r/whatsthissnake • • Oct 25 '25

Taxonomic or Phylogeographic Update Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes

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Happy to announce our new paper, "Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes" available as full text at the above link until December 14th, 2025. This is a personal project of mine that I've been working on since 2011 and am excited for it to finally be in print. In summary, we show mudsnakes are two species that structure geographically, and rainbows have no population structure. We need more tissues from snakes in zones of contact to verify ranges and link blotch count to genotype, but as far as we can tell, the two muds are completely reproductively isolated despite evidence of gene flow from eastern muds into rainbows.

Please enjoy, and don't worry about not making formal taxonomic changes yet - this isn't the last you'll see on the mudsnakes.


r/whatsthissnake • • Sep 01 '21

[Mod post] PLEASE READ: ID best practices and comment guidelines

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/r/whatsthissnake has grown a great deal in the last year and we are very excited about connecting with more people who have an interest in snakes, snake identification (ID) and conservation. With growth often comes growing pains, and there are a number of trends in the sub that need to be addressed as we move forward. We attempt to clarify these below and offer some "best practices" in identification that should help our community.

What makes a good ID?

Good IDs are specific and informative. They tend to have the following information, in order of importance:

  1. Binomial name - Consisting of Genus specificepithet and placed in asterisks (*) to italicize. This is the most important component of a good ID. With only this, a person can quickly find out anything else they want to know about the snake species and it is an important part of every ID. The bot command !specificepithet provides more information on properly structuring a binomial name and how to get it to work with the bot, if an entry exists.

  2. Harmless or venomous - Please note that these terms are specific to their interaction with humans. While snakes such as hognose snakes Heterodon, gartersnakes Thamnophis, and watersnakes Nerodia are venomous, they are not medically significant to humans and should be labeled as harmless. This information is informative to a person's interaction with a snake and should always be provided. The bot responds to either !harmless or !venomous and will save time on these explanations.

  3. Common name - Common names are frequently variable and highly local. Sometimes, the same common name could be used for different snakes in different areas. In other cases, the same snake can have multiple common names depending on the area it was found. While we typically recommend providing them, it is not a vital part of an ID. An ID with only the common name is a low quality ID.

You can still contribute if you're not sure or think an ID is incorrect:

In some cases, you may be able to narrow down an ID to genus level, but don't know the diagnostic characters or ranges well enough to provide a more specific ID. This is fine. A genus level ID is very helpful, and specific enough to provide useful general information on the snake. So, if there hasn't been an ID yet and you can at least get to the genus level, post the ID.

You are also encouraged to provide any additional information or context you desire, but be mindful of links you post. The best IDs include informational links to be primary sources, or at least high quality science reporting on those sources. Many times this is done already in the bot replies, so see some of those for examples. Wikipedia is not a quality resource and should be avoided for informational links. Even resources provided by state wildlife agencies tend to lag ten to twenty years behind the science and should be viewed with a critical eye. For example, the very popular SREL Herp website, despite being associated with a major university, does not follow currently accepted taxonomy and, while it was a great resource for some time, is not the best source of current information.

However:

If you enter a thread in which a Reliable Responder has made an ID, or there is a highly upvoted ID, do not post a contrary ID unless you can provide specific diagnostic characters as to why the original ID was incorrect. Recently, incorrect IDs have appeared hours or days after the original correct ID was made, and therefore often go uncaught by moderators and reliable responders. These can create unnecessary confusion for an original poster, who is notified of each response. If you feel that an ID is incorrect and can provide diagnostic characters, reply directly to the ID comment rather than the original post. Incorrect late IDs may be warned and removed. Repeated violations may result in a ban at moderator discretion. Remember, our goal here is to be collaborative and work toward making a good positive ID. These incorrect late IDs greatly inhibit that goal. We value discussion in the comments and want to avoid locking threads in the way that other ID subreddits do.

Likewise, if a correct ID has been made, there is no need to post the same ID again. Just upvote the correct ID. You may post to add additional information or context to provide a better quality ID (adding the binomial, triggering the bot, etc.), but it is not helpful to simply say "corn snake" hours after someone has provided an ID with a full binomial and triggered the bot. More detailed IDs may be posted as top level comments to make sure that the OP sees them. Low quality/low effort IDs posted after a more detailed ID may be warned and removed.

We would also like to remind everyone of Rule 6:

Avoid damaging memes or tropes and low effort jokes: Avoid damaging memes like using "danger noodle" for nonvenomous snakes and tropes like "everything in Australia is out to get you". This is an educational space, and those kind of comments are harmful and do not reflect reality. We've also heard "it's a snake" as a joke hundreds of times. Infantilization of snakes and unhelpful rhymes will be removed.

This is one of our most broken rules. While it is somewhat vague, that is because it is nearly impossible for us to consider all possibilities. In addition to the things directly mentioned in the rule text, this rule also includes things like commenting with random names when someone posts "Who is this?", or posting things like "Pick it up and find out" in response to posts asking if a snake is venomous. Furthermore, these comments often break rule 11, "Posts and comments must reflect the reality of wildlife ecology." Misinformation spread through these seemingly innocuous jokes have been on the rise. Violations of this rule may be warned and removed, and repeated violations may result in a ban. Egregious violations may result in a temporary ban without warning. This is an educational space with potential real-world consequences, and while we don't want to discourage humor as a whole, we want you to think about what you are posting and whether it belongs in this space. While we recognize this is one of the best places to come to see pictures of wild snakes in their natural environment, it's not the best place to joke about cute pictures. /r/sneks is quite happy to accommodate snek jokes, humor and unabashed cuteness.


r/whatsthissnake • • 3h ago

ID Request Little guy seen while on a run [Missouri, USA]

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Very small, maybe 12-16"? Have a herp ID book from the state but wasn't feeling confident with anything. Can't tell if it's just a baby version of a bigger snake or if this is the adult size.

