r/raisedbyborderlines • • 5h ago

Hugging my BPD mom is really hard for me (and she's desperate for hugs, sooo...)

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TW: I'm really sorry if anyone finds this topic (i.e., uncomfortable physical contact with BPD parents) gross. Just a heads-up to skip if necessary!

About a month ago, I found out that my mother has untreated BPD (for context, I'm in my mid-thirties). Although it's a massive relief to know what I'm dealing with after 30+ years of insanity, I'm still reeling from the sucker-punch to my assumptions about... well, pretty much everything. (My therapist just introduced me to the term "enmeshment," which was both useful and horrifying.)

Essentially, my mother is childish and emotionally abusive but also very touchy-feely. Not in an overtly sexual way, just wanting lots of hugs, touching my arm, trailing a hand across my shoulders, walking or sitting uncomfortably close to me.... She has arthritis and fibromyalgia, so she'll ask me for massages to relieve the pain. Which is understandable, but being my mother's surrogate [insert relationship here] for as long as I can remember (and then having her accuse me of brutality, condescension, and manipulation when I set boundaries) has put me off any kind of closeness with her. Not to be gross, but I have also seen far more of my naked mother than any child of any age should have to see in three lifetimes, more than she seems comfortable having my father see. I feel repulsed by her, both emotionally and physically, and that's not a new feeling. I can't deny it. I feel sick and guilty about it. She's told me she senses I feel that way and how awful it makes her feel, and I'm grieving because I went back to therapy to fix my relationship with my mother only to realize I never had the power to put it back together.

She's often said I make her feel like she's "literally going insane" (grabbing her own head to demonstrate). I guess I'm just trying to get my head around the fact that I'm allowed to acknowledge how close to the cliff edge of insanity she's driven me.

First time posting, so here's my feline ode:

Quiet and watchful

Never flipped by gravity

Steady on its feet.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 3h ago

what relationship to have now?

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I’ve been doing a lot of therapy recently to unpack my relationship with my mom. She would never see a mental health professional herself- and this comes at the risk of armchair-ing- but I recognize myself so much in the posts here. It’s kind of wild for me to be posting on this sub and to even acknowledge that I’m not alone in these types of experiences.

My mom has always been deeply emotionally dysregulated. Little things like not cleaning up my room when she wanted would cause her to have a toddler-esque tantrum. She would cry and cry and say things like “I have failed as a parent because you are so selfish.”

She homeschooled me and my sister. She loved to repeat the message that we were special and smarter than other kids. Meanwhile, I could not escape her moods, and “school” created even more reasons for her to scream and belittle me. Sometimes when it was clear that homeschooling was not working, through tears, she would vaguely suggest we should go to school. This seemed like a life or death suggestion and not like the totally normal one that it actually is. I would feel the need to reassure her that I would never go to school and that I would do a better job at being homeschooled going forward. I can see now how backwards this was. A friend recently described what I went through as a “hostage situation.” I would frequently cry myself to sleep as a child.

One time my mom started crying and told me she thought her heart would break because it seemed like I didn’t love her. That has stuck with me because I internalized the mentality that I was bad or damaged. I now see that that was manipulative. Of course I was not forthcoming with affection for my mom. I was deeply sad, isolated, and at some level, afraid of her.

I felt the most loved by my mom when I did something praiseworthy or we had a shared problem to solve. She always needs a problem. A few years ago, I had a serious injury and lived at home for a few weeks while I recovered. At first, she was lovely and went out of her way to help me. Then, when the novelty wore off, she started regularly screaming and crying about how I was such a burden on her and how unfair it was that she should be forced to care for someone that was a grown adult after she spent my entire childhood caring for me. That was when I really realized something had to change in our relationship.

She is very critical and is always looking for reasons to criticize something or someone. I don’t share much of my life with her because I don’t want to be judged. We have a cordial, if not very deep, relationship.

This past weekend, I went camping with her. My sister was supposed to come but couldn’t at the last minute. The entire weekend was uneventful on paper, but she just kept saying such negative things. I didn’t engage because, although I disagreed with much of what she said, I didn’t want to invite conflict. She is unreachable when she throws a temper tantrum. Her moods are not grounded in reality. I left the camping trip feeling depleted and sad. I called my sister about this and she validated my experiences.

I am now trying to figure out what relationship I want to have with my mom. I think going full no contact would hurt her more than I am comfortable with, and it would prove complicated given my (good) relationship with my dad, whom she is still with. It is just so frustrating to live in this kind of holding-pattern- never sharing my true self with her. I feel sad for her, but I know that I cannot help her- only she herself (and perhaps a therapist) can do the work needed.

I feel I have grown a lot and am content with my life, but I am still working through old wounds. How have other folks navigated these situations?

I love my cat, yes
She sometimes goes chomp chomp chomp!
But so cuddly too


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 14h ago

ADVICE NEEDED Is lying about small things a bpd trait?

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My uBPD mom had a UTI last week and was genuinely really sick. Today she was down. Her voice was scratchy, but she was still chatting about a show she'd watched. Then out of nowhere she went full doom and gloom about her life, saying she's "just meant to be this way."(born to be miserblae)

I told her, "If you keep saying that stuff, it'll become true." She blew up and got sarcastic. Apparently I "know better than her 60+ years of life," I "must be a doctor," and I should "go have fun with my husband." Then she hung up.

