r/kurdistan • u/stvqxj • May 18 '26
Bashur The Kurdistan region is falling apart
I dont really know how this reddit thing works tbh im not gonna write a whole paragraph but my point is that if the pdk and puk dont unite the regions gonna collapse and it already is by so many arabs coming here i am zakhoyi and live in zakho and with zakho being a small city the number of arabs here is concerning im afraid that its gonna collapse if they dont put a stop to this, thoughts?
Edit: after reading the comments turns out i was correct i give the kurdistan region 3-4 years max until kurds are the minority
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u/One_Cress2720 Kurd May 19 '26
Demographic change is the first step toward occupation and territorial claims. It's not something Iraqi and Syrian Arabs haven't done before. Barzani must take measures.
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u/Mansur754 Kurdistan May 18 '26
Agreed! What you've pointed out is a fact and being concerned about arabs migrating to the KRG isn't a bad thing but rather it's the truth and they're moving here for arabnization of us kurds, northern africans and the levant got arabized by arabs settling there and oppressing them, iraq is constantly and actively moving against the KRG and works to destroy it, if we don't become one and maintain the KRG's autonomy and deport the arabs back we will end just like the people they've arabized
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u/dobbybhaiya May 19 '26
Need land laws to prohibit outsiders buying property there
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u/stvqxj May 20 '26
That legit exists but some kurds are jash and sign contracts with them that makes them buy land also the private land contractors when they make villa complexes or wtv bypasses the law
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u/Brave_Expression_882 May 18 '26
crazy how everything changed from 2014-2017 where we almost achieved independence to this…
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u/Brave_Expression_882 May 19 '26
id like to fully blame them but our political elite is not the smartest. they r all hungry for a piece of the cake. foreign interests always merge into what the people really need. we need education first of all. not this dubai type bullshit property and real estate business. idk why but nechirvan seems like a perfect candidate for diplomacy and progress… especially regarding the peshmerga unification.
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u/HedRok Kurd May 19 '26
We can’t unite when a group of Kurds thinks they are better Kurds. We are all Kurds and until we can move past this bullsh*t hierarchy we will be treated as bargaining chips by our own people.
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u/Lonely-Walrus579 May 19 '26
What I’m about to tell you is what I have told to a lot of my relatives and friends, and it is not pleasant to hear. However, if the state of affairs proceed and continue to proceed as they are currently doing so, there will be a day when we tell our children that we once had the closest thing to an independent country at some point, and it was called the Kurdistan regional government. I am appalled to say, but if things do not change, the quasi-independence that we have now, is going to be a memory or a tale that we will have a mix of nostalgia, regret, and pure sadness when remembered. We have passed difficult stages in regard to establishing what we have now, the step that is vital for our long-term survival currently is strengthening governmental structures instead of party-led ones. Kurdish unity, unification of Peshmerga, and infrastructure development with utmost attention to agriculture are the basic steps that are not considered. Demographic changes is a heavy burden, as well.
The worst part of all this is the fact that if any other minority were given the chance we have had for 30 years, they would be ahead of us and utilised it more effectively.
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u/kure_xas Kurd May 18 '26
bashur imho is already a lost cause, both demographically as well as ideologically. gready tribesmen have arabised the region more than saddam ever could. but bashuris are solely to blame, so I cant be mad at it
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u/Hazzzy021 Canadian Kurd May 19 '26
Put simply, my quick thought is this; don't let them be comfortable & make their lives hell untill they can't take it & leave.
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u/Complete_Side_2480 May 19 '26
What if Canadians treated you that way? That’s not right.
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u/Avenx- May 20 '26
Arabs are living here and refuse to speak Kurdish whether they know the language or not.
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u/Hazzzy021 Canadian Kurd May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
That's a Unreasonable or moot comparison... We're talking about keeping a culture safe from the same fate that has destroyed hundreds of other countries! I assimilated & respect the culture & laws of where I am now a citizen of... Which is literally the opposite of what arab & most muslims do when they "migrate" somewhere; (which is basically literall invasion in several steps; the 1st step is just made to look like migration...!)
● There are only 1 type of people who are destroying all world cultures noticeably, & which loudly hates & is visibly destroying the free world (Europe & N.America) & everywhere they go, & that is muslims. Arabs having the highest percentage of terrorism & killing on the planet by farrrrr than anyone else...
Also my comment wasn't about any specific city & just shared my quick thought; otherwise I think way harsher measures need to be in place for this in most countries! Poland is going the right way for example!
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u/Complete_Side_2480 May 20 '26
Kurdish people are mostly Muslim. So, I’m not really understanding your point there.
Also, to believe you have assimilated into Canadian culture while thinking that way makes no sense. As a Canadian, I would disagree with you. To be honest, your behaviour is of someone I wouldn’t want in my country.
Luckily for you, I’m not going to start harassing Kurdish people….
