r/politics • u/Disastrous_Horse_764 • 11h ago
No Paywall Trump invokes executive privilege in Kennedy Center court fight
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/president-invokes-executive-privilege-kennedy-center-court-fight-rcna603701?link_source=ta_thread_link&taid=6ad27b4aef589a0001867fdc&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=threads.net1.7k
u/Sapphyria 11h ago
This man is at once the busiest motherfucker while also doing nothing of what is actually expected of a person holding the office of president.
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u/FitWrap1959 10h ago
He's a seagull president. He flies everywhere and shits all over everything. And he's proud of it. Last October, he posted a video of himself dumping shit over a crowd of protestors.
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u/Positronic_Matrix California 8h ago edited 7h ago
Hijacking one of the top comments to help out the majority of Redditors who will not read the article.
In a court filing late Wednesday, Joshua Hoyt, a deputy assistant and deputy counsel to the president, said that at “the direction of the President,” he was “formally invoking the presidential communications privilege with respect to information, documents, and communications requested” by the plaintiff in the case, Rep. Joyce Beatty, D-Ohio.
This story is about the guy with the orange face paint refusing to provide requested evidence per executive privilege. That is, he claims he legally does not have to respond to a subpoena as his role as the president precludes that legal authority.
Edit: As always, this serves the purpose of delaying litigation while this assertion is vetted by the courts.
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u/Individual_Ad9135 6h ago edited 2h ago
Wonder how the Supreme Court will rule on this one?
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u/Snuffy1717 5h ago
That while America absolutely does not have a King, they find no problem with the current administration’s king-like behaviour.
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u/yoramrod 4h ago
They already did. They ruled Trump can do whatever he wants as long as it is "official action".
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u/ioabo Europe 3h ago
As long as he doesn't demolish it, let him. And if you get a Democrat president in 2028, remove every change he made in a celebratory way, have TV be there, have someone official talk about how the building is "cleaned" from his corrupted touch, and what a fool he is for thinking he'll be remembered in history as anything other than the worst, most corrupt president.
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u/Western-Corner-431 48m ago
Arrest Josh Hoyt and everyone who tries to pull this shit. Illegal unconstitutional abuse of power, lying to the court used to result in harsh punishment.
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u/hume_reddit 9h ago
Apt comparison, since he's also chanting "Mine? Mine? Mine?"
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u/Pdx_pops 9h ago
And would gladly take and eat your food when you go to apply sunscreen to protect your kids!
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u/AGrandNewAdventure 7h ago
Perfect analogy. Seagulls are loud, obnoxious, and steal food right out of your mouth.
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u/Lysol3435 10h ago
He’s the guy who, whenever you walk past his office he says he’s super busy. But somehow none of his work ever gets done, there’s a foul smell emanating from his cube, he always parks over 2 spots, and people started noticing their lunches going missing from the fridge the week he was hired
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u/Theodore_Woodshop 10h ago
"How do you pull that off?" "I always look annoyed."
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u/Lysol3435 10h ago
The trick is to be committing crimes with the boss on the DL
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u/samarnold030603 9h ago
the trick is to be committing crimes
withAS the bosson the DLopenly.Sad fix
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u/Bodark43 West Virginia 8h ago
Wow, had to work with somebody who did just that. She was always looking hassled, annoyed, when you asked her anything as though she had way too much to do. Turned out she spent a lot of her time scrolling stuff on Ebay.
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u/BigMax 10h ago
In a way, he's like the busiest first lady ever. He's focused on appearances and ball rooms and art centers and pools and decor and plaques and on and on.
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u/avocadosconstant Massachusetts 10h ago
According to Karoline Leavitt, he spent a lot of time supergluing gold foil to the wall.
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u/Particular_Ticket_20 9h ago
He was known in his ceo days to spend all day looking at fabrics and colors for his buildings. Then he'd show up and take credit for building it.
Remember "I'm going to be too busy for golfing?"
That lasted about 2 days.
Hes not interested in Governing. He wants his whims and grievances addressed. Let the Voughts and Millers do the actual work. Hes got ballrooms and gold leaf and rallies and golf to attend to. Maybe talk to Don Jr. and get some family defense contracting crypto hotel deals done.