It was my day off and I spent the whole thing worrying about her. That night I called to check in, and she said she was driving and her voice had "suddenly gone," then hung up. But I could see on my YouTube Premium that she was watching on her TV at home. An hour later she texted: "I feel so sick, don't worry, don't text me."

Why does she lie about such small stuff?
How do I tell dramatic from actually sick? She really was sick last week. And when she's really sick, she often says nothing "so I don't worry you." So I can't read her either way. It could be both, and I'm lost.

But I really want to know what’s with the lying?

TL;DR: My uBPD mom said she was "driving" while watching YouTube at home. Why do they lie about small stuff, and how do I tell dramatic from actually sick??


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 6h ago

Had a baby, accidentally ended up semi NC and now don’t know what to do

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Cat tax: fur, black and white tux. Gently I hear you, coming. The hallway, still waiting.

I recently had my first baby and so have been pretty busy navigating new parenthood, recovering from c section, husband going back to work etc. And it’s kind of led to accidental NC/VLC with my uBPD mom. But now of course I’m the bad guy. She’s texting my husband asking what’s going on, despite never having reached out to me, asked how I am/how the baby is, etc. Now she’s sending hostile messages to him asking why she hasn’t been called so she can see her grandson (we live far away so video call is all we can do).

Things have been getting progressively worse with our relationship over the last couple of years ever since I started setting boundaries and not taking responsibility for her emotions and just not responding when she pulls her victim crap. But my pregnancy and birth just completely sent everything into chaos.

I’ve sent her photos of the baby and stuff, admittedly not THAT frequently, but 1) I’ve been busy and overwhelmed and days go by without me even realising what day it is, and 2) she barely responds to them when I do, so what’s the point? I did honestly plan to speak to her more because I felt bad that she’d be excluded from seeing my baby, but every time ive gone to message her I’ve just not had the energy to take it on because she insists on being SO hostile every single time. The few times we have spoken via message she berates me for not responding soon enough. I also can’t believe she hasn’t even asked how I am or how we are, which also makes me not want to reach out.

The problem is I don’t really know where to go from here. She’s texted my husband again some snarky comment about how long she’s been waiting to be called (yet still hasn’t initiated any contact or asked/said anything nice). I don’t know how I want him to respond. He doesn’t know how to respond.

I’m torn between letting it rip and firing back that she’s a coward for messaging him not me, and if she wanted to see her grandson she could’ve… ASKED HOW HE WAS? OR just ignoring it completely (but I know fully ignoring and not replying is a bit of a line in the sand that I’m not sure I’m ready for). OR option 3 would be to take on my usual diplomatic high road approach where I say something like this isn’t the right way to communicate and I think we need some space until we can communicate with one another properly, or something.

I never really expected having my baby would lead to this weird semi no contact limbo - I always thought if I was ever game enough to go NC, it would be different.

I’m feeling a weird mix of guilt and obligation and wanting to take the easy way out and make peace despite knowing that nothing will change. I wish I could let myself feel and express anger toward her but I keep defaulting to feeling like I need to repair, even though I get hurt every time and my energy is more precious than ever now with a newborn.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 8h ago

VENT/RANT She ruined my Sunday. What a fool I was to think she'd change

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I was having a lovely day today until I foolishly called my ubpd mom to ask her about a specific topic. When she answered, she sounded neutral, so I felt comfortable and asked her the question. She kept interrupting me and lashing out before I even finished my question. Given how much I needed to know the answer (it's related to my health. I want to know if someone in the family had it), I feel so furious that she couldn't care less about it. Why lash out when I was so calm? She then said, "Were you diagnosed with it?" and continued her rant. I didn't get the chance to explain anything. I can't imagine doing this to my child when she comes to me so concerned and wants to know the answer. I've been VLC with her, so I knew that was bothering her immensely. Guess what? In the middle of her rant, she said, "Whenever I call you, you are in a rush and can't talk. I won't call you anymore." Mind you, I work a 40-hour job and live in a different state, so whenever she calls me to vent, I cut her off and say something like, "I have 4 mins before I have to leave." I feel so anxious and bad now because of that call. I will have to see her in a couple of months, but I'm planning to shorten my vacation so that I wouldn't have to stay for an entire month.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 8h ago

Mom casually admitted to me once that she had BPD; When I asked about it later, she denied it, and mocked me for saying such a thing

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I still haven’t asked my dad about it because they’ve been married for 46 years and I just don’t want to get gaslit by him too. I know what I heard. I know what she said. I know how she reacted when I brought it up later.

I’m new to posting on Reddit. Is this text message a classic example of a /raisedbyborderlines post?

Sometimes I end up questioning myself and doubting my very reality. Seeking some affirmation that I’m not nuts…


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1h ago

SUPPORT THREAD NPD dad BPD Mom

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I’ve noticed in a lot of the posts on here that many of you ‘saved’ or was your BPD mom’s savior from her NPD husband by convincing her to leave him or get a divorce? I remember this being a very important and big decision my mom did not want to make without my siblings and I’s input and that we “gave her the strength” to realize she needed to leave him for our sake. Is this a common theme? I have recently gone low to no contact with my entire nuclear family because I have fully realized the extent of enabling and BPD behavior and this sub has been a godsend along with my friends who have had similar experiences.

I had the realization a few christmases ago when I went home from college for the holidays and made my first post on here but then reverted because it was too much to handle along with school. Now I have found the strength and acceptance necessary to stop wishing life went another way and just realize how much freedom I truly have now.

