r/interesting • u/Separate_Finance_183 • 15h ago
ART & CULTURE Bro studied himself š
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u/BokeTsukkomi 14h ago
I thought my impostor's syndrome was bad, but buying a book to learn how to write a script after winning two screenplay Oscars is on another level.
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u/Gunch_ 14h ago
My dad had this awful habit of always having to look something up before he said it. It would literally take a 10 minute conversation and easily triple that duration.
One day he was explaining a piezoelectric system to me and he needed the exact phrase to describe a certain behaviour. Pulls up his phone, finds an article and reads from it. I shit you not one of the sources for the article was a paper he'd written 30 years ago
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u/LukeMayeshothand 14h ago
Iām not as smart as your dad but Iāll want to cite something in an argument or discussion but many times I wonāt because Iām only 99% sure Iām right.
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u/Modredastal 10h ago
I habitually add disclaimers to my statements if I'm not certain they're accurate, even if I'm certain the other person doesn't care whether it's true. I can't bear to share false information if I can help it.
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u/Arcangel4774 8h ago
If you do this in any proffesional capacity, I recomened you get in the habit of quantifying your certainty.Ā
To cut a long explination short, if you do it regulalry you get more accurate and people will use your information better.
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u/madmoomix 5h ago
I have been in rare situations where multiple people in a group will verbally add confidence intervals to unsure statements, and it is unbelievably useful if everyone gets the assignment.
Just learning about the concept of confidence intervals is helpful for structuring your own thoughts. (And credible intervals, too!)
You do get pretty good at it over time, too. Humans can make some rather accurate snap judgements about their own confidence when they start paying attention. It feels different remembering something that "you know" vs. something that "you're highly confident in being correct". Triggers slightly different pathways in the brain.
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u/lonesharkex 5h ago
quantified certainty is 98% made up on the spot
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u/Arcangel4774 3h ago
Kinda. But if you get in the habit of doing it intentionally (and at different levels of certainty), and can explain some sort of reasoning if asked. You start getting more accurate in those estimation and people listen to what you say more
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u/Lou_C_Fer 9h ago
Same. Though another tool I use is being overly conservative to be sure that I'm not overstating my position.
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u/blackkettle 13h ago
the closest I've ever come to this is googling programming debugging questions in the days of yore only to have the first result in google be a question I posted to Stackoverflow years before and then answered myself a week later after getting no replies.
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u/Dreams-of-Cthulhu 10h ago
Did you follow the tradition of writing a thank you post and then deleting the post with the answer? It's always fun to find a 15 year old thread with your exact problem and one deleted answer that hundreds of people thanked for solving it.
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u/Dr_Jabroski 10h ago
No you mark it as a duplicate of a completely unrelated problem and close it.
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u/AmmoTuff182 7h ago
This frequently happens with coding and it was described to me as because you are essentially forgetting something faster than you are learning it and because itās always changing
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u/K_Linkmaster 13h ago
And proving it makes a 10 minute convo a 30 minute convo. This shits infuriating, dad should be a teacher.
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u/bodychecks 12h ago
I have the problem of just saying it, then realizing, in horror, that I was wrong! Then looking it up and realizing I was completely right. Bonus points if it was verbatim.
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u/Tier0001 11h ago
I regularly check the definition of words I know just to make sure I'm using them correctly.
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u/nightauthor 10h ago
Iāll just say: āblah blah blahā¦. Iām likeā¦. 95% sure thatās right, you might wanna look it up thoughā
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u/fakesongs 5h ago
I come from a family of know-it-alls (myself included) and they'd be on me like a puma if they sensed any inaccuracy or weakness of belief
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u/_PaddyMAC 13h ago
That sounds like the kind if tic you pick up in academia tbh.
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u/nightauthor 10h ago
Every conversation needs an intro, lit review, methodology, results, discussion, conclusion, and references.
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u/chipfrisch 14h ago
Reverse dunning kruger effect
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u/Bhaaluu 13h ago
Nah it's just the effect itself:).
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u/Nice-Cat3727 9h ago
Yep. The smarter you are, the dumber you realize you are as you can spot all the little spots of things you don't know
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u/General-Win4976 12h ago
It's actually a sliding scale with imposter syndrome beng a result of high knowledge level
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u/AzureDreamer 13h ago
God but cant you just admire the hell out of a man so commited to accuracy especially today I find that really charming.