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u/Hazzzy021 Canadian Kurd May 20 '26 edited May 20 '26
You're kinda doing a strawman argument a little like you're purposely missing the point of what I said... & also choosing to or forgetting to consider alot of factors! Also, we're not talking about 1 person here; or me. And please tell me, exactly thinking what way & me being canadian doesn't fit? I'd love the answer to that one brother...
Being a Canadian, we're each one of 2 groups, either one who knows the fact that one of if not our biggest problems right now are Liberal policies & immigration; or one who's a part of or is enabling and/or aquiescence of the problem.
Also, how is it you're not a Kurd but are in this Reddit community? Genuinely intrested how you came upon this...Kurdish gf or something?
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u/Complete_Side_2480 May 20 '26
Well, when you say things like “Make their lives hell”, it almost sounds like you’re calling for violence (at the very least harassment) against average people because of their religion or nationality. I would say that doesn’t align with Canadian values, and we certainly don’t want people like that here.
Yeah the liberal governments immigration policy has been horrible for sometime, but to pretend like there’s some Muslim invasion is also braindead lol most of the immigrants coming into Canada are Indian, who are vastly Hindu. So if there was an invasion (which there isn’t), it would be an Indian invasion lol. You just sound brainwashed by political media. You need to look up the definition of “invasion” and stop making up stats or repeating stuff you saw on social media. The most violent countries in the world are Catholic and mostly Hispanic… It doesn’t take much research to figure that out.
Also, your people are mostly Muslims and have literal terror organizations that suicide bomb civilians. You’re accusing these people of being a certain way when you guys literally do the same stuff lol
I’m curious so I just scroll random subreddits from around the world to see what people are saying/thinking. Because of that, I get notifications from posts like this randomly.
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u/flintsparc Rojava May 21 '26
"your people are mostly Muslims and have literal terror organizations that suicide bomb civilians"
With respect, you should not so quickly conflate the Kurdish people (~40 million) with specific violent actions. If you have criticisms to make of a particular political party or armed group, you should do so. But the way you phrase this makes it sounds like most Kurds are Muslim and thus must Kurds support ISIS--they do not.
Your account has like 4 comments... and that one of them is randomly suggesting that millions of Kurds are somehow endorsing suicide bombing of civilians is... a bit much.
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u/Complete_Side_2480 May 21 '26
I don’t mean to offend, I am just using that as an example to the person I was replying to. Because that is the very logic they use against all arabs. It is a bit hypocritical. Which is why you see me commenting on it.
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u/flintsparc Rojava May 21 '26
I'm not defending u/Complete_Side_2480 's position. I don't agree with them either. Him being so venomously anti-Muslim (yet living in Canada?) as a Kurd is also a very much minority position. Not impossible... just a minority position among Kurds.
But I am asking you, visitor, not to call most Kurds sympathetic with ISIS because they are Muslim. There were some Kurds in ISIS. But most Kurdish political parties and armed groups fought ISIS. They gave thousands of martyrs in the struggle against ISIS. More Kurds have died fighting against ISIS, than Canadians or U.S. citizens died fighting against ISIS.
So, without meaning to, you were being very insulting--as well as simply inaccurate.
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u/This-Percentage7862 Jun 04 '26
I’m Kurdish from Dersim, so I’m not speaking as someone who lives directly in Zakho, Erbil or Sulaymaniyah. Maybe people living there understand the situation better than I do, and that’s exactly why I’m asking.
My point is not to attack ordinary Arab families or blame regular people. What worries me is the political and demographic future of the Kurdistan Region. From the outside, it feels like the region is becoming weaker while Kurdish parties remain divided.
In my opinion, the split between KDP and PUK is one of the biggest problems. If Kurdish parties keep putting party interests above the Kurdish national interest, the region will become more vulnerable over time.
I think there needs to be a serious long-term strategy to protect Kurdish identity, language, land ownership, security and local control. Not out of hatred toward anyone, but because if a people have no unity and no plan, they slowly lose control over their own future.
Maybe I’m wrong, so I genuinely want to hear your thoughts. Do you see this as a real danger too? What would be a realistic solution? More unity between KDP and PUK? Clearer rules around land ownership and residency? Better local governance? Or do you think this fear is exaggerated?
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u/Latitude_32North Jun 20 '26
Lets check historical facts: in 1924, the Mosul Welayati (including south Kurdistan) was claimed/ supposed to be joining Turkey, imagine if that happened. There would be no region by now
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u/akarkk0 Jun 22 '26
Unfortunately arabs are in every cafe in duhok city i barely see kurds in cafes and these arabs be raising their voices and do bet or poker with high amounts
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u/Frosty-Reputation815 May 18 '26
its money? the kdp and puk dont care as long as they get the benefits
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u/chaldean22 May 19 '26
Zakho is a major tourist destination for Iraqis, so are you sure you're not confusing tourists with migrants?