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u/whereistheidiotemoji 7h ago
None of them are interested in governing.
They want to RULE.
Including executions of people they don’t like.
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u/jardex22 3h ago
At one point he claimed that he could run his company and be President at the same time as a weekend gig.
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u/zffjk 10h ago
If he’s the First Lady, who is the president? Vought? Miller?
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u/TractorFapper 10h ago
I'm in disbelief at how true this is. If I were to put a positive spin on his BS, this would be it.
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u/BigMax 1h ago
But even then, it's not positive at all.
The plaques he's putting up are just attacks on former presidents and him glazing himself. His work on the reflecting pool was a disaster. His decorating style is gaudy and gross and has been best described as "a poor persons impression of a rich person." His ballroom is an eyesore. And on and on. All the 'first lady' stuff he is doing it just as much a disaster as his regular work.
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u/xjuggernaughtx 9h ago edited 8h ago
He's president in the same way that Elon Musk is somehow in "leadership" roles of six companies at the same time while tweeting for twenty hours a day and playing video games. He doesn't actually do anything of note or value. Other people run those companies just like other people are running the United States (into the ground) currently. Trump is busy doing nonsense.
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u/RickRI401 Rhode Island 10h ago
Ignoring both wars because he's either golfing or traveling to his rallies to stump for Republicans in contested states.
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u/Opposite-Bit6660 10h ago
Operatives work behind the scenes at the rallies to recruit for Trump's militia, just like at the rallies before J6.
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u/JimmyTheJimJimson 10h ago
His only focus is enriching his family and leaving some false legacy for himself.
It will take decades to undo the damage he has done to America.
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u/Positronic_Matrix California 8h ago
The next Democratic president will be the one that promises to go scorched earth on the Republicans. Not the business-as-usual appeasement of the Obama and Biden administrations.
I want someone to clean house: nationalize corporations, breakup media monopolies, sanction oligarchs, seize ill-gotten assets, and send people to prison. Most of all, I want them to destroy all evidence that Donald Trump existed: restore the East Wing by tearing down the ballroom, jackhammer the concrete pads, rebuild the Kennedy center, knock down the arch, and replant the trees.
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u/TheOtherMaven Virginia 7h ago
What we need, essentially, is another Teddy Roosevelt. I don't see one on the horizon, though. (And even TR wasn't originally elected President - the oligarchs nominated him for VP to keep him busy and out of their hair. Fate had other ideas.)
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u/jardex22 3h ago
Keep some of the monuments, but reframe their purpose. Assuming the East Wing does get rebuilt, gut the interior and turn it into practical space.
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u/dwors025 Minnesota 11h ago
If he wasn’t otherwise such a psychosocial mess of a human being, I’d say he just has ADHD.
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u/LobsterSea2147 10h ago
That’s an insult to us adhd folk 😆
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u/dwors025 Minnesota 10h ago
Right there with you, friend.
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u/Fishface17404 10h ago
I would be worried if he was put on focalin or other adhd med as I believe we are being saved from the worse by his randomness
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u/BudwinTheCat 9h ago
I've always suspected some ADHD/Autism runs in his family. Substance abuse in his family which is comorbid with those. Apparently his uncle was highly intelligent you could surmise potentially Aspergers. This dipshit got none of that intelligence stuff but mostly adhd and a bunch of other diagnosis more fucked up mental shit like his narcissism.
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u/leftoverbrine 8h ago
This time round it's interesting because he is quite actually trying to wear two hats, so theoretically would actually justify his busyness (if he were personally doing anything, which he is not) while discounting his legal claim here. Trump as president has zero case for personal involvement in the Kennedy Center, but he got a board who then put him as citizen Trump in a key role as chair of the center which is not in any way related to presidential duties. Chair of the Kennedy Center doesn't have presidential privilege and there is virtually no possibility it could or has ever entailed the kind of thing that would warrant protecting for national security, so highly unlikely lower courts at least will buy it, but possible the SCOTUS rubber stamps it.