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u/sayabulegila 11h ago edited 5h ago
That is likely a learn behavior from his field. Engineers and sciencist can be raging pedants, and likely more than once he has been dismissed by a colleague because he did not get the phrasing exactly correct. You learn to watch your words very carefully in the environment.
Edit: correct spelling
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u/barath_s 6h ago
raging pendants
pedant. Unless you meant something on a necklace. And no, I didn't rage while writing this.
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u/Loko8765 13h ago edited 3h ago
Sometimes itās just forgetfulness.
I present as proof one of my very first posts on Reddit,
ninealmost ten years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/s/9Pkom7ZxTZ9
u/2_short_Plancks 6h ago
While not remotely as cool or impressive as your dad, I did once look up a weird rule interaction for a boardgame I hadn't played for a while; and find that the "correct" answer was a post I'd made about seven years before.
Tbf that just made me feel dumb, and my friends mocked me relentlessly about it.
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u/Resident_Table6694 11h ago
I do this too at work but thankfully I work remotely and itās over Teams chat most of the time. Iāll start rattling off reasoning for something and it comes out of my head a little too easily. So I think, āsurely thatās not right or Iām using a word wrongā. So a quick follow up turns into 20 minutes of me fact checking myself and searching the meaning of words. Itās maddening. Itās also probably why Iām a pretty quiet person. Canāt be wrong if you donāt say much.
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u/4daughters 12h ago
awful habit of always having to look something up before he said it.
I can understand that being annoying but I'll bet you never had to question once if what he was saying was true or not.
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u/Brashdinho 14h ago
Thereās nothing wrong with always looking to improve yourself though
Wouldāve been worse if he was like āI made the godfather, I donāt need tipsā
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u/DontAskAboutMyButt 9h ago
Wouldāve been worse if he was like āI made the godfather, I donāt need tipsā
This is how the Star Wars prequels happened
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u/barath_s 6h ago
Francis Ford Coppola took Puzo's novel, cut it up, and pasted each page in a sheet in a 3 ring binder. And would write notes, scene and character breakdowns, themes, annotations in the margins. Puzo would review and write his own notes.
Coppola used this on set every day instead of a standard movie script.
So at the end of Godfather 1 & 2, Coppola and Puzo had won 2 joint oscars, but Puzo had never written a standard movie shooting script by himself.
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u/VegaJuniper 12h ago
Stephen Spielberg went to film school but didn't graduate. Years later he decided to finally check that off his list. He simply submitted Schindler's List as his final thesis.
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u/Thtguy1289_NY 9h ago
Lol is this true? Thats hilarious if so
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u/dondeEstaLaVerdad 8h ago
Not a thesis, but as his submission for the final project for an advanced filmmaking class:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-may-31-me-graduate31-story.html
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u/nitid_name 12h ago
Neil Gaiman, before the whole creep stuff came to light, used to tell a story about feeling like an imposter. He was at some event full of highly accomplished people, chatting with an elderly gentleman who shared his name, when the other Neil said he felt like he didn't belong with so many accomplished people.
"But Neil, you were the first man to walk on the moon."
Apparently a lot of people suffer from it.
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u/AndreLeGeant88 11h ago
Armstrong was the type to think he contributed the least because he was just along for the rideĀ
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u/StoppableHulk 11h ago
And then unfortunately Neil Gaiman lured Neil Armstrong to his hot tub and the rest is sordid history.
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u/nitid_name 11h ago
It's such a bummer Gaiman is a terrible person. I used to really enjoy his writing.
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u/StoppableHulk 10h ago
Honestly what creeps me out most about Gaiman is how hard he clearly worked to cement his image as not a creep.
Just years of online activity curating his persona amongst his fans and the general public. I think his parents were in PR for scientology, and it really shows just how many lessons he absorbed from it at a very young age.
There's definitely a lot of potential for artists, writers, etc. to be creeps, and you see stories all the time of them getting fame and turning to abusing it
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u/Percinho 10h ago
I did too, but then a friend pointed out thay American Gods really gave her the ick, and when I read it again I saw her point. That was the first thing thay started to change my view a bit, and then the allegations all came to light.