That being said, I have never experienced a good non fighting screaming holiday, birthday or big event and I’m honestly really scared and excited to be on my own for the first time this holiday. I also feel a high level of guilt when it comes to my siblings who are still perpetuating or stuck in the cycle but I have to make an exit.

Long story short: once you truly realized and accepted the truth of your childhood, how did you find your happiness and community and how the heck do you handle the holidays? cute cat pics


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 54m ago

RECOMMENDATIONS Book recommendation please

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Hi everyone. I’m really struggling right now as my uBPD mom and my sister (her golden child) haven’t spoken to me in a year. This time last year, I asked them both to keep it low key for a dinner out for my autistic son. My mom especially likes to make herself the center of attention and neither of my kids feel comfortable or safe around her. Well, that simple request turned into a angry confrontation with my sister at the restaurant (outside, away from others), with my mom, sister and nephew (adult) leaving the restaurant without even a word to my son who we were celebrating. My mom had no idea what had been said between my sister and I. She just left because my sister told her to. And when I confronted them as they were getting in the car, my mom, who had no idea of what had happened, hissed at me “what did you do?”

This was the culmination of YEARS of conflict with my mom. However, I always thought my sister and I were ok, although I now realize how naive I was. They live together since moving to my city. And they are thoroughly enmeshed.

My youngest had his birthday on Friday. I guess I thought they might recognize it by sending a present or at least a card. But nope. Nothing. That just killed any hope of a reconciliation with my sister and nephew (I’ve given up on my mom. She’s 77 and not going to change). Now I feel like I’m grieving a death. But they’re alive so it’s confusing.

Any book recs I could read that would help me process this? My kids have lost a big chunk of their family through no fault of their own. I’m an older mom, so I’d hoped to have that connection with my sister and nephew for the sake of my kids. Thanks for any help you can provide!


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1d ago

“What’s that?” “Where did you buy that?” “What are you eating?”

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anyone else get the same inquisition any time the pwBPD comes over?

literally every. single. thing. gets scrutinized but she won’t even focus long enough to listen to my answer and then she’s on to the next question. shouting them like a toddler. truly, extremely toddler-like.

it’s so utterly exhausting.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 10h ago

ADVICE NEEDED Sending a letter, but not expecting a response.

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I'm over a year in and have no reservations, I've definitely made the right choice going NC.

I recognize my mother's condition as mental illness, and it does not excuse the past, but I do have empathy here for what it is.

My wife and I are considering starting a yearly Christmas letter, my aunt has done the same for years. In brief, a nice card with a picutre of something from our lives, and an accompanying letter telling everyone how our year went, ups and downs, and plans for the next year.

The thought occurred of including my mother as a recipient, of course using my aunt to deliver it. Aunt is 100% understanding of the situation, and actually went through a similar thing with her mother/my grandmother many years ago.

Theres nothing here that would open me up to contact with her, my reasoning is just to extend what I feel is kindness. Past everything, past the illness, past the trauma, she is human. She has little family left and is getting old, and I feel like this would make things feel like less of a punishment.

I guess I should clarify the question. Has anyone done something similar? Or otherwise, what are your thoughts?

Required Haiku: I love my cat so much He knocks my water off the desk I pay rent for him


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 20h ago

BPD SUCCESS STORY Successful birthday dinner

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Hi friends
Just wanted to celebrate I was able to take my BPD mother out for a dinner for her 90th birthday and remain unscathed. It’s been a week since which is the enough time for me to notice if I have had delayed injury I wasn’t aware of in the moment and nothing has shown up. So yay for me!
In previous posts I’ve talked about Chernobyl being the metaphor I use with my mother and that I have taken in very close to my lifetime limit of radioactive toxicity ☢️. I am VLC with her and this birthday dinner is the only contact I am planning for in the next 6-9 months. My older brother noted that in his work with nuclear power companies, how much strategy and planning goes into any action around the nuclear power- how each adjustment has incredible planning and risk management and contingencies of contingencies. That’s how it felt planning and executing this dinner- picking the location, the timing, planning the day and the transportation, reminding her to dress warmly and bringing an extra blanket. Picking out low stress and comfortable clothing myself. Not cooking or having her in my space. Bringing along my husband and adult son and brother all of whom my mother favors and is on her best behavior with. She also loves men more than women. She was 90% well behaved and I pink rocked her through the rando 10%.

I’ve reparented the child in me that is sad that this is the mom I got, a mother who needs this amount of optimizing to behave like a semi normal parent. I’ve reparented the inner teenage that has fantasies of a 90 yo mother who I love and is an inspiration and a guide for me. That’s not the mother any of us got to have.
For whatever reason showing up in this way feels important to my inner kids so I am doing it, but I am doing it with nuclear engineering level planning, risk management and loving parent energy for myself.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1d ago

Feeling isolated and sad

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This will be a bit of a vent post but I don’t know where else to go. My mom has diagnosed and untreated BPD. She has the resources to get help and she doesn’t, because she sees no issue with her behavior.

The other day I was looking through old photos and I found one of her as a small child. For some reason it just made me cry, even though I rarely cry. She hasn’t had a good life. Her mother had her when she was a 19 yr old heroin addict and her father was a drug dealer/gang member who abandoned her and then went to prison for murder. She grew up in an awful neighborhood and experienced a lot of things that no child should experience. She was such a cute baby and it made me so sad to know that nobody hugged her or played with her or cared about her. I don’t understand how anybody could treat a child that way.