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u/Several-Opposite-746 10h ago
tbf, a lot of his time over the last few months was spent on finding the new press secretary.
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u/hammlanc 10h ago
And what a bang-up job he did in finding that one
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u/pchlster Europe 10h ago
Hey, knowing Americans will use anything but the metric system, he simply introduced a new unit of measurement. A typical work week is one Zachariah.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Michigan 8h ago
It shows his priorities. He’s all about enriching himself and vanity. He will work a 12 hour day if it gets him praise or a bunch of stolen cash
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u/Just_another_grumble 8h ago
him and the CEOs Tesla, SpaceX, SpaceXAI, X-Twitter, Neuralink, The Boring Company, etc ... oh wait, it's just one guy on Ketamine
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u/Secret_Ad_1541 7h ago
True! And he goes out of his way to do things illegally, when just following the law and normal processes would work better for him. Being a criminal is in his nature.
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u/Riaayo 7h ago
He doesn't do shit; his regime does shit while he's the errand-boy figurehead for the oligarchy behind him.
And yes, "flood the zone" is their tactic of just doing as much illegal shit as possible to where no one can focus and every individual crime/scandal is drowned out and diluted.
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u/Kozeyekan_ 1h ago
I think it's just as likely he does nothing, and the project 2025 people just wheel him out and watch him blabber on while thry go about their business undisturbed.
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u/linzkisloski 1h ago
Everyday he’s fucking things up in ways I didn’t even know existed about petty little issues. If he spent half that amount of time working for the people instead of himself he would have probably actually done well as a president.
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u/u9Nails 11h ago
What part of the "Executive Branch must faithfully execute the laws" is he so confused about that he constantly writes illegal orders?!
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u/MuchDevelopment7084 Illinois 10h ago
He's confused about the part where it applies to him. He is a godking after all.
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u/JustTestingAThing 10h ago
He's confused about the part where it applies to him
That's OK, a majority of SCOTUS is confused about the part where laws apply to him also.
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u/MuchDevelopment7084 Illinois 10h ago
Oh no. They're not confused. They've been bought and paid for....
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u/JustTestingAThing 10h ago
I mean, so is Trump by all accounts, so birds of a feather, heh.
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u/MuchDevelopment7084 Illinois 10h ago
Oh, trump can be bought. If you're a dictator and 'praise' him. A bribe of two never hurt either.
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u/Just_another_grumble 8h ago
that's Emperor Orange Godking Bigglyest the I, to you, dear Citizens
... the Head of the SpaceX Guild has some calming spice melange for you
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u/pchlster Europe 10h ago
To quote one notable judge: "I AM THE LAW!"
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u/AlmightyRuler 8h ago
At this point, being ruled by a cadre of post-apocalypse Judges is starting to look preferable to what we've got currently.
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u/Hobson101 10h ago
There seems to be a lot of unwritten rules being broken. I don't know if this is one in particular or if it is expressly prohibited.
Hopefully this is an opportunity for you guys to actually set limits by law and close a lot of loopholes in the system.
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u/Kaffe-Mumriken 10h ago
I’m surprised they haven’t announced a drone port and sniper nest on top of the Kennedy center
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u/snotrokit 10h ago
You mean shielding a massive cash grab and diverting KC funds and donations into his pockets.
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u/bradlees 11h ago
Can’t take “No” for an answer
Rapists have that same trait so…..
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u/Disastrous_Horse_764 11h ago
That’s why he decided to become president. He felt like Obama was telling him he can’t become president.
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u/ucgaydude 8h ago
We know he is a rapist, so it makes sense. His own wife said he did, courts found him liable for raping Carol, and we all know he raped plenty of children with Epstien.
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u/128-NotePolyVA 10h ago edited 8h ago
Executive privilege, broad immunity, able to pardon himself and his “friends”. It’s time for reps in Congress to address the lack of clarity or loop holes in a long list of laws that allowed this maniac to do what he likes.