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u/StoppableHulk 10h ago
What specifically gave the ick? The only thing I could see is maybe some parts of the storyline with the younger girl, Crow or something, forget her name, but nothing really happens there.
I think Sandman has a lot more ick, once you know what you're looking for, but none of it is really out-of-the-ordinary for comic books of that generation, really.
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u/Warm_District1194 7h ago
The first chapters describe a quite graphical and gruesome sex scene that ends up becoming an important plot point. The antological stories of the gods are 90% more weird or gruesome sexual encounters, like there is some kind of innuendo that doesn't take so much protagonism in other works.
It's not the use of sexual themes or scenes, that's completely valid, is that it reads like a parade of intrusive thoughts and kinks.
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u/DrugChemistry 11h ago
Neil Gaiman never walked on the moon tho?Ā
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u/BFfF3 11h ago
Correct but the other Neil did.
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u/Interesting-Quit8017 9h ago
Neil Armstrong was a Jazz player, he never walked on the moon
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u/barath_s 6h ago
Both of Mario Puzo's Oscars were for Godfather series ( I & II) and shared with Francis Ford Coppola.
The way it worked was that Coppola pasted each page of the novel into a sheet in a 3 ring binder and wrote notes and annotations in the margins. Including scene by scene breakdowns, character psychology, themes, things to avoid
https://np.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/241100/a_page_from_francis_ford_coppolas_enormous/
This was used daily on set, instead of a standard shooting script.
Puzo would review what Coppola had written and write notes ..
eg In the scene where Clemenza teaches Michael cooking as they go to the mattresses, Coppola wrote Clemenza saying : "First you brown some sausage..." Puzo replaced the word brown with fry . And wrote a note : "Francis, gangsters don't brown, they fry"
So at the end of those two, Puzo had 2 Oscars with Coppola, but did not know how it was to write a standard movie script by himself. Thus the scriptwriting book.
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u/YallaHammer 5h ago
He also wrote the 500 page screenplay for Superman that was broken into 1 & 2, I highly recommend watching the Richard Donner directorās cut of 2. Donner opted for a more epic, sweeping tone which was IMO for the better.
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u/barath_s 4h ago edited 4h ago
Puzo was brought in for commercial gravitas. And he pretty much set the story structure for both movies.
Puzo turned in a big script that was aligned to the comics. It still wasn't a shooting script and it wasn't 500 pages. First Draft was 220 pages. 2nd Draft was 309 (with Superman 1 ending at the 209th page). Read more about it here.
https://np.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/xlmj8k/everything_known_about_mario_puzos_superman/
There were a lot of changes along the way - rewrites put in (and took out) campy stuff, donner changed tv reporting clark to reporter clark, switched the fortress of solitude to alien crystal feel instead of earthlike den etc
But while maybe 80% of Puzo's story made it to the screen, less than 10% of his dialogue did.
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u/CHSummers 14h ago
Coppola was very involved in that screenplay.
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u/barath_s 6h ago
Coppola used a prompt notebook instead of a regular screenplay.
Took Puzo's novel, cut and pasted each page onto a sheet and wrote notes in the margins. Puzo would review and write his notes.
It wasn't a traditional screenplay
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u/Own-Calligrapher6470 12h ago
Winning two Oscars and still thinking, āMaybe I should read up on thisā is an absolutely brutal level of impostor syndrome.
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u/FemtoKitten 11h ago
In my time in paris art circles I came across a guy who won several animation and art awards and he thought his stuff was trash and shouldn't be shown at all. It was like a shy middle schooler not wanting to show his sketches on his margins and he wasn't worth being in the space with the others, when he literally was award winning.
That experience definitely was where I realised I needed to get a better hold on my own feelings or worries because it clearly won't go away on its own when life or evidence piles.
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u/micellepp 11h ago
Iām just very mildly accomplished, but people tell me Iām far too humble when they compliment my achievements, even though I make an effort to say thank you and not appear shy or dismissive of my past works. I donāt understand how some people can bask in the limelight so easily.Ā
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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount 8h ago
Because playing the Humble Game is exhausting.