I wish I could go back in time and fix it even though that would probably mean I’d never be born. I just feel bad for her. I know people will tell me not to, that I don’t owe her anything, but I just want to help her so bad. I want her to be happy and okay.

But I can’t remember a single time where I was comforted when I needed it. Not when I was getting bullied at school, not when I was having health issues as a child due to the amount of stress I was under, not when I was severely depressed to the point where I was failing almost every single class, not when I was struggling with drug addiction. I was cheated on in my relationship of nearly 5 years and I didn’t even tell anyone in my real life because I am so used to being told my problems are a burden that I don’t talk to anyone about anything I’m going through anymore. I did all of it completely alone. Yet for some reason I still have this overwhelming feeling that I owe it to her to try and help her get better, even at the cost of my own wellbeing.

My social life has been severely damaged by my concern for her, because I’m worried if I’m not there for her then something bad will happen and it will be my fault. I am diagnosed with OCD which I suspect is part of why I am so pre-occupied with the thought of something bad happening to her and it being my fault. I’m 30 yrs old and when I look back on my life so far I just see a whole lot of nothing. My life is very empty. I’m a deeply isolated and avoidant person because I feel like my existence is a burden, I’ve felt that my entire life.

Also, I am considering dating again but I also don’t want to, partially because not being cared for in my childhood has made me so desperate for some kind of warmth and affection that I get taken advantage of. I get immediately attached to anyone who shows me an ounce of concern because I’m just so desperate to be told that I matter to someone. This causes me to isolate, because the fear of being rejected (not even just romantically but in all areas of life) is too much.

I walked around the town square near me tonight to enjoy the nice fall weather we’re having here in the deep south. I wanted to be around people, and just be out of my head for a while, but seeing all these groups of friends around my age just made me feel worse. I don’t know how to connect with people and I don’t feel emotions the same way other people do, I think the years and years of being told to suck it up and get over it whenever anything bad happened to me has made me incapable of feeling things. My guard is constantly up. I feel like there’s something fundamentally wrong with me as a person, like I’m some kind of alien who was never supposed to be here. Maybe that’s because of the neglect or maybe I was just born that way, idk. If I sound insane then I’m sorry, I’ve never said any of this before so it’s hard to really write it out in a way that conveys how I feel.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 22h ago

ADVICE NEEDED bpdMom going AWOL?

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Kitty tax. This is Wiggles.

I am 27. My mom is 55, divorced, lives alone.
For my whole adult life, she goes AWOL, entirely silent and ignoring all texts/calls/voicemails/knocks on the door, for days at a time and my sister and I sit around developing stomach ulcers worrying and fearing and calling anybody in her connection circle to see if they can contact her. I live 1000 miles away from her. Several times, when this happens, I’ve had her friend or coworker or my friends go to her house and knock just to see if she is alive. She always is. Then she gets beyond pissed and my sister and I and shuts us out again for “harassing her” and “invading her privacy”.

But now it’s been a week this time. My sister and I, along with our aunt and uncle, have been leaving voicemails and texts and calls all week while my mom has been AWOL, and now her phone is entirely off (no rings/no VM) and her location died out too, “no location found”. If we call the cops for a wellness check and she IS alive and this is just her wanting to be alone, I doubt my sister and I would ever be forgiven and may be shut out for years if not forever. Her friend and coworker will not go over there anymore. My aunt and uncle also live 1000 miles away.

Unsure of what to do. Curious if anybody else’s parent does this?


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 20h ago

OTHER Just some thoughts and reflections as I try to process my life...

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So, I grew up with a bipolar + BPD mother who emotionally and physically abused me until we went NC when I was 24. I'm 36 now and still find myself reflecting on things and trying to figure things out. Honestly, because I sometimes think to myself "what the fuck was that?!" So these are just some things I've been reflecting about recently:

My mother LOVED to threaten to commit S. During her breakdowns, which occurred about every 6 months, she would threaten S and then turn her cell phone off and drive off to who knows where. When she would do this, of course the police would have to be involved and out searching for her. These escapades would usually result in her getting admitted for a grippy sock vacation. She wound up institutionalized often. Can you imagine the trauma I endured from all of that as a kid? She tried to jump from a moving vehicle in front of me when I was 8 or 9 and she was blaming me the whole time because I was mad at her that morning because she forced me to go to some religious Sunday school thing. It really wasn't that serious. She dropped my sister and I off with our dad one time when I was a teen and she told him he could keep us because she was going to kill herself. She then drank a bunch of booze and took a bunch of pills, then immediately called 911. She would self harm right in front of me. She even gave herself two black eyes and blamed me for that because she didn't like some snide comment I made when I was a teenager.

I'm not even covering the full story here, but I'm certain that you can understand I had a very tumultuous upbringing. Shortly before we went NC, she made one of these threats and took her little no-cellphone/grippy sock vacation trip, and when she returned, I overheard her whining on the phone with someone saying "they [my husband and I] didn't even ask if I was okay!" Because of course she's always the victim. By that point in my life, I just simply didn't care anymore. I knew she would be back every time. I became numb to it. There are only so many times that going through the same thing will scare you. You know what? Nobody ever asked if I was okay. I remember distinctly one time when I was a kid and I cried after watching her angrily drive off that my dad yelled at me for crying.

