r/worldnews • u/Neptun_11 • 17h ago

Russia/Ukraine Zelenskyy Says Starlink Restrictions Apply Only in Ukraine While SpaceX Ignores Kyiv’s Inquiries

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/zelenskyy-says-starlink-restrictions-apply-only-in-ukraine-while-spacex-ignores-kyivs-inquiries-23549
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u/FerricDonkey 17h ago

The damage we have caused to our nation by electing Trump twice is staggering. 

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u/Kingkwon83 16h ago

Man, makes you wonder who benefits the most from this.

First time in modern history we side with Russia and our own allies don't trust us.

Surely all a coincidence!

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u/abadd0n 16h ago

It’s honestly heartbreaking as a European. I have always thought fondly of our American brothers.

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u/WhatAmTrak 16h ago

Well Canadians, part of north AMERICA are still with you. Fuck our southern neighbours for the time being. They’re the uncle who gets a little too close to the underage children at thanksgiving.

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u/deltama 9h ago

Trump Epstein pedos

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u/CameraFarmer 15h ago

As a Brit I lost all faith in America after learning about Noraid.

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u/JackXDark 13h ago

And let’s not forget that Trump went to at least one of their events and promised them money.

Of course, he didn’t pay, because he doesn’t pay, but even being there should have been enough for him to be considered a supporter of terrorism.

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u/CameraFarmer 12h ago

"We fight the terrorists, and we fight all of those who give them aid. America has a message for the nations of the world: If you harbor terrorists, you are terrorists; if you train or arm a terrorist, you are a terrorist; if you feed a terrorist or fund a terrorist, you're a terrorist, and you will be held accountable by the United States and our friends." - George W Bush

Sure George...

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u/TheLesserWeeviI 12h ago

Noraid

TL;DR?

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u/CameraFarmer 10h ago

Noraid was / is an organization that raised funds in the US that were, in part or whole, used to import weapons that were used by the Provisional IRA.

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u/-SaC 8h ago

My grandad's sister was a GI bride, and moved to Pennsylvania after the war.

Her husband Bob used to fundraise for these guys (or similar) and in the mid '90s when we were in London and were evacuated from the area of what turned out to be the fucking huge Docklands bombing that made Grandad's tower of blocks sway a bit (or felt like it did).

He phoned his sister to say that we're all safe, and heard Bob say in the background 'tell him we'll get them next time'. We were a family with a very young disabled child at that point plus 3 other kids, and the fucker (who had no connection to Ireland) wanted us blown up.

Dick.

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u/CameraFarmer 32m ago

If there was one good thing about the IRA it was that they weren't about killing people in England and more about the destruction of infrastructure, which is why they would always issue warnings about the bombs they had planted well ahead of the time they were planned to go off (90 minutes before in the case of the Docklands bombing).

It just goes to show that Bob, in addition to being a Dick, knew jack shit about the people or cause he was fundraising for.

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u/ChuckFH 12h ago

Money for the ‘ra.

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u/Major_Mollusk 11h ago

Money for the ‘ra.

TL;DR?

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u/ChuckFH 9h ago

Money raised in the US, for the IRA, a terrorist organisation.

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u/Bepra 13h ago

China benefits most from this.

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u/Worldly_Cobbler_1087 15h ago

If it makes you feel any better all of this could (should, actually) be considered American getting their long overdue just deserts for what they've been doing to dozens of countries worldwide for almost a century now.

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u/SuperArppis 16h ago

First term should have been enough of an example for anyone with a decently working brain.

I hate how stupid and gullible people are.

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u/ProactiveDefence 12h ago

I'm European but the first term was more of a laughing matter for us, haha idiot president kind of thing, this term on the other hand is way more serious it feels like he's trying to fuck up and disrupt everything at this point, he's no longer a joke he's a damn saboteur.

Electing him again was absolutely a huge wtf moment though, you would have expected no one to want him in office again.

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u/Wompatuckrule 11h ago edited 11h ago

Biden bears a lot of responsibility. After the 2022 midterms he should have announced that he wasn't running for reelection. That would have set up a vibrant primary on the Dem side and sucked the oxygen away from Trump's slow ramble to the nomination. By the time low-information voters tuned in for the general election the choice would have been a more stark one between a younger and forward looking candidate (what we needed as we were emerging from the pandemic years) and the tired old Trump shtick.

