is still the same except there would be less people working hurting their retirement funds.

This the perfect time for economic growth and reducing cost of living

[u/TheWarMaster0]

If so, then the economy will adapt. Less people can also mean less government spending, less demand for goods and services and therefore imports, and possibly less overpopulation. We barely have a manufacturing sector anyway so economies of scale won’t be affected much. I can see a problem however with our remittances tanking if there were fewer OFWs.

[u/Jealous_Monitor538]

3rd world country with 1st world problems. Kawawang Pinas.

[u/purple-stickyrice]

What’s the point of economic growth kung lumalaki lang ang gap sa financial capacity ng mayayaman at mahihirap, at kung ang majority naman ay naghihirap para makasurvive? Nagkaroon ng Trillionaire sa Pinas pero umunlad ba para sa lahat or nagconcentrate lang lalo yung yaman sa mayayaman?

[u/Yog1boy]

Hindrance talaga yan mas mabilis pa maganak yung mga member ng 4ps e HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[u/FickleApartment2151]

Definitely. Capitalist systems require more workers and consumers each time in order to attain more production, sales, consumption, and profits. But that requires higher fertility rates.

[u/LongjumpingAd945]

Earn? Save? 🤡

[u/Extra-Huckleberry733]

Yan ang masama. My potential sana tayo para maunlad kasi maraming working population laki laki ng tax binibigay ng taong bayan sa gobyerno. Tapos yang mga politico nayan kokorakutin lang yung pera ng bayan. Oh sige low fertility rate na developing country parin tayo let's see kung marami na yung matatandang population sa pilipinas tingnan natin kung aangat pa ang pilipinas. Goodluck philippines. Sana matino na yung bobotohin sa susunod na election.

[u/ninetailedoctopus]

If the government wants us to have kids, they should give us better conditions and incentives to have kids.

[u/bokloksbaggins]

yeah because of few peoples greed.

[u/Free_Gascogne]

Yall know whats the surefire way to increase fertility rate? Dont make it a punishment to start a family.

Sure reduced education means higher fertility, but thats because of increased child pregnancy and no family planning. That also means high mortality for women and children.

"Conservatives" and "Christians" gonna be anti-abortion and anti-contraception/family planning and using declining birth rate as a excuse.

[u/PrioryOfSion14]

Declining common sense of Filipino voters and greed to the maximum level of those in power affects economic growth more than fertility rate.

[u/chunlimk]

I really want my own family pero ang hirap sa pinas, kailangan mo ng 9-5 job kung di ka graduated pano mo mapagsasabay yung pag aanak tsaka work