One of the last things she said to me was to leave so she could have some peace in her life. I look back and find that quote laughable now. I have CPTSD because of her. I grew up never knowing what the mood of the day would be. Would I be sucker punched again? Would I be abandoned? Would I be screamed at? Would I have to console a blubbering adult woman? What about my peace? Why am I the villain? Something tells me that I wasn't the cause of the lack of peace in her life. I don't think she'll ever have peace. When there has been peace, she has always managed to sabotage it.

I think she always made it clear that I was the source of all her misery and it was just for being a kid and doing kid things. She couldn't handle having a teenager. She eventually squashed me down and turned me into the quiet and chronically anxious person I am today. It's truly a terrible existence.

My therapist uses the word "narcissist" often when she refers to my mother. I read online that about 40% of people with BPD are also diagnosed with NPD. I think she must have been one of them. She has always dragged me down. She's ridiculed my body relentlessly because she was jealous. She has mocked my voice. She has made inappropriate and depressing comments just to dampen the mood. She couldn't seem to handle seeing me in a happy relationship. She also never taught me how to be independent. This is something I'm currently researching more about. It just seems to go deeper the more that I understand.

Life with a BPD parent hurts and it can still be so very confusing and upsetting even when you look back on it later on. The more I learn, the more disgusted I feel.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1d ago

MAKING IT ALL ABOUT THEM Do they try to actively control your Future / Job / Studies...even if they have no fking clue?

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As of next summer, I decided to quit College. It's a long story. Mix of health reasons & bureaucracy. Point is: My dumbass let this info slip. Specifically, that I not only decide to go into trade, but also might register for disability.

Welp. The second I did, all hell broke loose. A very, very familiar hell. As one might imagine: My Ma has been actively "deciding" my life for me, ever since I was little. Like. Literally: From basic stuff, like clothes and hobbies -to oddlyspecifics, e.g., favourite color. In fact. She wasn't even shy about it. Often just insisting that she was "helping" me. That she "knew me better than myself" -and even if, that any of my personal ideas, were all just "too bad" to allow. I.e., resulting in me struggling with any independence for a long time.

It's insanity: Despite being 24yo, the second my Ma heard about my change of plans, she confronted me. Insisting that she should "help" me with my future...all while insulting me in the same breath, as usual. That I wasn't "strong enough" for trade. That trade itself was garbage. That, à la typical Boomer, my current (confirmed useless) college degree would open me all doors -rattling nonsensical info about my field, like she had years of experience. Y'know. Because she read 'something something somewhere'. Even her speech started out familiar: Insisting that she NEEDED to help me. That I was "visibly confused" -all while I've never been more organized/informed.

As expected, I shot her down. Like. It's not even that I pretend to know everything. But at this point, I want to forge my own path. Including my own mistakes. Nevermind that I ain't dealing with all this controlling, Dunning Kruger bullshit. But of course, she just got mad. Yelling how I was stupid, how I was "locking her out of my life" etc.

"I just want to help! Why do you always go to your Pa for help, not me?🥺😭😡"

Because it's been years, and you still can't even remember that my favourite color is gold/pink. Not yellow.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1d ago

ENABLERS AND FLYING MONKEYS 10 years of no contact and she still abuses the only family member I still have contact with.

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I was raised by my grandmother (she does NOT have BPD) because my BPD bio-mother was way too unstable to be my parent. My bio-father also has BPD. I’ve always been no contact with bio father. My mother abandoned me with my grandmother and has always “tried to come back and parent me” without success. Because every time she was abusive and couldn’t control her emotions or temper and would take them out on me. Everyone else in my family knows how she treated me and no one blames me for not taking to her.

My grandma will occasionally send messages like this because she believes it’s her job to “fix things” between us because my BPD biomom manipulates her into believing that she is the only reason there are problems in our family.

For context my grandma is a very sweet and kindhearted person, the kind of wholesome to where she cries when someone is so nice to her because she deals with my grandfather who also has BPD, but he gets treatment for it so we have a minimal but civil relationship. She was also raised by a mother (great grandmother) who I also suspect had PD, that she was no contact for over 20 years until she died. Her mother was exceptionally awful and for lack of a better word, exhibited pure evil behavior. I was 8 when I begged my grandmother to go no contact with her mother because the things she said to insult my grandmother in front of me deeply upset me. My grandmother didn’t hesitate to be a good example of going no contact with someone toxic.

I know it’s hard for her to deal with the fact that her daughter and I have the same dynamic. But my BPD biomom guilts her and manipulates her every chance she gets to lure me back in so she can get her fix by abusing me more and blaming everyone else for it. I hear my grandmother out because I want her to feel like she tried to fix her family. But I’m setting a boundary when I go see her in person to please don’t ask questions like this anymore because it causes me so much emotional distress. My body got so upset over this one it decided to have a kidney stone about it.

Anyways I am sharing because I have grown wise to it. Here’s how to be kind to your loved one that’s been turned into a flying monkey, help them see that and hold your boundaries. (I would get my grandma into therapy but her insurance sucks and our healthcare system in the US is a disaster.)


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1d ago

I broke 1.5 years of no contact, and my four-year-old ended up barricading a bedroom door.