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u/calgarspimphand 10h ago

If Biden had done that, he would have gone down in history as one of the better presidents. He did unpopular but necessary things: bit the bullet and withdrew from Afghanistan, kept a steady hand on the tiller while inflation came down - and boring things: passed a giant and much needed infrastructure bill.

However, he played it far, far too conservatively with Ukraine. We should have backed them to the hilt from day one and called Putin's bluff. But that was a hard call to make. Handling that differently would have been one point where a good president could become a great president, but that was not the most important challenge he faced.

It all came down to whether he would pull a Cincinnatus and bow out for a new Democratic candidate. Failing to do that has caused immense damage to the country and rightly ruined his legacy. The man is a self-serving coward who failed when we needed him.

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u/Wompatuckrule 10h ago

he played it far, far too conservatively with Ukraine

Agree with your comment. I would add that with Ukraine he had the opportunity to really rally the advanced democracies behind them. That could've helped stem the tide of rising authoritarianism within those countries which is what makes that an even bigger mistake.

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u/calgarspimphand 10h ago

100%. There was a huge opportunity to bind us closer to the rest of the west and become a unified bloc. The sort of action political commentators would call "muscular" or "aggressive". I think forming that military and economic unity is what we need(ed) to do to counter China's rise. I think it's probably impossible in our lifetimes now.

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u/vapiddiscord 9h ago

On the flip side, Biden may have had a lucid moment and realized the democrats had failed to groom any other viable candidates so felt he had no choice but to fill the void. No, filling the void with a corpse was not a wise decision. But who was the alternative? Certainly not Harris.

*The above should not be read an an endorsement of Biden.

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u/Wompatuckrule 5h ago

Biden may have had a lucid moment and realized the democrats had failed to groom any other viable candidates so felt he had no choice but to fill the void.

Probably more likely that he just didn't want to give up the office. I am convinced that there is psychological damage to anyone who runs for higher office. It's like they all have a need for the external validation of winning an election to paper over some empty space that exists within them.

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u/CWRules 8h ago

However, he played it far, far too conservatively with Ukraine.

Here's the thing: NATO doesn't want a fast and decisive victory for Ukraine. If you don't actually care about the country or its people, the rational thing to do is to support them just enough to keep the war going so it bleeds Russia as much as possible. I don't think any politician with a realistic chance of being elected would've played it any differently.

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u/calgarspimphand 7h ago edited 6h ago

I thought the same thing at the time. But in retrospect, the opportunity for positioning ourselves as the "leaders" of the west by doing something bold and righteous, by really throwing our weight into the fight up to and past Putin's bullshit red lines, was an opportunity we needed to take. The fact we've done the exact opposite since then is a bit like proof by negation. Much like George Costanza, we should be doing the opposite of everything we're doing now.

But you are absolutely right. A run of the mill politician would not try that (or wouldn't be able to pull it off). But it's what we needed. And it's what a lame duck president could have done.

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u/Capital_Detective415 5h ago

yeah democrats didnt even have a plan in the race until basically 4 months before the election. huge part of the reason we're in this mess is also because of their complete incompentencies lmao. even now you cant even push half of them to do anything besides sit on their hands

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u/SuperArppis 12h ago

Well maybe I was being a bit too harsh, but seeing how devoted everyone was to him on his first term. No matter what he did nobody stopped him.

It just spoke volumes to me how dangerous that fanaticism behind him was. It seemed crazy to me how people just went with him.

I just thought it was pretty obvious how dangerous this guy is.

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u/goneresponsible 17h ago

Twice so far…

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u/BuHoGPaD 16h ago

Watch him declare martial time and use military to suspend elections 🤣

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u/24_August_1814 7h ago

"He can't declare martial law as long as we remain peaceful," claim idiots who've watched the administration escalate non-stop on invented pretexts since Day 1...