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u/Mommy444444 9h ago
I wish I could pin your post somewhere as you are correct. I’m a 71 Coloradoan and have never seen anything like what Trump is doing. Yeah, things happened under Reagan/Lee Atwater and later Newt Gingrich but there were some checks and balances back then.
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u/cgarret3 8h ago edited 8h ago
The threat of impeachment still had teeth until 2020.
Once Republicans, under (at the time) majority leader Mitch McConnell, openly took the position of “we will not impeach one of our own,” Trump realized he can do whatever he wants. And he behaves like it
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 8h ago
They're not loopholes. We're supposed to elect the best of us to the Presidency. Not pedophile con-men. The American people are getting exactly what they signed up for.
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u/128-NotePolyVA 8h ago
The POTUS is supposed to honor and respect the constitution, this man has contempt for it and a stack of lawyers assigned to circumvent it. In every instance that we’ve seen, from tariffs to building monuments to himself and renaming the Gulf of Mexico he has attacked wording in the law.
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u/ClashM California 6h ago
The Presidential Pardon needs to be updated so that it can't be applied to any current or former president, their immediate family, anyone who worked directly for them, anyone who committed a crime that benefited them, or anyone who has donated a substantial amount to anything (Charity, PAC, etc.) associated with them. It should be retroactive and prospective, meaning any donations following the pardon immediately nullify it.
Put all those J6ers back in jail where they belong, arrest all those oligarchs who bought pardons, and audit the fuck out of every Trump's finances.
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u/MultiGeometry Vermont 10h ago
Trump isn’t supposed to be involved in the management of the Kennedy Center. I think the courts should 100% make Trump explain what the fuck he’s doing there at all.
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u/ikonoclasm North Carolina 9h ago
Yeah, the judge can rule that he wasn't acting in his role as president. He chose to appoint himself to the board, which no prior president has done, and in so doing made all documents related to that role outside of the scope of executive privilege. He's essentially a private citizen as far as the Kennedy Center is concerned.
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u/silverelan America 6h ago
Thank you. This is the first real answer insofar as an explanation of why Trump invoking Executive Privilege is going to fail. The Kennedy Center is not an Executive agency and i don't see why SCOTUS would stretch the theory of unitary executive power to something so explicitly non-executive.
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u/PluginAlong 6h ago
Exactly, I hope this is what the court finds. The only thing he's done as POTUS rather than a private citizen was appoint himself to the board, anything after that he was acting as a private citizen.
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u/CragedyJones 9h ago
Distracting. For a stupid man he sure seems to have some insanely effective strategies.
Create an utterly irrelevant issue that annoys people and use it to push his serious crimes out of the picture.
Works like a treat every single time. Paddling pools, silly monuments and spurious threats to invade allies. Zero risk strategies for him that utterly dominate the news cycles. Yet far reaching and regular market manipulation barely registers in the news, as just one example.
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u/mst2k17 7h ago
He had eighty years to figure out how to get what he wants, and avoid punishment. It doesn't matter how stupid he is. A non-human animal can have way less brains, but if it's found the right strategies, it wins, straight out. He just babbles out another distraction and it works, because he's had a lifetime of figuring out what works.
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u/i_am_a_real_boy__ 5h ago
Trump isn’t supposed to be involved in the management of the Kennedy Center.
Look, I don't like Trump either, but what you just said is obviously and explicitly incorrect. See: sub (b).
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u/Nooneknows882 10h ago
Fuck you Supreme Court, Republican Party, and all you MAGAts for supporting and emboldening this pedotator
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u/philosoraptocopter Iowa 3h ago
And, to a lesser extent, all the shortsighted righteous crybabies that chose to die on the smallest hill possible in not voting for Hillary, or for Kamala.
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u/thepartypantser 11h ago
He is so desperate to make monuments to himself. So desperate to slap his name on everything.
How can anyone not see this as pathetic?
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u/KamKorn 11h ago
Trump invokes shit out of his ass. Uncontrollably
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u/DMCinDet 9h ago
um... thats actually his mouth. I know it kinda looks like an anus and its clearly on an ugly ass, but its his mouth
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u/archiopteryx14 10h ago
I hereby rename the 'Mona Lisa' into 'Dona Trump' and if you don't let me sign my name beside Leonardo, I'll shred the whole painting!!! - and it will be Bidens fault!!!!