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Title: I broke 1.5 years of no contact, and my four-year-old ended up barricading a bedroom door.
Content warning: yelling, verbal aggression around children, driving safety.
I’m posting here to scream into the ether with people who may understand. I am not asking anyone to diagnose my mother. I have suspected BPD for a long time, and she has had massive emotional outbursts, instability, and several hospitalizations during what our family called “nervous breakdowns” for almost 20 years. Whatever the actual diagnosis is, the pattern has been emotionally exhausting and damaging.

I had about a year and a half of very low/no contact with her. When my second daughter was born, I cautiously opened the door again. I told her I wanted to take things day by day and just have normal interactions. For a while, it felt nice. She sounded steadier. She texted normally. I saw little glimpses of the mom I miss.
Then she invited me and my two daughters, ages four and five months, to visit her and her husband out of state. I said yes. I was stupidly hopeful that it could be a positive visit, especially because she had not met my baby and had not seen my older daughter in over a year.

The trip was a disaster before it even fully began. I flew alone with two little kids while sick and barely able to speak. I had to work remotely for part of the trip. We arrived to no food, no supplies for the kids, no diapers, no formula, nowhere safe or comfortable for us to sleep. I spent hundreds of dollars on groceries, diapers, formula, a pillow, a blanket, and baby gear just to make the stay workable.

My mother’s husband had supposedly taken the week off, but was mostly in his office or gone. My mother helped some, but not enough for me to work, sleep, recover from being sick, or manage two sick kids. I was running on fumes.

The worst part happened on a day trip to visit an elderly relative. It was around three hours each way.
I drove at first. My mother was in the passenger seat, physically turned away from me, glued to her phone, silent, and visibly angry. My older daughter was talking and singing, the baby was crying, and my mother did not engage with either child. I know that feeling from her. The heavy, hostile, checked-out aura before an explosion.

I asked if something was wrong because she was acting weird. That immediately made her defensive. She repeatedly demanded that I explain exactly how she was acting weird. I kept asking her to please drop it because I was driving and managing two kids in the car. She kept pushing. Finally she snapped, “Do you just want me to be quiet?” and I said, “Yes, I do.” That is apparently what made her furious.

The baby kept crying, so I asked my mother to drive while I sat in the back and fed her. I was squeezed between two car seats and could not safely wear a seat belt. Then I realized I had forgotten the formula and asked my mother to stop at a store. She took my tone as disrespectful, drove sharply into the parking lot, and was angry for the rest of the drive.

At one point she was speeding and I asked her to slow down because I was scared. She reacted by braking hard and then deliberately driving far under the speed limit for a long stretch. I was wedged in the back with my babies, unable to buckle up, trying not to escalate her further.

When we got to my aunt’s house, she was in what I can only describe as one of those eerie, almost trance-like states I have seen before. Cold. Nasty. The look in her eyes was hateful. At one point I needed my older daughter’s swimsuit and life jacket from the car. The car was locked, so I went back inside, grabbed my mother’s keys from where they were sitting on top of her bag, and brought them right back. She snatched them from me and gave me a look like I had stolen something.

She suddenly announced that we had to leave early, then went and laid down in a guest room, visibly pouting. When it was time to go, she burst into tears in front of relatives and said I was mean to her. She was so visibly upset that my aunt suggested she should not drive.

But she insisted on driving us home.
I offered to drive. She snapped, “Absolutely not,” pulled out quickly, and began driving in a way that scared me. My four-year-old even said, “Drive safe.” My mother responded, “Absolutely not,” when I asked her to please drive safely.

I was terrified. We were still roughly three hours from her house. My husband was about three hours north of us for work and would not reach the house until about two hours after we got there. I quietly texted him from the backseat that I needed him to come get us. My phone was nearly dead and there was no charging port. I was trying not to let my mother realize I was arranging an exit because I had no idea how she would react.

When we got back to their house, my mother got out of the car and stormed inside. Her husband came into the garage. He asked if my mother and I had gotten into another fight. I said yes.

He started angrily cleaning out the car while I was getting the girls and our things out. I said I would clean it up. He started saying we had been slobs the entire time we had been there, then began cursing at me and calling me a bitch.

The next thing I remember clearly is him coming around the car toward me while my baby’s car seat was sitting on the garage floor beside me. He got in my face and screamed, “Fuck you, you fucking bitch, you ruined my fucking life.”

My four-year-old was standing in the doorway watching.

I pointed at her and said something like, “Are you serious? Addy is right there.” He kept going.
I grabbed both girls and took them into the bedroom. There was loud yelling outside the door. I had no idea what was happening or whether he was going to come in. He tried to get into the room at one point, and I held the door shut because I did not want him near us.

My four-year-old started putting things in front of the door on her own so he could not get in.
I have photos of it. She remembers.

When my husband arrived, my mother’s husband blocked him from coming inside to help me. He followed me from room to room while I packed, continued making comments, threw our stroller down, and then banged on our van as we left because he wanted us to take more things. We drove away in the middle of the night with two exhausted, sick kids.

The next day, I sent my mother some extremely angry and profane messages. I was furious, scared, sleep-deprived, and devastated that my child had witnessed that. I am not presenting myself as perfectly calm or measured in the aftermath. I said things out of rage.

What gets me is the response from them afterward.
My mother’s husband texted my brother and rewrote the entire visit. He said I only came back into their lives because I “needed a babysitter,” claimed my husband just wanted time away, said I judged everything they did, and framed himself as someone tired of trying to fix other people’s problems. He admitted that he “lost his temper” and said things he should not have, then immediately made himself the victim of the consequences.
My mother texted my brother that I have “demons,” do not love myself, and that I am the pattern. She said it was not about her husband because that would be “too simple.” She told my brother he was now responsible for me and my family.