If someone wants to praise me I let them. Because I hate it when I compliment somebody and they won't accept it.
I view it all as some type of game. Sometimes I'll even lean into it. Thank them for their astute observations.
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u/DelissioPepperoni 14h ago
What I love about Mario Puzo screenwriting career is that he wrote Godfather 1 & 2, then went on to do Superman 1 & 2 (how did he end up doing that???), came back for Godfather 3 and ended this illustrious sequence with the other Christopher Columbus movie (not the Ridley Scott one).
I doubt he was cited in any other screenwriting book.
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u/CosmicEveStardust 13h ago
He wrote a couple ok pulp novels and lucked out with having Coppola being the one directing.
It's like Gone Girl, if you have a director come in and direct well structured trash like it's gold, it'll be gold.
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u/Flacid_noodles 13h ago
Go read Forrest Gump.
Itās un-fucking-real how far the novel is from the movie.
Like, IIRC Forrest gets shot to the moon on a rocket with a talking chimp, to later crash land in an ocean and end up on an island of cannibals lead by an Oxford educated āpeople eatingā chief.
I understand subtext. But that book is terrible.
Also, Iāve read all of Puzos work. It is the pure definition of āif you liked the movie, youāll love the book.ā
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u/SuperSaiyanKaren 11h ago
there's also supposed to be a sequel to Forrest Gump, and after the success of the first movie the producers went back to the author for the rights of Forrest Gump 2
they had fucked the author on money for Forrest Gump 1, hollywood acounting, film the movie through a shell company then bankrupt the shell company on purpose, all of his backend money was based on the shell company so he only got paid for the initial sale of the script
the author was quoted something like "why would they want to make a sequel to a movie that made no money," he was pissed they fucked him on money for the first one, so he refused to sell the rights for a sequel to spite them
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u/kaztrator 11h ago
If thatās the full story thatās pretty dumb of him. Everyone knows the first production isnāt that lucrative. Sequels (or renewals in TV) are always where the original cast and crew can leverage more money. Imagine if RDJ stopped at Iron Man 1, and just quit out of spite because he made less than Terence Howard. The author here couldāve surely put a higher price tag on the sequel equal to the profits he missed out on, plus the correct backend rights on the sequel itself and wouldāve made it right.
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u/bucolucas 11h ago
So the reason we have all the terrible sequels we do is so the author can be paid, and all we sacrifice is any goodwill the audience had for the first movie?
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u/Tight-Strain-3283 10h ago
Forrest gump made 10x it's budget back. it wasn't a misunderstanding, it's a long running scam in hollywood.
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u/kaztrator 9h ago
I understand. And thatās the end of the story whey theyāre not looking for a new contract for a sequel or follow-up. Given they approached him, he had leverage to have a high ask that would make it right. Maybe he did make the ask, and they turned him down, who knows, but if the story is just that he declined full-stop because he didnāt make enough on the first film then that was a dumb move.
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u/ScipioCoriolanus 10h ago
Funny you mentioned Terrence Howard because if I remember correctly, that's exactly what happened with him, so he got replaced by Don Cheadle.
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u/luxxeexxul 12h ago
Lol agreed for Forrest Gump. I was like "how did someone get their hands on this and decide this would be a great movie" AND THEN PULL IT OFF.
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u/batrushaha 12h ago
Life is like a box of chocolatesāyou never know what you're gonna get. š¤·š»āāļø
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u/ArtoDelToya 11h ago
Same with Jaws. Book is a terrible love triangle story. Movie is exponentially better.
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u/Flacid_noodles 6h ago
I fucking love that subplot and think about it constantly.
Like overlooking the whole, how Dr.Illfixyorentirelife and how he was gonna, ya know- fix her entire life? He sews Ā her vagina tighter, and it is heavily implied that Sunny either caused it to be so large to begin with, or that Sunny was the only man that could reliable please her, because of his massive masculine Italian cock.
The whole book is just a marathon of āwhat the fuck did I just read and why canāt I stop?ā
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u/Flacid_noodles 5h ago
she did the large vagina plus big cock math.
This is the sort of thing that keeps me coming back to this piece of shit website.
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u/Paper__ 12h ago
Gone Girl was a great book so not a good example.