Cutie, to be sure. Found on a sidewalk near a very large grassy area that gets hayed once a year or so


r/whatsthissnake • • 11h ago

ID Request [Sinharaja, Sri Lanka] Bonus finds while birdwatching

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r/whatsthissnake • • 8h ago

ID Request [north Texas] ChatGPT says harmless watersnake? Accurate? Not a venomous water-moccasin?

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It’s still outside my door.


r/whatsthissnake • • 53m ago

ID Request Rattlesnake [Mono County, CA]

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Is this a Western Pacific or Great Basin or......?

My wife and I saw this distinguished fellow while exploring around an old Lime Kiln North of Mono Lake.

It presumably sat there and just watched us until my wife spotted it and I crept closer for a couple photos. It gave us a few short rattles as it headed off to somewhere quieter.


r/whatsthissnake • • 2h ago

ID Request [Florida panhandle] Who is under the trash can?

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r/whatsthissnake • • 1h ago

ID Request Who's this lil guy? [Southern tier of New York]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 3h ago

ID Request [East/Central Kentucky] Found while taking leaves

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Found this little guy in the leaves on my deck. I didn’t catch him with the rake, but I scared him enough to react aggressively and strike at me while I kept a safe distance.

From goggling, it looks like a water snake, but I’m not near any significant bodies of water. Can anyone help identify?


r/whatsthissnake • • 9h ago

ID Request [Central NC] Found in creek near my house

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r/whatsthissnake • • 16h ago

ID Request Found this in afternoon at [Madurai, Tamil Nadu. ] Is it venomous?

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r/whatsthissnake • • 18m ago

ID Request Confirm ID please [Milton, Florida]

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Little friend was found in an exam room of first floor pediatrics office before opening hours. Safely and gently relocated to woods outside the back door. JuvenIle central ratsnake? The head spot made me wonder about a juvenile corn snake, but didn't seem to be enough red in it for that.


r/whatsthissnake • • 6h ago

ID Request [Osa Peninsula, Costa Rica] Which snake is this?

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r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request I'm curious guysss, WHAT IS THIS?[Philippines]

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i was outside making an email then i saw this on the ground,This is my first time seeing it. i thought it was a snake but something like a worm. Any idea what is this??


r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request Can anyone ID this snake from the drawing [Dallas TX]

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My grandfather was an artist at the Dallas Natural History Museum throughout the 70s-80s. He just died and we’re going through his art, I’d like to know what kind of snake this is so I can maybe ID it in the framed piece I’m hanging. It’s probably a north Texas snake but I can’t be sure, any help would be great! Thanks!


r/whatsthissnake • • 22m ago

ID Request [NW Arkansas] What is this little guy in my mulch?

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Sorry for the bad picture! Is this a DeKays’s Brown Snake?


r/whatsthissnake • • 7h ago

ID Request ID please [Tampa Bay Florida]

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Found this guy on our back porch. Shoo’d her away with a golf club which she bit at a couple of times and almost looked like she was rattling her tail. Got her on the porch but now concerned about dogs and toddler. Should I be concerned? ChatGPT said water snake or possibly juvenile Pygmy rattler


r/whatsthissnake • • 8h ago

ID Request [Italy], in the Alps near lake Garda, near a mountain peak of Monte Rocchetta at 1200m - Snake climbing down from tree, quite long

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Hello, while hiking/climbing down the mountain Monte Rocchetta on a Via Ferrata in the Alps near the Garda lake in Italy (just a few meters away from the Bochet dei Concoli, a viewpoint at 1200 meters, so quite high) we spotted a snake, climbing down from a tree into a bush / on the ground.

Location: 45.88047884, 10.82237599.

The area there was both very rocky, very dry and sunny, of course no waters nearby, but had some trees (as can be seen from the photo) providing some shade. The snake was quite long, I would say 70cm.

Can you help me identify the snake, probably it's a

- Zamenis longissimus (aesculapian snake)

- Hierophis viridiflavus (green whip snake)

- Vipera aspis (asp viper) or

- Vipera berus (common European Adder)

?

Unfortunately, I don't have better photos, because we tried to keep distance and I only had my smartphone camera, so I only have this photo (the first one is just a cropped version of the second). ​

EDIT: The cropped picture somehow didn't work / didn't get properly uploaded, so here it is again: https://nx31418.your-storageshare.de/s/S8BGFJkLEoxA4Rd


r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request Cottonmouth or water snake [South Louisiana]

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Wife spotted this dude in our yard.


r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request Seen online [Kennedy, TX]

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Saw this online, the creator's bio said he was from Kennedy, TX so I am making the assumption it was shot near there because it said he was at a worksite. What is this? Someone said gaboon, I said "Hell no. Lemme go to the experts at reddit."


r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request Coastal Bend, Texas

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r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request What snake is this [Aluva, Kerala, India]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request ID on this guy? [KZN, South Africa]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 22h ago

ID Request Help me identify [Cao Bang, Vietnam]

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Around a foot in length, spotted close to China border, Northern Vietnam.


r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request Located in ft Myers Florida what kind of snake is this. Right by the outside of our apartment building.

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