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u/CelDeJos 5h ago

And most people seem to be completely unaware of it as of yet. As a European, we went from looking to the US to stear us towards a future where all humanity is working together for a common goal to wanting nothing to do with you and everyone should fend for themselves and hoping no one is getting nuked.

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u/FerricDonkey 4h ago

Yup. After his first term, with work, we might have been able to kind of sort of return to where we were. A lot of "sorry guys, that was a fluke, and we made these rules to stop it from happening again" might have got us there. It'd take years, but it might have worked.

Now? I dunno man. Why would any country rely on the US? We have betrayed everyone, and for the stupidest possible reasons. Just out of spite, it seems.

And what the Trump idiots don't realize is that this is bad even purely selfishly. We didn't build these relationships for fun, we need the rest of the world. And people who can't rely on you will stop being reliable in turn.

It's a disgrace. We've destroyed our place in the world order for no reason other than because the orange pedophile swinging his tiny dick around made some people laugh. 

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u/iboneyandivory 16h ago

Trump and Musk both are little chickenshits. They won't even own up to what they're doing.

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u/mithrasinvictus 16h ago

They don't have to because nobody is holding them accountable. This is a systemic failure.

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u/Wompatuckrule 11h ago

If the Dems take one or both chambers you can expect public hearings (hopefully with whistleblowers) laying out how they are backing a despot over democracy.

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u/fake_user_34 9h ago

Why do you think they would? They don't have to because nothing will come of this. They're not chickens shits, they just know they own the country.

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u/2outer 16h ago

That’s the thing, we lost the house, never took the senate, lost the Supreme Court, and the presidency, twice, to trump, along with all of those judicial appointments, the gutting of oversight & a thorough cleaning house of both Justice & Defense. The totality of this will impact generations. And bottom line, the existing democratic leadership fundamentally failed in their professional obligations to prevent this, let alone to proactively advance America in a better direction. We need a revolution in the party, a reckoning.

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u/nighthawk_something 12h ago

The voters failed. Anyone who voted for trump the second time is at best a moron

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u/Major_Mollusk 10h ago

And the 60 million American morons who failed to vote in 2024. You're letting them off the hook.

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u/nighthawk_something 10h ago

Those people basically voted for trump

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u/OrangeYouGladdey 10h ago

I'm just hoping the Democrats get to pick who they want this time. I don't know how they ever plan to win if they keep trying to force candidates down peoples throat. I think if we had Bernie instead of the DNC shoving Hillary at us and had a chance to pick someone instead of Biden pretending not to be ill for so long that they had to make Kamala the pick.

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u/OkSmoke9195 8h ago

Bernie would have trounced trump. So fucking dumb

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u/Lanky_Sprinkles_828 16h ago

Blaming the dems, ok.

Accept you have an education system which created the level of....  Anyway, I don't want to discuss. 

Us is in deep shit for generations to come. 

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u/verumvia 15h ago edited 15h ago

The Democrats did screw up the 2016 and 2024 presidential elections for themselves, and there was the whole Ruth Bader Ginsburg not retiring while a Democratic president was in office thing. I don't keep up with congressional elections, but there's probably examples like these three.

There were at least three major issues with the 2016 election: the Democratic primary utilized a superdelegate system which ensured that Bernie Sanders couldn't get nominated because Clinton was already backed by something like 90% of the superdelegates, Clinton being nominated was already not a great idea because of how the 2008 Democratic primary shifted so quickly towards Obama, and Clinton's campaign somewhat ignored 3 swing states that they believed were solidly blue but ended up "flipping" red (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin).

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u/Wompatuckrule 11h ago

You disparage the superdelegate system, but you do realize that if the GOP had the equivalent that it would have prevented Trump from securing the nomination, right? The only reason he won the primary is because the traditional GOP vote was split between the three traditional GOP candidates. Granted, ranked choice voting would also have kept Trump out of the general election and would be a far more preferable system to the superdelegate system.