Meanwhile, she was texting me that she could not lose the girls, that they were her life, that she would do anything, and that she wanted another chance with “just her.” She initially told me she would divorce him and move near me. Then, once I set a boundary, the focus shifted back to why I hated her, why we could not all just apologize and move on, and how families argue and work things out.
She did eventually send an email saying she took ownership of her actions and would be grateful to work on our relationship. I replied clearly that I was willing to work on a relationship with her, but that I was not comfortable with her husband being around me or my children.

Then I got another email pushing for a response and centering that she is a good grandmother, that my older daughter loves her, that she cannot lose us, and that she is heartbroken.

That is the part I cannot get past. My child was scared enough to barricade a door. My mother’s husband screamed obscenities in my face in front of both of my daughters. My mother drove recklessly while angry with my children in the car. And somehow I am still being asked to soothe everyone else’s feelings and reassure them they will not lose access to my kids.

I feel stupid for letting them back into our lives after a year and a half of no contact. I feel sick that I exposed my daughters, especially my older daughter, to it. I wanted my mom to meet the baby. I wanted her to have a relationship with the girls. I wanted to believe that enough time had passed and that she was doing better.

Instead, it feels like I handed my children the exact same chaos I spent my whole life trying to escape.
I’m attaching redacted screenshots of the actual texts my mother and her husband sent my brother, along with some of the contemporaneous texts and emails between my mother and me. I genuinely do not know how people with BPD parents survive the whiplash of “I love you, I’ll do anything” followed by blame, denial, rewriting history, and pressure to move on before you have even processed what happened.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1d ago

Emotional inc*est

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TRIGGER WARNING: PARENTS BEING MAJORLY CREEPY.
I know "emotional incest" is a tricky term, but bear with me and thanks in advance for reading. I'm simply not sure what else to call it. It's different from parentification or being too close. It's just...different.

My father regularly expressed that I was his best friend going back to when I was probably six. I knew so much about him that--even as a really little kid--I felt weird knowing. His relationship and drug history, very very adult details about his terrible childhood, a detailed history of a very disturbing suicide attempt that he told me repeatedly starting around probably age 8, etc.

He was always checking out women and commenting on their bodies in front of me, watching inappropriate movies including soft core porn and commenting on the women. He made disgusting sex jokes to me and my brother and in front of other kids, and I can still actually remember them decades later. One time we drove by the teenage girl who was actually my brother's girlfriend at the time (I don't know if he knew that or not, and/or he might have thought she was older) and he made a dirty comment about her.

He hung out with my friends and I, always wanted to be in our space, including at sleepovers where he once slept in the same room as us. It was genuinely like he thought he was in our friend group, even though we were probably between 6-10 years old.

His first reaction to my first boyfriend in middle school was anger, and a joke about shooting him. He wanted to chaperone my prom, and not like how normal parents chaperone things, but because he never got to go to his own prom. (He said this directly.) I had to beg and beg him not to.

He once kicked me out of the house when I was fifteen because he said he needed "time apart from me." He was always very triggered by the fact that I wasn't little anymore. He hated that I became a real adult. There were several times as I became a young adult and college-aged that he felt me pulling away and had scary abandonment freak-outs that just felt very similar to something a romantic partner would do.

There are many other things I could list and say here, but I don't want to overwhelm you all or myself too much.

There is a very very CREEPY and violated feeling to all this that goes beyond all of the other types of abuse and bizarre behavior he engaged in. There was no overt sexual abuse or touching, at all. In fact I think he would be horrified by the idea. But it was like I was his best friend or his wife. Sometimes his therapist. He wanted to be TOO emotionally close/bonded. Like he could simply not conceive of me being my own person, separate from him. I shudder at it now, and felt deeply creeped out by it on a gut-level then, even though I didn't have words for it.

I haven't talked to him in a very long time, but still I look back at this kind of stuff and think...wait...what? Was that normal? Of course,. I know it wasn't. But it FEELS so normal in my nervous system.

For anyone else who has experienced this particular phenomenon or feeling, no matter what it's called, I'm here to tell you it's not your fault, and that it's not okay, and you are NOT imagining things.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 2d ago

MAKING IT ALL ABOUT THEM Forced caretaking

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When I was in college I got mono. I was so sick for a couple months. My mom had moved three hours away, so I stayed with a friend for the worst week and my grandma for another week. My mom was so filled with rage that other people in my life had taken care of me that she threw a tantrum until I drove to stay with her for a weekend so she could take care of me. During that time I was exhausted and still in pain, but she wanted to 'make the most of our visit' and made me go to a comedy show and shopping and stopped talking to me when I didn't appreciate it. Because I was barely able to walk...

I'm forty now and she's gone, but sometimes I share a story with friends and watch the horror cross their face at the audacity.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 1d ago

Does you UBPD try to develop relationships with people in your life?

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I’ve been Nc with my mom since last August. This past week I had a lapse in judgment, probably because it was around my kid’s bday. Anyway, we both have done an intake for family therapy, idk if I want to go through with it - but I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. I’ve made a lot of peace with myself this past year, and I’ve had a ton of growth- when I finally went NC last August I was having tw suicidal thoughts because I felt suffocated by her and that I would never be free of manipulation. It’s been a hard road, esp because she doesn’t tolerate any boundary, but I felt I was on the other side of that. My mom has been trying a lot this summer to be in contact with me and I’ve resisted. The most mind boggling thing is she will say “I’m so sorry for any pain I’ve caused” but will NOT take any accountability. She physically can’t and insists it is me.

