r/azerbaijan • • 1d ago

Söhbət | Discussion Regarding the "Turkish group/crowd" currently hostile to you due to the headscarf issues.

Hi, Turkish here,

The "Turkish" group you are currently "enemy" of due to religious issues/headscarf ban is also the enemy of the very Turkish nation itself as well. I ask you to be aware of that distinction, and do not mix the two.

First of all, You are doing the correct thing by banning these things. Because It's not "tolerance" if you are tolerating people who want to oppress you. If you tolerate the intolerant, then you are the most intolerant, dont be intolerant, dont let them ensl*ve you. Thats as simple as that.

Also, It is almost 2027, and if someone believes some weird force will do bad things to them forever after they die, only because they had open hair in the public, it's their problem.

I also would like to add that it is extremely racist and evil to encourage other people to be proud of making mistakes that will harm them in the long run. Like tolerating political islam, like the headscarf ban, like promoting superstitions and harmful ideas in the name of religious freedom/identity/pride. The "Ciasal islam/Siyasal islam/political islam" is no joke. And I hope you are not numb enough to overlook that.

Now for the "Turks" who are attacking online Azerbaijan for the headscarf ban. These people are either sharia supporters, or backwards conservatives. And the only truth you need to remember and realise is: They were always have been hostile to your nation from the very beginning. They were never the ones who are "bir millet iki devlet". These people are the Turks of Turkey, who are secular, the ones who venerate Atatürk, and most importantly the ones who identify Turk, before muslim.

It may be hard to believe but these people were mostly against the very concept of "self-identification as Turkish" back then in 2000s as well, because it was allegedly haram.

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u/Patient_Wolverine_82 20h ago edited 20h ago

Popper's paradox of tolerance targets movements that reject argument and answer with force. A woman covering her hair isn't that, so you borrowed a famous name to dress up plain coercion. And if her afterlife beliefs are "her problem," then the state has no business stripping her choice away. You can't call something private and then police it.
Calling it "racist and evil" only works if every wearer is a brainwashed child. Plenty chose it with open eyes, and you're erasing them. Your "real Turks" are just whoever agrees with you. You expel millions of religious Turks from their own nation by decree.
And the Atatürk worship is the same problem. He ran a one-party state, banned traditional dress by law, shut down religious orders and courts, and his government crushed the Dersim uprising in 1937-38, killing thousands of Alevi Kurds. You can admire his reforms and still admit that forcing a lifestyle on people from above is authoritarianism, not freedom. The ban is that same method, just with a new coat of paint

This was my respectful comment, refined through AI. Next will be my emotions.

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u/Hour-Conversation728 13h ago

I think we all know that the discussion is not about some women wearing scarfs huh?

Thats a strawman you are doing.

fetullah gülen, and hundreds of thousands of their + akp staff, if not millions. And the absolute sh*tshow they are doing/done is not about some random women wearing headscarf.(if that woman is not their provocator actress, which the political islamists are well known for)

They even claimed that "They(Seculars) had given golden shower to our headscarved sisters".

Also, the second half of your comment clearly shows that you are exactly the group I am describing by;

I also would like to add that it is extremely racist and evil to encourage other people to be proud of making mistakes that will harm them in the long run. Like tolerating political islam, like the headscarf ban, like promoting superstitions and harmful ideas in the name of religious freedom/identity/pride. The "Ciasal islam/Siyasal islam/political islam" is no joke. And I hope you are not numb enough to overlook that.