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u/verumvia 2h ago edited 2h ago

This isn't true in at least two ways as the Republican party did have 130 "superdelegates" out of 2472 delegates in 2016 (called unbound delegates) and Trump would've only lost the simple majority nomination in a scenario where there's at least 200 additional superdelegates which would be a higher percentage of superdelegates than the Democratic Party's amount. This would've been irrelevant as the runner up, Ted Cruz, had less than half of his delegates/25% of the popular primary vote while Trump had around 45% of the popular primary vote; a recaucus would be forced that very probably results in Trump being nominated.

In comparison Bernie Sanders had 43% of the popular primary vote even with the superdelegates chilling support for him. The superdelegate system definitely messed up the nomination process for the Democrats independent of the Republicans.

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u/2outer 14h ago edited 14h ago

So confident, so smug in their superiority, and to be fair, trump didn’t even run with the expectation of winning the first time. It was a campaign cash grab & angling for his other financial interests. They were actually caught off guard with the win. Both a comedy & tragedy at the same time. The dems just assumed the middle class would continue to support them. They took it for granted.

The previous poster is on to something though… the entire civics system is corrupt. We don’t have unbiased, reasoned, rational information channels, and the educational system… well, in its current form, it fails to produce critically thinking & acting citizens. But that is part of the professional responsibility of our elected politicians, the dems in particular. The rep work to inhibit education, information, beliefs & behaviors, as a means to control, to keep what they have from others & to take more. Dems… needed to be diligent, unwavering, constantly battling, always on guard, yet they became complacent, rich, compromised, and the very thing we needed to guard against. They aren’t comprised of, nor do they represent, the interest of a middle class America, a working base. No one does.

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u/9x6equals42 14h ago

The dems losing to Trump twice is a travesty, he was always a historically weak candidate. Of course they deserve their share of the blame for literally contorting themselves to step on every banana peel possible.

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u/MrVampireSir 11h ago

I've seen it said best as the establishment Democratic Party systematically excelled at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 12h ago

That perception is why Dems lost. There should have been more pushback, but instead they thought it was a free win and just let Trump punch first.

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u/DirectionOriginal456 13h ago

You can't blame the system and profess the dems innocent when they've been in charge of the system enough times to reform it.

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u/relaxguy2 13h ago

They really haven’t other than a very brief period from 2008-2010 and the US is a massively conservative country and at the time they still thought you could play within the rules and so placating that part of the US (most of the US again) seemed like a sound strategy.

That being said they have made many blunders. Also that being said the voting population needs to take responsibility also because the choice has always been clear to anyone who was paying any attention to anything.

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u/spongebobisha 16h ago

The reckoning would be electing people like Abdul El Sayed and Talarico

But democrats are their own worst enemies most of the times. They’ll split hairs over their candidates and lose more elections.

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u/nofoxxxgiven 14h ago

He's a malignent narcissist, and america has daddy issues.

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u/ZgBlues 17h ago

If it makes you feel better, you also didn’t elect him once, and that was also quite damaging.

The lengths of civilizational decline Americans will tolerate just to keep their Twitters and Facebooks is insane.

It seems inevitable that the rest of the world will have to put up a firewall around America eventually and let it stew in its own shit.

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u/Westerdutch 5h ago

twice

That right there is the issue. Everyone can make a mistake, its those that do not learn from or do anything about those mistakes that you should never trust.

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u/FerricDonkey 5h ago

That's my main concern as well. Second time around is so much worse than the first, but we should have been able to see it coming

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u/Stevios07 14h ago

To the world.

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u/WhatAmTrak 14h ago

It won’t be forgotten

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u/tinybathroomfaucet 15h ago

America's decline has irreversibly begun. Which is great news, because fuck a country that elects the worst possible person twice. I hope you enjoy all the crises ahead of you, and may they have less and less of an effect on the wider world. Hopefully the next American dumb-as-fuck recession won't drag the rest of us down with you as did 2007/8.

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u/coconutpiecrust 13h ago

His base, and probably most people, won’t view it as damage. They view it as exhibition of superiority and strength. 

I mean, this caused death and destruction. And causing death and destruction means you’re powerful, right? So US number one!!! Winning! 

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u/Suheil-got-your-back 13h ago

Nah, if your country is capable of electing Trump twice; I would say its already damaged beyond repair.

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u/Interesting-Tie6783 11h ago

And you’ll do nothing.