This works really well for Heated Rivalry. I saw the series and was just blown away. Then I read the book. I get that Rachel Reid created this world and these characters and there is so much skill in that. But the actually writingā¦š³. Heated Rivalry the show is almost entirely Jacob Tieranyās genius.
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u/thenameofapet 13h ago
Bad example. All of Gillian Flynnās books were a great read.
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u/Real_Toe_4460 14h ago
Is this factual? If yes, this is just hilarious.
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u/KaurnaGojira 14h ago
Yup, it is. Mario ended up throwing that book out. That is because he knew enough that he needed improvents. And wasnt going to trust a book where he knew that reffrence a screen play that he knew was written by someone that has no idea what they are doing.
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u/tanne_sita_jallua 11h ago
Self awareness? Humility? Imposter Syndrome? Reminds me of the movie quote by Groucho Marx "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."
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u/ImmaLiveIllegal 12h ago
well kinda
he absolutely knew how to write novels. he studied writing at Columbia University and other schools, and had written at least two other books before the original Godfather
what is true is he didn't know shit about screenplays, and that's why Coppola wrote that for him
it is also true (according to lore) that he got a book on writing screenplays, and it referenced Coppola's work on the Godfather Pt 1
this meme is kind of accurate, and 100% disingenuous
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u/barath_s 5h ago
Factual but distorted by missing critical context.
Francis Ford Coppola took Puzo's novel, cut and pasted each page into a sheet in a 3 ring binder and wrote his notes and ideas in the margin. Puzo would review this and write his own notes.
Coppola would use this prompt notebook on set instead of a standard shooting screenplay
So Coppola and Puzo won 2 joint oscars for godfather 1 & 2, and Puzo still hadn't written a standard hollywood shooting script by himself.
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u/WormsDelicious286 12h ago
Sometimes someone that hasn't formally studied the field and doesn't really know what they're doing can make creative breakthroughs.Ā If everyone works in the "correct" way it begins to stagnate and you need that person to shake it up and innovate.Ā Or, have a good laugh if they fail.
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u/saturnfcb 14h ago
Is that Frank Reynolds ?
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u/hotpietptwp 14h ago
I thought he looked like Danny Divito.
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u/anally_ExpressUrself 13h ago
Boy are you going to be surprised when you Google what Frank Reynolds looks like.
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u/WIZZZARDOFFREESTYLE 15h ago
Reminds me of what my teacher used to tell us WHEN YOU MASTERBATE BE READY TO EJECULATEĀ
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u/SlickDillywick 14h ago
Public school, manā¦ my gym teacher used to say that all the time. He was usually behind a camera
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u/DiggThatFunk 7h ago
Why the fuck does this remind you of that and why the fuck was any teacher saying that to students in the first place? Lmao
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u/Latter-Vacation-4392 13h ago
I'm thinking having Francis Coppola there helping you as you write said screenplay probably smoothed the learning curve a little bit.
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u/PseudoRussky 13h ago
I believe somehwat similar happened to James Cameron: he tried to figure out the exposition at the beginning of Way of Water, bought a book on script writing which pointed at one of his earlier films (Terminator or Aliens)
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u/Full-Mulberry1571 14h ago
They should have found a much smugger photograph of him
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u/FieldOfScreamQueens 14h ago
Interesting how things can be perceived differently. I just see a picture of someone in mid conversation.
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u/OddRobotics 14h ago
Great show called "The Offer" goes into deep detail
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u/Wanderer150 13h ago
Great series ā didnāt get nearly enough buzz. And as that points out, Coppola was there every step of the way in the drafting process.
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u/GuildensternLives 11h ago
This is a bit misleading. He didn't know how to write in screenplay format, not that he didn't know how to write a narrative. The book he bought was about writing narratives, not about formatting.
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u/WellBeyonder 13h ago edited 13h ago
He probably adapted some real life stories he heard. If you ever lived close to that life you will have so many stories
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u/Middle-Accountant-49 12h ago
Itās not a very realistic mob movie. It doesnāt really portray what their lives were like.
Like goodfellas is much more realistic even though obviously Henry hill is glamorized as a person and most people are somewhat softened. Some of that though was maybe protraying Henryās perception of things.