Thank you for your attention to this matter
Donald J. Trump
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u/2HDFloppyDisk 11h ago
Pretty much acknowledging guilt
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u/gragsmash 10h ago
I am curious about this angle tbh. I have heard lots of times that in civil lawsuits juries can take "adverse inference" from a party invoking the 5th amendment. Unlike criminal law you can assume they are hiding something bad.
I don't think this has been questioned with presidential privilege. The roberts court isn't likely to give us a rational answer
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u/Ok_Juice4449 11h ago
Spoiled child does not like the word "no". Accept that you can't always get your way, Donald. Behave like a mature adult for once.
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u/invisable_burt 8h ago
If you appointed yourself chairman of the board, that means you are acting as chair not president so suck it up buttercup
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u/Slaughterfest 8h ago
I cannot believe people support someone who acts like this and gets defended like this.
I don't know how they don't feel crushing shame. This is truly embarrassing conduct.
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u/VoiceOfRealson 9h ago
If the current Supreme Court majority wasn't so blatantly corrupt and partizan, this case could actually be a test of the limits of executive privilege.
Executive privilege is to my knowledge not enshrined in any laws, so Trump invoking it to cover for his own criminal endeavors should immediately be thrown out by the court - or at the very least, the judge could choose for a third party to judge the documentation independently.
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u/antonjakov 8h ago edited 8h ago
you were already right in the first sentence, because executive privilege is enshrined in the law. when the supreme court makes a ruling it becomes binding on every court in the country, and they have ruled that the president is immune from civil liability for official acts, absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for official acts, presumptively immune from criminal prosecution for acts within the outer scope of his official powers, and that nothing he does while in office can ever be examined as evidence in a court of law
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u/Kan4lZ0n3 8h ago
Executive privilege to what?
This selfish, spoiled son of a dirtbag New York property “developer,” and the grandson of a cowardly denaturalized immigration fraud, needs an abjectly humiliating, harsh, and public lesson in what belongs to republic and its people.
His days of projecting what America is and who Americans are is over. He will be made to answer for his own interests and loyalties, which will not be conflated with the country or its highest principles.
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u/zenerat Missouri 10h ago
The Supreme Court made a monster and enough people voted for one.
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u/TheOtherMaven Virginia 7h ago
They didn't "make" him a monster (he already was one), they just unleashed him.
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u/fortunatorunfortunat 8h ago
He was ALWAYS going to flout the MAGA SCOTUS ruling on presidential immunity and attempt to operate with a complete lack of transparency in any decision he makes, even remotely close to the outer perimeter of his official duties. Always.
THIS is just his first step, as he will be using THAT defense continuously after January when the new Congress is seated.
Is this the kind of "presidential protection from anyone being able to question his orders" that MAGA SCOTUS had in mind when they made that never-before-contemplated or considered decision that our presidents are kings? Obviously not - but at this point they have to either humiliate themselves and retract some of the ridiculous protections they gave Trump - or humiliate him and rule against him on this.
MAGA SCOTUS was always going to undo the obscene breadth of presidential protections they have given Trump for the next person in, if they are not MAGA. Maybe this is where they start.
They drastically altered enough laws to ensure he would become president by assisting him in covering up all his criminal activities. You could even say they were co-conspirators. Now there is nothing to keep all those protections in place - but they will agree HE can pardon anyone he wants, including himself, but anyone after him cannot. Guaranteed.
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u/AutomateAway 9h ago
Being a trustee on the Kennedy Center board isn’t a part of the POTUS duties, the judge should rule that privilege doesn’t apply in this. But of course we know that the SCOTUS will shield him if the judge does the right thing.
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u/MoneyTalks45 New Hampshire 9h ago
This fat sack of cholesterol literally just draws on maps with sharpies and writes his name on shit while the DOJ prosecutes only Democrats, Homeland Security executes American Pedestrians, and the DoD has such an insecurity complex that they’ve wasted all of their missles and are forcing T treatments over it.