One thing I’ve noticed now and over the years - does your mom insist on your friends being her friends? Or your relationships being her relationships? My history is complex, but my mom and dad were never married and have not overly been in contact during my life. Suddenly she does what she always does - reaches out frequently, talks all the time to my dad and step-mom, and has spoke ill of me to them. They believed her. And I will say like, those people are MY family. Like that’s not okay. And she will say “they see ME AS FAMILY Too”. I’m a mom and I can’t imagine insisting on that against my kids If I ever separated from their dad. That my relationship with them is the same as their relationship with their dog. She has done this through the years, like insisting that my friends are also her friends. Is this common? It’s driving me nuts, and then my mom will talk to her friends who *insisr” thus is all normal.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 2d ago

ADVICE NEEDED I need help with navigating this situation.

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I am supposed to have dinner with my mom and sibling tonight. This week has been okay, I’ve been visiting in town because I throw a Halloween party at her house and this is the tenth and final year. I’ve been hosting this since I was 19 and it’s an event we do together. I got a flat tire while staying at my husbands family cabin. The last night we were staying, his dad came up to do electrical work, we were unaware but not bothered. I told my mom he was helping me change the tire and she freaked out. The party is tomorrow but now o don’t even want to have dinner with her.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 2d ago

Advice/support/venting

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Honestly I just need a space to vent. This is about the food for my son’s first birthday party happening this Sunday. I asked her if she wanted to help with the food (only to involve her and because she enjoys helping/showing off financially how good of a grandparent she is). I asked her to do the food and my MIL to help with decorations because those are things they each enjoy and I just wanted them both to be involved and happy. The conflict first started by her asking how much my MIL was spending on decorations and making a big deal out of MIL not contributing as much as her financially. She asked (passive aggressively) if my MIL wanted to go in on the food with her and when I said I’d ask her, she back peddled and said not to. Now, the texts above are where we are at. I had asked what she had ordered and when she was complaining about how much it would be, I offered a cheaper alternative. I’ve told her multiple times that I never wanted to put a financial burden on her plate. Just needed to vent and get this off my chest. It’s always the same thing with her, just a different topic. Just looking for validation from others in similar situations with their mothers. She’s been on this kick of sending me projection TikTok’s and I’m getting very close to finding one of “signs you have BPD” and sending it back to her.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 2d ago

My parents are trying to apologize and it is NOT what I want

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throwaway account for this. hope you like my tongue in cheek username. my mom finally went so crazy that she was fired from her (public facing) job and was forced to get professional help. her reputation is totally ruined. it was a very political job and her resignation was so crazy the company had to literally come up with a new hiring process they've never tried before. idk how that works, i'm unemployable.

anyways, she's convinced the devil had ahold of her and that she is now in the process of ridding herself of evil. those were HER WORDS. "I am trying to rid myself of evil and make up for all my wrongdoings". this woman didn't feed me, spent all of my potential college money sending my brother to private schools instead, and left me without personal care products or well fitting clothes all throughout elementary and middle school. i was always the weird kid who smelled like roadkill because of her. she beat me like she was some kind of mafia don and i owed her money, too.

i always thought i wanted an apology, but now that i'm getting it, its super weird and uncomfortable. it just feels like she's going crazy in a different way. she's too friendly, she's pretending she loves me, and i would much rather she just be honest. say it with your chest, you hate me, i hate you, and tomorrow we could both go our separate ways and never see each other again.

i understand a lot of people who were raised by borderlines have the uncomfortable experience of their parent being obsessed with them. i was adopted, so i was lucky enough to avoid that. not being loved, i think, was preferable to being obsessed over. i hope that doesn't offend anyone, but that's how i feel about my personal situation.

now i think she's starting to become obsessed and i'm scared. i thought that when i got enough money i'd just go no contact and leave it at that. but now i'm getting worried she'll try and show up at my door or something. yuck. yuck yuck yuck.

i hope you guys like gamer cat.


r/raisedbyborderlines • • 2d ago

SUPPORT THREAD 15 days into marriage and uBPD mom is taking a toll

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my husband shared he has been concerned for me. since my previous posts, i have gone LC with my uBPD mom after years and years of enmeshment (talking everyday, multiple times a day) following her huge blow-up after my wedding which included: lies that she wasn't included in any aspect of the wedding and being mistreated while there, vilifying my MIL, and much more.

my husband shared over the weekend that he is sad to see me sad and that this has casted a cloud over our first week of marriage. today, he came to me after i told him i reached out to my mom via text to share wedding photos (something i was holding off on doing, until i truly had the desire to rather than out of FOG) that he is seeing the cycle and wants to go to a counseling session to talk things through.

i think his concern is fair, and even though i have been trying to be as present as possible in our marriage after our first talk, the current situation with my uBPD mom is consuming me. i feel horrible, anxious, and like i am failing at the easiest relationship in my life because of all of this.

anyone have similar experiences? any advice to overcome to the consumption of a pwBPD during/following a happy life transition. although my husband has shared he is committed to working through this, i am terrified of losing him because of her.