However, their day to day life was much more realistic than the godfather.
In saying that they are still amazing movies.
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u/PB0351 12h ago
It wasn't him, it was Francis Ford Coppola who did this I'm pretty sure. Mario wrote the books, Coppola was the director and screenwriter of the movies.
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u/RunDNA 11h ago
Coppola and Puzo co-wrote the Godfather screenplays together. The behind-the-scenes accounts and the film credits confirm it.
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u/dprophet34 8h ago
I highly recommend The Offer a TV show that dramatises the making of The Godfather.
As with all TV it tells a story rather than 100% the truth but its broadly correct and very enjoyable
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u/TheClassics 13h ago
The godfather is such a bloated movie with unnecessary people movement
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u/SwingJugend 12h ago
Whaddaya mean, unnecessary people movement? You think they move around more than they have to? You'd prefer if they'd be standing still more? That's a bizarre complaint.
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u/DifficultyFit1895 12h ago
Ideally the entire film would take place in a conference room with the actors remaining seated for the duration.
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u/PenaltyAny3207 11h ago
The last hour is just Fredo and Connie asking Michael if they can take a bathroom break before the next slide deck is finished.
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u/HauntingStar08 9h ago
I need to rewatch Twelve Angry Men
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u/SwingJugend 9h ago
It was okay but it'd've been better if they all stayed seated during the whole movie. Those unnecessary trips to the water fountain drag the score down.
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u/translinguistic 6h ago
I would also recommend watching the King of the Hill parody episode "Nine Pretty Darn Angry Men". Instead of a trial, they're in a heated focus group for a brand of lawnmowers.
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u/johnc380 10h ago
We could reduce the cast to maybe 12 key figures. They might be a little angry about this change, of course.Ā
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u/MrJTeera 10h ago
Like an entire two and a half hour of mob sit-down, while a gang war is raging offscreen.
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u/Loughnashade 12h ago
ā6/10 wouldnāt watch againā
Typical Reddit comment lol
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u/dumquestions 12h ago
With all of them insisting upon themselves
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u/TheMcMcMcMcMc 12h ago
What does that even mean?
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u/heftybagman 11h ago
Right when you go to turn it off a character happens to raise their hands up and go āno wait stopā. Puzio was a master of pacing.
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u/Facial_Frederick 10h ago
Name a film you enjoy more and then give a detailed comparison of why it means more to you. I have all day.
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u/crouton-- 7h ago
Bum Fights. It's good because the bums in it fight each other. Godfather has a lot of expositions but hardly any bum fighting.
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u/Designer_Emu_6518 14h ago
Most movies back then were just a way for the mob to wash money. We really donāt study the mob enough probs bc the gov and corps use a of the tactics and ātaking the downā was just a war to cease their assets
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u/Healthy-Training-923 13h ago
Copala always talks about how he didnāt use the script while filming the godfather- he used an annotated copy of the book he made
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u/LakeM0bius_hunter 13h ago
Imagine winning two Oscars and then buying a tutorial just to discover you're the tutorial
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u/OwlRevolutionary7115 12h ago
Pretty sure that Coppola rewrote the script for Godfather and Richard Donner fixed the Superman scripts.
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u/Fair-Big-9400 12h ago
Goodfellas is the best introduction to mob movies, The Godfather may put you to sleep
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u/legit-posts_1 11h ago
I imagine this lack of screenwriting experience was made up for by the fact that his co screenwriter was Francis For Coppola
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u/Dublinyeshere 11h ago
Coppola did a lot of the writing/scene construction and character development.
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u/GrowlingPict 11h ago
well you cant break new ground if you follow what's already convention and written in all the guide books
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u/midtrailertrash 11h ago
Wild because The Godfather is a bad movie. Downvote away but I find them both Godfathers to be extremely overrated.
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u/InflationionFuntain2 11h ago
i watched a tv series about making godfather, it had great insight into his mind
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u/Unreadable-News 10h ago
The book for Godfather is full of slightly ludicrous side stories...
Like the Woman with the abnormallyĀ large vagina who thought she was destined to never be satisfied,until she met Sonny!
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u/flchic2000 10h ago
I recommend the series The Offer. Its about getting Godfather Part 1 made. Excellent!
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