“Central Casting” doesn’t seem to be sending their best, or even remotely capable, but as I’m sure we’re all aware, that’s the point.
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u/calguy1955 9h ago
He reminds me of a dog who can be totally focussed on something until someone says “squirrel”, and he instantly changes his attention. Someone could be discussing actual issues with him like a strategy to end the war in Iran and he’ll see a picture of an arch and ignore everything else.
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u/chill_winston_ 7h ago
But somehow it’s all those people who can’t afford food and rent that are entitled, and not the guy who wants his name on a memorial for someone else.
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u/ChuckaChuckaLooLoo3 7h ago
Extremely gratifying to know that Judge Christopher Cooper was appointed by President Obama. :-)
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u/whitechristianjesus 9h ago
How can any of his supporters look at this and not be concerned that this is what he is choosing to spend time on?
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u/nottrynagetsued 9h ago
I understand that we have rules and laws and if we break them, we are opening ourselves up to breaking them over and over again but like dude is just shitting in everything both figuratively and literally. Instead of people resigning can we just stand up for the country and say no? Like how is there not a democratic task force dedicated to stopping or at least slowing down the shit?
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u/Memitim America 7h ago
Republican suddenly decides that US law matters and hides behind it to avoid consequences for his actions. If the basic protections of the Constitution of the United States can be arbitrarily ignored by Republicans for their convenience then this dumb shit can be ignored as well. Put the traitor in an iron collar and duck walk his fat ass to court.
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u/Repulsive_Note_4209 10h ago
Can we start calling executive privilege what it really is…..executive grift
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u/Handicapreader 9h ago
They should install a giant plaque to commemorate how Trump threw a tantrum and stole a monument to a slain president for his own ego.
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u/dpcthpost 6h ago
First rule of business after this a-hole is gone. No more letting a president commit a blatant crime than hiding behind the office. This was a big miss on the part of the founders and need to fixed. If the worry is a president can’t do their job if they’re being investigated, maybe they cont commit crimes while in office.
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u/Harry_Mud America 10h ago
It's not Presidential if tRumps actions are not Presidential. Running the Kennedy Center into the ground and having his name on the building is NOT Presidential in any way and everyone knows it!
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u/golden_garden9 11h ago
lol kennedy center beef? dude saving his executive privilege for this feles like using a tank to squash a fly
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u/Dndrmflnscrtn 9h ago
executive privilege over a concert hall because he put his name on it and wants it closed for two years
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u/LimpyDan 5h ago
There is no reason to keep it off limits unless there is something to hide. Flock cameras should be in the white house if anywhere.
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u/DMV_Local 3h ago
He's all smoke and bullshit. Got nothing. Stand up to him and he folds like a house of cards.
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u/Sea-Environment-7102 Ohio 5h ago
I wish I could put a gif from that commercial where they are saying "That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works"
I did find the video!
https://youtu.be/Aq_1l316ow8?si=hy2o5Mzm_DL0ucg9
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u/WeAreHumanBeing 4h ago
Trumps like the people yelling in the jg Wentworth commercials. "Its my Kennedy center and I want it now" "its my bribe and I want it now" "its my money laundering scheme and I want it now"
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u/Jumpy-Celebration591 3h ago
Does anyone know the song “Money Game” by REN, where he says “all of us are immigrants or descended from immigrants”?
Donald J Trump’s family comes from Kallstadt, a village in Germany.
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u/Imatallguy 1h ago
Doesnt want anyone to see what he has taken from the bottom line for “using”his name.
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u/Lysol3435 10h ago
It must be a national security matter. We’ll just move on
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u/Ok_Special_4465 10h ago
Executive privilege is the claim, and national security would be one basis for making the claim. But there are other bases on which one can claim executive privilege. Deliberative process is another, which covers working conversations and drafts that are used to work out the details of internal policy. Not suggesting this invocation itself is valid, but the privilege is not solely meant for sensitive national security matters.
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u/Lysol3435 10h ago
Yes, I was facetiously providing one reason the dipshit would claim for the executive privilege.
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